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>sola scriptura

define your term

>>549667

Because he is his own ultimate authority and can determine whether or not what you mentioned matters

>>549667

Do you know what the historical-grammatical method is?

>>549673

which verse defines it?

alright, since OP refuses to give the definition he's operating from, i'm going to post the definition from wikipedia for you guys to refer to in future posts.

this discussion usually brings a lot of shitposting ( >>549671 ), two sides talking about two different things.

>Sola scriptura (Latin: by Scripture alone) is a Christian theological doctrine which holds that the Christian Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith and practice.

>The Scriptures' meaning is mediated through many kinds of secondary authority, such as the ordinary teaching offices of the Church, the ecumenical creeds, the councils of the Christian Church, and so on. However, sola scriptura rejects any original infallible authority other than the Bible. In this view, all secondary authority is derived from the authority of the Scriptures and is therefore subject to reform when compared to the teaching of the Bible. Church councils, preachers, Bible commentators, private revelation, or even a message allegedly from an angel or an apostle are not an original authority alongside the Bible in the sola scriptura approach.

>>549689

That's fine but that doesn't resolve the issue at hand. How would one distinguish valid secondary sources in line with what a verse means if they don't understand what the verse/word means in its original context?

Youre assuming the reader already knows the true meaning, I'm saying what if the reader isn't an infallible authority and is still learning and doesn't understand a word/verse/paragraph?? Who does he go to?

>>549691

>what if the reader isn't an infallible authority

What if the reader is a pope?

>>549667

Sola scriptura doesn't mean not to interpret scripture, in fact, it means the opposite. All sola scriptura means is that your final authority with regards to doctrine. Where did this retarded meme come from that sola scriptura means everything must be literal and nobody can study scripture? The whole point of sola scriptura is that you need to study scripture! I don't get how a simple doctrine that you can understand with just a cursory glance at its Wikipedia page gets so misunderstood by catholics. Once again, catholics hate The Bible because they can't read

>>549691

>Youre assuming

the only thing i assumed was that the catholic guy's post was shit. (i actually meant to delete that before posting, but forgot)

all i did was give you a definition.

not really interested in participating in this discussion, just wanted to make sure it starts off with a solid foundation, an agreed upon definition.

>>549697

Because tbh, "sola scriptura" is not well-defined and can cover anything from a weak version of "prima scriptura," to "dude the Bible interprets itself lol." And similarly, "prima scriptura" is not well-defined and can cover anything from a strong version of "sola scriptura," to "uh, yeah, the Bible's not THAT important, you know, but we read it sometimes anyway."

>>549710

>"dude the Bible interprets itself lol."

I don't think you understand the scripture-interprets-scripture principle. It doesn't mean the bible contains its own commentary, it means we should interpret parts of the bible in light of other parts of the bible, especially with difficult passages

>"sola scriptura" is not well-defined

Why don't we use the definition the Protestant reformers themselves functioned on?

>>549667

>What is hermeneutics

I can swear, you Roman catholics are pulling thinner straws each year whenever you object to something about protestantism.

I'm gonna this the pope franky effect.

>>549718

>Why don't we use the definition the Protestant reformers themselves functioned on?

Then this thread would not exist

every prot is his own pope sadly

>>549697

>The whole point of sola scriptura is that you need to study scripture!

This