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1007fa No.569893

Your baptism must meet these criteria in order to be true baptism.

>Be done in water

>Be done in the name of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)

>Be done by way of full immersion

>Must be immersed thrice

Any baptism that is done counter to this that is not done by way of full immersion three times is not true baptism unless in an extreme case like when someone with a health risk is prevented from full immersion or when someone is on their deathbed or perhaps a few other circumstances when full immersion is impossible. If this is the case, then the recipient of baptism can be baptized by pouring thrice with water in the name of the Trinity. This is the exception. This is NOT the norm. And for the record, sprinkling is never ever true baptism even in extreme cases where full immersion cannot be done. At the very very least, there must be an action of pouring which, as noted above, in itself is only ever valid in extreme cases. When it's made the "norm" it is not true baptism.

Any baptism done by the criteria listed above is true baptism, even if done by heterodox groups, and may be accepted by Oikonomia. For this reason, Latin baptism (Roman Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, and Reformed) as well as baptism done by various Anabaptist groups (Baptists, Pentecostals, Mennonites, Amish, Methodist) cannot be accepted as true baptism. This is because the Latins either sprinkle or pour and do not immerse even though baptism (coming from the Greek "baptizo") clearly means submersion into water and the early Church Fathers constantly attest to this fact; and the Anabaptist, while they do immerse, they immerse only once instead of thrice and thus do not have true baptism (see canon 95 of Trullo).

Those coming from the Monophysite sect in Egypt, Ethiopia, Syria, India, and Armenia have true baptism because their baptisms meet perfectly all the criteria above. They may be accepted into Christ's Church by Oikonomia by Chrismation.

Some Orthodox have accepted heretical baptisms by Oikonomia. This is counter to the true Orthodox faith and clearly a show of Satanic ecumenism seeping into some Orthodox circles.

So Latins, you do not have true baptism. Even if you did baptism right, like the Monophysites, it would still lack grace until you came into communion with the Orthodox Church by Chrismation.

476949 No.569899

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0d1601 No.569900

>>569893

>>Be done by way of full immersion

>>Must be immersed thrice

Unbiblical. The bible never mentions a thrice baptism, and when the bible defines baptism, it is "the washing of water with the word", without mention of immersion


35b07a No.569907

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at least we don't allow contraception

at least we don't allow abortion

at least we don't allow people to get divorced 3 times


1ef737 No.569923

>>569900

Sola Scriptura is a heretical doctrine of the west. The Orthodox Church has always baptized by full immersion in the name of the Trinity where the recipient is submerged 3 times.

"If any presbyter or bishop does not perform the one initiation with three immersions, but with giving one immersion only into the death of the Lord, let him be deposed." (Apostolical Constitutions, 50)

>>569907

At least we have the true faith.


bf6c32 No.569927

>>569893

You forgot the number one requirement of baptism - that the subject must be willing.


1ef737 No.569929

>>569927

No. All that is required is the that the priest/minister be willing.


df99ef No.569931

>>569923

>be orthodox

>be true faith

>except for being fruitful and multiplying

>except for thou shalt not murder

>except for a man and woman cleaving together and being one flesh


bf6c32 No.569935

>>569931

What's this 'orthodox not following do not murder' thing you speak of?


bf6c32 No.569940

>>569929

Wouldn't priests/ministers be morally obliged to forcibly baptise everyone they see then, if there is even a chance of the person being baptised being saved?


e83b11 No.569942

>>569940

No, it would be morally wrong to force someone into baptism, but forcing baptism itself wouldn't invalidate it.


3a046c No.569967

>>569907

>divorce three times

Hey they're just using the trinitarian formula. One divorce for the father, one for the son and one for the holy spirit


4b04cb No.569974

>>569935

Abortion is murder.


92f6b1 No.569984

>>569907

Can you show me source where it says abortion is allowed in the Orthodox Church?


92f6b1 No.569985

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>>569967

Orthodox church allows 3 since we can make mistakes with our first marriage which is crucial as we are people of companionship, we can’t have priests preying on little children


0d1601 No.570067

>>569923

>The Orthodox Church has always baptized by full immersion in the name of the Trinity where the recipient is submerged 3 times

Ephesians 4:5


8921b2 No.570249

>>569893

>>569923

>And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before. Didache, ch. 7


e83b11 No.570353

>>570249

Did you not read the OP? Pouring is allowed only in certain circumstances and the Didache clearly agrees with that. Nowhere can you find pouring being the normal mode of baptism. To do so would invalidate it.


1e2e84 No.571221

>>570353

CCC 1239 The essential rite of the sacrament follows: Baptismproperly speaking. It signifies and actually brings about death to sin and entry into the life of the Most Holy Trinity through configuration to the Paschalmystery of Christ. 

Baptism is performed in the most expressiveway by triple immersion in thebaptismal water. However, from ancient times it has also been able to be conferred by pouring the water three times over the candidate's head.

Full immersion is the default method for Latins.




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