5d14c7 No.2269294
♥ Official Scootalooo Thread ♥
Old Fags Premium Pass Edition.
>non-Pass holders won't see the extra pictures.
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06f07e No.2269302
>expect 3rei++
>get prequel
this was fine too
e0a3a5 No.2269304
Why do i wake up exhausted
e0951b No.2269305
>>2269304
dreams keeping you in motion.
e0a3a5 No.2269306
>>2269305
I am a violent sleeper
e0951b No.2269307
>>2269306
do you have much on your mind?
e0951b No.2269309
>>2269308
that combined with a light sleep from napping during the day + noises not enough to wake you. will do it then.
06f07e No.2269310
>>2269304
Download Sleep as Android.
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2f6335 No.2269312
Inb4 i should be using some built in time constants or methods
06f07e No.2269313
std::this_thread::sleep_for(std::chrono::milliseconds(x));
dcbe79 No.2269314
>>2269309
So how did you find this place, spider bro.
e0951b No.2269315
>>2269314
it's not like it's a secret club hidden away under hushes and rumor.
dcbe79 No.2269316
>>2269315
It is fairly out of the way, tho.
b3bca7 No.2269317
>>2269302
yukishita no chikai?
thats been out for a while
b3bca7 No.2269318
>>2269316
its literally on the front page of 8chan
06f07e No.2269319
>>2269317
I have a tendency for procrastination.
dcbe79 No.2269320
>>2269318
Quite the accomplishment.
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e0951b No.2269322
>>2269316
I get what yee saying. but I looked awhile ago for these kinda places after /ssft/ died.
b3bca7 No.2269323
>>2269319
>>2269319
i thought you meant a new one
06f07e No.2269324
>>2269321
https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/chrono/duration
You'll get days, weeks, months and years too in C++20.
>>2269323
Is there a new one?
dcbe79 No.2269325
>>2269322
What's /ssft/?
Also, I wouldn't recommend wasting time here. What do you do for a living/study? I assume it involves spiders. Spiders are cool.
e0951b No.2269326
>>2269325
it was the board for /sft/. and no I don't do anything for a living. so any time wasting doesn't really matter in the long haul.
06f07e No.2269328
>>2269327
That's gonna be more waiting then.
NGNL Zero is also a prequel smh
dcbe79 No.2269329
>>2269326
Ahh, unemployed. We've all been there. What do you do in your spare time? Also I don't know what that community is. I will assume something involving furries.
e0951b No.2269330
>>2269329
no it was just another avatarfagging circle jerk like this one tbh. only under the pretense of video games.
dcbe79 No.2269331
>>2269330
Thrilling. So, what exactly do you get out of this community? I've seen more than a few people go gay/transsexual/insane from it.
06f07e No.2269332
>>2269330
It's all circlejerk deep down.
e0951b No.2269333
>>2269331
practice and refinements.
>>2269332
you'd be surprised just how true that is.
dcbe79 No.2269334
>>2269333
Well, I mean, clearly there's something wrong with you if you're posting weird drawings of spiders with human penises. But if you're looking to become normal, or at least trick people into believing you're normal, then buddy you've come to the wrong place.
b3bca7 No.2269335
>>2269328
the konosuba movie will be a prequel too :^)
e0951b No.2269336
>>2269334
do you think that's what I'm here for like?
06f07e No.2269337
>>2269335
wtf does japan have issues with continuation
dcbe79 No.2269338
>>2269336
My best guess is you've got aspergers with a little ADHD sprinkled in. Chan sites are like slot machines. You don't know what the next post to appear will be or what the state of conversation will be like. It's like crack for neuroatypical people.
e0951b No.2269339
>>2269338
I could see that.
dcbe79 No.2269340
>>2269339
What sort of music do you like, kid?
dcbe79 No.2269341
I don't know why I asked. Obviously you exclusively listen to Spiderbait.
b3bca7 No.2269342
>>2269337
We don't, Sazae-san is the longest running animation in the world
e0951b No.2269343
>>2269341
with minimal effort. they look like a typical sellout band. however I listen to whatever takes my fancy mostly.
06f07e No.2269344
>>2269342
>Sazae-san
> October 5, 1969 – present
dcbe79 No.2269346
>>2269343
Their cover of black Betty is a banger tho.
06f07e No.2269347
>>2269345
What's the GOAT anime this season?
e0951b No.2269348
>>2269346
had alittle listen to that and it didn't seem bad.
dcbe79 No.2269349
>>2269348
Gimmie a couple bands you like and I'll hit you with some real shit nigga.
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b3bca7 No.2269352
>>2269347
too early to say
e0951b No.2269353
>>2269349
Iron maiden.
Gorilaz.
06f07e No.2269354
>>2269352
Eh. Bleh.
So what do you usually do?
2f6335 No.2269355
>>2269351
Not as gay as c++ tho
b3bca7 No.2269356
>>2269354
Imageboards, anime, manga, doujins and visual novels mostly
06f07e No.2269358
>>2269356
So like a professional NEET otaku?
dcbe79 No.2269360
>>2269353
I mean, Iced Earth's self titled album is a good springboard off something like iron maiden. Then there's always megadeth or Sleep. But gorillaz is pretty obsolete at this point. They're just copying better artists.
dcbe79 No.2269361
>>2269356
One day you're going to wake up and realise that you're worth absolutely nothing to anybody, and that the fear of death you've repressed so easily in youth will surface in insane bubbling spurts of terror and uncontrollable instincts. And you will regret every breath you've taken, and loathe every day you have yet to live.
And the unconscious stupor your life had constituted, numbed by porn and fantasies, will be cut to pieces by the white got scalpel of suffering and conscious awareness.
Enjoy it while you can.
e0951b No.2269362
>>2269360
Iced Earth is alright. so's megadeth, not heard anything of sleep but easy enough of a fix. well they are a make believe band by the furfaggot of tankgirl and some other guy. I think they typically get different song writers in at times.
b3bca7 No.2269363
>>2269361
im fine thanks, how about yourself?
af079c No.2269364
>>2269361
Imagine typing this
06f07e No.2269365
>>2269359
Hmmm, got any hobbies going?
b3bca7 No.2269366
>>2269365
not anything i didnt already mention
06f07e No.2269367
>>2269366
No games? How the hell
b3bca7 No.2269368
>>2269367
just vns and sometimes cs
06f07e No.2269371
>>2269370
Not a lot of spectacular stuff happenin!
b3bca7 No.2269372
>>2269371
guess not
good night
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2f6335 No.2269374
Oh lord help me i forgot how good shortbread is
>>2269357
Nah
e0951b No.2269375
>>2269374
take it to the next level bro. millionaire shortbread it up
2f6335 No.2269376
>>2269375
No. I shall not jeopardise my shrinking waistline for short term satisfaction. Begone, devil.
2f6335 No.2269377
Oh, im in a cafe btw. The tea came with a quid coin sized shortbread round and i figured at that size it cant hurt much.
e0951b No.2269378
>>2269376
seems like a chain then.
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e0951b No.2269380
>>2269379
or a cafe in a shop or a hotel like.
2f6335 No.2269381
>>2269380
I think its just a local place. Nice brew tho, none of that pg tips shite.
e0951b No.2269382
>>2269381
local place for local people.
2f6335 No.2269383
>>2269382
Well i aint local and this is a tourist place
e0951b No.2269384
>>2269383
WHAT'RE YE DOING LAD.
2f6335 No.2269385
>>2269384
Waiting for a bus i was, now im on it
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e0951b No.2269388
>>2269387
mate. I was making a dad joke there.
2f6335 No.2269389
>>2269388
I'm a touch brain dead today, i figured you were talking about those open roof busses but nah
e0951b No.2269390
>>2269389
it's understandable like. buses tend do that.
