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 No.35974

Why are there barely any good horror anime? Good, as in, disturbing and scary like horror is supposed to be. It seems that most (modern) horror anime attempt to be a gorefest, showing as much blood on the screen as possible but while still pathetically keeping it teen-friendly.

The closest things I have seen to genuine horror in anime that come to mind are Serial Experiments Lain and Boogiepop Phantom, both series that were probably not really attempting to be full-on horror but more unnerving in its story-telling. But that's exactly what horror is supposed to be; it's purpose is to show us uncomfortable threatening situations and unexplainable phenomenon, not stereotypical edgelord characters hacking away at teenagers with a knife.

Another show that, to me, came close to being above average in the horror aspect of its plot was Another due to the mysterious nature of the character of Misaki. But when it was revealed who/what she really was and that she was not nearly as "lovecraftian" in nature as I hoped she would be and the real threat to the main characters was far more standard and gimmicky I no longer felt the sort of dread and suspsense I felt at times during the earlier episodes of my first watch.

So what do you think is needed to make a good horror anime? Is it even possible to create such a thing? It is often said that anime can't be scary due to the characters not being real people but I feel that it's too early to make such an assumption seeing as no one has ever really attempted to make a full-on horror anime that imitates the style of live-action horror films and series or even some manga.

 No.35976

part of the problem is uncanny valley, you don't consider the anime characters "people" so when they die or are maimed its difficult to care.

another part is people are desensitized to gore and suffering; how many isis / cartel execution videos have you seen? and that's the real deal, not some fictive production. how do you top that in anime?

now that just leaves the same horror we have from hollywood: jump scares. haven't seen it done yet convincingly in anime.

this season I'd say "Happy Sugar Life" is doing a decent job of horror because the MC is kind of unhinged and you're just waiting for her to snap and do some crazy shit. regarding the creeping horror you mentioned, you might also like Shiki.


 No.35979

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>>35976

>so when they die or are maimed its difficult to care.

But horror does not need to have excessive violence or even death in it to be disturbing. Take The Shining for example or Junji Ito's works. It's possible to scare or disturb people by simply showing something that is "off". It's Hollywood's obsession with movies about serial killers that lets people believe that horror needs to have murder in it to be good but that isn't true. I'd say it's quite the opposite actually, people will be most afraid of things that they cannot identify and when they don't know how something is a threat to their safety and if they can escape from it or if it is futile.

>another part is people are desensitized to gore and suffering

>how do you top that in anime?

Again, gore is not needed in good horror.

It's exactly because people are so desensitized to it that I don't understand why anime directors are so obsessed with making horror shows that mainly focuses on gore. No one finds it scary or disturbing anymore and I'd say most people have been tired of it for a long time now.


 No.35982

>>35979

Spot on. The worst horror is the one that happens in your mind. Things you don't know. Once you've clearly identified the threat it loses almost all of its horror.


 No.35985

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>>35982

Yeah, I think that's why Junji Ito's works are so popular. He doesn't give clear explanations for a lot of the disturbing things happening in his stories, they just happen and the monsters in these stories just exist. There is no origin story about scientists creating them in experiments or about evil aliens, the monsters are just there, just like how real-life threats to the human existence such as predator animals or natural disasters just appear to us without our involvement in it.

But it's kind of weird how there's so many of those kind of manga yet no one ever bothered to adapt them. I know Junji Ito's works recently got one but it was quite mediocre due to the art being nowhere near the detailed level of the original work.


 No.36015

>>35982

I agree. I just read HP Lovecrafts the whisperer in darkness and book is terrifying despite anything really terrifying happening.


 No.36048

>>35976

>uncanny valley

In what way? Saying a typical anime artstyle feels like this is ridiculous because it doesn't even remotely try to imitate reality. If anything, something like Ito's art is much closer to that, yet is still scary. But if you meant characters acting inhuman because of poor writing, I could agree.


