/animu/ - Anime & Otaku Culture

>everyone thinks srs anime is best!!1

Don't generalize like a little faggot. Everyone knows CGDCT is the true form of anime.

>>4264

I have no idea. There are tags for almost everything, so I guess we just have to find out.

>cowboy bebop

>serious

>>4256

There is another end of the shit-taste spectrum with moe-shit, slice of life, high school anime that japan can't get enough of. The larger portion of any market is going to have shit taste

>>4489

You'ved watched Durarara! what do you think about Baccano?

>>4558

If you're an Amerifat, you'll probably enjoy it a million times more. Also, the dub is actually the proper way to watch it.

>>4579

>Watching a show about prohibition era gangsters without hearing them talk in the Wise Guys accent

What kind of sick bastard are you

>>4579

Anon thinks that an anime with a western setting is best watched with the english dub because it fits with the setting. It's the same reason why people recommend dub for Cowboy Bebop, FMA and Hellsing Ultimate.

>>4583

>>4587

The only ones I consider "necessary" to watch dubbed are Baccano, Darker than Black, and Black Lagoon. Baccano for the Wiseguys accents, and the other two because they have a wide arrangement of international accent. In Black Lagoon specifically, the Chinese character flat out doesn't work when subtitled, because she's supposed to speak in horrifically broken Japanese. An accurate translation of her dialogue would mean having purposefully shitty subtitles, which just makes it seem like the quality is suffering. Other stuff like FMA I think does have a great dub, but hearing it in english doesn't really add anything to the series.

>>4590

Fug, forgot embed

>>4256

The west can't enjoy comedy either. It's the cultural difference.

>>4277

>>4264

Reverse image searching and checking tags seems to suggest "strappy heels", but it seems like it either hasn't been too prevalent yet or is a newly created term people are beginning to tag for. However, that tag doesn't specify the level of strappage, and most images currently tagged as such have the straps only up to ankle level.

>>4256

Don't blame me, man. My favorite anime's Dirty Pair.

>>4649

>I know your post is explaining why subs are better...

That wasn't really the intention of my post. The point I was trying to make was more along the lines that the subs are more authentic to whatever "vision" the creator had than the dubs are (Which, even then, is just another interpretation since the only original anime mentioned in the discussion at hand has been Cowboy Bebop meanwhile everything else has been adapted from a manga or a light novel). Also, as the guy mentioned in the video, WB and 4kids (And, Harmony Gold in the case of Robotech) had the vision to see a success film, so they used all the resources they had on hand to see that through. At that point, all matters relating to caring about keeping the product authentic went out the window in favor of altering the product to reach as wide an audience as possible in the easiest way imaginable. That means making something that will connect with the average Westerner. Now, is that a bad thing?

It depends. To get the first point out if the way, yes, it is bad because you're committing censorship. However, giving anime a higher presence in the public's eye may introduce customers to other series that are available on the market (Which brings in more money for the companies). Although, would the public be just as receptive to an accurate translation of the film (Or any other future releases) as they would the "Americanized" version of it? And, that's the larger problem companies should be taking into account. If the audience rejects the accurate version, then what's even the point of take the time and work to bring the series over instead of funding and original product? Also, the first post that started the discussion was in jest: >>4579

>Since thread started to discuss dubs v subs I was going to say that the dubs shown on toonami are remembered fondly because they had a lot of cartoon VAs do the voices and cartoon VA tend to be decent as to not annoy the adults who watched the shows with their kids, but I have no idea what the state of dubs are nowadays.

Another reason they were "good" back then was because 4kids pulled their actors from the theatre scene around New York City.

>>4256

Western anime fans have a life cycle.

>Young teenager sees a battle shonen or feature film anime on cable/streaming service

>This person gets attached to a handful of normalfag friendly franchises full of action

>As time goes on this person begins to look at other anime, they discover slice of life, romcoms, ecchi, harems, etc.

>Now the "fan" is angered because their cool new media is full of potentially embarrassing stuff and they're not comfortable with sexy cartoons

>The "fan" becomes bitter and makes the assumption that anime was "better" when they first watched it, and those filthy otaku "ruined" newer anime

>The "fan" now spends the next several years complaining about fanservice/moe/ecchi/etc. "killing" anime on every corner of the internet

>Now this person has decided they "grew out of anime" and they proceed to insult anyone showing interest in anime, manga, or Japanese video games for being a weeb/virgin/pedo/etc. etc.

Unfortunately these kind of people are continually replenished as the cycle repeats, so there are always tons of bitter faggots in any western anime fan community. Western fan media amplifies the issue by regurgitating bitter fan viewpoints in articles and convention speeches. The sad truth is you can never completely escape this kind of cancer.

>>4256

Jokes on you I only watch SOL anime

>Westerners

Are you not a westerner?

>>4687

Also an issue of expecting more of what they grew up with and nostalgia over, even ignoring the issue of discovering more niche genres and just looking within their preferences of action/adventure/mecha/whatever. I remember getting annoyed, after watching through Gun X Sword the first time and thoroughly enjoying it, looking up what the general opinion was on some other sites out of curiosity, and seeing a fair amount of people honestly complaining they expected more Cowboy Bebop or Trigun from it and were very disappointed to not get more of either in watching it. It's like a work can't be allowed to stand on its own; it has to emulate it's predecessors or be criticized for not being more of the same. Of course, I suppose they may have gotten memed at, since apparently Newtype USA once made a statement about it being similar to both (which likely made them expect it to be more of what they grew up with) which was further regurgitated by Funi for their reprint after getting the license.

