/a/ - Animu & Mango

>caring about evangalion

>in 2019

Guess some people can't move on

>>938673

>not wanting to see how Anno ends this shitshow

I'm going to wait for a better stream or something. It keeps cutting out the animation.

>>938678

But anon, Jet Alone cannot be there since he's alone and dead.****

So, wait, they actually might not have been lying when they said 2020!?

I still remember the last Khara panel I went to.

>We have nothing to show, but, uh. We've come to announce Evangelion 4.0 will be released in 2020!

<No one makes a sound.

>...

>You don't believe us, do you?

>December 2012. After the production of EVANGELION: 3.0 YOU CAN (NOT) REDO, I was broken. A so-called depression set in. It was the comeuppance for six years that drained my soul. 2013 came and went. That was a year in which negative memories rumbled back, over and over. While I could represent myself, it became impossible for me to even physically go near the studio, even once, because of the burden of the next film [EVAGELION 4].

>>938695

Did even Anno know how bad 3.0 was?

>>938695

If Anno’s broken I actually have more hope for this movie.

>>938697

>3.0

>bad

It was plebfilter.

For anyone wondering what Anno goes through.

>>938722

Oh well. I loved Shin Gojira so I don't mind.

Looks good. I'm actually interested to see where they go with this.

>>938703

3.0 was the best one. Not to say the whole series wasn't a needless addition to Eva though.

>>938747

It unironically was. Kaworu in the Rebuilds is vastly improved. Retards are just upset that 3.0 is something different from the original.

>>938749

>Kaworu

The one thing I hated about it was the "explosive collar" bullshit. The setup was way too obvious.

>>938770

Plebfilter. You're supposed to notice it while Shinji hopes despite the facts starting at him and the viewer.

>>938700

He will only feel catharsis and the sweet release of death as the madman crashes the entire anime industry after otaku witness the masterpiece that is 3.0 + 1.0.

>>938770

Kaworu was dying for Shinji's sins. You've been plebfiltered.

>>938671

I still don't know anything about NGE besides fagboy not wanting to get inside the robot and ferret collectibles.

>>938794

Alright. Maybe you should watch it. It's pretty good.

>>938722

>>938723

Anno just threw more of his hack 2deep5me bullshit with the human mutant tail thing and the time skip. He knows how to rake in money I will give him that.

The animation looks very good and fluid, but I will never understand why people think those fight scenes are "cool". I'm not immersed at all, there are battleships floating in the sky, fight scenes are unpredictable and make zero intuitive sense. Kids sit around typing on a keyboard, oh I bet they are really helping. I read a lot of that guide someone posted earlier about GAINAX's beginnings and hosting sci-fi conventions, that was interesting. DAICON's opening animation makes sense, its a super powered girl fighting all the popular sci-fi characters, and it doesn't have to be "realistic". This movie, however, tries too hard to be deep where everything is so serious and they have to save their earth with these highly advanced robotic systems that somehow allow human manual control yet she can 360 perfectly and be a ballerina in the air (the pitch, yaw, roll calibration was cool I'll give them that). In comparison, Patlabor's theme of artificial intelligence gone wrong, software bugged, bio mutant creatures make more sense and I can actually believe it, not to mention their characters aren't 15-17 years old.

I wanted to post my feelings because I always thought these fight scenes (not the story) are something a kid could make up with a friend at recess. Its just so ridiculous and serious I can't like this.

>>938830

>I always thought these fight scenes (not the story) are something a kid could make up with a friend at recess.

That's exactly the appeal, though.

>>938830

It's because they're based on Ultraman and old Godzilla movies.

>>938831

Then I guess I'm not the type they are catering towards. I'm sick of seeing battles and not knowing who has the advantage. Nobody watching can even predict the next 5 seconds, be it the number of enemies, reinforcements, backup weapons, the surrounding environment. I love seeing the flow of battle wax and wane, different strategies applied and what works or doesn't work. Thanks for letting me know they actually intend to be "lol so random XD".

>>938832

Ah, it all makes sense now. I guess I got the wrong idea what these guys (directors, gainax, etc) in the sci-fi conventions actually wanted to aspire making.

