882d1f No.552674
How would you make Christianity "cool" again?
76ce15 No.552677
The left is already working on that.
d4a29e No.552679
>>552674
by returning to orthodoxy
166139 No.552686
Say that ecumenism has to die.
d015f8 No.552690
You already know the answer OP.
8cef20 No.552692
>>552674
Let's be real. True Christianity as God intended will never be "cool" in the sight of the world, only parts of it. What we are observing now is a reaction in the christian communities against the left, and that's why paganism is also, as cringy as it is, making a return.
(few) People realize that the left isn't as great as they were promised it would be. Just hear what these new "convert" say when they want from christianity, an experience, not which sect is closer to what Christ wanted or which sect's view on this particular topic is what God wants-they're church shopping that's all they want, and if they can get the same/similar "experience" from a non-christian community, do you honestly think they'll keep attending to church (especially if going to church is inconvenient)?
Mark my words, in two or three generations from now these laities will turn away from Christianity or at least nominal Christianity will become the norm again.
66586f No.552699
>>552674
>How would you make Christianity "cool" again?
>how would you make the journey to God into some fad that will appeal to today's brainwashed liberal teen so they can confidently embrace for maybe 3 years before finding something more appealing to their angst.
I think it would be better to catch the aftermath of young people who have been possessed by demons from occultist mysticism or something.
847aeb No.552709
>>552674
>woke
>cool
>progressive
>LGBTQ
>environment
>racial inequality
>vice
e855fd No.552710
>>552674
The problem with this is that liberal churches like the mainliners or catholics are dying while conservative churches like the evangelicals or orthodox are rising. The fact is that if Christianity doesn't teach anything distinct from secular atheism, there is no longer a need to identify as Christian. The only people who care about Christianity enough to want to follow it are those who reject modernism and choose spirituality over the material. That's also why mainline churches are now splitting into different groups based on either conservatism or liberalism, and why traditional catholicism is on the rise. If Christians are just atheists who go to church, why even be a Christian?
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decf09 No.552739
Post Ironically wishing to retake constantinople, genociding the jew, and remaking byzantium into a worldwide church militia. Strangely, normies eat up crusader imagery and modern military stuff, so a combination of the two with the fascist, empirical worship of God is a nobrainer. Like boy scouts, but for Jesus.
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e79171 No.552850
>>552674
By being like we've always been; against society.
The punkers and non-conformists edgy people of 50 years ago wanted to be cool and edgy by going against mainstream social norms and ideas.
Today, in CURRENT YEAR, we christians do exactly that, but in reverse.
89081c No.552854
>>552710
>liberal churches like the mainliners or catholics
yeah ok man
833869 No.552856
Christianity is doomed if God doesn't cut us some slack, and if powerful Christians don't change their low down ways.
e855fd No.552863
>>552854
Of course there are exceptions to every rule. The exception proves the rule! There are liberal Baptists and conservative Catholics out there, but this thread is talking in general as opposed to random exceptions
57b2a6 No.552868
>>552863
The pope quote is cherrypicked, read it in the context from where it was taken.
As for individual Catholics, they don't get to decide what the Church believes.
f6a824 No.552870
>>552686
Is this Argentina? These women are insane, truly a den of vipers if I've ever seen one
e855fd No.552873
>>552868
The question isn't what the church technically teaches, it's whether or not the church is liberal or not. The overwhelming majority of the people that make up the church are liberals. The popes quote is intentionally non-confrontational and open-ended (even if you think Franky isn't a liberal, his quote is definitely no "modernists should be beaten with fists"). If you're a conservative Catholic, more power to you. But that doesn't change the overall feeling of the church
c38b58 No.552874
>>552674
>How would you make Christianity "cool" again?
With memes
80788d No.552891
Being serious about the gravity of Christianity would help, for one.
Give big penances for those who commit grave sins. Forbid marriage between the Orthodox and the heterodox (replace "Orthodox" with whatever tradition you belong to).
Absolutely do not leave it be normal to have communion without having confessed.
Have better sermons.
Make asceticism the norm again.