2f6335 No.2269391
>>2269390
They do but i dunno. Think ill just make my food, sip a vitamin c drink, and chill when i get home.
e0951b No.2269392
>>2269391
I'm going to just do oven stuffs me self. got any sort of plan with a tan with yours?
2f6335 No.2269393
>>2269392
>plan with a tan
thats a new one
Lamb burger, with plenty of mint mixed into the patty, and garlic mayo sauce covering the buns. Im also gonna want lettuce and tomato in there and a slice of cheddar to coat the burger in as it cooks. Not sure if i should add mint sauce to the garlic mayo.
e0951b No.2269394
>>2269393
keep it separate. the Garlic will cancel out part of the mint and it'd be abit weird as a result.
2f6335 No.2269395
>>2269394
Fair enough, will do
e0951b No.2269396
>>2269395
all in all though it sounds like a better night then what I've got.
61736c No.2269397
Weekly limits on loot in MMOs are retarded.
e0951b No.2269398
>>2269397
it's because south Korean video game laws are retarded.
2f6335 No.2269399
>>2269396
Whats your plan for the evening?
e0951b No.2269400
>>2269399
shove as much as I can onto a oven tray and then OD on bbq sauce.
2f6335 No.2269401
>>2269400
Doesnt sound too bad to me
e0951b No.2269402
>>2269401
trust me it will be.
dcbe79 No.2269403
What's with the spiders with dicks. I literally have to ask.
e0951b No.2269404
what isn't withthe dicks and spiders.
f5104f No.2269405
>>2269403
Seems perfectly normal if you ask me.
f5104f No.2269406
Sometimes I think I should stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just use RPG Maker.
And then I remember I'm way too stubborn for that shit and RPG Maker is too simple to contain my inflated ego.
e0951b No.2269407
>>2269406
it's alot more satisfying to make everything from scratch. specially if you want to understand the process instead of just taking the steps.
7809e3 No.2269408
>>2269406
guess who has a date tonight
f5104f No.2269409
>>2269408
Is it you? Oooh~ ♥ Who's the lucky guy?
>>2269407
Well sure there's that too I guess. Except I learned how to make turn-based RPGs in my chosen engine years ago and have been wasting time refining the process endlessly since.
7809e3 No.2269410
>>2269409
his name is Lewis and he looks like Terry Crews circa White Chicks
i'm really excited
f5104f No.2269411
>>2269410
I'm stoked for you, Loco. I wanna hear all about it after, mm'kay?
61736c No.2269412
Told this guy on Tinder my name is Lewis and I look like Terry Crews.
dcbe79 No.2269413
>>2269404
I'm actually not being sarcastic, I find it genuinely interesting. If you would be willing to give an articulate and honest answer as to why you chose it to represent you in the community I would be appreciative.
7809e3 No.2269414
>>2269411
Yeah. <3
How are you doing?
f5104f No.2269415
>>2269414
My mood rarely rises above a positively inflected "eh" and rarely dips below a long and drawn out "eehhhhhh..."
I exist in a perpetual state of emotional blandness.
7809e3 No.2269416
>>2269415
You should try cocaine.
dcbe79 No.2269417
>>2269415
Maybe try looking for real human contact.
f5104f No.2269419
>>2269416
I feel like this would be a bad idea.
>>2269417
I get enough of that at work without bringing it into my down time as well.
e0951b No.2269420
>>2269409
if you've managed to make something on the level of parasite eve I'd be impressed.
>>2269413
well. back in the day I used to avatar with actual pictures of wolfspiders. me intent for this was that I wanted to get used to spiders but also to gauge just how association effected posters. outside of what I did back then. once /ssft/ died I felt it was time to do and to get drawings of spiders but as to why some of them have dicks top hats or knifes. that's just because I find it amusing and some what fitting.
dcbe79 No.2269421
>>2269418
I know I'm definitely stupid for caring about him, but, how is kanra doing/been doing recently?
dcbe79 No.2269422
>>2269420
Would you say you would feel comfortable explaining this to someone in person, or perhaps a potential partner?
7809e3 No.2269423
>>2269419
mhm.
Maybe weed?
>>2269421
We don't talk a lot. He seems better than he was a year ago, though.
f5104f No.2269425
>>2269420
>3D
I don't have time for that shit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
f5104f No.2269426
>>2269423
Clearly what I'm missing is more videogames.
5d14c7 No.2269427
clearly
we need
more skyrim
todd
e0951b No.2269428
>>2269422
you see I've no problems telling anyone anything. however the problem comes from their intent of wanting to know.
>>2269425
isn't it actually 2.5d?
7809e3 No.2269429
>>2269426
I agree with the anon that you need a girlfriend. you could play videogames together.
f5104f No.2269430
>>2269427
If they could make Skyrim look like my room did when I was trying out psychedelic RCs I would be willing to buy it anbother 3 times.
>>2269428
Who knows? It looked like 3D to me.
>>2269429
I dunno if that's what they actually meant and also I would need to be a not repugnant waste of skin and bone.
dcbe79 No.2269431
>>2269428
I find people interesting, I guess. No ill will intended.
>>2269423
Is he working/studying at least?
7809e3 No.2269432
>>2269430
You can go to the gym and get big.
f5104f No.2269435
>>2269432
Can't exercise my way into a new personality.
7809e3 No.2269436
>>2269435
You'd feel confident if you were hot. You already know how to be kind, so.
4a8f60 No.2269437
>>2269433
Soloing the remaining boss HP is fun though
f5104f No.2269438
>>2269436
Hmm... then the only hurdle left would be the fact I hate pretty much everybody.
e0951b No.2269439
>>2269430
my thought in that suggestion anyways was that you should just try doing something different with the tools you got.
>>2269431
I'm really not interesting as a person tbh. my tales are sad but only because they're pathetic.
61736c No.2269440
>>2269437
>Remaining boss HP
My nigga went in solo.
4a8f60 No.2269441
>>2269440
What an absolute legend
f5104f No.2269442
>>2269440
>>2269433
Did he pull it off?
7809e3 No.2269443
>>2269438
you gotta overcome that to get your dick wet, hun.
dcbe79 No.2269444
>>2269439
Everyone is interesting and pathetic. All of us.
5d14c7 No.2269445
>>2269430
n00b, buy 9 times
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61736c No.2269447
>>2269442
>>2269441
It was a absolute waste of time, but he's a god damn legend for it.
4a8f60 No.2269448
>>2269447
Hey man, when something like that happens you can't even be mad
61736c No.2269449
>>2269448
Honestly it's the stupid shit that makes the game fun.
f5104f No.2269450
>>2269443
And lose my chance at becoming a wizard? Fat chance, boyo.
4a8f60 No.2269451
>>2269449
I miss seeing/doing things like that in MMO's. Haven't played any in quite some time now
e0951b No.2269452
>>2269444
nah people tend to have the same experiences, just interpret it differently.
>>2269446
send halp.
61736c No.2269453
>>2269451
FF14 is the only MMO I play anymore.
Probably the last to be honest. I'm burnt out on these sort of games. FF14 is still pretty fun though.
4a8f60 No.2269457
>>2269453
I burned out really hard on WoW after the new expansion. I was pretty much in the first group of people to get a bunch of achievements, simply because I took time off and spent literally 18 hours every day just playing
4a8f60 No.2269458
By that I mean in the 0.02% of players with the achievement. Lots more have them now though because they only really needed time to get
48b7d0 No.2269459
>>2269457
holy shit that sounds like some classic wow right there, congratulations you revive the stereotypical wow player meme for the new expansion
its like 2007 all over again
61736c No.2269460
>>2269457
I usually play for 2 hours in the morning and maybe an hour at night.
I don't really have much time to do games anymore.
2f6335 No.2269461
>>2269452
The burgers are in the fridge my dude, you have only ro come and get them
e0951b No.2269462
>>2269461
maybe another time.
5d14c7 No.2269463
About to drop £80 on a REAL RPGMMO.
Elder Scrolls Online.