One last thought I forgot about, GAINAX's first movie Honnemeise was amazing in terms of their battle scenes, even if they were short lived. I only wish they could have made more animation in that regard with nation versus nation warfare, I would have been a diehard fan.

>>938835

It wasn't even the point of the movie. You're definitely not who they were appealing to. The Gainax guys wanted to make what they felt was cool about SF. They were the wild guys at the cons who pushed the fact that anime and tokusatsu was Sci-Fi. The older crowd was more like your type who thought only serious stuff and not things aimed at children should be considered sci-fi.

>>938838

Thanks for your insight. Now I have a better perspective, I wonder where or what company caters to my desires. Companies overall have pushed my personality type away from even considering having anime as a hobby, or at least more difficult to find something I can enjoy. Maybe its good that this trend of catering to the easiest milking demographic for stable profit means I can pursue other hobbies that actually have depth! Or maybe the anime industry hasn't changed, and I simply have grown mentally out of the typical shounen/gundam phase I had as a kid, and wished I could latch on to something once more. The only thing I want to finish is LotGH and I only have about 4 episodes to go sadly.

>>938848

Yeah, anime has always been for children. Even stuff people claim is MANime like VOTOMS was made for children. I think this fact tends to go over most people's head when they try to talk about anime. It's for people who can appreciate things like "Fun things are fun. Cute things are cute. Cool things are cool."

Super Saiyan may be a shit plot device, but it's cool. That's what anime is. It's for people who can let go and be children.

Old Leiji Matsumoto, like Yamato, but it's still full of stuff that is just cool for the sake of it, lines that sound cool, etc.

Maybe you should get into novels, anon?

>>938852

Oh I have been branching out, and I do read sci-fi novels, though its only 40k. Lots of space marine battle series. I found things I can enjoy other than video games and anime. Its tough being alone (in terms of never hanging out with people) and having to find hobbies catered to being alone, which is either absorbing information of topics you love, bettering yourself, or just going about the day.

>>938671

I haven't watched Evangelion and I never will, is all that red stuff in the background the same stuff as in end of Evangelion?

>>938853

>though its only 40k

Well that's weird. The setting is almost completely build on rule of cool and the "science" part of the sci-fi is really low. It get's called fantasy in space for good reasons.

>>938864

Maybe he thinks it's unironically not silly.

>>938749

Forget about it being different, it skipped too much, people expected at least some decent exposition and got a middle finger, Anno can't stop hating on the fans using his meta-narrative to tell them to stop watching anime and yet he keeps making anime for that purpose.

At the very least it will look nice and sound nice and will finally end this shit. That is honestly all I want anyway.

>>938852

A lot of good stuff is made for children, like The Hobbit or Narnia.

>>938853

>only reads Warhammer novels

Read Dune and Starship Troopers, man.

>>938671

does anyone know why the original neon genesis thread is on page 9 and refuses to bump?

>>938671

see >>939062

>>939109

It's over bump limit.

>>938956

>All that CG

>EVAs have no weight to them

>Those retarded as fuck designs

I was coming in here just to post about this. I could go on forever about everything wrong in this one segment. My favorite part was the cut and paste drill robots standing in a line and just vibrating. Because that is totally how things taller than block flats will move. That shot was so perfectly devoid of artistry in every single aspect.

Still, the worst thing about CG is everyone saying it looks great when it's always jarring. Just what the fuck is wrong with people?

>>939115

Really? I thought bumplimit was at least 300 posts!?

>>939160

I think it's more like 250.

>>939160

It's 250, newfag.

>>938830

Mari literally stabbed the final enemy with the MOTHERFUCKING SPIRE OF THE EIFFEL TOWER. If you thought you were supposed to take any of this seriously, you have some misgivings. And it's not like that would even work! The Eiffel Tower is made of jointed wrought iron, not solid steel, so instead of bending and deforming, it would crumble and splinter like a child's sculpture made of toothpicks and hot glue, if you tried to ram it into something.

>>938951

Asuka was disgusted seeing Misato and Kaji having sex during Instrumentality. The idea that she'd actually experienced it beforehand is asinine.

