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UUUU | Freedom Front

File: 0775b8eabbd0fa7⋯.jpg (39.13 KB, 600x330, 20:11, 1460210379150.jpg)

 No.141374

Let's delve into the deeper meaning of this brilliant scene, line-by-line.

"Dr. Pavel. I'm CIA."

This line, of course, not only reveals Bill Wilson's true name of CIA, but is also symbolic. Obsessed with work, CIA has let his job consume him and define his identity.

 No.141375

"He wasn't alone."

Masketta man means this as a statement about the present situation and as a general statement. He is telling CIA Dr. Pavel was with Bane's men, and trying to convince the lonely doctor he does, indeed, have friends.


 No.141376

"Uh, you don't get to bring friends."

CIA sees what Masketta is trying to do, so he uses the word 'friends' to reassure Dr. Pavel he has people who care about him. Still, he's not going to let extra people on his aircraft, for he respects the flight plan.


 No.141377

"They are not my friends."

Dr. Pavel is a lonely man. He has convinced himself nobody in the world cares about him, not even the hired guns who went through so much effort to grab him.


 No.141378

>>141374

"Don't worry, no charge for them."

Masketta Man is telling CIA that friendship is priceless and isn't worth any intrinsic monetary value.


 No.141381

>>141378

I took it to mean Masketta wants CIA to let them onto the plane but doesn't want to use the B-word right away, because he knows it will get him overexcited. So, he tries to appeal to CIA's frugality.


 No.141382

"And, why would I want them?"

CIA isn't having it. He holds the Flight Plan sacred and values it above his personal wealth and comfort. There's only one thing that will convince him to let these big guys on board…


 No.141384

"They work for the mercenary. The Masketta Man."

Masketta is being tricky here. He doesn't want the higher-ups to know he revealed this information, so he's technically not telling CIA.

When he says "The Masketta Man" he's saying it in a way that sounds like "The Masked Man" but is actually claiming these men work for him. CIA, in his excitement, will hear it as "The Masked Man" and be fooled.


 No.141385

"Bane?"

CIA's neck bulged as he asks this. It's clear he has an obsession with this man that approaches homo-eroticism. Every other thing on his mind, even the Flight Plan, was forgotten in this moment.


 No.141386

"I."

Masketta is taking an extra level of caution here. By saying "I" but making it sound like "Aye" he can pretend to be confirming CIA's suspicions, but if he's questioned about it later on he can say he was actually correcting CIA with "I" as in, "No, I'm the one they work for."


 No.141387

"Get 'em on board. I'll call Ittin!"

CIA has been fooled. He's acting like he'll call Ittin to tell him to adjust the Flight Plan, but he really just wants to brag about catching Bane.

"The Flight Plan Ijuss filed with The Agent C lists Smee, Maimen, Dr. Pavel here, Button Lee, Juan Avyu."

CIA got so excited he forgot he told Masketta he would all Ittin, not Ijuss. Clearly, he didn't adjust the Flight Plan and even if he did he forgot to list himself in the updated version. The outdated version that has been filed likely lists CIA, his men, Dr. Pavel, and only one of Pavel's friends.

"First one to talk gets to stay on my aircraft."

CIA doesn't realize there are other methods of solving this. Some of the passengers could perform the Fusion Dance and become one, decreasing the number of people on ZS-NVB for a short time. However, in order to fix his own mistakes he immediately resorts to violence.


 No.141393

>>141387

“Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel!?!”

CIA is trying to run misdirection. At this point he is more focused on Bane, but he has to make a show to his men that he at least cares about Dr. Pavel. Alternatively, he is trying to establish why these men tried to grab his prize, and who in addition to Bane is pulling their strings.

“He didn’t fly so good, who wants to try next?”

Here CIA is flexing his finely honed skills as an interrogator. As these bagged men have no way of knowing that CIA has not in fact executed their colleague, they may be more willing to divulge the information CIA is actually seeking.


 No.141409

File: 40621d815a779c6⋯.png (80.61 KB, 248x268, 62:67, XGZarkmPNevl8x5FSUPU05LPt9….png)

>>141387

>"The Flight Plan Ijuss filed with The Agent C lists Smee, Maimen, Dr. Pavel here, Button Lee, Juan Avyu."

>The outdated version that has been filed likely lists CIA, his men, Dr. Pavel, and only one of Pavel's friends.

This doesn't add up, nowhere in his sentence does CIA mention himself being listed as part of the flight plan. How could he forget?


