/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>558622

Because socialization skills are just as important as math and reading skills. There are some obnoxious people in the world. If you don't come to terms with that when you're young, you grow up to be a basement dwelling chan poster crying about diversity.

>>558624

Have fun having the school tell your kids there are 7294822848x10^74 different genders and that evolietion is real

>>558626

The school tells them what the school tells them. If you are incapable of correcting what the school has told them, then you have failed as a parent.

because I don't life in the united states of babylon

>>558628

Why not send your kids to satanist services while you're at it? Gay men's bathhouses? Strip clubs? Certainly, you'll be able to explain to them those things are wrong.

Oh wait, "Flee from youthful lusts" 2 Timothy 2:22, and "flee from sexual immorality" 1 Corinthians 6:18.

Go ahead and put your children in front of temptation do to your cheapness and laziness but don't pretend its in any way biblical. We flee from temptation; we're not to allow ourselves to be indoctrinated by tempters.

>>558634

This is a prime example of someone incapable of living in the real world. Everything is either one extreme or the other. Do you literally believe that public school is the same as satanic church services? If so, then you've either never been to a public school nor do you have children.

My children will learn to resist temptation, not flee from it. Not live in fear of it. Did Jesus minister only to the holy?

>>558624

God forbid kids miss out on "socialization" aka being told to sit down and shut up for whole day, having other kids assault them without consequence, and being surrounded by maladjusted adults who either don't or can't be empathetic. Real good socialization…

>>558635

>This is a prime example of someone incapable of living in the real world. Everything is either one extreme or the other.

Where do you draw the line? I bet the real answer is based upon social acceptability. Public School = Socially approved, so Christ must be okay with it. Be of the world if you want but don't pretend that's Christianity.

>Do you literally believe that public school is the same as satanic church services?

No they have different names, they're obviously different things. However, both forum spews obscene views as righteousness. The level of depravity is different but if we're talking of scope and not of depth, it's roughly the same.

>If so, then you've either never been to a public school nor do you have children.

I went to public school, I had atheist parents, my opinions come from personal experience and published public school teaching materials.

>My children will learn to resist temptation, not flee from it.

Ignore Paul's warnings if you want. You and your family will suffer the consequences of your hubris. Temptation will occur even if you try to flee at every turn; to openly invite it is to test God.

>Did Jesus minister only to the holy?

No, Jesus ministered to those who knew they came up short. You're the one talking about how you (or your kids) can resist any temptation.

>>558637

It was the first one that popped up on Google. I don't know the verses by heart. Give me a break, I don't like the NIV either.

>>558624

>homeschooling and socialization

look at literally any study done on this,

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&q=socialization+home+schooling&btnG=

homeschooled kids end up with just as good or even better social skills than ones who've been brought up in public schools.

>>558637

>KJV

>Inspired

That the prose is fancy doesn't make it inspired. It's not bad, but I prefer the NLT because it's easier to understand and refers to alternative translations. And when in doubt, I just cross-examine several versions of the Bible to find the one that's likely correct.

>>558635

Wrong.

1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

And its not "ONE EXTREME OR THE OTHER", even if you're not a black-or-white person, you have to recognize schools are being tainted by more and more black, specially if you're in North(USA, Canada) or some places in South America(Brazil, Venezuela).

>>558639

>Where do you draw the line? I bet the real answer is based upon social acceptability. Public School = Socially approved, so Christ must be okay with it. Be of the world if you want but don't pretend that's Christianity.

Many people seem to think like that. Everyone pretends to be questioning the status quo but not many people do. Sad state of affair, especially when the status quo is so dynamic and divorced from tradition or even a pragmatic conservativism.

>>558642

Also this.

>>558636

I'm sorry your experience with public school was so traumatizing. Perhaps your parents should have taken a more active role in your education.

>>558644

No … not that I've noticed. Math is still math. 1+1 still equals 2. Not seeing any deception there.

>>558646

>Perhaps your parents should have taken a more active role in your education.

Like, doing it themselves?

>>558649

That's not always a viable solution. Would you have uneducated people trying to educate people? Can someone who doesn't know basic math teach calculus? What about parents who, you know, have a job? Home schooling isn't necessarily a viable option.

>>558648

Schools do a lot of indoctrination, and they're often very toxic places. No one denies that teaching arithmetic and writing is necessary, but that could be done even if schooling wasn't compulsory or at least if private schools and homeschooling were options. What we take issue with are false narratives in history, the teaching of forced tolerance and authoritarianism and discouragement of conviction, and the like.

>>558651

Then send them to a private school. The costs would be negligent by now if the market was allowed to function. Instead, private schools need tons of licenses, aren't allowed to operate unless it is deemed there was a "demand" for it, and have to compete against schools that all parents already pay for (so basically, they have to pay double if they want to send their child to a private school).

