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Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes.

>>535068

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>>535068

>>535071

What of the evil and in-justice in the world?

Please thinking of my question carefully, I dont want objective meme answers

4 us

>>535064

As much as He wants to be, yes.

Drive carefully tho, lol.

>>535079

See >>532747

Whole thread.

Evil will not triumph in the end, but it is our duty to defend and live the good. It's not the world or God that you damm by rejecting good, but yourself.

See Matthew 3:12 .

>>535064

>Is God in control ?

Of what? Why is it necessary to have "control"?

Do what you want, when you want, because only you are in "control", but remember you alone will be responsible for your choices. Insert relevant scriptural ref here.

>>535086

Thanks for the link.

>Matthew 3:1

That's a great verse

>>535079

Video related gives an in depth answer.

The tl;dw is a counter question: is there no point to suffering?

That's unthinkable.

Here is the Biblical answer:

(Matthew 13:24-30 KJV)

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

(Matthew 13:36-43 KJV)

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

>Implying God controls everything like a puppet master pulling a string

>Implying God micromanages everything.

>Implying God is a capricious, evil monster.

Vid related Father Thomas Hopko BTFOs “Relax, God is in Control.”

>>535132

Some Orthodox anon posted this once and it was a riveting listen. What do you think of it, anon?

>>535281

I’m not orthodox, but I’ve been working my way through Hopko’s whole podcast series. I not only agree with his position, but find it the most compelling explanation for the co-existence of a good God and the reality of evil. God is doing the best He can with what He has: a physical world, with physical laws and physical realities, and human beings who have real free will.

You cannot have love without free will. The beloved must have the ability to reject the lover, or his choice to love is not real, and neither is the love.

God, based on his foreknowledge, knowing what human beings will do with their free will, makes His plan. I have never heard a compelling argument to support the counter position (that we don’t have free will, but God is still good). And don’t even come at me with vessels for wrath and all that Calvinist stuff…it’s completly incoherent with the clear weight of scripture which tells us we must choose and that we will be judged based on what we have done.

If God is in control, then why there is one billion muslims

checkmate christians

>>535485

I’m currently in the Anglican Church in North America. I’m sitting tight on the “via media” until God opens the path for me to either the Catholic Church (whether Roman or Eastern Orthodox, I don’t know).

>>535508

> I’m sitting tight on the “via media” until God opens the path for me to either the Catholic Church (whether Roman or Eastern Orthodox, I don’t know).

In future hopes, what do you think will happen? Where is your thinking currently falling upon?

>>535491

cause he hates sand-niggers, chinks and pretty much anyone who isn't white, latino or super-Saharan african

>>535557

>he hates what he made

nice logic there redneck

>>535560

He does, see Isaiah 45:7 KJV

>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Along with 1 Peter 3:11

>Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.

Clearly God created both good and evil. But yet hates his creation of evil.

>>535562

>I make peace, and create evil:

nice logic there "god"

>>535563

1 corinthians 1:20-23

>Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

>For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that beleive.

>For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

>But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness

If you beleive not then get out.

>>535564

Evil is not good, but God saw everything He made was very good, ergo God does not properly create evil. Many translations render it as woe, calamity, disaster, etc. But not properly evil as we understand evil to mean.

>>535566

>God saw everything He made 'was very good

>was

There's your keywords man. See Romans 3:10-11

>As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

>There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

>They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one

Also see Romans 8:8

>So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Again in Job 34:15

>All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again to dust.

And again in Mark 13:20

>And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elects sake, whome he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

I can keep going if you like.

>>535578

>>Was is the keyword

Yes, God made everything and everything was good. So that stuff was good, and it may not be good at some future point, but everything that God created we can be sure was good. This also means that God cannot properly make evil as we understand evil, for everything God made was good, and if God made evil, then not everything God made was good. Again, many translations render it as calamity, disaster, woe, etc but not evil because evil as we understand it to mean is not what God makes. I don't understand the point of the verses you cited, how are any of them relevant to whether God makes evil or not?