>>939510

>Eiffel Tower

Don't you mean the Tokyo Tower?

>>939511

Did you even watch the footage? It's clearly the Eiffel Tower and it's directly said that they were in the remnants of Paris.

>>939517

Sorry, I didn't watch the whole thing and I was just guessing.

>>939510

> If you thought you were supposed to take any of this seriously, you have some misgivings.

At this point in the Rebuilds I doubt anyone is taking it seriously, it's just that people who still remember the original series and how (outside AT fields and that mystical science shit) most of the things that happened in the shows followed our understanding of physics and weren't a literal rip-off of generic mecha fights.

>Inb4 square cube law

Using that metric theoretically a being like evangelion or a mecha of similar size can exist as the maximum projected theoretical weight for an animal on land would be roughly 500 tons following some basic understanding of stress-capacity in real-life bones.

>>939536

I don’t even blame you for not sitting through ten minutes of technobabble and CGI homestly.

>>939540

>people who still remember the original series

Don't even try. The original Eva was just as silly.

I will still never watch any EVA media just because all discussions on it everywhere online are giant cluster fucks. I'd applaud Anno but he'd probably just kill himself anyway.

What if during the climax, it just cuts to a clip of Anno killing himself?

>>939536

>I didn't watch the whole thing

Normally this would invalidate your argument, but clearly you made the right choice in this case.

>>939647

>What if during the climax, it cuts to a clip of Anno having a climax, recreating the masturbation scene from EoE and then turning to look at the audience and saying "YOU'RE so fucked up!"

Should I watch the Netflix release of Evangelion or the original? Is the the one on Netflix bad? People keep shitting on it for some reason.

>>939709

Original. The Netflix one cuts out some iconic music and has some stuff resubbed.

>>939703

>What if during the climax, it cuts to a clip of Anno having a climax, recreating the masturbation scene from EoE and then turning to look at the audience and saying "YOU'RE so fucked up!"

Okay, this made me laugh.

>>938956

>All that CG

You're totally right, CG makes anything automatically SHIT. Wow, how can they not understand this yet? Why would they choose to use CG? It's not like the studio has made a name for itself as the best CG studio in Japan or anything.

EVERYTIME I see any CG, I'm immediately sick and have to vomit for a few minutes, it's horrible, how can they do this to us?

PLEB FILTER

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>>939852

This is why westerners shouldn't do anime

>>939852

>>939850

That's basically the plot of that one Evangelion doujin. He can't have the current rendition of Asuka so he keeps creating new worlds trying to be with her while the real Asuka is forced to watch herself get fucked repeatedly across multiple timelines until she mindbreaks.

>>939890

>why westerners shouldn't do anime

<This shit is present in Japanese shit and is essentially what happens in crap like Elfen Lied

>>939899

And that's why I hate Evangelion manga.

>>939852

You do realize that the entire reason Evangelion was unique compared to the other edgy gory anime like EF was because shit like constant rape and violence and abused is mind numbingly over the top to the point where it stops having any impact. The whole reason people were affected by scenes of brutality or wierdness in Evangelion was because it was always spaced out and used properly and treated as such, rather than having casual blood pinatas and dicks everywhere.

>>939852

There's a film called The Quiet Earth, where only two men and one woman are left on the Earth.

>>938834

>>938835

I hope you're still around.

Toshio Okada on Gunbuster:

>AUDIENCE: I have one question about GUNBUSTER. A lot of people in America don't know whether to consider it a serious story, or just a frivilous story, or a serious parody of space anime. How was GUNBUSTER treated in your mind when you made it?

