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UUUU | Freedom Front

File: b1776219ad9cbfe⋯.jpg (107.55 KB, 640x480, 4:3, buddhastatue.jpg)

 No.130467

I wonder how the fire, the plane and the plane are connected to the teachings of Buddhism. There are these parts from the pali canon on Nibbana:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sacca/sacca3/nibbana.html

What happens to one who has fully realized Nibbana?

[Aggivessana Vacchagotta:] "But, Master Gotama, the monk whose mind is thus released: Where does he reappear?"

[The Buddha:] "'Reappear,' Vaccha, doesn't apply."

"In that case, Master Gotama, he does not reappear."

"'Does not reappear,' Vaccha, doesn't apply."

"…both does & does not reappear."

"…doesn't apply."

"…neither does nor does not reappear."

"…doesn't apply."

"How is it, Master Gotama, when Master Gotama is asked if the monk reappears… does not reappear… both does & does not reappear… neither does nor does not reappear, he says, '…doesn't apply' in each case. At this point, Master Gotama, I am befuddled; at this point, confused. The modicum of clarity coming to me from your earlier conversation is now obscured."

"Of course you're befuddled, Vaccha. Of course you're confused. Deep, Vaccha, is this phenomenon, hard to see, hard to realize, tranquil, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. For those with other views, other practices, other satisfactions, other aims, other teachers, it is difficult to know. That being the case, I will now put some questions to you. Answer as you see fit. What do you think, Vaccha: If a fire were burning in front of you, would you know that, 'This fire is burning in front of me'?"

"…yes…"

"And suppose someone were to ask you, Vaccha, 'This fire burning in front of you, dependent on what is it burning?' Thus asked, how would you reply?"

"…I would reply, 'This fire burning in front of me is burning dependent on grass & timber as its sustenance.'"

"If the fire burning in front of you were to go out, would you know that, 'This fire burning in front of me has gone out'?"

"…yes…"

"And suppose someone were to ask you, 'This fire that has gone out in front of you, in which direction from here has it gone? East? West? North? Or south?' Thus asked, how would you reply?"

"That doesn't apply, Master Gotama. Any fire burning dependent on a sustenance of grass and timber, being unnourished — from having consumed that sustenance and not being offered any other — is classified simply as 'out' (unbound)."

"Even so, Vaccha, any physical form by which one describing the Tathagata would describe him: That the Tathagata has abandoned, its root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Freed from the classification of form, Vaccha, the Tathagata is deep, boundless, hard to fathom, like the sea. 'Reappears' doesn't apply. 'Does not reappear' doesn't apply. 'Both does & does not reappear' doesn't apply. 'Neither reappears nor does not reappear' doesn't apply.

"Any feeling… Any perception… Any mental fabrication…

"Any consciousness by which one describing the Tathagata would describe him: That the Tathagata has abandoned, its root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Freed from the classification of consciousness, Vaccha, the Tathagata is deep, boundless, hard to fathom, like the sea."

 No.130468

File: 6a80271c023cf32⋯.jpg (73.47 KB, 640x437, 640:437, Buddha-Sculpture-Huading-T….jpg)

The end of samsara

Some are born in the human womb,

evildoers in hell,

those on the good course go

to heaven,

while those without effluent:

totally unbound.


 No.130469

So if reaching Nibbana is extinguishing the fire that is a person, then I think the Plane Scene is about Bane ascending into the realm of asuras where he will struggle even more. Meanwhile CIA will go to hell because he acted very unskinfully in all of his actions. But what about Juan? He seemed to be calm and content, like somebody who is free of all the struggling around him. Maybe he was an enlightened person?


 No.130470

wtf is this nazi shit reported


 No.130471

And why would I want this?


 No.130472

And why would I want this?


 No.130486

>>130472

They work for the Enlightened One… the Buddhatta Man.


 No.130490

>>130486

Siddhartha?


 No.130532

Underrated thread.

