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066e07 No.568596

>Yahweh is the one true G-

>…

>n the oldest biblical literature, Yahweh is a typical ancient Near Eastern "divine warrior", who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies;[8] he later became the main god of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and of Judah,[9] and over time the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as the god of the entire cosmos, possessing all the positive qualities previously attributed to the other gods and goddesses.[10][11] By the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and the true god of all the world.[11]

>…

>The Israelites initially worshiped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal.[37] In the period of the Judges and the first half of the monarchy, El and Yahweh became conflated in a process of religious syncretism.

>…

>After the 9th century BCE the tribes and chiefdoms of Iron Age I were replaced by ethnic nation states, Israel, Judah, Moab, Ammon and others, each with its national god, and all more or less equal.[46][47] Thus Chemosh was the god of the Moabites, Milcom the god of the Ammonites, Qaus the god of the Edomites, and Yahweh the "God of Israel" (no "God of Judah" is mentioned anywhere in the Bible).[48][49] In each kingdom the king was also the head of the national religion and thus the viceroy on Earth of the national god;[50] in Jerusalem this was reflected each year when the king presided over a ceremony at which Yahweh was enthroned in the Temple.[51]

>…

>The worship of Yahweh alone began at the earliest with Elijah in the 9th century BCE, but more likely with the prophet Hosea in the 8th; even then it remained the concern of a small party before gaining ascendancy in the exilic and early post-exilic period.[63] The early supporters of this faction are widely regarded as being monolatrists rather than true monotheists;[78] they did not believe that Yahweh was the only god in existence, but instead believed that he was the only god the people of Israel should worship.[79]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

What do /christian/ make of all of this?

5ffe97 No.568599

>>568596

(((Wikipedia)))


b09114 No.568600

Divine revelation in the Old Testament takes place over a period of thousands of years. You have to remember that these were primitive people, so God had to reveal Himself in a way that they could understand. If God had revealed Himself to the Israelites directly as the One True God, they would have been scared into submission, which is not what God wants. I believe that he introduced Himself slowly so they can evolve their beliefs and accept him as the One True God over time.


8aa5d6 No.568602

Yeah it's almost as if human perspective is limited or something! It's almost as if Revelation was progressive and not instantaneous!

Joke

>Ancient hebrews were barbarian nomads who stole cool stories from their neighbours!

Broke

>The Sumerian flood tale precedes the Jewish Genesis, therefore the story of a universal flood is false

Woke

>The Sumerian flood tale precedes the Jewish Genesis, making it the oldest testament of the Flood in human history, and also validates the Biblical narrative


16d02c No.568605

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>>568596

>God in The Bible: “the Israelites are worshipping and sacrificing to other gods besides me. I am the only true God, this is wrong”

<Modern scholars: archeology shows that the Israelites worshipped other gods besides God, I guess the Biblical narrative that there is only one God is false”

This is just plain retarded. Have a snack king


a1f4db No.568606

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e2bd4f No.568608

>>568605

>The consensus of modern scholars is that the Bible does not give an accurate account of the origins of Israel.[26] There is no indication that the Israelites ever lived in Ancient Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula shows almost no sign of any occupation for the entire 2nd millennium BCE, and even Kadesh-Barnea, where the Israelites are said to have spent 38 years, was uninhabited prior to the establishment of the Israelite monarchy.[27]

>…

>The scholarly consensus is that the figure of Moses is legendary, and not historical,[8] although a "Moses-like figure may have existed somewhere in the southern Transjordan in the mid-late 13th century B.C."[31] Certainly no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus-Deuteronomy, nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure.[32] The story of his discovery picks up a familiar motif in ancient Near Eastern mythological accounts of the ruler who rises from humble origins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses


7bd35e No.568612

Literal Fanfiction by Jewish (((Scholars))) who hate Christ


e2bd4f No.568615

>>568612

But wouldn't it effect their religious belief even more so than Christians?


aa7253 No.568626

>>568615

They hate the Christ because they hate God. They hate God because they love Satan.


7bd35e No.568631

>>568615

Ohh my poor naive child


082da4 No.568656

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>>568608

>The consensus of modern scholars

If the Jesus Seminars have taught us anything, it's that the opinions of "scholars" are meaningless, especially when it comes to biblical matters. The only time you hear something along the lines of "the majority of scholars believe X" is when someone has no actual evidence and therefore has to resort to an appeal to authority. Heck, half the time the appeal to authority isn't even based on truth. Remember the whole "97% of scientists believe in global warming" nonsense?