Better that WOW and FF AND MH
61736c No.2269464
If I didn't think Scoots was retarded before I sure do now.
4a8f60 No.2269465
>>2269459
Thanks
I've done it for every expansion since Wrath of the Lich King
>>2269460
I've pretty much just been watching stuff on YouTube and Twitch lately. Kind of lost interest in playing games at the moment
>>2269463
Finally, a REAL gamer
e0951b No.2269466
>playing anything other then EVE online
pops your pod
f5104f No.2269467
>playing anything other than jRPGs
Fucking plebes.
61736c No.2269468
>>2269465
Someday we'll all move on.
5d14c7 No.2269469
>>2269465
I just got home from the gym with 2 4-packs of Monster Ultra.
Time to ProGamer.
4a8f60 No.2269470
Real men play F2P Chinese MMO's and drop 10k/year on it so they can win
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5d14c7 No.2269472
>Not being the true OP and playing Backgammon
4a8f60 No.2269473
>>2269468
Maybe. Or I won't and I'll be more interested in playing games in a bit
>>2269469
Headphones: On
Fingers: cracked
Monster: chugged
Yup, it's gamer time
61736c No.2269474
Real men play with their bros dick.
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5d14c7 No.2269477
This says a lot about our Society.
61736c No.2269479
Sometimes it hurts to know my legacy isn't who I am, but the dog I got railed by.
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61736c No.2269481
I only deal with good boys.
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e0951b No.2269484
bronze is a nicer metal then all the rest of them tbh.
5d14c7 No.2269485
I don't think you made the List, Duke. So it doesn't matter.
f5104f No.2269486
>>2269482
I don't know if I should be as glad as I am about my relatively high placement...
4a8f60 No.2269487
It was more after the context of what was said and a pastebin was posted
4a8f60 No.2269488
Better than the list Erio made that I was on
5d14c7 No.2269489
For those placed high. Congrats.
For those placed low. Try harder.
dcbe79 No.2269490
>>2269457
How embarrassing.
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f5104f No.2269492
This is the only list you really need, imo.
https://pastebin.com/Y5eQbW1u
61736c No.2269493
Oh shit. My place was moved near the top.
61736c No.2269494
It warms my heart to know I can be such an incredulous prick and still people seem to like me.
7809e3 No.2269496
My bones are tired I'm so sleepy.
f5104f No.2269497
>>2269496
Have you considered having less sex?
5d14c7 No.2269498
Almost as surprising is the amount of shit I can get away with that most everyone in threads cannot. Untouchable.
7809e3 No.2269499
>>2269497
that's not an optionn
e0951b No.2269500
>>2269496
know the feeling. my hip joints are acting up today.
f5104f No.2269502
>>2269498
I mean I got away with a lot I think...
>>2269499
Okay so have even more sex, then.
5d14c7 No.2269503
Yo! I am having a massive nostalgia meltdown this week, and something that never changes is how much of a compulsive liar Loco is.
dcbe79 No.2269504
>>2269494
Maybe you're just surrounded by bad people.
f5104f No.2269505
>>2269501
There was gonna be words in that post. Something about crushing. It probably wasn't important.
5d14c7 No.2269506
>>2269502
The shit I do on the daily, most people get banned for. Shit. It is why posters like Squiddy and Squash hate me.
dcbe79 No.2269507
>>2269503
Scoots, I never asked, why the fuck do you post these sporty women.
f5104f No.2269509
>>2269506
Truly, the powers that be have a blind spot where the ScooTaloo is.
61736c No.2269510
Scoots a shit but I would hold his hand as we walk into the gulag.
>>2269505
<3
5d14c7 No.2269511
>>2269509
Being able to discern which dick to succ for self gain has always been a talent.
5d14c7 No.2269512
SEND HIM TO THE GULAG, BOYS
7809e3 No.2269515
>>2269502
no one wants to have sex with me though
it's very sad
e0951b No.2269516
>>2269515
learn to want to have sex with your self first bro.
f5104f No.2269517
>>2269514
>
>>2269515
I also have this problem. And even if someone did wanna fug I'd be too retarded to notice or I'd doubt it so hard I may as well not have noticed.
61736c No.2269518
>>2269517
I feel like I've seen that before.
f5104f No.2269519
>>2269518
It's a demon from the Shin Megami Tensei and Persona games.
61736c No.2269520
>>2269519
Oh. I probably saw you post it before.
f5104f No.2269521
>>2269520
It's possible. I am a fan of those games.
f5104f No.2269523
>>2269522
A M E R I C A
Home of the free
The sick and depraved
A M E R I C A
So why the fuck
Are you looking at me?
f5104f No.2269525
>>2269524
This lady intrigues me. What's she from?
dcbe79 No.2269526
>>2269508
I assume you're a hiki
61736c No.2269528
>>2269526
No it's just a bruise.
5d14c7 No.2269532
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>2269525
From Kiznaiver.
Trigger being Trigger.
>Op is lit.
dcbe79 No.2269536
>>2269534
Go get kanra so I can tell at him like a disappointed father.
5d14c7 No.2269538
>>2269536
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
7c13f4 No.2269540
>not playing the same RPG over and over again for 4 years
>>2269462
rip you
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61736c No.2269544
Sometimes I regret not making a girl character in FF14 because one of my friends who is also a healer gets a lot of free shit because of it. All they do is suck up to the tank and DPS and bam. Free shit.
dcbe79 No.2269545
>>2269541
Have you still been taking vitamin d supplements?
f2ca9d No.2269546
>>2269539
Saved for... science and such.
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5d14c7 No.2269550
Time for Skyrim. I love Skyrim. I imagine this is what "Love" would feel like.
f5104f No.2269551
>>2269548
To answer your question from a while back I'm fine and my game is not fine.
dcbe79 No.2269552
>>2269548
Well they're important if you don't get much sunlight. Which you don't because it's Canada.
971c26 No.2269554
>>2269551
woah. that was a while while back. accidentally gave myself the habit of being curious about how Amy's been even when we don't talk, since history I guess.
what's left to do? are you still interested in finishing it?
>>2269552
eating less and regular exercise seems to be a saving grace for my sanity though. literally calms me all the way down and makes me brain better. and you have no idea how sorry I am for yesterday. I can explain it, but I won't attempt to justify it.
f5104f No.2269555
>>2269554
There isn't a single day goes by that I don't think about my game. But I don't really do much beyond think and plan and ponder.
How've you been, Kanra?
971c26 No.2269556
>>2269555
Thinking, planning, and pondering is what you're supposed to do, no?
I've been doing pretty okay. Ups and downs. Productive, though. Learning new tools for programming. Practicing new hobbies. But I pretty much live week to week without much of a plan since quitting work.
The only way I'm gonna get out of the position I'm in is if I start delivering on my abilities to create stuff of value, too.
f5104f No.2269557
>>2269556
Would help to do some art or a bit of scripting, no?
What language/s are you using?
dcbe79 No.2269558
>>2269554
I think of you every now and again and hope you're doing better, or at least back at school.
And whatever, man, it is what it is. I've been where you are, I know how horrifying the lack of serotonin can be.
61736c No.2269560
You know, Kanra. I'm thinking I should have kept track of who's seen my ass.
971c26 No.2269561
>>2269557
Sure, and I'm sure you get into the art once you have some idea of what to make. How long did it take you to make your last asset that you had formed in your mind before you did it?
Javascript, HTML, CSS mostly. Website stuff. I'm pretty good at it too. And I've used other languages, and wouldn't struggle to learn new tools like I do.
>>2269558
I'm a NEET.
>>2269560
>2018
>not keeping track of everything
61736c No.2269562
>>2269561
It's hell I tell ya.
Anyhow off to work.
971c26 No.2269563
f5104f No.2269564
>>2269561
I don't quite understand the question... but there is a lot of planning and tweaking involved in even the simplest sprite work.
dcbe79 No.2269565
>>2269561
Well, did you check out khan academy like I recommended?