 No.141410

>Tell me about Bane! Why does he wear the mask?

Here the narrative seems to be inconsistent. CIA already knows about Bane, but still asks for information about him. Is this a contradiction? No. It is a reflection of CIA's homoerotic obsession with his target; it is both a possessive lust to know as much as possible about Bane, and at the same time a jealous rage against those who may even know more about his target than he does.

CIA also poses the question "Why does he wear the mask?" to the prisoner. This can be interpreted literally, as Bane does indeed wear a mask. However, it is also a question which goes right to the heart of what it means to be human, for each of us in our daily lives wear a mask to conceal who we really are, and present ourself to others in different ways. This is a facet of our nature which has been noted since ancient Graeco-Roman times - the notion of the "personality" (a term derived from the Latin word "persona", meaning "mask"). The question therefore takes on eminently psychological and philosophical dimensions.

>Lotta loyalty for a hired gun

At this point, CIA is clearly frustrated, as the mercenaries in his power are not prepared to yield to threats of death or torture.

Here, Nolan is inverting the ancient trope, found in the works of great philosophers such as Plato, Aristotle and Machiavelli, about the apparent unworthiness and unreliability of mercenaries as a fighting force. According to these eminent philosophers, a mercenary's fealty is notoriously dubious, since they only seek payment, and are incapable of lasting loyalty to their paymasters. Now, they are depicted as being loyal to their cause to the bitter end.

Contrast this, too, with the actions of CIA, a man acting in the loyal service of his own government, but using crude and brutal methods to try to induce his prisoners to talk, methods which are both illegal according to national and international law, and also incompatible with the values of justice and order publicly espoused by his own country.


 No.141411

>>141409

It's just a film writer covering up for his ignorance by using an official sounding phrase like "flight plan". In actual fact the pilot files the flight plan, not the passenger. Perhaps they wanted to obfuscate the actual CIA procedure for communicating with aviation authorities or, more likely, they didn't bother to research it and just made up some quasi plausible hollywood gobbledygook.

You also do not list passengers on a flight plan, it's for communicating your aircraft type and your intentions to a regional air controller who can make sure that you get to your destination safely. ATC doesn't care if you have 5 passengers or none. It's only concerned with you not crashing your plane with no survivors. CIA may have notified his superiors (Assuming there are any big guys who feel more in charge than him) that he was bringing the people on his "flight plan" but I can assure you that this conveyance of information is in no way part of any real world aviation related procedure or requirement.

This is what is called "Phoning it in" in writing jargon. Maybe there's some deeper subtext in that the writer knew he was phoning it in so he communicates this, subtly, by suggesting that CIA "phoned in" his flight plan.

t.person with experience in IRL aviation and flight plans.


 No.141428

>>141411

But this flight plan was filed with the Agent C, not an air controller.


 No.141431

File: e28a59c44e7a3c2⋯.png (254.45 KB, 1004x1776, 251:444, wew.png)

I remember there was a Genius transcript for the Plane Scene and I thought to myself that it wasn't in-depth enough so I went and made my own (at some point I stopped but I was meaning to go back and finish it I've just been so damn busy I haven't gotten to it in a WHOLE YEAR).

Link to view:

https://genius.com/Christopher-nolan-and-jonathan-nolan-the-dark-knight-rises-opening-scene-annotated

Pic related to show how in-depth I was going with it.


 No.141436

>>141409

He forgot because he was so focused on Bane. It's also symbolic of how CIA has become so obsessed with catching Bane he has lost his identity. He forgot to list himself because has no sense of self.

>>141431

This is pretty good.

>>141393

>>141410

I think the reason he stayed silent when asked "Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?" wasn't out of loyalty for Bane. His silence means he wasn't paid by anyone. By remaining silent, he's saying he cares enough about Pavel he's willing to grab him for no charge.

Perhaps he actually could fly, and so when CIA said "He didn't fly so good!" he gave away the fact he didn't throw him out the plane.


 No.141437

>>141410

>Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.

At first glance, this doesn't quite make sense. Bane suggested he's wondering why CIA is doing this, not that he's seen through his ruse and is suspicious. Why should him wondering about Amon mean he's not able to answer CIA?

I think Bane is trying to subtly tell CIA to respect the man's mental disorder. He seems to be incapable of talking or doing anything else when deep in contemplation, so since he's so busy wondering he couldn't answer CIA even if he wanted to.


 No.141861

CIA

Crashing

In

Action

THE PLAN REVEALS ITSELF




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