>OKADA: The confusion is not only in the United States. Most of the Japanese otaku who saw it are confused about whether it's a parody, or whether it's meant as serious--whether the staff is serious, or just saying some bad jokes, but--basically what it was, when I made it, I found that every other science fiction plot was taken [LAUGHS]. The only thing I could find to make a real space science-fiction was to make a parody film. So basically, what I'm saying, is that if someone goes into space, you could take it two ways: you can make it, one, the story of a hero--or you can make a parody of it. To travel into space, that's a moment of history, and you could make it in a truthful style, a hero's story--or a parody, and it just basically depends on the viewer's side--of how to take the truth of that historical event--as a parody, or a hero's story. There are two components to GUNBUSTER: one, it's a robot animation where a girl goes out into space and destroys monsters; the other story is that it holds the concept that it's *impossible* for a girl to pilot a robot of that size, and then destroy all these monsters with kicks and punches. There are two impules that arise when you make animation: one, "This is a real, true story--it's got a plot, it's just not animation." But then that calms down, and that idealism turns cold, and it turns just into, "Oh, it's just anime, it's just animation--it's not something with a real plot." So, what I wanted to do in GUNBUSTER was combine those two elements: while you're watching a parody, and relaxing, you're thinking, "Oh, well, this is a parody," and then at the same time, with the plot, you see, you get the feeling, "It's great that I'm watching animation."

>>939947

Come on, anon. You've never read RE-TAKE?

>>939850

This, but instead of Shinji doing the rape, it's Kaworu. And Shinji just stands there watching this happen, silently weeping, because he failed so hard to get either of the people that wanted him, that they had to resort to fucking each other instead.

>>938671

>Anno actually delivers

Is it true?

I wonder if he'll try to tap into the bottomless well of evabucks again after this is finished. I wouldn't be surprised if he hates what he has created after this long, but I also find it hard to believe that this is the REAL ending and that he'll never touch Eva again after this.

>>940734

Unbelievable animation. This made my eyes water.

>>941172

Evangelion gatcha smartphone game when?

>>940734

>webm

Wow the stuff that comes out today truly is soulless garbage.

>>941212

Rei can't stop losing.

>>940734

What show is this from?

>>941277

It's Why don't you stop being a newfag you homo?

>>941284

Try to get higher IQ friends. Snarky replies aside, any of those gay Eva anal-isis videos might do for your purposes.

>>941284

If he doesn't enjoy the experience of "what the fuck did I just watch?" then no amount of explanation will redeem the watching of it. Let him rewatch it, or if he's a true faggot, let him watch gay anal-isis videos as per >>941286

>>941278

I’ve already seen that show actually, so it’s not that one.

>>941295

If you don't know what it is, you don't deserve to be spoonfed.

>>941216

Old Gainax was just full of people able to make masterpiece-level animation.

>>941284

Tell him he is right to question Anno's bullshit and not to get wrapped up like all the other suckers that have been spending 23 years believing that there was a 2deep4u message and just a director who ran out of money and shat out something last minute.

I liked the original Evangelion an its original end. Should I watch any of the new stuff?

>>942287

No.

>>941295

Look harder. The title is in this very thread.

>>941827

But that's completely wrong.

Anno had enough money. It was the most successful anime in a long time.

Anno, about half way through, talked to Okada and said he didn't know how to end it.

Anno never knows how to end anything. It's been that way since the beginning. Also, he had started working on the movie during production.

>>942359

Not the correct title, mind you.

>>942511

As I remember, the rumor was that the original footage for the last two episodes were lost because they were in the hands of the broadcaster. Supposedly Takeda asked Anno whether this was true and Anno could only reluctantly confirm. I can't remember the source right now.

Also remember that it was only successful when it was re-aired as a late-night anime. Originally it had been broadcast in a morning slot intended for younger audiences.

>>942533

No, the episodes that were lost were not the last two episodes, it was somewhere in the middle. It wasn't Takeda who talked about it, but Okada.

http://www.j-pop.com/anime/archive/feature/04_gal_999/otaking8.html

>OKADA: Oh! I think producers always say that. But I talked with Mr. Anno about this a month ago, and then he said, "I'm *almost* the producer of EVANGELION, but I must be so, because Tatsunoko did not do anything for EVANGELION." See, he is very disappointed with Tatsunoko, and some rumors have said that Tatsunoko lost the film, or cels before they were shot.

>AUDIENCE: Wow!

>OKADA: And I asked Mr. Anno, "Is it the truth?" And he says, in a dark voice, "Yes."

>AUDIENCE: Oh, wow.

>OKADA: But that was in the middle of the episodes. That wasn't the trouble with the last two episodes, the confusion. It was just Mr. Anno's teleplay. He said to me, "I can make a schedule on my own."