Stop being in bed with governmental authorities.
Finally, make reading the Bible and the Church Fathers obligatory, and excommunicate those who do not do it.
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4f7049 No.552920
>>552674
Rallying adult men to destroy non-Christian (but religious) rituals such as pagans.
a0d1aa No.552923
>>552873
>who cares about doctrine
Your life is a meme, dude
e4f183 No.552929
Become more radical and fascistic. Create closer social bonds for Church goers and make set rules. Everyone wants to be a part of a group, especially young people. This modern garbage where you just say you are Christian isn't going to cut it. You have to achieve this title.
99d566 No.552931
>>552710
good post baptist bro
decf09 No.552988
>>552868
That's literally the problem with Catholicism. The whole "Islam infallibility" thing only works if the upper echelons of your faith are exposed to be communists who contradict themselves. Even if you got rid of this joker, there's another 100 like him waiting in the wings.
decf09 No.552989
>>552988
I meant papal, sorry.
151073 No.553048
>>552988 (heiled)
He has not invoked Papal infallibility though. That kind of kills the argument against.
Also, everything he says is cherry-picked. I'm not saying he's not a leftist or doesn't drive me up a wall with some of the things he has said, but he's not a heretic, in the slightest.
6037b4 No.553102
>>552674
Easy. Crusade against modern society and anyone who says "woke".
1a44c0 No.553169
>>552923
He started by talking about the state of individual churches as they are throughout the world and someone tried to change the subject, which he immediately pointed out. Sorry if you don't like it.
What matters is whether the people actually follow doctrine anyway. That's what it was intended for.
460d1d No.553190
>>552988
>>552873
If it helps you, the local priest if charismatic ends up in practice having more influence on the church goers.
From how I understand it, the Pope in XXI century works more as the official PR person to talk to journalists.
Pope Francis is playing a dangerous game but if it's what I think it is it should be fine in long term.
Francis is tearing down all excuses leftists have for setting the "attack the church" as the justice correct thing to do. This while a dangerous game, has been required, leftists have been the most vocal and most organized anti church groups in the past 40 years.
Pope Francis creates amazing doubts that makes them waver and lose their pace.
The problem is that to make this stunt it requires upsetting your whole traditional hardcore base.
But longterm it's a win for Christianity should it go well.
32f88a No.553233
Shitpost harder and don't compromise.
9631a2 No.553239
>>553169
>restart modem
>start talking about yourself in third person
seriously?
decf09 No.553416
>>553048
He doesn't have to, because like I've said, any one of those marxist cardinals in the vatican will make this one look like mussolini in comparison. Is it not enough that he has been formally corrected by other members of the church? Catholicism has no future unless it usurps the pope and falls in under the other 4 sees. I love you as brothers in Christ but we can't keep losing relevance in a vain attempt to seem modern, its up to us as the church militant to turn back the clock to the crusades.
>>553190
It doesn't matter because Roman Catholic doctrine isn't decided at the parish level like us protties, the orthodox have the best compromise in that regard which is why I'm aligning myself with them.
>Pope is PR guy
That's exactly the problem (see above), no one will take us seriously until we start pogroms against heathenry like we used to at the drop of a hat. His faggotry is costing the body of Christ IN REAL TIME with this hippy marxist nonsense. The normie wants to see a strong church again, all sense of pride should cease until we raise up a generation of modern crusaders.
8f4dcf No.553609
>>552710
That's pretty much my position on it. Christianity isn't meant to be "cool". In fact, plenty of the people who called for the execution of Jesus found it not "cool " at all. It's meant to be a doctrine of self-accountability, self-improvement, sacrifice, compassion, and truth. It's safe to say, that the secular atheist world provides none of those traits if they find incorrect pronouns more offensive and deadly than the intentional transmission of HIV.
53a6d9 No.553949
Christianity is presented by the media and the world as something socially acceptable, and something that is not subversive. That is slowly changing - and the more that changes, the cooler we will become.
