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>>570365

Never converted. I'm a cradle Christian.

>>570367

Very descriptive

>>570365

>birth-15: raised catholic

>15-19: edgy nihilist agnostic leftist

>20: found faith hard and its never left me. Spurred initially by reading philosophy and accepting the objectivity of the world, which, I figured, implied a moral law as real as the law of gravity, Jesus grabbed me and hasn't let me go yet. 100% convinced in the Judgment of the World and the glory of the Saints.

>20-27: born again, almost Mormon esotericist (read alot of Christopher Nemelka, James Strang, pre-Young LDS literature)

>27-now: went to confession, attend Latin mass at least once a week, and trying my hardest to live a holy life

wbu brother?

>>570401

I was raised in a non-religious household, but had a Fundamentalist Baptist friend that took me to his church. I got baptized at 13. After more searching, I found Lutheranism to be more suitable for me. Then at 19 I got confirmed into LCMS.

>>570365

I just sorta drifted away. Then a random thread on /tech/ had a random reference to /christian/ which kinda woke me up through harsh truth.

Some may deride this place for being too harsh but it's exactly what it took to bring me back to Christianity.

I started actually reading the Bible, a non corrupt one, some day I just started beleiving what was said in it. It's in accordance with 2 corinthians 4:13 technically.

>>570401

>almost Mormon esotericist (read alot of Christopher Nemelka, James Strang, pre-Young LDS literature)

Details?

Pol made me bery angry with the world and I started smoking a lot of weed and then I found Steph Molyneux and finally I have come to christ for happiness because nothing else works.

>>570365

My journey to find God included some pretty f'd up stuff … but here's the basic rundown:

https://8ch.net/christian/res/568632.html#570133

Born Lutheran to teenage edgy atheist to agnostic to spiritual bandaids to cultural Christian to Christian. I kicked and screamed the whole way but the seed had been there since the beginning.

>>570485

Funfact: The seed is there for every single human from the beginning.

>>570427

The OT prophets were a big turning point for me. I credit Isaiah especially with convincing me of the reality of prophecy and the possibility of direct communication of God's plan. So I decided to give the Book of Mormon a try and felt a strong affinity for the reactionary gospel being preached in it (I was basically Born Again that the time). But I struggled with the Deseret Church (Young was fallen and was not following any of Joseph Smith's theology/moral teachings), so I read more into the power struggle after Joseph Smith's death and found out about the various competing prophets since 19th cent that have claimed to be the true prophets of the church. I began to read their writings as well as the writings of those around Joseph Smith at the time and formed my own very loose creed:

>we are made in the image of God, so the Father and Holy Spirit are literal humans (non-trinitarian)

>all churches are corrupt, including LDS churches, there is no accurate deposit of doctrine on Earth

>but Christ appeared after His resurrection to cultures around the world, so there is some truth in all religions (ecumenism, though in the sense that all religions actually mean to follow Christ but are corrupted)

>sexual puritanism is a Pauline creation, and pretty much every sin is justified by our fallen natures lack of circumspection

>an actual, physical Hell doesn't exist,everyone is saved, though in varying degrees. Those most deserving are gifted with keeping their sex organs in the resurrection and are allowed to marry and reproduce (billions and billions of spirid children XDDD), everyone else is a eunuch but are served by latter and given everything they want to be happy.

That was basically what I believed. I'm more than happy to go into more detail. Its pretty basic Mormonism, just with a little twist i guess.

I don't think you are interested but I actually had a descending process and now i am a very bad person ON PURPOSE.

>0-18 raised atheist in a communist shithole

>18-36 agnostic atheist, reading esoteric books

>36

>/pol/

>Global warming is ridiculous, lets use their argumentation style to prove six day creation is also true.

>YouTube binge

>Bible

>Genesis actually makes more sense than climate change computer models.

>Christian

Oops, converted by accident.