971c26 No.2269566
>>2269564
You've made assets before, so you have some idea of how they go. When I program, I've noticed that when I sit down to program without some idea of what the algorithm is going to look like, I can sit there for hours tinkering, getting deeper but still taking hours. But the times where I have a clear picture before, and I use all the times I've written algorithms before to jot down a quick draft first, it ends up taking me minutes.
That is an insanely intricate asset btw. idk.
>>2269565
I've used it a bunch. anything in particular?
f5104f No.2269567
>>2269566
>intricate
If you say so..? It's about the lowest standard I'll accept for my game tbh familam.
971c26 No.2269568
>>2269567
Have you considered making something barebones at first, having the framework in place, but something usable, then working on adding new parts over time? If that's not what you already do. That's how the software development lifecycle works. That way, when you do make additions, you can focus solely on the things you want to modify or add.
5d14c7 No.2269569
I wonder, if having "feelings" or emotions would make life more worthwhile.
Watching dramas, romance especially, makes me consider if that life is truly better than the numb indifference I feel.
Who knows.
But what is certain is that I am not an hikineet.
dcbe79 No.2269570
>>2269566
I dunno, whatever you're interested in.
What exactly and up with yesterday? You went fucking mental.
7c4117 No.2269571
dcbe79 No.2269572
>>2269569
You're depressed, probably. Depression is a sensible and healthy response to a lack of direction or purpose in life. The fact you're here as often as you are would indicate you probably have no life prospects beyond the average person.
971c26 No.2269573
emotions are literally the only thing that make life worthwhile. we create media to recreate those feels. people who lack feelings still need ways to engage with life. but there are obviously a range of feels. the sort of feels I sometimes put out, despite giving me meaning, aren't always the best. Try regular exercise.
>>2269569
I was hungover and didn't do a thing that I usually do daily and that affected my mood. You also seem to forget that the last time we spoke wasn't all that pleasant. You were also boasting, and talking about books that I'd read, but then didn't want to be on the same page about. You're my friend though, and I could still be annoyed with you without doing any of the things I did yesterday. gomen.
f5104f No.2269574
>>2269568
I usually make each system (movement, combat, textboxes etc.) its own thing and connect them up as necessary. I then flit aimlessly between each system with no set goal in mind whenever I go back to dev.
dcbe79 No.2269576
>>2269573
Well, controlling your emotions takes practice. The last time we spoke was not unpleasant by my doing.
You're still projecting onto me a host of ways or methodologies, accusing more like, by which I accumulate my opinions and perspectives. It's a non-starter for civil discourse. You read the book, your perspective and interpretation on it differs to mine.
That's fine, but that doesn't mean you can go mental and accuse me of a host of lazy scholarship tactics.
971c26 No.2269577
>>2269574
I flit, too. But I've too many memories of flitting. And too many positive memories of circumventing flitting by mapping out a few steps ahead each time.
f5104f No.2269578
>>2269577
I have a lot of difficulty getting my mind to sit still for any meaningful length of time.
5d14c7 No.2269579
>>2269573
Are you being serious right now?
>>2269572
I am not depressed. That sounds silly and short sighted.
>>2269571
971c26 No.2269580
>>2269576
I'm working on it.
Yes, I do think you're guilty of lazy scholarship tactics, like saying, "You need to educate yourself" or "You just haven't read the breadth of material I have". In the case of The Selfish Gene, I had. I'm not claiming to remember it perfectly, but I remember a key theme being the power of culture and memes, and its overriding effect on our nature.
How we choose to marry, how we moved from hunter-gatherers, to agricultural. How we take the cultures we're in for granted, and how we modify our behaviours based on our environments. On the other hand, you seemed to be talking about how cultures need to be more rigid and in line with our nature, despite the book saying it's rather malleable.
Also calling me Nietzhchean, mentioning commies, hero myths, how no man's lifetime is long enough to cause reformation, and the peril wrought by attempting to do so. So I ask again, is any of this falsifiable?
971c26 No.2269581
>>2269578
Are you sure? Have you tried reading entire articles from start to finish? I used to think I couldn't concentrate. I still currently do the same thing you do, and still thought I couldn't. Turns out I could all along. Try testing it by reading lengthy stuff.
>>2269579
yup.
f5104f No.2269582
>>2269581
I cannot read entire articles. I skip or give up if it's "too long", no matter the topic.
ADHD is a Hell of a drug.
dcbe79 No.2269583
>>2269580
Nigga if a physicist says that strings vibrate outwards from a 1d line into other dimensions through a complex process, then spends 3 hours trying to explain it in the simplest possible terms, while you're insulting him and undermining everything he says, and then finally he says "yeah you can just take my word for it or do your own research."
Guess what.
He ain't gonna feel too bad about your accusations of laziness.
971c26 No.2269585
>>2269582
don't you take something for it?
>>2269583
Except your philosophy isn't string theory.
The philosophy you're talking about isn't all that complex, I don't believe. You're right. It was stupid and needless of me to talk to you the way I did. gomen once again. But how complex is your philosophy, really? If it involves probability, relationships between variables, or it's anything as complex as algebra or calculus, those are things I already know. I understand a great deal about ratios, too.
But let's start from somewhat of a scratch. I'll still try to remember the stuff you've said, and the relationships and axioms you've talked about, but could you tell me the relationship between humans and culture?
f5104f No.2269586
>>2269585
I do. It's still tiring to concentrate even with its help and since I work 5-6 days a week I usually miss the window it creates.
5d14c7 No.2269587
971c26 No.2269589
>>2269586
regular exercise. proper sleep. I take the same thing. and never needed to up the dose. the answer is regular exercise. and proper sleep. anything less than 8 hours and taking the thing that usually helps me actually stunts me.
>>2269587
Trust the scientists that figure this stuff out.
dcbe79 No.2269590
>>2269585
I did yesterday.
Your biggest problem when it comes to learning is that if you don't understand something or already disagree with it you attack the person, instead of using the new information to attempt to attack your preconceived ideas. If it doesn't work, then your original idea is stronger.
You do the exact fuckin opposite of that. You think inane and constant, unscrupulous attack on your opponents idea is the key to the differentiation between the truth and untruth. The reality is that no one is going to spend any length of time defending themselves or their idea, no matter how concrete and easily provable, if they believe the truth is not your focus or desire.
Son.
f5104f No.2269591
>>2269590
Wait... are you Griffin's dad?
dcbe79 No.2269592
>>2269591
I may as well be.
5d14c7 No.2269593
>>2269589
Where is your source material? I want to see the full bibliography.
29b5f2 No.2269594
what are you neanderthals talking about now
5d14c7 No.2269595
How about, you anons put a name on? You same fag posting, Proxy abusing, nigger faggots.
af079c No.2269597
dcbe79 No.2269599
I'll give you an example, actually.
>The sky is red.
The proper response: "The sky, at times can be red, even during most sunsets. But to say the sky is red in general, in that manner, is obviously erroneous and self evidently not useful as a phrase in general context."
I demonstrate I understand the sky is red at times, and that the phrase isn't entirely wrong simply erroneous.
Your response is something like:
>Where are your sources, I don't see a red sky right now, prove the sky is red.
Then the opponent says "sunset"
>Oh sure, but prove your comprehension of the English language to the point you can make that claim contextually soundly.
Then they do so.
>Well, that still doesn't mean you're right. Because I see the sky right now and it's covered in clouds.
Well, behind the clouds.
>Prove the clouds are going to move away, or that the sky is a certain color behind them.
Etc. Etc. Forever and ever until one of the participants goes insane.
971c26 No.2269600
>>2269590
I don't try to ad hominen, though. Like I do try to avoid saying it's because of you as a person, or something about you that keeps you from understanding. I do attack ideas relentlessly, though. Even the most mundane ones. It doesn't work. I will cease doing it.