48bac6 No.553958
>>552674
young people think violence and anti-authority is cool.
jesus had the most violent death of all time and emboided anti-authority.
spread the good news in a way so that it sounds cool
cb5e6c No.554091
>>552709
I get the objection to LGBT and general liberal idpol, but what's the objection to taking care of the planet given to us by God, or resisting injustice between god's children?
5d7c84 No.554503
One of our most organized branches, Catholicism, is completely and utterly cucked at the moment. Depose the current sodomite loving pope and put a real god fearing man in. Make Christianity strong and noble again, not weak and regressive.
decf09 No.554506
>>554091
These were things that the church did easily before the advent of "democracy", we need a monarchy or emperor in order to reinstate the role of the church in society.
>Resisting injustice
Get that jew cock out of your mouth. The new testament acknowledges slavery as a state of being, either to a master or to Jesus' will for our lives.
>>554503
Agreed, until they purge the pope, the body of Christ only really has orthodoxy as the main opponent to the degeneracy of our times.
e6c92a No.554615
>>552736
t. Martin Luther :^)
568a22 No.554632
>>552674
Watch the "24 Hour Propane People" episode from King Of The Hill
decf09 No.555649
27f1eb No.555699
If I've learned one thing from Hillsong, it's leather jackets and very long hymns repeating verses
but actually the Pentecostal movement about which I'm kind of worried.
142126 No.555772
>>552674
It's plenty cool
THE ISSUE IS NOT THAT OUR MARKETING ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH,
IT'S THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE PRODUCT
Marketing to reprobates risks debasing the Gospel, spawns "seeker-friendly" and "welcoming" churches and, later, welcomes heresies.
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4c3667 No.555940
>>554506
>Get that jew cock out of your mouth. The new testament acknowledges slavery as a state of being, either to a master or to Jesus' will for our lives.
In what way did Jesus not show compassion to the poor and downtrodden he came across? By caring for them he's resisting the unjust society they found themselves in right?
a19221 No.555944
>>555940
>By caring for them he's resisting the unjust society they found themselves in right?
he healed many people, probably slaves too, but he didn't go around freeing them or telling them to revolt against their masters (quite the opposite, the NT tells slaves to obey their masters, even cruel ones), give to caesar what belongs to caesar.
Slavery only affects your body, not your soul.
Jesus wanted to free people from sin-slavery, which can kill the soul.
He also says the meek, humble and persecuted are "blessed".
Being an earthly "slave" is not an "evil" anymore than being "poor" is a problem.
decf09 No.556713
>>555944
PREACH
Most men's bondage lies in the actions of their antecedents, this is what the bible means by generational curses. The remaining bondage is due solely to their own ego (vice, disregard for consequence, stupidity).
ba2ec3 No.556759
>>552674
Have crusades against the saracens.
ba2ec3 No.556762
>>554091
>or resisting injustice between god's children?
When are we going to stop allowing God's children to subsist off of EBT and foreign aid without knowing how to fish for actual food, first?
When education and productive, virtuous lives become valued and a select group of God's children decide to try and raise their mean IQ from 80 in the small amount that is possible, then, when the injustice actually becomes undeserved should we try to end it.
For now they are beasts of the field who need to be taught how to become men.
4c3667 No.556772
>>556762
>muh beasts of the field
>muh superiority
Your obsession with race has led you to being deceived into following some hollow Christianity and not the true Gospel.
1a44c0 No.556777
>>556772
Y'know, by pretending there is no differences you're only hurting them. Some of us have a bit more respect than to pretend everything is the same.
e3a433 No.556803
>>556762
>the mentally retarded and the slothful aren’t people
Vade retro satana
d4b33f No.556816
>>552674
When I was very young, I thought Medieval Christianity was cool, and the hippie-circle rainbows and sunshine faggotry was ghey.
380696 No.556831
>>556816
Since Christian art has had its teeth pulled. Now we have powder blue pamphlets with stock photos of smiling backlit people out of a sears catalog.