Also, the state is causing pressure for parents to stay at work. Immense pressure, in fact. My mother has a good 70% of her income taxed and she isn't even that rich. She'd be several income brackets lower if she worked 40 hours a week instead of 60 or 70, too. She is actively punished for working that much but she has to, because of her high debt in taxes and payments to the health insurance.

>>558650

Also, this. Socialism is unchristian. Even christian socialism is unchristian.

>>558653

>Schools do a lot of indoctrination

Not really. There are curriculum and federal standards they have to follow, but for the most part it's teaching toward whatever standardized test is coming up. You take the test, you pass it, you move on up until you graduate high school. There is very little room for indoctrination. Yes, you can cherry pick some examples here and there; but for every example you cherry pick, there's a parent's advocacy group going through channels to have it removed.

I actually have kids in public school. I've yet to see a single incidence of anything this thread is claiming happen. As a matter of fact, because of the scrutiny that public schools are constantly under, I have to sign parental permission slips for literally everything.

>>558655

>Then send them to a private school.

You say that like it's so easy.

>>558659

If you're working enough to afford it, it should be your highest priority for your kids. If you don't have the money cause' you don't have the work, then home school. It's that simple.

>>558651

>parents who, you know, have a job?

Enjoy your 35 year old barren career women then. It's almost like you people want us to be replaced by fertild muslims and other third world "populations."

Public school is under control of the synagogue of satan. They will gladly expose elementary school children to queer curriculum today, it's time to get out. Stop running the rat race of having the most expensive car or vacation, raise your kids right. There are not second chances with that.

>Would you have uneducated people trying to educate people?

And most of all stop listening to bolshevik propaganda, about it being necessary to promote feminism and third world immigration and collective schooling. In europe they literally remove children from parents by force if they freely decide to not to let them be exposed to such kinds of filth, this kind of argument is taking us all one step closer to that. The so-called experts want to promote trans-gender and other mental illnesses behind your back. This is known. And I guarantee you in some way or form they're doing it.

>>558664

>I spend too much time on /pol/: the post

Seriously, man. Grow up.

>>558665

Nah, you are just lukewarm, m8, and see /pol/ everywhere. A normalfag being a normalfag.

>>558665

>I spend too much time on /pol/: the post

>Seriously, man. Grow up.

Man, no argument at all, just ad hominem. To bad that public school education didn't include logic.

>>558657

Well, I went to a public school in Germany, so my experiences are german ones. Here's what I "learned":

>Luther was a liberal reformer of the faith

When he was very authoritarian and wanted to reform all "paganism" from the Church.

>The Civil Rights Movement was somehow not infiltrated by Marxists

>There was never a genocide against Germans

Well, that one was rather a lie by omission. Two million Germans were killed in democidal actions and

>The Allies did nothing wrong

Churchill sabotaged the German resistance movement, FDR supported Stalin on the "hunch" that he respected democracy and peace, and the Morgenthau-Plan and the demand of unconditional surrender against Germany and Japan dragged the war our.

>There's a valid middleground between socialism and capitalism

There just isn't.

>Democracy democracy democracy

>Pluralism

>Multiculturalism

>The European Union is great

And so on. All ideas that ought to be controversial at the very least. And when I have kids, they'll have to suffer the same crap as I did unless I emigrate to Switzerland.

There's a reason why Napoleon and the Prussians were among the first supporters of compulsory schooling. And the ideas of the Fabians in the US were nothing more than chilling. These were people that wanted to take all children away from their parents for fifteen years and raise them in an egalitarian environment, but they got haggled down "merely" to compulsory schooling. So… a bunch of totalitarians and dictators accidentally came up with a liberal idea? That`s very unconvincing.

>>558659

I believe I said the opposite. It's hard, because the state made it hard.

>>558667

>>558668

… did you read the post I replied to? It is literal insanity.

>>558669

>Here's what I "learned"

Ok, and did you have options outside of school to learn otherwise? Were there public libraries with different books that had different points of view or did you have family who furthered your education?

People ITT seem to think that public school is the end-all-be-all and that absolutely nothing else can ever be taught from any other sources anywhere in the world. It's very strange to me, that way of thinking.

>>558672

>People ITT seem to think that public school is the end-all-be-all and that absolutely nothing else can ever be taught from any other sources anywhere in the world. It's very strange to me, that way of thinking.

Exactly how many libraries did you want to spend all day at between the ages of 6 - 10? How much critical examination of authority did you engage in during those ages?

I don't have a problem with my kids going to university. I'll have prepared them for the enemy by then. We're talking indoctrination of small children - the kid of crap that has nine-year-olds thinking they're transgendered.

>>558676

>the ages of 6 - 10

When I was 6-10 I wanted to do little more than play outside with my friends. Do you honestly believe that a 6 year old needs to be taught critical examination of authority? Come on, man.

>>558672

>Ok, and did you have options outside of school to learn otherwise?