Let's focus on the truth, reality, and the actual structure and formation of ideas then. I will make sure my conduct reflects my actual desire to understand. I'm actually so flexible with ideas, that there are none I'm not willing to drop given a good reason to.
So your next reply should be about your ideas. I'll argue in good faith. Promise.
>>2269593
Every study comparing a control where a group doesn't exercise, vs. one that exercises regularly, shows that cognition and mood improves with regular exercise and proper sleep.
15c9d8 No.2269601
BUZZWORD ACTIVATED!!!!
AD HOMINEM!!!!!!
>>2269600
You aren't showing your working out. That is poor form. Please elaborate.
dcbe79 No.2269602
>>2269600
Well, I'm genuinely bewildered at how you could read the extended phenotype and not arrive at the same conclusion me and every biologist in the world did regarding memes as occupying a metaphysical space inside the genetic structure of the human brain.
f5104f No.2269603
We talkin' about maymays?
af079c No.2269604
>>2269602
>every biologist in the world
Is that book required reading for biologists?
15c9d8 No.2269605
Memes are, as the anon says, pieces of information that are culturally and biologically passed down from generation to generation. For example, look at otters. They just "know" how to swim. That is a pretty fascinating meme. One that does not require prior knowledge. It is "muscle memory". Much like we as Humans experience.
971c26 No.2269606
>>2269599
Well, what's the solution? My solution would be that we both understand to a reasonable extent what you mean by the sky is red. My issue is if you try to make an axiom or an atom of something that isn't true, or to treat a generalization as not a generalization.
In the case of calling the sky red, all I'd like is for us to both have a shared definition of what that means. Going forward, I'll put forth something like, "So you mean the way light is scattered as it passes through the atmosphere in a certain way produces a certain wavelength, and a colour we perceive and call red."
Grant me these small calibrations to our shared definitions and I'll go as far as you want.
>>2269601
https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.00500.2006
6af8d0 No.2269607
>>2269605
But otters aren't born knowing how to swim. Their mothers actually pull them into the water to demonstrate swimming to them.
f5104f No.2269608
>>2269607
How do we know the mama otters aren't just sick of the needy little shits and are trying to drown them?
6af8d0 No.2269609
>>2269608
They just never learn because otter fur is naturally predisposed to buoyancy. Those must be some frustrated otter-moms.
971c26 No.2269610
>>2269602
Perhaps I should consider it as occupying the same metaphysical space, so I'm open to that. I've never used that term before, or understand how you're using it in this case though.
What is a metaphysical space, and what does it mean that both genes and memes are found as a part of it? Also, how would a gene or meme have to be different in order to be not considered part of the same metaphysical space?
15c9d8 No.2269612
>>2269606
You are using this entry level material as a cornerstone of your praxis?
>>2269607
That is not true. I have conducted experiments with baby otters. I would "home" a pregnant otter mother and birth her offspring, then immediatley seperate and feed the younglings. When they are big enough I conducted the experiment.
The experiment being immersing them in a bathtub full of water. Each of the three subjects showed the same aptitude of swimming without maternal interaction.
f5104f No.2269613
ScooT confirmed for attempting to become a mama other.
15c9d8 No.2269615
>>2269613
Animals are much easier to understand than Humans. Humans and their weird "emotions" and cultural complexities. Alien.
>>2269614
A little better. I suppose. But what has this got to do with myself?
6af8d0 No.2269616
>>2269612
While I highly doubt your claim that you home otters, what you're likely observing is baby otters coming into the idea of locomotion in water through trial and error. They have a large handicap afforded to them as they are again extremely buoyant.
However, they would not learn the idea of swimming nearly as quickly on their own. And since their forms aren't mirrored off their more experienced mother, it would be a very inefficient method of swimming for them.
15c9d8 No.2269618
>>2269616
Do, please, show me your oitter expert credentials please? Otherwise, like the anon, you are merely spouting hot air.
I will have you know, that through interspecies memes, that one of those baby otters became the poster Dotter.
dcbe79 No.2269619
>>2269604
For evolutionary biologist, yeah.
971c26 No.2269620
>>2269615
you're a human. blood flow is good for braining. aerobic exercise is good for mood. makes lasting benefits. I tried it myself and I'm more sane on average. it also sorta makes me smarter.
6af8d0 No.2269621
>>2269618
I could say the same to you! Do you or do you not actually raise Otters to perform such experimentation?
How am to I know you're not also spewing hot air out here?
15c9d8 No.2269622
>>2269620
I engage in regular exercise. So. >>2269469
I find it very good. But it still does not allow me the alien ability to empathy.
971c26 No.2269623
>>2269622
empathy? just think what others are thinking. feel as they feel. non-judgementally. that's how I do it. if I can keep myself from judging or asking myself how I feel about others feels.
15c9d8 No.2269624
>>2269621
I see you are using the purile stance of "I know you are, you said you are, but what am I" school of debate. I do not find that to be very polite. I think you should really consider your next response. It could really determine your intellectual rank in the Big Brain Thread Tank.
15c9d8 No.2269625
>>2269623
So, becasue I feel nothing, I must assume others feel nothing. I think, therefore etc.
6af8d0 No.2269626
>>2269624
And I'd say you're trying to tout anecdotal evidence with nothing more than your word to back your claims.
I have no reason to believe you, while the importance of maternal imprinting is well documented in this instance.
6af8d0 No.2269628
15c9d8 No.2269629
>>2269626
Also Natsuki is objectively best Doki.
971c26 No.2269630
>>2269625
you're supposed to downplay your own feels. listen to theirs.
6af8d0 No.2269631
>>2269629
I mean
She's alright
I guess
15c9d8 No.2269632
>>2269630
Whom'st is this they?
>>2269631
Just Monika
f5104f No.2269633
>>2269627
I am immersed in the maymays, my friend.
971c26 No.2269634
6af8d0 No.2269635
>>2269632
all doki good doki
also
Rem a best
15c9d8 No.2269636
>>2269633
Them maymays, mamayonnaise.
>>2269634
This seems like a energy heavy effort.
>>2269635
RemRem number one Oni, except for zero two, whomst is also best oni.
971c26 No.2269637
>>2269636
it is for those naturally prone to not giving a fuck about others.
f5104f No.2269638
>>2269636
>This seems like a energy heavy effort.
It is. Much easier to tie your emotional state to musical cues and let those inform how you should be feeling.
6af8d0 No.2269639
>>2269636
One day she'll wake the fuck up I just know it
dcbe79 No.2269640
>>2269610
>You're completely wrong about X (a position/theory heavily dependent on the understanding of metaphysics to comprehend.)
>Wait, what the hell is metaphysics?
THIS right here is your biggest issue.
f5104f No.2269642
If you read the lyrics to "Holding Out for a Hero" it actually would work really well as a power metal song...
15c9d8 No.2269643
>>2269638
So energy heavy. UmU
>>2269639
GIT WOKE
244d22 No.2269644
f5104f No.2269646
>>2269644
Hallo thurr, Maddie. How've you been?
971c26 No.2269647
>>2269640
I didn't say anything was wrong. I didn't say the theory was wrong, or that you were wrong for having it. In fact, I said I'm open to the idea you're right, that I personally haven't used the idea of metaphysical space in my own life (but perhaps I have without knowing), and then I asked you for your definition.
And given your definition, how that means genes and memes occupy the same space to you, why they should, and what would have to be the case for them not to be.
I'm tryin' man.
244d22 No.2269648
>>2269646
Not too bad.. hbu?
60bf05 No.2269649
>>2269642
Anything can work as power metal lyrics if you believe hard enough.
dcbe79 No.2269650
>>2269647
The Selfish-Gene has a chapter dedicated to answering the question of how genes and memes share the same metaphysical space and behave identically in that space.