>There is no indication that the Israelites ever lived in Ancient Egypt

You know, aside from all those Egyptian records containing Jewish names.

>the Sinai Peninsula shows almost no sign of any occupation for the entire 2nd millennium BCE

And what signs of occupation would a nomadic tribe, who carried water in animal skins rather than pots, and who lived in tents rather than proper houses, leave behind exactly?

>Certainly no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus-Deuteronomy

Yeah, and Egyptian historians also had a tendency to ignore anything that showed the Egyptians in a negative light. Like how they thought the Nile was a gift from the gods and then it destroyed one of their villages, so they all pretended that the village never existed in the first place to keep up the delusion.

>nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure

Really now?

>The story of his discovery picks up a familiar motif in ancient Near Eastern mythological accounts of the ruler who rises from humble origins

This is just reaching for straws. Moses also dies at the end of the story, does that mean Exodus-Deuteronomy is a ripoff of all those other stories where people died?


eb5aac No.568686

>>568596

What you are talking about is gods or sons of gods (elohim or beney elohim) in a pantheon or divine council. This is essentially a hierarchical structure of 3 tiers (Israelite) or 4 tiers (Ugaritic) which is similar to the Christian idea of a celestial hierarchy (e.g. the 3 choirs of 3 ranks conceived by pseudo-dionysius). Psalm 29, an early psalm that applies Canaanite storm theophany imagery to Yahweh, shows that the beney elohim worship Yahweh making him at least the "divine warrior" king of the earth. However, v10 of the psalm is an interpolation (Psalm 29 was probably originally Canaanite and addressed to Baal) that uses El imagery and gives Yahweh cosmic rulership.

The Bible itself, of course, tells us that the Patriarchs did not know God as Yahweh but as El or several other names including Sedeq. Yahweh was identified with Elohim at a later point when that name was introduced. Given that Yahweh means "He who causes to be" the name itself identifies Him as creator of existence.

Additionally, "two powers" passages in the OT show that the "divine warrior" Yahweh theopany is the vicegerent of the council (preincarnate Christ) while the Father/Patriarch (El/Elohim) is also Yahweh showing at least a Binitarian understanding of the Godhead in the OT.

See the work of Dr. Michael Heiser


eb5aac No.568691

>>568608

Minimalist scholars like Israel Finkelstein have been forced to abandon their extreme positions now that new archaeological evidence such as that found at Khirbet Qeiyafa show that a United Monarchy existed in the 10th century BCE. An inscription found at the site records the election of a king by judges, probably the ascension of Saul to the new "charismatic monarchy".

The Judges period is not particularly problematic given that even minimalists understand that Israel had to be in the region of Canaan by 1200 BCE to allow for the recording on the Merneptah stele. If the Berlin pedestal inscription has an archaically spelled reference to Israel (debateable) than the Israelites must have been in Canaan by 1400 BCE allowing for the traditionalist chronology of an exodus event in ~1440 BCE. Given that the Song of the Sea is one of the oldest pieces of Biblical oral poetry we have good reason to believe that an Egyptian army was destroyed at sea, however due to the conflation of the hypothetical historical event with cosmogonic/theomachic mythological imagery (defeat of Sea [Yamm] and River) the historical event is unclear and probably impossible to reconstruct. However, this sheds light on the Christian exegesis of passing through the Red Sea as a literary icon for baptism as a passage from death and chaos to life as Yamm in ANE literature represents chaos and disorder.


eb5aac No.568699

>>568602

Also THIS.

Although I don't believe in an evolution from polytheism to monotheism so revelation is not very progressive. Just less or more explicit at different points and expressed in different terminology.


e3b7d5 No.568708

Wow! It's almost as if the modern (((chronologists))) and (((scholars))) hate Christianity and will lie about it to advance their goals of Marxism and atheism!


eb5aac No.568710

>>568708

Most of them don't. It's just that the paradigm of modern Biblical studies was formed under protestant/enlightenment scholarship with very little empirical evidence to form comparative models so things went off track and scholars tried to build a critical picture using faulty presuppositions.


4c3b00 No.568711

I don't trust these people any further than I can throw them. The Bible is a more reliable guide to history than they are. Ocarina of Time is a more reliable guide to history than they are.


d0dbe9 No.568723

>>568711

Questioning (((Earth history))) and accepting the Holy Bible as truth is what brought me to Christianity.

I received the gift of faith the second I repented and stopped believing heresies.


b2f535 No.568852

Bump. Some very interesting info in this thread




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