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10bda9 No.524267

24 Jesus said to them, “Aren’t you mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven. 26

I have read that Marriage was conceived because of death; that is, when the father dies, his children must be taken care of in the future (by marriage) and that the father's lineage is passed down through his children.

Jesus said that when the saved are raised from the dead, they'll be like the Angels in heaven and marriage wouldn't exist (because there will be no more death). I have a few questions concerning this:

1) Will the Christians be asexual? Are the Angels considered asexual or are they male or female? Genesis 6:2 seems to support that some angels were able to reproduce.

2) Although there will be no marriage in Heaven, will there be any female/male relationships like in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?

Q3) If Q2 is true, will reproduction still exist? Will the new Earth become overpopulated if it is?

I don't think these questions relate to salvation but I have found them interesting for quite some time and I was hoping for some input from /Christian/

be365c No.524274

>>524267

>1) Will the Christians be asexual? Are the Angels considered asexual or are they male or female? Genesis 6:2 seems to support that some angels were able to reproduce.

If they were able to (BIG "if") it would have been a test. There are no female angels mentioned in the Bible.

>2) Although there will be no marriage in Heaven, will there be any female/male relationships like in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?

That time will be past, as we will be even more like God.

>Q3) If Q2 is true, will reproduction still exist? Will the new Earth become overpopulated if it is?

In the Millennial Reign, if that prophecy is indeed literal, those surviving the Tribulation will have families, but the saints who are martyred and the other righteous dead and the rightrous living will not be glorified until the whole universe is remade 1,000 years later.


be365c No.524276

>>524274

Correction: I meant to say that only the Tribulation martyrs will be in the first resurrection, the others will be in the second. Sorry for the confusion.


10bda9 No.524279

>>524274

Thank you for the input. I would imagine God would want us to become more like him.


67e261 No.525058

>I have read that Marriage was conceived because of death; that is, when the father dies, his children must be taken care of in the future (by marriage) and that the father's lineage is passed down through his children.

Bullshit. Marriage has for its principal end the begetting and rearing of children. And this common also to Animals.

But for its secondary end, as the Philosopher says (Ethic. viii, 12), it has, among men alone, the community of works that are a necessity of life.

Furthermore it has another end, as regards marriage between believers, namely the signification of Christ and the Church: and thus the "sacrament" is said to be a marriage good.

>1) Will the Christians be asexual?

Kinda. Sexulaity is not esential for being man. But they would have bodies and thus sex.

>Are the Angels considered asexual or are they male or female?

They are pure spirits. No body, no sex.

>Genesis 6:2 seems to support that some angels were able to reproduce.

It's about lines of Cain and Seth, not angels. Angels don't have bodies.

>2) Although there will be no marriage in Heaven, will there be any female/male relationships like in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?

No.

Also. There would not be marriage in heaven because there will be but one marriage - between Christ and his bride. And we, the Church, are his bride.


853e6a No.525149

>>524267

>Genesis 6:2 seems to support that some angels were able to reproduce.

Oh, here we go again… Weer you reading book of Enoch again?


662626 No.525194

does this mean my wife won't be with me in heaven? Or at least, she won't be my wife, but we will still be together


c3b895 No.525196

>>525194

You will know each other as family, but not the same as husband/wife.


ec0047 No.525311

File: 4dd845e92df3e44⋯.jpg (47.7 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, welp.jpg)

>mfw I posted about this awhile ago

>mfw I said I believed marriage and sexuality existed

>mfw I promised a curious guy I would explain my arguments

>mfw researching this topic exploded what I need write times a billion

>mfw I might as well jump off the deep end

>mfw this the same face as last time

>I have read that Marriage was conceived because of death

No, that's the common assumption among careless commentators who "analyze" this passage. They merely say, "well, we don't die, so we don't need to reproduce anymore. Therefore no marriage." And that's the end of most talk of this subject. Marriage and child-rearing was created first and foremost to complete the image of a triune God (see Genesis 1:27). Marriage also glorifies God by helping us, when we are married, to focus less and less on ourselves in every part of life, something mere friendship or brotherhood cannot do. The Lord seeks children from marriage (Malachi 2:13-16), first to fill the Earth (), second to forever expand His government (), and third to have more people to behold His glory and to receive His love (). Finally, God has added the purpose of marriage to imitate the gospel by showing Christ' love for the church and vice versa (Ephesians 5:32). While there are tertiary purposes related to sin and death, those purposes are not essential to marriage nor God's eternal intention, contra the many commentators on the Sadducean question.

>when the father dies, his children must be taken care of in the future (by marriage) and that the father's lineage is passed down through his children.