I told you this months ago, like, 20 times over. You just ignored me and argued semantics. At one point I would have explained it to you, but, you'll just dismiss it. Every time.
f5104f No.2269651
>>2269648
Life is an endless series of non-events surrounded in a fog of nothing. Everything is, and always has been, and always will be, entirely mediocre.
>>2269649
This is a good opinion.
Ohaiyou.
244d22 No.2269652
>>2269651
Seems to be, yeah. That being said, I'd go for some mediocre sex rn ngl haha
f5104f No.2269654
>>2269652
Agreed... but I don't wanna risk missing out on wizard powers.
How did things go with that... chick? Or was it a guy? It's been a while gimme some slack, yeah?
244d22 No.2269655
>>2269654
uhh I don't recall so probably poorly. idk!
f5104f No.2269656
>>2269655
Unfortunate. Mebbe next time.
Why're things only "not too bad," then?
244d22 No.2269657
>>2269656
Cause I've been spending a lot of money lately I guess. idk.
971c26 No.2269658
>>2269650
Are you testing my patience to see if I'm willing to deliver on my promise to actually try to understand you? Because you can't break me. I'm going to be as patient and focused as I can, because you seem to talk as if this is some intellectual feat that'll take more than I'm capable of to fathom.
I don't stand a chance if you keep telling me how I'm not going to get it, though. Either you tell me what it is, or I'll read the chapter again and get back to you in time. Or you can refresh my memory.
Perhaps I already know what you're talking about, and perhaps I agree. Just give me your definition of what a metaphysical space is, and why they share that space, and how they'd have to be different to not be considered part of the same space.
I'm trying from here on out.
dcbe79 No.2269659
>>2269651
So, how did university go for you? Did you graduate?
f5104f No.2269660
>metaphysics
>the philosophical study of being and existence
>in a discussion about evolutionary biology
>and memes
I'm sorry, what? Am I missing something here?
f5104f No.2269661
>>2269659
Has it really been that long, Stebe?
60bf05 No.2269662
>>2269651
The correct one, even.
How's it been Yaymy?
dcbe79 No.2269663
>>2269661
Good luck I'm behind 7 proxies.
f5104f No.2269664
>>2269662
I'm bored like all the time these days. It's kind of my least favourite emotional state.
How about you?
>>2269663
I gave up on college, took up self harm and abused "research chemicals" for a while, and now I just work, nap and think about napping while at work.
244d22 No.2269665
I think about abusing research chemicals while napping at work too
dcbe79 No.2269666
>>2269660
Metaphysics extends beyond philosophy or the purely theoretical in this context. As a framework it can also be used to describe the intangible laws of reality which effect the human consciousness, or even the genetic laws which govern and construct your brain. Gene's and memes occupy the same metaphysical space because they are identically affected and constrained by the laws of physical and chemistry. (That is not to say they are the same thing).
f5104f No.2269667
>>2269665
Is it even possible to read my post that out of order?
60bf05 No.2269668
>>2269664
Get a PS4 and Soul Calibur 6 and fite me, that'll keep the boredom away
I'm doing pretty good. Worked some OT at work yesterday and now just messing around on SC6
f5104f No.2269669
>>2269668
I have a PS4. We played Blerdbern that one time. Remember?
dcbe79 No.2269670
>>2269664
Oh, I'm sorry. Genuinely. I am very glad you're working, I hope the revenue allows some freedom and flexibility.
60bf05 No.2269671
>>2269669
Then only the 2nd part of my instructions is applicable.
244d22 No.2269672
>>2269667
no but i wanted your attention again
f5104f No.2269673
>>2269670
I haven't cut myself in 2 or 3 years and I haven't self medicated in a little less than that. Now I'm just wallowing in general numbness again.
>>2269671
Hmmm... I see. I'll have a look, then.
>>2269672
I did take some to work, once. I pussed out on actually using 'em though.
244d22 No.2269674
60bf05 No.2269675
>>2269673
The character creation is nutso, I'm sure you'd have fun making shit even if you're not in love with the fightan
971c26 No.2269677
>>2269666
You skipped over my post and explained it to Amy instead of me.
So your definition of metaphysics, I'll use as mine. You describe it as a framework to describe the intangible laws of reality which effect the human consciousness, and you say they also govern the genetic laws that construct our brain.
So yes, I share your definition of metaphysics. It's sort of a precursor to psychology, like how older philosophers would talk about the cause and effect of human nature. Please tell me if this is not the definition you're using, but it sounds like it is.
I'm not sure what a genetic law, but the process of genes constructing your brain is definitely a tangible phenomena. It's literally proteins using your DNA to develop different cells, and recieving instructions on how to grow organs.
What do you mean by a genetic law? Are genetic laws metaphysical, and therefore intangible? BECAUSE I'M NOT AN IDIOT, I can understand using abstracts to represent physical phenomena. But you mentioned it constructing your brain, and while I know genes do actually construct your brain, I wouldn't begin to imagine how something intangible governs that process.
Genes and memes are both constrained by physical laws, but physical laws by their very nature are tangible. How does the intangible part come into this?
Sincerely,
Griffin.
244d22 No.2269678
dcbe79 No.2269679
>>2269673
Well, I won't pretend to know how to solve that for you. But this place, and these communities, are not the answer.
Chan sites are like slot machines. They deliver purely random, context laden information with minimal predictability. Sometimes it's fun, and engaging, and takes the sting of nihilistic malaise away; but more often, most of the time, it simply presents nothing of value. And only serves to subsume that potential happiness into the already stark and cold numbness of a wasted day.
There is an immeasurable amount of meaning that you, as I remember you, could derive from your gifts and character. I wish you the very best in discovering as much of that as possible.
7c4117 No.2269680
My dearest Thread,
Are we writing our posts like letters now?
Yours forever,
Alchemist
244d22 No.2269681
f5104f No.2269682
I've been sat upright too long now and wish to lay down. It's been... fun?
Until next time, friends. Adieu.
dcbe79 No.2269683
Dearest thread,
Oh how your soft, gentle autism blows rustic, like brown and golden shades of reddish orange hues adorning my sweet autumn leaves ...
971c26 No.2269684
244d22 No.2269685
<not threading while laying in bed
pleb
dcbe79 No.2269686
>>2269682
I wish you the best, Amy.
- s
32f5e0 No.2269687
dcbe79 No.2269689
>>2269677
If you want to know the answers to all those questions I suggest going to university for evolutionary psychology.
dcbe79 No.2269690
971c26 No.2269691
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you mean metaphysical things as abstracts. As things that represent real things, and can be manipulated and reasoned about.
In the way the word "gene" is supposed to encompass the idea of genes, the word itself is not a gene. They are real things, and we refer to these things by abstractions.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you say genes and memes occupy the same metaphysical space, you mean that they can both be abstracted in a way that reveals they can be reasoned about abstractly in very similar ways.
Propgation, for example, can be reasoned about in terms of genes and memes. Same for spreading, ending, continuaton, mutation, and naturally selected. In terms of their abstracts, a lot of the same verbs and adjectives can be applied to them.
244d22 No.2269693
memes are metaphysical now?
dcbe79 No.2269694
>>2269691
You're along the right track, actually. If something occupies a metaphysical space, that doesn't mean that it's abstract; although it may be abstracted. Evolution by natural selection as a process is a metaphysical construct, for example. It occupies no actual physical space, but is instead an emergent property of reality itself. Hence it is meta-physical.
Get me?
f5104f No.2269695
S stands for Mr Preston. For sure.