 No.36057

There's a disconnect between yourself and the horror demographic in Japan. Horror in Japan is considered a feminine genre.


 No.36058

>>36057

b…but funa no tane an…and Kouishou Radio…for manly men like myself


 No.36061

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>>35976

>you don't consider the anime characters "people" so when they die or are maimed its difficult to care

>mfw care more about cartoon character than normalfag tragedies


 No.36098

Is Hataraku Saibou 【はたらく細胞】 body horror then? Hahaaaa


 No.36114

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>>36057

>Horror in Japan is considered a feminine genre

I didn't know that. I assume it's because horror films are often seen during dates?

Still, there's lots of extremely disturbing and realistic Japanese live-action horror once you look past the mainstream garbage like the Ring that most Western audiences couldn't handle.


 No.36116

>>36114

It's just one of those Japanese societal things that's different. Kind of like how us Americans put sugar in everything but it's considered manly to not like sweets in Japan.


 No.36117

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>>36116

>Kind of like how us Americans put sugar in everything but it's considered manly to not like sweets in Japan

That's not that strange when you consider that the types of food that are considered manly are all salty or served with spices rather than with sugar; meat, fish, cheese, maybe mushrooms. It's probably also because people tend to like sweets more as children and in Japan it's considered very attractive when a woman looks and behaves as young as possible.


 No.36119

>>36117

True but the men just don't eat sweets at near the same rate as a Westerner and especially an American like me. The weird thing is things like Curry rice is considered child like food even though that can get really spicy. Also Japanese food tends to be pretty bland as they like to have harmonies in texture and flavor over loud foods. On a personal note I love me some spicy food. One of my favorite foods to cook is chicken wings with a sweet and very hot Carolina Reaper BBQ sauce. The Japanese would die eating that because it's just too spicy.


 No.36794

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 No.36921

>>36057

It's the same thing for Asia in general. The audience for everything horror are mainly female, and for some reason they can put up with all the jump scares, even more so than a lot of guys. Perhaps because the male brain is more logical and considers pissing your own pants in a dark theater for 2 hours is not a good thing to waste time on.


 No.36924

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>>36794

I don't think I can agree with this, mostly because it's only using one source. I've read plenty of Jap horror and it shares a lot of similarities with nearby asian horror culture. Junji Ito tends to get spoken of in the same breath as Shintaro Kago, and it's because they're similarities are that almost no one else is quite like them, and a knack for blending genuine horror with ridiculous and silly imagery. There's still loads of straight stuff about curses, ghosts and monsters like everywhere else. I don't think the Japanese laughed any less than we do when they're flying around Earth in Remina.

In general, there's at least ten times the amount of horror manga than there is anime. I think the thing is that they just don't think the money's there to adapt any of it. There's no Kurosagi anime, there's no Panorama of Hell OVA, there'll never be a 6000 anime. We get a shitty Junji Ito adaption and another season of Yami Shibai every year, and that's it. You can count every horror anime film released since 2000 on one hand, and that fucking blows.


 No.36925

>>36924

>Yami Shibai

I've never seen it but I always wondered why the hell it kept getting continuations.


 No.36935

>>35974

all anime is horrible


 No.36936

>>35976

Gore isn't scary, it's just disturbing.

Caring about things is just about how attached you're to them.


 No.37148

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

Sort of mini-documentary on how Junji Ito draws his works. It's pretty interesting to see how much detail goes into a single page.

The backgound music makes this very comfy to watch.


 No.37149

>>37148

He has so much talent and to think he was a mere dentist.


 No.37155

>>37149

Not even a dentist, a dentist assistant. I'm glad that he decided to become a manga artist instead.


 No.37179

File: 19f3116e857ffbe⋯.jpg (81.51 KB, 600x377, 600:377, yami2Bshibai2Bs3.jpg)

>>36925

It costs almost nothing to make. It's basically a digital version of holding up paper cutouts. There's even a few clones and other works in the same style, it's just the one that's doing the best. As it is, It's probably got one or two seasons worth of really solid episodes, scattered throughout six of them. I'm also an absolute sucker for whoever did the art for season three, even if the writing wasn't anything special.