I did exactly that, but I had to learn against the official narrative. Why not teach me the truth to begin with? Or at least give my parents options, so they can send me to whatever school they think would be most likely to teach me the truth.

>Were there public libraries with different books that had different points of view or did you have family who furthered your education?

In fact, I did. I'm a very enthusiastic autodidact. Even back then, I learned philosophy and science at home, albeit pathetic atheism-tier stuff. I kept this up until this day, and added history, economics, more advanced philosophy and basic theology to the list.

Few kids are like me, I believe. Surprisingly many, but still not a majority. Even among them, most will probably believe the false narrative they've been taught until that narrative is positively and conclusively proven wrong.

>People ITT seem to think that public school is the end-all-be-all and that absolutely nothing else can ever be taught from any other sources anywhere in the world. It's very strange to me, that way of thinking.

My point is not that it's impossible. My point is that it's dangerous to teach lies and false narratives to begin with. When you have to make an effort to unlearn what you learned in a school, then that school isn't very good.

>>558678

>When I was 6-10 I wanted to do little more than play outside with my friends. Do you honestly believe that a 6 year old needs to be taught critical examination of authority? Come on, man.

That is exactly the point I was making - why it is so important -not- to allow those kids to be indoctrinated by public schools - because they don't think critically at those ages.

>>558678

Argument went like this:

Point 1 - Public schools bad

Counter-point - Who cares, go learn on your own

My counter - kids that age don't learn on their own and don't critically examine what they're taught so the counter-point is invalid

You - >I agree

>>558680

>I had to learn against the official narrative

Well, here in the US there really isn't an "official narrative". Public schools teach math and science with very, very little emphasis on humanities and the arts. As I said, they teach toward standardized testing. Here, if you want to learn humanities/arts, you have to do it outside of the standard public curriculum.

>>558681

>they don't think critically at those ages

At 6 years old, they're learning basic math and the alphabet. There is literally no indoctrination. I really don't know where you folks are getting this misinformation, but I literally have children in public school right now.

>>558685

>At 6 years old, they're learning basic math and the alphabet. There is literally no indoctrination. I really don't know where you folks are getting this misinformation, but I literally have children in public school right now.

Your ad hoc evidence aside, their are constantly articles about the indoctrination which concerns us, I experienced in public school myself, and my friend saw his cousin's "Different Families" handout from school that had kids with two dads and two moms. That was from first grade.

So, we both have ad hoc evidence in opposite directions. Shall I link news stories about this crap going on?

>>558622

Holy shit Iodine confirmed CUCK

How will the thyroid system ever recover?

Who /chlorine/ here?

I'm gonna marry a schoolteacher and just have everything done at home.

>>558630

>>558706

evolution is a lie

>>558635

You've already failed as a parent. Get a brain MRI, your brain has clearly failed you somewhere.

>>558622

>>558634

It's like a vaccine of the outside world. You need to have your faith challenged and see why those rules are needed in practice so that it can ve strengthened. I didn't remain with Christianity because someone told me to, I remained with it because I saw why it was necessary.

>>558752

Many others lose it through the same means.

>>558752

I like your analogy but not your conclusion.

I will vaccinate my children to the ways of evil by presenting those issues in their true light, juxtaposed against God's love, in a Christian education.

Your version of "vaccination" is to send your kid to the neighbor's kid with chickenpox. You know what that gets you? Chickenpox, and potentially shingles later. (protip: we don't do it that way anymore for a reason)

If you're arguing survival of the fittest, well, I don't think you'll find a lot of support for that sentiment around here- Jesus goes after his lost lambs, he doesn't just abandon them.

>>558622

I'll be homeschooling my future children well the wife would be and they will develop socialization skills with other home schooled children.

>>558622

when i was a senior in high school, i was reading the bible before class, and my history teacher came up and asked what i was reading, so i told him the bible, and he scoffed and walked off. :'(

>>558774

You think that's bad.

High school history class.

>Teacher says Catholics are not Christian

(I'm protty btw, but I still stuck up for yous guys).

>"yes they are, the whole church was basically Catholic until Luther"

>No, anon, you're an idiot. Catholics were never Christian

>snickering erupts in classroom against me.

>"But, look here" I say, "Page XXX talks about the Protestant reformation, the whole church was Catholic before that.

>"Just give it up anon, admit you're wrong."

So stupefied by their ignorance I actually just sat there until the end of class.

>>558656

Socialism is fine and can be Christian. Unrestricted capitalism and authoritarian socialism is a sin. Stop this meme.

>>558816

Why democracy can not work. People become this level of deluded.

>>558816

This: http://taylormarshall.com/2017/09/catholic-condemnation-socialism-5-papal-quotes.html

The Catholic Church always condemned socialism in stronger terms than capitalism. As it should, because while capitalism permits a materialist worldview, socialism calls for it. And there is no third option, no economic system that magically makes people spiritual. That's the job of religion, not economics.>>558769