971c26 No.2269696
>>2269689
I'm pretty good about the idea of evolutionary psychology. By that, you mean how DNA over periods of time select for certain adaptations and changes in the brain. How we share many neurological functions with mice, cats, and dogs because of evolution, and the primary thing that sets us apart is the shape and structure of our telencehpalon. Or how traits like anger and deliberateness can be inherited, or horniness. Our very personalities are inherited to an extent, but also malleable. It all depends on the neurological structures (and hormonal) that produce those behaviours.
eg. an amygdala is hard to change, if you're a generally angry person, you can't really undo that. But there is plasticity when it comes to learning langauges or lyrics.
dcbe79 No.2269697
971c26 No.2269699
>>2269694
Okay, so if something occupies a metaphysical space, that doesn't mean it's abstract. Metaphysical is therefore not interchangable with abstractions of physical things. If I'm following, "evolution by natural selection" is a metaphysical construct. It's a metaphysical construct because "evolution by natural selection" isn't a physical thing, but is derived by abstracting a physical process that actually occurs in reality.
The physical process are the countless deaths, rapes, famine, and nature of creatures living or dying and lineages and certain DNA strains ending. The metaphysical process is taking these emergent things, and noting the pattern that there is a trend towards higher survivability.
The idea of survivability is metaphysical, and represents a range of physical real world phenomena regarding survivability.
971c26 No.2269700
essentially, the meta awareness and representations of physical phenomena.
502f7c No.2269701
GIVE ME DRUGS
BRING ME KNIVES
MY NAME IS SCANNER
AND YOU'RE NOW MY WIVES
e0951b No.2269702
Cataclysm dark days ahead is too hard for me tbh
502f7c No.2269703
We are too fit for this world. My mate thinks aliens had something to do with our development as the apex being of this planet.
60bf05 No.2269704
>>2269701
Is that some kind of mystic spell?
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dcbe79 No.2269706
>>2269699
That's about it, yep.
e0951b No.2269707
>>2269703
how are we the apex when we have to relay upon so much in-order to survive that's taken for granted.
502f7c No.2269708
>>2269704
Didn't even think of that, yes, it is an arcane curse that heralds my return to this wretched realm.
>>2269705
You're fucked mate, it's 10pm on a Sunday, nowhere is open. I got one last energy drink so I'll have to share that.
7c13f4 No.2269709
>>2269708
thats the inverse of what i need tho. i need something thatll compel me to fondle myself on a couch til im ready to go to bed and dream of being cuddled.
502f7c No.2269710
>>2269707
We wrapped the world in concrete and made every creature our bitch. We created machines to turn masses of creatures into burgers with scary levels of effiecency. Oh, and we have language so you can call a thing a total cunt in a thousand different ways.
>>2269709
MDMA will help you on that.
971c26 No.2269711
>>2269706
I'm excited.
So, and correct me if I'm wrong, the idea of genes and memes occupying a shared metaphysical space is dependant on how originally understand memes and genes. And according to you, any biologist worth their salt would represent genes and memes in a way that shows them as alike.
Now, may I ask what representation would result in their shared metaphysical space, and as a follow up, is there a way in which these two things can be represented without sharing the same metaphysical space?
e0951b No.2269712
>>2269710
if we take you and an insect, stick you in a new environment, which do you think will survive the longer?
502f7c No.2269713
>>2269712
Oh, I would totes be dead.
Maybe apex is the wrong word.
But we are definitely the top dog, you know what I mean?
e0951b No.2269714
>>2269713
only because no other creatures has reached our level of intelligence
dcbe79 No.2269715
>>2269711
There's always disagreement on classification by some people, sure, that's what makes science. But Dawkins arguments are compelling enough that they have been tested and proven again and again, and withstood decades of serious criticism from experts the world over.
As to your two latter questions; no, they share the same metaphysical space. That's all but self evident. Because memes depend on human consciousness for their survival, and operate under the same, EXACTLY, the same, boundary conditional parameters as do organisms affected by natural selection.
Memes are to humans as natural selection is to organic life.
502f7c No.2269716
>>2269714
And thank god. I wouldn't like to meet anything with our intelligence. AI is gonna kick our ass in the end, I think, if we don't nuke each other first.
7c13f4 No.2269717
>>2269710
no dealer and i dont into drugs
502f7c No.2269718
>>2269717
Have you got Valerian tea? That chills me right the fuck out.
e0951b No.2269719
>>2269716
I think some faggot should get this nuke war started just so all that other shit will stop.
7c13f4 No.2269720
>>2269718
nah
i just want that boozed induced sluttiness
dcbe79 No.2269721
>>2269717
Everyone laugh at this non-cool dude.
Very unradical
502f7c No.2269722
>>2269719
But if I get nuked, I won't be able to enjoy my videogames, tobacco or porn.
>>2269720
Then you should've got your booze while the sun was still up, silly billy.
971c26 No.2269723
>>2269715
So, you say that Dawkins argues that the classification of treating memes and genes as analagous to one another, is something that has been proven time and again, and withstood criticism?
Now, I'm still looking for you to tell me about the properties of genes and memes that make them so deservedly analogous. I already suggested a few properties myself, like they can both be continued, ended, broken, mutated, shared, and propogated. But I'm not sure if that's what you mean by them being analogous.
You say they operate on EXACTLY, the same, boundary conditional parameters as do organisms affected by natural selection. Tell me in which ways they are alike, and why they deserve the same metaphysical space. It is not self-evident, but perhaps this is where your experience explains it.
I hope I've done good so far, so perhaps I can understand if you do explain why this is self-evident.
dcbe79 No.2269724
>>2269723
Now, I hope you trust me enough to know I'm not dodging these questions. But the explanations to some of these things require a comprehensive knowledge a little beyond what I can manage in a single text box.
If you really are interested, I recommend reading the selfish gene and then moving onto the science of memetics and some of the more well cited papers.
dcbe79 No.2269725
>>2269723
That doesn't mean I guarantee you'll reach the same conclusions as me; just that I'm not going to do a better job that Richard Dawkins.
7c13f4 No.2269726
>>2269721
i know, how gay am i?
>>2269722
nomoney for booze anyway, im stuck with the contents of the booze cabinet. on the flip side ive found some absolut raspberry vodka. how fucked are my organs gonna be after this?
7c13f4 No.2269727
oh god, thats not as pleasant as id hoped
971c26 No.2269728
>>2269724
I'm afraid I don't trust you well enough to doubt that this is a dodge, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time. I hoped by showing you how deep and far I could go without pulling rank and saying "I've read more than you" that I could explore and explain things and establish our mutual ground just fine.
I really am interested, and I have read The Selfish Gene. It's obviously a piece of writing you believe draws the similairities and analogies between these two means of propogation, that being genes and memes.
So talk to me as someone you can trust has read, and understood to a rather great extent, the contents of this book, what Dawkins means by memes, and the countless ways he has talked about them as they relate to genes. Talk to me as someone who is aware of his words, and as someone with the text right beside him and can refer to them and navigate them.
I would not come away from reading this book with the understanding you do about genes and memes. I would not call them exactly bound by the same conditional parameters in the way genes are affected by natural selection, and I'm more than beyond confident that Dawkins wouldn't either.
I agree with Dawkins. I don't think you actually do.
e0951b No.2269729
>>2269722
you'll be fine you big babby.
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971c26 No.2269732
>That doesn't mean I guarantee you'll reach the same conclusions as me; just that I'm not going to do a better job that Richard Dawkins.
This is very possible, certainly. But it's not that subjective. It's not that open to a multitude of interpretations. It really is quite straightforward, and he does make it pretty clear where his opinions begin, and his own feelings and views.
I think if you agreed with Dawkins, you'd believe that memes are very much not subject to natural selection, or pressures that encourage greater survivability. I think if you agreed with Dawkins, you'd say that genes drove the development of humans, but that memes and the laws and rules that apply to them skyrocketed and took on an entirely different nature than genes, specifically in their lack of constraining to the existing replicator of genes.
You'd say, if you agreed with Dawkins, how unlike genes memes are. The reason for them existing, how they're spread, are all different. Because Dawkins himself says this. He says so much of what we call culture cannot possibly be identified by our genetics, and require an almost indenepdant framework of memes to explain cultural phenomena.
971c26 No.2269733
>"The Selfish-Gene has a chapter dedicated to answering the question of how genes and memes share the same metaphysical space and behave identically in that space."