That's not marriage as God created it. That's a special form called levirate marriage. It's purpose was only for the ancient Israelites to ensure a stable lineage to ensure certain attributes of the coming Messiah. In fact, Boaz and Ruth, ancestors of Christ, practiced levirarte marriage even though Boaz was not technically Naomi's brother-in-law. because Christ has come,

>1) Will the Christians be asexual? Are the Angels considered asexual or are they male or female? Genesis 6:2 seems to support that some angels were able to reproduce.

No, God made man, male and female; if He promises to raise man, He will raise man, male and female. Christ was not asexual after rising from the grave.

Angels are sexual, though there is only one reference to female angels: Zechariah 5:5-11. You're right to say Genesis 6:2 supports, especially if we consider that the angels who went after women first lust after them. You cannot abuse something that you don't have, so if they were not sexual they could not "see that the daughters of man were beautiful" i.e. lust.

>2) Although there will be no marriage in Heaven, will there be any female/male relationships like in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?

First, Jesus didn't say "no marriage". There's as word specifically for marriage as an institution in the Greek, but Christ only used the verbs for getting married and be given. Also, He (nor the Sadducees for that matter) did not use the language typical of discussing the institution as a whole ("one flesh", "man and wife", covenants, etc).

To answer this fully, I need to looooooooonnnnggggg post and will only do that if you really want to hear my thoughts.

>3)If Q2 is true, will reproduction still exist? Will the new Earth become overpopulated if it is?

I'll shoot while I wait for your response to above. Since I don't accept the main premise of 2) (marriage won't exist), obviously baby-making will still happen. How the new Earth will avoid overpopulated, though I do know for sure that it will not become overpopulated. There might be space travel, who knows until we get to that point. All I know is Jesus is there in the flesh, and life in the resurrection includes all the good parts of this life (including marriage), plus much, much more forever, so we should all want to be there.


e80fbb No.525341

>>525311

>Zechariah 5:5-11

Eeehhhhh, it never states that the winged women are angels. On top of that, angels are never described as being winged, unlike the Cherubim and Seraphim.


04da74 No.525737

>>525311

Not him but I would like to see your take on the status of marriage in this context - would you mind posting it?


c89bdb No.525944

>>525311

I would be interested


ec0047 No.526069

Hey, does anyone know the character limit for each post on 8chan? I want to be able to separate these posts in an orderly fashion.


c89bdb No.526076


42d803 No.530035

I really want a wife.

The woman I fell in love with doesn't want to know me.

I want a wife in heaven.

At least nobody will feel the need for one when they get there.


3f994a No.530215

Generally speaking I think there are two possibilities:

If sex is inherently sinful and tied with man's carnal mortality, then once you get into heaven you will no longer either crave it or feel such a need caused from separation from others (loneliness).

If sex is not sinful and is in fact, part of God's plan for mankind, then yes you will have both it and gender distinctions in the afterlife.

Obviously I don't know which of these two positions are correct, but I do think either one of them is. In my opinion the state of grace with God is also the state of the abolition of all worldly desires, although I think I might be misguided on that point.


42d803 No.530281

>>530215

Or 3;

If there is neither male or female in Jesus Christ, and we are like angels in heaven, nobody is married and nobody has sex.


ec0047 No.539763

File: 79086129d8eb205⋯.jpg (20.13 KB, 225x225, 1:1, what will I do.jpg)

>>525311

Hey guys, sorry about the necro-bump a month later. I'm trying my hardest to write down this long darn explanation after handling everything else in life, my job, my school work, my volunteer work at church. I might just start a new thread once I'm done, because it might take another month to write the full posts out. Till then, God bless.

>>530281

I will answer this in the mean time. You are abusing a verse in Galatians that only applies to salvation, not to the metaphysics and ontology of humans now or in the afterlife. Second, read the Luke version carefully, it says we are only like angels (see Genesis 6:2 anyways) in that we don't die.


0d1fad No.539780

>>524274

>There are no female angels mentioned in the Bible

Aquinas implied that they were gender-bending traps (old succubi-incubi theory)

But sons of God in genesis are descendents of Set, not Angels.


a6e98e No.539883

angels are composed from a male and female soul


853e6a No.539885

File: 945e1b0bb7e3559⋯.jpg (87.27 KB, 257x410, 257:410, Set.jpg)

>>539780

>descendents of Set

This guy comes in my mind, when I hear his name


22f752 No.539931

>>530035

If you want a wife for any other reason than for creating a stable, loving environment to raise children with then you don't really want a wife. You want a long-term girlfriend who has to jump through legal hoops to break up with you.