 No.37186

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>37179

It looks like those deformed Poputepipikku sketches which were done by a group called ac-bu who also did vid related.


 No.37192

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File: ca7a3cc5a2ace6a⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 2.2 MB, 1600x2200, 8:11, 05.JPG)

Children of the Earth


 No.37193

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 No.42437

>>37192

>>37193

This is quite horrifying.


 No.42494

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>>42437

I'll post more.


 No.42497

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 No.42500

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 No.42501

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 No.42551

>>42501

Man, like half of Junji Ito's works just make me laugh in the end. Sometimes the reveals hit me like a punchline to a joke and not so much something I should be afraid of. That one in particular gave me a good chuckle


 No.42565

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>>42551

I thought that was one of his better works in terms of horror value actually. But it does seem like he sometimes start fucking around with the story for laughs, pics related.


 No.42611

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>>42565

I think he's good at drawing disturbing things. But the problem is that in his short stories it doesn't have enough time to develop and set the mood. It's all over in a flash so the strange things that happen move into the comical territory instead of horror.

Take for instance that Children of the Earth you just posted. You get one page of setting up the story, one page of the beginning of the reveal. Then the long body reveal which seems like absurdist humor rather than horror.

The Window Next Door, is a bit better in that the buildup is longer but after all the spooky stuff with the monstrous woman trying to get in. The reveal is that the window is closer. It's like a punchline and made me laugh rather than be scared just from how absurd it is.

I think that Junji Ito is a good artist and he can draw very disturbing things and can think of disturbing concepts. But I find that his longer stories that don't try to have a big payoff in the end work a lot better than the "bam! spooky thing" Stories. And the best ones are where he lets his artwork do most of the heavy lifting

Like in the Long Dream, that picture is really fucking disturbing and it isn't the end of the story and it isn't sprung on you, it's more built up to.

Or like Uzumaki where the disturbing things have a long buildup and it almost delves into Lovecraftian type cosmic horror combined with Junji Ito's great body horror, both of those are really good. But it seems too often he falls into the trap of Shyamalan trying to make a twist right at the end. Which usually turns into something comical.

At least in my opinion, I can see how the artwork could carry the "twist" for other people but just in my mind it crosses over into absurdist


 No.43455

>>42497

Fuck. The story isn't even that creepy but that fucking design is not something i enjoyed seeing at midnight in dark room lit only by the light from my computer screen.


 No.43465

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>>43455

Yeah, he's really good at drawing those kind of disturbing faces. I'll post another one, Fashion Model which has the same kind of feel to it.


 No.43466

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 No.43467

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 No.44636

I'm a neet

I put myself in a life threatening situation

I was never afraid to die

I'm more afraid of having sex with my mom

Most Jp horror is about sexual repression

I want to die

Most people want to live

Most horror is about dying

Most otakus are afraid of living, maturing, and facing the avatars of life….those being women themselves

Women like horror because they compensate for the fear of death by making life…by having sex with a man

Most Japanese horror is about men being mutilated and abused by or in spite of women

The horror market is more for women

Otaku culture precludes women entirely

Either make more horror in spite of demographics

Or

Make horror that targets the main horror market…women


 No.44648

Horror animation in general is pretty rare, this isn't a problem exclusive to the nips. Part of the issue is that horror films really benefit well from good direction and most anime directors aren't trained as such, they're usually just regular animators or production team guys who got promoted.


 No.44650

>>43471

how does junji do it?


 No.45369

File: 302e84558a45525⋯.jpg (190.62 KB, 827x827, 1:1, nd.jpg)

Horror requires timing and set-up. Most anime directors can't do that but I would love an X-files monster of the week anime….