I'd love to know what this chapter is. If you're being honest, you'll tell me. Do not dodge this. Pic related.
15c9d8 No.2269734
Never fear.
Scoot is here
the power of fags
and all of whomst queer
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dcbe79 No.2269736
>>2269728
Right, well, you shouldn't tell people bald facedly you don't trust them and then ask them to answer very complicated questions. The fact is we have reached different conclusions.
I came back out of a fondness for your character; but you have not changed. And you won't change by my doing. I have nothing to give you, and you have nothing to give me. I believe I see that clearly now. We have drifted apart with every conversation. And I see now my foolishness in reaching out for someone who no longer exists with a hand which passes through the present.
I wish you the best, and hope mostly you embrace your strengths and shed the weaknesses you see as weaknesses. And embrace life, in all its suffering and beauty. And that you accept life as it is, and as it presents itself to you. You have great potential, and the potential to be a great man.
Love ya, man.
Goodbye
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6e737d No.2269738
>>2269731
big tiddy oneesan niggas
971c26 No.2269739
you're a punk. and I called your bluff about a book. I loved ya too, man. but pulling this stunt should change that. maybe you were pulling things like this all along, and maybe you thought less of me for believing you meant what you said.
6e737d No.2269740
oh god it's still going on
pls stahp
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dcbe79 No.2269743
>>2269739
Nigga there's ONE chapter on memes, it is like the third to last one, and it explicitly recommends a direct analogous comparison between genes and memes. It even coins the term "meme pool".
I swear to God I wish I could go back in time, fly to Canada and pound your gorgeous ass into submission.
I'm out, niggas.
Peace.
502f7c No.2269747
I'm off to macdonalds then bed, see you guys later.
e0951b No.2269748
>>2269747
why do you maccies before the sackie?
dcbe79 No.2269749
>>2269746
Ok wait I gotta say goodbye to my main man machi.
Peace nigga.
971c26 No.2269750
god, fuck that guy. I don't need to have my reading of the chapter confirmed, but if anyone is up to it, the anon is more than likely referring to chapter eleven, called "Memes: the new replicators".
Here's the free version of the text. There's no reason to think it's any different from the text he read, since he mentions it's one of the last chapters, and it's explicitly about memes and genes:
https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-RHEZa8riPwBuUyrV/The%20Selfish%20Gene_djvu.txt
The anon claims:
>"The Selfish-Gene has a chapter dedicated to answering the question of how genes and memes share the same metaphysical space and behave identically in that space."
and that
>"it explicitly recommends a direct analogous comparison between genes and memes."
I'd like to know if anyone else gets that from this chapter. Or if they get the exact opposite. Stairs, you're a smart pup. It won't take a sec.
6e737d No.2269751
>>2269749
don't make me kick you i already said ciao fag
<3
e0951b No.2269752
I quiet honestly don't really care either way and have no real idea why you'd bother arguing about such little things to such a degree.
6e737d No.2269753
whomst've is stairs anyway
af079c No.2269754
>>2269753
That's a question you'll ask even after a whole conversation with him.
He's in a perpetual state of "literally who"
763312 No.2269755
I am not reading that.
It is Mr. Who to you, mysterious flatterer.
971c26 No.2269756
fair enough. It's just that in this day and age, it's hard to tell when you're being gaslit, and to be merely confident in your own reading of a situation. Especially when someone you considered a friend tells you you're off enough times, and assures you he knows what he's talking about, but you just can't see it even though it's there.
6e737d No.2269757
>>2269754
well needless to say I am baffled how there could be any miscommunication in your words to begin with, but what I'm even more baffled about is how a proper reading of the source wouldn't clear that smidgeon of a doubt, had it existed.
I guess that explains why I wasn't asked to read it, because I am obviously not going be agreeing with Kanra here.
971c26 No.2269758
like, I'm pretty sure Dawkins doesn't at all say "genes and memes share the same metaphysical space and behave identically in that space" or that "it explicitly recommends a direct analogous comparison between genes and memes."
I'm pretty sure he does the opposite, and even criticizes his colleagues who try to do perform this comparison, explicitly talks about how they're different in how they act and behave.
but maybe I'm still somehow wrong. and I'm just gonna take a shot of vodka.
e0951b No.2269759
you both just needed to realize being right on the internet isn't all that important.
it's not like people will think you're retarded for accepting a mistake. they'll think you're retarded for doubling down after massive waves. ya'know.
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e0951b No.2269763
star trek is absolute trash tbh.
763312 No.2269764
I am just here to post dog pictures.
I am not really knowledgable enough on this meme gene stuff to support or refute your argument anyways.
15c9d8 No.2269765
peace was never an option
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dcbe79 No.2269772
>>2269759
My very last post, ever, in this community, will be to tell you, spider bro, that you are right.
The guy who posts spiders with dicks is the most right person to ever post here.
971c26 No.2269773
>Language seems to 'evolve' by non-genetic means, and at a rate which is orders of magnitude faster than genetic evolution.
>By comparing the songs of fathers and sons, Jenkins showed that song patterns were not inherited genetically. Each young male was likely to adopt songs from his territorial neighbours by imitation, in an analogous way to human language. During most of the time Jenkins was there, there was a fixed number of songs on the island, a kind of 'song pool' from which each young male drew his own small repertoire. But occasionally Jenkins was privileged to witness the 'invention' of a new song, which occurred by a mistake in the imitation of an old one.
>Song in the saddleback truly evolves by non-genetic means. There are other examples of cultural evolution in birds and monkeys, but these are just interesting oddities. It is our own species that really shows what cultural evolution can do. Language is only one example out of many.
>Fashions in dress and diet, ceremonies and customs, art and architecture, engineering and technology, all evolve in historical time in a way that looks like highly speeded up genetic evolution, but has really nothing to do with genetic evolution.
>As an enthusiastic Darwinian, I have been dissatisfied with explanations that my fellow-enthusiasts have offered for human behaviour. They have tried to look for 'biological advantages' in various attributes of human civilization. For instance, tribal religion has been seen as a mechanism for solidifying group identity, valuable for a pack-hunting species whose individuals rely on cooperation to catch large and fast prey.
>Kin selection and selection in favour of reciprocal altruism may have acted on human genes to produce many of our basic psychological attributes and tendencies. These ideas are plausible as far as they go, but I find that they do not begin to square up to the formidable challenge of explaining culture, cultural evolution, and the immense differences between human cultures around the world
>I think that a new kind of replicator has recently emerged on this very planet. It is staring us in the face. It is still in its infancy, still drifting clumsily about in its primeval soup, but already it is achieving evolutionary change at a rate that leaves the old gene panting far behind.
>Probably it originated many times by independent 'mutation'. In any case, it is very old indeed. How does it replicate itself? By the spoken and written word, aided by great music and great art. Why does it have such high survival value? Remember that 'survival value' here does not mean value for a gene in a gene pool, but value for a meme in a meme pool.
>Some of my colleagues have suggested to me that this account of the survival value of the god meme begs the question. In the last analysis they wish always to go back to 'biological advantage'. To them it is not good enough to say that the idea of a god has 'great psychological appeal'. They want to know why it has great psychological appeal. Psychological appeal means appeal to brains, and brains are haped by natural selection of genes in gene-pools. They want to find some way in which having a brain like that improves gene survival. I have a lot of sympathy with this attitude, and I do not doubt that there are genetic advantages in our having brains of the kind that we have.
>The old gene-selected evolution, by making brains, provided the soup 1 in which the first memes arose. Once self-copying memes had arisen, their own, much faster, kind of evolution took off. We biologists have assimilated the idea of genetic evolution so deeply that we tend to forget that it is only one of many possible kinds of evolution.
>The memes are being passed on to you in altered form This looks quite unlike the particulate, all-or-none quality of gene transmission. It looks as though meme transmission is subject to continuous mutation, and also to blending.
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