Marriages are about the family, nothing more. People can argue that childless couples are equally as valid as a man and wife with children but it's ultimately MUCH more tragic when a father of 2 is killed or removed from his children's life through divorce than when 2 childless people decide to separate because their sex life isn't good anymore. Clearly these two marriages aren't equal because the effect on society that their dissolution has is not equal.

Marriage is, and has always been, primarily for the security of your children. Full stop.


69aa82 No.539933

>>539780

Or rather he said that demons who are naturally asexual (for surprise, you cannot have sex while being spiritual being) can gather dust and light out of air and appear to humans as male or female and lie with them and even collect sperm to impregante women.


14bfe4 No.544011

>>525058

>no

Would not that lead to the same situation of Adam being lonely without a woman?

Why do you think there would be no male/female relationships?


cfe63c No.544031

>>544011

>Would not that lead to the same situation of Adam being lonely without a woman?

No, for we will be unto Second and Last Adam who was virgin.

>Why do you think there would be no male/female relationships?

For Christ tells us this:

For when they shall rise again from the dead, they shall neither marry, nor be married, but are as the angels in heaven.

Are you presume that suddenly eternal moral law would be vain and sixth commandment vanish and suddenly adultery will be a-ok?


037f07 No.544053

>>539780

But In other points in the Bible angels are called sons of God


fad8eb No.544335

>>544031

>Are you presume that suddenly eternal moral law would be vain and sixth commandment vanish and suddenly adultery will be a-ok?

>Until death do us part


de8263 No.544349

>>544335

>This suddenly means it's a-ok to fuck outside of marriage

Also, "until death do us a part" have any supernatural meaning only in context of Sacrament of Marriage that Paul spoke about. And this alone prooves that there will be no marriage after judgment. For Marriage stands for Christ and his Church but after judgment there will be Church and Christ in persons.


fad8eb No.544402

>>544349

You miss my point. I'm talking about marriage ending upon your death or the death of your spouse in the physical world.


de8263 No.544406

>>544402

Yes. I do to.

Answer me this, is sex legal outside of marriage according to eternal moral law? Quick shot, yes or not.


fad8eb No.544409

>>544406

No, but where did I claim sex outside of marriage is OK?


de8263 No.544459

>>544409

When you tried to defend claim that will be male/female relationship after Resurrection. For there is only five kinds of relation between male and female. Of kindred, of enmity, of friendship, of fellowship and of love. One for hatred and one for each kind of love. But hate and three kinds of love (philia, agape and storge) are notdistinctly male/female relationships and as such cannot be matter of this discussion more than "Can I be friend with Judas Maccabaeus in Heaven" or "Is Paul still prays for salvation of Israel" or "Are we going to be perfected in Love of God" etc.

This leaves us only properly distinguish male-female relationship, that is, eros. And Eros is lawful and good only when there is natural marriage (that is male and female take matrimonial vows, or have real intention to do it, with intention of keeping them till death). Every other instance of eros outside of marriage is unlawful and sinful. Morover, Christians cannot live with natural marriage but as Icon and Sacrament of union of Christ and his Church, Christian marriage must be sacramental. But there will be no mariage in heaven and thus we counclude, there will be no eros (which in itself is marelly icon of agape).

Disclaimer: love of any kind is not feeling, it's a choice


fad8eb No.544949

>>544459

You're confusing me with another anon. My point was that the bonds of marriage dissolve upon death. You seem to think I'm disagreeing with you for some reason.


833acc No.545012

>>544949

>You're confusing me with another anon

Mea culpa.

>My point was that the bonds of marriage dissolve upon death.

Well I do to.

>You seem to think I'm disagreeing with you for some reason.

Reason is that you quoted me and then quoted classical "Sed contra"


4b6cb6 No.545022

>>544053

Nope, thats only in book of Job and even this interpretation is doubtful sometimes. Even fundamentalist literalist such as S. Anderson (salallahu alayhi wa salam) disagrees. Beyond that "Sons of God" denote Humans, like in Psalm 82:

>I have said, ye are gods, and all of you are sons of most high

Though at some parts, it is even more concrete and does not only say about Humans in General, but about Israelites, being paralleled with "Sons of Israel"

In genesis, it denotes righteous, believing decedents of Set not this guy>>539885 And distinction between "sons of Man" and "sons of God" doesnt mean that they werent humans, as this type of distinction is common in the bible, as for example in book of Judges where it is said " And the men of Israel went out to battle against Benjamin", despite that Benjamin was also of Israel.




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