>>570365

>raised nondenominational

>embrace nihilism and atheism as a teen cuz FUCK YOU MOM AND DAD

>grow up and live a little, realize that nihilism is a horrible way to live your life

>try to find purpose in self again

>dabble in esoteric stuff (hermeticism, new age)

>hang with a group of pagans going through similar struggles, consider heathenism cuz muh viking heritage and muh europa

>read more about the philosophies of the early church, realize they were probably onto something

>start the path to begoming gatholig :DDD

>finally had a breakthrough during a traditional mass during the Feast of the Immaculate Conception

>open myself up to God and to the Blessed Virgin, genuinely feel comforted and loved in a way that I haven't felt since I was a child

>intrusive thoughts leave me in the sanctuary

>stayed a little longer than everyone else because the sense of peace I felt was unlike anything I've experienced

>ave maria has been popping into my head more and more when my thoughts are idle rather than immoral fantasies

it's wonderful

I was floating through life in many ways, but in some ways I'm completely uncompromising. When I decided I had fix my premises and put a ground point zero for everything I believe in, God and faith became a necessity.

In the irrational realm, I'm a big fan of architecture and Catholic churches are my favorite places. I spent a lot of time ruminating over God and theology in them or while thinking about them. Mix of history, Aquinas and beauty left in Catholic church's wake showed me the way.

Baptized as a baby.

>>570365

Raised Lutheran Christian, was active in church youth group, but began to drift away when I realized a lot of my friends in it did not live with more righteousness than a lot of my secular friends. Started dated a girl who was agnostic, fornicated a lot. Broke up, started dating another who was a cultural Christian, fornicated a lot. Started smoking weed. Left for college, stopped going to church, friends with Godless people. Girlfriend broke up with me, got depressed and nihilistic and went a little too far down the /pol/ rabbithole. Fornicated with one night stands on two separate occasions, regretted it both times. This spring I met a girl at my college who was Christian and started going to youth group more. Grew more convinced of sexual morality. Stopped smoking, binge drinking. Found a new, more conservative Lutheran church and go weekly now to service and evening Vespers. Reading the Bible 5x a week, along with CS Lewis and Tim Keller. Praying 2-4x day. Realizing life is bleak without the love of Our Father, his commandments aren't to restrict us but to save us from our base desires.

>birth-15: raised episcopalian, nominally, went to Church every two months during summer vacation, otherwise didn't go at home

>16-19: left the church for Non-denom christianity, went only because I was forced to due to my schools.

>18-21: lived a degenerate lifestyle, left the church, went to college and hung around misfits, metalheads and pagans

>22: had a re-realization of death and needed something to put my soul at ease. Began searching.

>told myself not going back to Protestantism, because of lack of structure and clear answers and the business-like formality it required of me

>only two churches: Catholic and Orthodox

>Random voice tells me: Go East

>Look at both Orthodox Churches in town, realized this was home

>began catechesis, took me 9 months

>am chrismated Orthodox

>>571230

>read Evola

What's Evloa's stance on Christianity? I haven't read up on him.

>>571430

How I understand him, he's nominally a Catholic because he believes in one divine God and strict, rational, but mysterious hierarchy. However, his beliefs are in many ways probably heretical.

>>571430

full of larping and pagan BS

>be raised in a secular home

>become le edgy liberal atheist degenerate as a teen

>smoke le dude w33d lmao #blazeitfagit

>one day smoking

>have a panic attack and existential crisis

>become fearful of the notion of death

>read about near death experiences as a result, just to calm my mind

>the notion of a "lights out" death into true nothingness terrified me, i needed to know if there were an after life

>i realised with perfect clarity that there is no point to life it ends in absolute nothingness for everything and everyone anyway

>reading about near death experiences

>people reporting NDEs mention seeing God and Jesus a lot

>pfft whatever, just Christians being Christians and pushing their religion

>they keep mentioning Jesus, and are sure that He exists

>pfft, nope, I'm not that easily fooled, this is just dumb Christian propaganda

>I wanted to keep living the way I did, I wasn't interested in becoming religious