 No.45403

>>35985

>He doesn't give clear explanations for a lot of the disturbing things happening in his stories, they just happen and the monsters in these stories just exist. There is no origin story about scientists creating them in experiments or about evil aliens, the monsters are just there, just like how real-life threats to the human existence such as predator animals or natural disasters just appear to us without our involvement in it.

But i mean thats just so stupid in my eyes, "im here a wandering eyeball with missing hand Boo!" how's that supposed to be scary when its not based in reality and you know such thing is pure fiction? At best its absurdist humor like the other anon said. Horror should leave a reminder in your brain that "oh this can happen, will i be prepared to handle it when it does" instead of oh a castlevania enemy irl, a walking broom fucking mario toys, this window has one of those long neck aliens that appear in the rainy planet in Episode 2, etc.

I believe the best horror is not labeled horror but instead Slice Of Life, Tragedy, Drama, Mystery and theres many anime with those genres hence there's an ilk of horror anime.

>what a retarded outlook

nigger are some floating heads leaving that much of an impression to you?


 No.45407

>>36114

>Still, there's lots of extremely disturbing and realistic Japanese live-action horror once you look past the mainstream garbage like the Ring that most Western audiences couldn't handle.

Give me some recommendations

>>36924

>Kurosagi

>Panorama of Hell

>6000

any more?


 No.45420

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>>45369

That reminds me of Kagewani, it was like that for a while - each episode showed us a different monster. The first season was nice but the second, I've thought it was weak since it seemed to move away from monsters to focus on the professor more.


 No.45461

I want some more psychological horror.

Take some average guy, and slowly but surely watch as he loses it.

Apply guilt, striving for achievement, etc. as common goals, but make him a little too focused on them. Not enough at first to be too off, but enough to have a guy who really wants to do his best. Make him relatable.

Then have little things go wrong for him, and have it build up more and more. Show how he starts to per jeve society and himself as he thoughts become more off, but he puts them as logical and reasonable.

Keep going until it escalates to him killing people, but portray it as the most reasonable thing in the world.


 No.45489

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>>45407

Kuro Ihon and Akai Hon are impressive short story collections, Shibito no Koe o Kiku ga Yoi is a solid series with a classic feel and Zashiki Onna is a fairly realistic stalker horror.

>>45403

I couldn't disagree more. Mystery is half the appeal of horror. The most basic way to describe horror is "something out of order with what we expect". This is why some of the most simple and stupid things can get a fear reaction out of us, it's our body telling us something is wrong and we should be on alert. A vast black space behind a normal door, a neck twisted fully around, a day where everyone insists they just saw you a minute ago, none of these make any sense and that's precisely why they are horror.

I think you just like thriller series more, and that's fine, but it's not the same as horror.


 No.46318

>>45403

Humans are naturally afraid of the unknown. If you were under attack by something that you can identify then you can at least attempt to defend yourself based on what you know about its weakpoints. For example, sharks have sensitive noses so if you are attacked by one you can at least attempt to punch its nose and hope that you have time to escape. However, if you are attacked by something otherwordly, something so beyond your understand of what the natural world is supposed to be like that you have no idea if you can even defend yourself, that's the kind of situation that is the most disturbing to humans.


 No.46435

>>42611

Gyo is still my favorite Junjishit manga if only because it was a longer story, had a genuine good ending, and also because it's probably the only one where he bothered to put in an explanation of the bizarre phenomenon. A half assed one, sure, but it just works.


 No.46442

>>45489

>kuro ihon & aka ihon

These are good.

>Shibito no Koe

Patrician taste. The megane club chief is best grill with MC's dead waifu a close second. I like how some of the stories are downright Lovecraftian and yet the main characters don't give a fuck.

>zashiki onna

Another great one. The unusual art style really amplifies the horror aspect. My favorite thing about it is how you are never really told if she was actually a demon or just a human freak, despite the title giving her character obvious supernatural connotations. And that ending was perfect.




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