>>4705

>It's like a work can't be allowed to stand on its own

I've noticed this as well. I think some people expect anime to work like bigger TV series that drag on for years, especially if they grew up on battle shonen that go on for hundreds of episodes.

You're also spot on about them getting memed on. Western fan media loves comparisons such as "It's like X meets Y!" and "It's the [Insert popular movie/comic/TV show here] of anime!"

I remember reading an issue of Animerica in the early 2000s that claimed Kiddie Grade was the "anime answer to X-Men."

I like both serious and fun anime. Fight me.

It's like people forgot that it's best to alternate. Watch something serious, next something cute and fun.

>>4694

SOL with comedy > feel good SOLs in my opinion.

>>4733

There is nothing wrong with that, the problem is casuals tend to think the existence of anime they don't like is somehow robbing them of more of what they do like. There are people that unironically think a new show from Kyoani is somehow sucking away money and resources from Cowboy Bebop 2: Spike's Resurrection.

>>4740

I used to think like that too until I looked more at the market of Japan and really just came to terms with it. I will say that most of the cute SoL anime ends up feeling cookie cutter and doesn't really grab my attention. For me, cute and fun is stuff like Yuru Camp, Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou, or Girls und Panzer.

>tfw no anime that combines serious, cute, fun, and full frontal fanservice/ecchi that borders on straight up hentai

>tfw no anime of a merry band of murderhobos romping around a fantasy land for riches to blow on ale, whores, and crazy shit

>>4740

>There are people that unironically think a new show from Kyoani is somehow sucking away money and resources from Cowboy Bebop 2: Spike's Resurrection.

How? Kyoani has nothing to do with Cowboy Bebop to my knowledge, so them making something wouldn't have an impact on funds for whether Spike lives or dies. Or did you mean that in a more general sense where it wouldn't even have to be Kyoani as "antagonist", just whatever's popular at the present?

>>4754

>tfw no anime of a merry band of murderhobos romping around a fantasy land for riches to blow on ale, whores, and crazy shit

Seven Deadly Sins is pretty close to that.

>>4256

Fuck you faggot. I love GitS and Bebop and I love cute animu grills. Stop with this false dichotomy bullshit.

>>4579

It's rare, but it happens.

>>4687

>Western anime fans have a life cycle.

>>Young teenager sees a battle shonen or feature film anime on cable/streaming service

>>This person gets attached to a handful of normalfag friendly franchises full of action

>>As time goes on this person begins to look at other anime, they discover slice of life, romcoms, ecchi, harems, etc.

>>Now the "fan" is angered because their cool new media is full of potentially embarrassing stuff and they're not comfortable with sexy cartoons

These are stages of becoming a goon or SJWeeb.

>those filthy otaku "ruined" newer anime

Modern otaku did though. The term used to refer to those interested in all kinds of otaku shit, not just moe and lewd fanservice I like me some moe and anime tiddies fan service but the market is currently, and has been for years, oversaturated with it. There's still good shit in those genres like Keijo!!!!!!!!, but the space in the market that was previously occupied by greater a variety of things is now occupied by dozens of low effort moeshit and fanservice shows that can't compete with the better things coming out in the same genres let alone with their predecessors in the genres. It's like how tons of MMOs tried be the next WoW and they all ended up crashing and burning.

Another contributer is the switch from traditional animation to digital. Digital anime is overall "softer" in style, which works well for moe, tiddies, SoL, etc., but not for anything "gritty". What little that comes out now that's gritty is less visually appealing in its own niche than if it had come out in the 80s or 90s.

>Now this person has decided they "grew out of anime"

That's how a goon is made. Or they become an SJWeeb and try worm their way into the industry to "clean up" the things coming out of Japan.

>>5367

You're not the rest of the western anime fanbase are you? You're just one person so you don't count.

>>5419

>idols (seriously the worst fuck those guys

Wouldn't Love Live fags count as those kinds of otaku despite being 2D? I've seen some images in cuckchan where they genuflect to Love Live cutouts and posters in public.

>>5431

No. Not at all. There might be some overlap, but 2D idol otaku are a whole goddamn world apart from 3D idol otaku. The things you describe are just cringe, but ultimately 2D idols aren't real.

You can't jizz on your own hands at a Chika handshake event, or lick/spit in their water bottles, for instance.

>>4762

You're correct, Kyoani has nothing to do with anything in that regard, but ignorant fans will blame current trends they don't like for a lack of shows they want. Kyoani was the go to boogeyman for "moeshit killing the anime industry" and other retarded whining.

>>5419

>otaku refers to a dude hyper-obsessed with a specific thing. Whether that be anime, trains, gunpla, toys, idols (seriously the worst fuck those guys)

Yes, but fags don't use it for what it means any more. Most now use it to refer to idolfags and the like.

>>7223

So you're saying that the Japanese should distort the meaning of a word just because a bunch of dumb gaijins misuse it? Don't be silly.