>>130469

>Bane ascending into the realm of asuras where he will struggle even more

Bane might already be an asura himself. Asura's are said to have 3 faces and while we can't clearly see what's underneath the mask, it could be symbolic on Bravo Nolan's part about how Bane wore a sack over his head and had a mask obscuring parts of his face. Another trait Bane has with asura's is that they share traits like being falseness and wrathful, both traits being shown better in the post credits scene during a fight with the basement dwelling furry about how he could see past theatrics and break aforementioned furry.

>What about Juan? He seemed to be calm and content, like somebody who is free of all the struggling around him

I don't believe Juan actually managed to reach Nirvana, as he was reaching for the harness to escape the plane. It's said when someone reaches Nirvana that they'll be free from wanting and suffering, implying that Juan still wanted to live and was very fearful of the pain of dying. Bane cements this fact by saying that the fire rises when Juan asks about it, which I feel was very heavyhanded on Nolan's part.


 No.130533

File: a8b2e992b4f3be6⋯.png (136.87 KB, 1231x1360, 1231:1360, 1443490921327.png)

>>130467

This is my kind of thread.


 No.130538

>>130469

The person who has truly reached Nirvana is beyond birth and death, somebody who's completely outside the cycle of rebirth: outside of the asura realm, the deva realm, the human realm, etc. Somebody whose purpose is to point the way, to a state that's entirely outside of preconceptions, duality, clinging, constructed narratives, and even time/causality itself.

Who else but the man himself, Bravo Nolan?


 No.130545

File: b8958f4573be829⋯.png (272.27 KB, 400x300, 4:3, b8958f4573be829468b16cabd5….png)

Baneposting and Buddism at first glance seem to have opposing goals. Baneposting is about fire raising, extreme pain, crashing planes, grabbing prizes, conflicts between plans and being in charge. Buddism on the other hand runs contrary to this as it's about trying to seek enlightenment to snuff out the fire, being free from pain, material need and free from conflict. Normally you'd think Baneposting and Buddism are completely contrary to each other until you realize that they have a similar goal in mind: getting hotheads out of here.


 No.130550

File: 7947677bad6f842⋯.jpg (69.14 KB, 250x353, 250:353, 1438972950420.jpg)

To be free of suffering, is to not have a hot head.

The one of cool head, is a big guy.

The big guy raises the fire.


 No.130553


 No.130583

>>130553

When asked "Have we started the fire?", The Big Guy said: "The fire rises".

What did he mean by that, then?


 No.130592

>>130583

When Juan asks if "we have started the fire," he asks this as a layperson; a worldling who only knows how to chase the fleeting pleasures of life without giving it proper thought. The "we" refers to the other beings that have not comprehended the dharma, that excludes the Tathagata, of course.

When Bane responds with "yes," he is confirming Juan's sudden insight: it is through our own delusion, ill will, and greed that we keep the fire of sensuality endlessly rising.


 No.130817

File: 6e5c385bdfc9671⋯.gif (613.42 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 1450543404752.gif)

Reincarnation in Buddhism is called the 8 Noble Truths but it can also be translated as the 8 Paths to Pain. The Right View, Right Resolve, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Mindfulness and Right Concentration.

Now, if you took notice of CIA's actions during The Plane Scene you could see he had not mastered any of the paths; CIA not getting up after Bane punches him, his unwholesome and boastful mockery of the Master Plan, his disregard for his men's warning about the approaching Plane giving chase and according to the novelization CIA's interest in grabbing Dr. Pavel was he wanted to get a promotion. Hence, why Bane forewarned CIA about his upcoming death and how he'd return to being alive and never escape the pain. The Flight Plan, The Wreckage Brother crashing and CIA's death is a never ending cycle of pain and Bill Wilson will never escape it.

>It'll be extremely painful-

>You're a big guy!

>-for you.


 No.130819

>>130817

Correction:

"It would be extremely painful."

"You're a big guy."

"For you."

It's big guy for you.


 No.130823

File: 84e76587a3e7d51⋯.png (197.04 KB, 414x496, 207:248, C.I.Eh.png)


 No.130855

>>130823

Do you actually think it's "painful for you"?


 No.130856

File: 3befbd577a088d0⋯.png (309.11 KB, 564x748, 141:187, Uh.png)

>>130855

>Implying you actually think DKR has only one possible interpretation/ layer of meaning.




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