>after a while

>I realise that it's stupid to believe in afterlife without a god existing

>i therefore become deist

>As said, I wasn't interested in becoming "religious" or joining a religion, and my apathy for religion turned to annoyance and anger

>become distasteful as religion as a whole

>I decide to become """""""spiritual without being religious"""""""

>become a taoist

>still angry about the Christian spreading their propaganda in the NDE stories

>decide to read up about Christianity so that I can disprove it

>read into the works of Bart Ehrman and other anti-Christian writers, just to appease my mind from existential dread and uncertainty

>see all the "evidence" against Christianity

>CHRISTIANS UTTERLY BTFO

>decide to read into Christian responses to these claims, just so that I could refute them too and hear how stupid they are

>enter the world of apologetics

>williamlanecraigsmugface.png

>Everything Ehrman et al had said had turned out to be dishonest bunk, and the Christians could essentially "prove" it

>enter another existential crisis

>Welp, looks like I'll have to be unbiased here, I must stop my biases and see where the evidence takes me

>things get flipturned upside-down

>I now wanted to see just how far the Christian argument went - how much they could "prove" of their religion, out of curiosity

>Christianity has a case too strong for it to simply ignore

>I have no choice but to accept what has been shown to me

>Christianity may be incredible, but it would be even more incredible if it were false, if we honestly and unbiasedly(?) follow the historical records

>I have no choice but to accept Christianity as truth - the evidence is simply overwhelming

>I now use my knowledge of apologetics and Christian history and textual criticism to evangelise on 4/pol/

I tried to BTFO God, but as it turned out, it was God who BTFO me. I couldn't defeat God, so I had no choice but to join Him. It was my degeneracy that first made me stray from God and more-or-less hate Him, but He used that as a means to draw me TO Him. God indeed can work in mysterious ways. The very things I used to rebel against Him are the things He used to draw me to Him.

>>571538

>>571538

my head hurts

what language is this

>>571556

Sorry, it's late here.

>>571564

why taoist though?

>>571538

wow man you were pretty honest with yourself, most people just plainly don't look for the truth or arguements of everyside and most just cling to their prejudices.

Search, and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened for you and all that seems like scripture is rights, imagine that.

>>571565

I liked the idea of being "in tune" with the earth and having a simple life and not having to worry about the minutiae of life.

>>571569

I initially did cling to my prejudices, I wanted to disprove Christianity. Once I found that was unsustainable, I had to adopt a different approach: seek truth wherever it resides.

I love that piece of scripture. It speaks volumes that whosoever wills to be saved, will.

>>570367

I'd credit /pol/ somewhat in bringing me back to the Catholic Church. Seeing /pol/ worship a completely flawed man that is not at all doing what he promised brought me closer to God and made me realize that having faith in any man leads to disaster.

>>571573

>Standing behind the only politician making any genuine effort to return American public life to explicit christianity is worshipping him

>Being a blackpilled loser brought me closer to god

Baseless despair is a sin

>>571604

>return American public life to explicit christianity

Trump is a prosperity gospel "Christian". If you're not physically wealthy, they believe it's because you hate God. That's not Christianity.

>>571538

>>the notion of a "lights out" death into true nothingness terrified me

As opposed to an eternity of extremely painful torture as a punishment for inane and innocuous random shit?

>>571604

>>Being a blackpilled loser brought me closer to god

Now now. Not very charitable. I'm not blackpilled. I just recognize that Trump is at best a stepping stone, and that putting your faith in man is a recipe for being let down. I have no despair whatsoever. I know that Christ wins in the end, and that even on this earth, things have moved in a positive direction with Trump.

That said, my closeness to God is not a reflection of /pol/. It's progress for me to move from being someone who falsely believed Trump to be a sort of savior, to seeing the Truth that only Jesus Christ is our Savior.

>>571615

Of course it did at the time, but if I believed in God and the resurrection of His son, that wouldn't be an issue.