28174e No.556832
>>552674
>>552929
Especially younger people are in general extremly fatalistic and disillusioned, they are aware of the miserable state of the world, albeit not about the exact details, and choose to ignore it by engulfing in hedonism. Christianity is perceived as weak and lovey-dovey, as just another form of escapism for the weak, to make christianity "cool" again, it would have to shed the notion that christianity is for the weak and feeble and reinvigorate the focus on the strength that is necessary to have faith, and the strength that is gained from having faith. I know a lot of people who would call themselves atheist for no other reason than "lol science disproves god" but have a fetish for paganism because it portrays masculine virutes and strength. I belive the truth that is encompased within christianity will deep down inside speak to everyone to a degree, it's only a question whether they are willing to listen with an open heart or whether they're on the defensive to begin with and this is largely depended on the perceived desirability of the faith.
9a389a No.557425
>>556832
>Christianity is perceived as weak and lovey-dovey, as just another form of escapism for the weak, to make christianity "cool" again, it would have to shed the notion that christianity is for the weak and feeble and reinvigorate the focus on the strength that is necessary to have faith, and the strength that is gained from having faith.
This so much. In attempts to 'get with the times' and appeal to youth, Christian organizations are actually driving away the young.
I'm in my late 20s now, but when I was younger I was a turbo fedora because I felt no purpose in life. The efforts by Christian organizations to appear cool were a complete joke to me and I considered the Church to be weak and irrelevant to modern life. Then I discovered tradition and started reading Christian history and it is full of strong role models. Men and women who sacrificed everything for their faith and for their fellow man.
Young men are being told they no longer have a place in the world and they are looking for purpose and something greater to aspire to. Well, maintaining faith in this Godless world is the hardest mode there is. Efforts should be focused on appealing to this need by returning to tradition and focusing on how being a man faithful to God, a leader of the family, a loving father, and a devoted husband is the greatest show of strength and discipline a man can aspire to.
c6f565 No.557499
>>556816
I'll take things that aren't true for 500
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76e1e5 No.557512
>>552674
>How would you make Christianity "cool" again?
>How would you make Christianity
>make Christianity
>make Christianity [something that it isn't]
Found the heresy. We change ourselves to meet Christ's standards. Not the other way around.
1a9b95 No.557519
>How would you make Christianity "cool" again?
Consider pics related. On the left, we have your stereotypical image of a modern pastor. Thick-rimmed glasses, dimpled smile, aggressively trimmed goatee, combed hair. He looks like he would break down crying if you called him a naughty name. He uptalks during his sermons, preaches on Mother's Day about how awesome mothers are, but preaches on Father's Day how fathers are shit and need to change their ways to be better fathers. He also thinks that bigger, better speakers and projectors will make young people flock back to church. He thinks that "Jesus Is My Boyfriend" songs are awesome. When asked difficult questions such as "Why does God allow evil?", he goes off on strange tangents about his own life experience that bear very little relevance to the question at hand.
Now, look at the man on the right. Rough, masculine facial features. Full beard and mustache. Carries himself with a upright, confident posture. Carries weapons. Has a fuggin' warhorse. He looks ready to absolutely murder some Saracens. If you asked him "Why does God allow evil?", he'd draw his sword and point it at you and say in a deep, rugged voice, "Gaze upon the tip of the Wrath of God. March with me, boy, and you shall see the answer to your question!"
Who is more of an inspiring figure to you: the soyboy in a suit, or the brave King that marches at the front of an army and slaughters Saracens because he loves his country, loves his people, loves his Church so much, that he prays for the strength to run his sword through his enemies who would desecrate the temples of the Holy Spirit? I rest my case.
ba2ec3 No.557561
>>556803
>>the mentally retarded and the slothful aren’t people
They're people, they're just terrible people who need to be returned to virtue, or in the case of the mentally retarded, put down, if their retardation causes them extreme and incurable pain or trauma.
>>556772
Their subhuman nature is an issue that is completely ignored in society, even though their predispositions to violence have caused crime rates in America to be unprecedented in European settlements, and even though it often leads to them sabotaging their futures.
I'm not saying that they should be put to death, we should just understand that increasing police spending or welfare isn't going to alleviate the problem at hand. They aren't discriminated against, civilized society is simply biased against their natures.