And here's the proof of my claims. Granted this is from Okada, who had stepped down from Gaianx just before Eva.

>AUDIENCE: EVANGELION, of course, is the first Gainax anime that you did not produce. Now that it's all over, and you look back at it, can you say how it would have been different, had you yourself produced it? Would it have been different in style, or mood?

>OKADA: I think the style, or mood, of EVANGELION, is not so far, not so different, from the serious side of GUNBUSTER or NADIA. The biggest difference would have been in the style of planning the last episode. My style is to always plan the ending *first,* as I did with GUNBUSTER--everything then follows from that. In NADIA, Mr. Anno couldn't decide on the ending--it wasn't fixed until only three months before the final episode was shown. So subsequently, I was confused about NADIA, and there was a lack of control over the various episodes. EVANGELION is a very great series--I think it's one of the top anime ever made. But--the last scenes were never fixed. When I talked to Mr. Anno a month ago, he said he couldn't decide the ending until the time came. That's his style. So, if I had made EVANGELION with him, I couldn't do such a thing. I'd think I'd have to fix the ending, what would happen with every character. Then, everything would follow: the first episode, the second episode...If I wanted to show a boy's coming-of-age story, a *bildungsroman,* the last scene would show the grown-up man; the first scene, a boy who hates everything about the adult world. That would be the structure; I'm very careful about a regular construction. But Mr. Anno's style on EVANGELION was not so. He wants to put it together episode-by-episode. It's just like the style of a manga. In your typical manga, the artist doesn't have any picture of the last scene, or the last episode. They just think of building up on past episodes. And finally, the manga artist, and his assistants, and editor...[BURIES HEAD IN HANDS], they work out an idea about the last sequence. If it's a good idea, the whole episode is very good. If they can't make a good idea, the whole episode is not so good. It's an unhappy story. And I think that's what happened with the last two episodes of EVANGELION. Mr. Anno and his staff couldn't make a good idea for it. He told an anime magazine in Japan that he couldn't make what he wanted because of schedule or budget. But that's not correct. I talked with Mr. Yamaga and Mr. Anno. They said, "It's not only a problem of schedule or budget. It's a problem of what the ending is going to be." Mr. Anno couldn't decide. Mr. Anno's and my own style of production are very different.

>>942706

Pretty much.

>>942543

The links dead. Do you expect us to believe you?

>>942816

The fuck, I don't know how that happened.

It's all in here. https://web.archive.org/web/20001217080300/http://www.j-pop.com/anime/archive/feature/04_gal_999/otaking2.html

Daily reminder that yankees are into anime for the faps, they don't give a shit about actual shows and story. They hate Evangelion just like their dad hated it, and all anime in 96.

Japan has shonens, shoujos and more; the only genre in American fandom is jacking off.

>>938674

>Shinji cries

>Everyone dies

>Someone turns into a glowing menstruating white giant then dies

>Shinji is the last person alive along with some girls

>stupid waifu wars continue for another 20 years

The End.

>>941284

Tell him not to bother and watch something else. It has no meaning because Anno wrote this by pulling shit out of his ass and looking up random foreign symbolism online while going insane from a self-induced mental breakdown caused by too much drinking and ogling animu figurines.

>>943080

What are you on about? Gaijin boomers love this crap because its "deep" to them. Meanwhile gaijin zoomers hate it because its too lewd.

>>943080

Yankees were told Japan were evil slimy bastards because never forget Pearl Harbor and grandad fought in the war. All anime was associated with devil worship and witchcraft. We didn't get anime regularly here until long after everyone else.

>>943080

Daily reminder that Rebuild is fucking shit compared to NGE and shouldn't exist as something related to that and instesd be it's own thing.

>>943095

>Shinji cries

>Gendo lies

>Rei bakes pies

>Everyone dies

>>938861

>is all that red stuff in the background the same stuff as in end of Evangelion?

It's unconfirmed currently. There's a lot of complicated theories about what's going on in the world of the rebuilds, but it seems like there was a partial End of Evangelion style event which fucked the planet up and turned everything red.