/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>833735

Boy, that's weird. So, when this says Patlabor the Movie 3 is in an alternate setting does that mean it shares ZERO continuity with the first 2? If so that would be strange to have the third movie so disconnected even if it's made a decade later.

Since that Reboot movie is mad in 2016 I can only assume it's not great.

>>833736

Which bits did you have a hard time with? I felt like I got all of it so maybe I can help you out.

>>833737

The 'villain' was never present providing an ominous threat and somehow planned this autistic plan to wipe out a lot of buildings?, maybe it's just an unorthodox kind of writing and storytelling that threw me off

The second movie is my favourite animated work of all times. I recommend you see it.

I watched both movies close together, and I'm usually a sucker for scifi and mecha, but these just didn't grab me. I did like the idea of complex proprietary software creating rogue labors that needed to be patched though. Kinda parallels the idea of nonfree vs. free software to me.

The last fight of the first movie was really good, I liked it.

The second one got so confusing for me by the end I was scratching my head and wondering what was going on. I guess I missed alot of info.

>>833742

He basically set a bomb to go off later on, well after he died. His motivation is clearer if you under 2 things. 1. His hatred for how this constant industrial progress was wiping out the past and any historical buildings without any heed for tradition or respect for the old things. Many people say the same things of the construction in certain cities in real life. 2. He was obsessed with the tower of babel story from the bible. God (Eiichi Hoba) wanted to punish man (the government, industrial companies, etc) for their hubristic attempt to reach heaven (destroying tokyo bay to make more land for tokyo to expand into) through the use of their advanced tools (labors). So he (god) confused their speech, meaning he made them all speak different languages, (put the virus into the labors that would make people distrust and hate them after the havoc they caused) so that even with all their mighty tools, they would be divided and incapable of reaching the heavens (with the public outcry against the government, the industries and the technology of labors themselves the babylon project would likely never have been finished). He's like the unabomber with christian streak.

it is unorthodox to not have the villain appear at all, but one could argue that what makes him a compelling character in that you felt his presence throughout the entire movie even well after his death. He even won in a way. Maybe not completely, but without the ark, which they were forced to destroy, and without the HOS it will many more years to complete babylon. Even as the Chief said. "It's lose/lose" for them and "win/win" for Eiichi Hoba.

>>833747

I am absolutely going to see it. The only thing I am debating on is whether I should the third movie and the TV show.

>>833752

>The only thing I am debating on is whether I should the third movie and the TV show.

This is why I stopped where you are now a while back. I could never decide if I wanted to wait until after the TV show to watch Patlabor 2 so I could watch it all in release order.

It's been more than a year now.

>>833733

To answer your question as to why no one talks about it ask yourself what everyone else is talking about instead. There is so many shows every season that people don't know the classics anymore. instead of some oldfag throwing out a list of must watch or you aren't a fan you can just jump on whatever seasons hit show and you're good to go. Nothing to be done.

>>833873

That's retarded especially since 90% of any media is crap. Might as well enjoy that 10% of good older shows that have built up over the years instead of wasting on shit that will be forgotten.

I just finished Patlabor 2 and here are some of my unsorted thoughts on it.

This one was much more of a contemplative political thriller compared to the cop thriller that was the first movie. I also felt that Mamoru Oshii's recognizable style that seemed to start to come into its own in P1 fully blossomed in P2. I have to say the writers/director/whoever must love biblical quotes, though this time it was not as plot integral. If you liked the cast from the first movie and the OVAs I feel like this movie might annoy you as they barely show up. This really felt like Mamoru Oshii making a poltical thriller and less a Patlabor movie. I imagine the parts that really stick with people are the themes of peace and war. Specifically how close we are to slipping from one into the other and the particularly japanese idea that peace in some ways is supported by sin, and is dishonest or hypocritical in a sense, but still preferable to a "just" war. I didn't like the soundtrack as much this time as the film was filled with those long quiet scenes that the director is known for.

>>834883

You forgot to say how the first movie promotes free software in a indirect way.

>>834883

I was only repeating something Goto said in the film. My own thoughts on the matter are that Oshii came out of the Vietnam protests generation of Japan and his view of peace and war are obviously shaped by that. There is obviously a sort of "Tax" a complex society must collect in terms of resources and that is often collected from the 3rd world. Obviously certain characters view this as staining your hands with blood yet without ever doing the dirty work, all while acting their society was "peaceful" or "civilized", and viewed it as hypocritical or turning a blind eye. I would have liked to ask "So what is the alternative, commit endless wars to acquire resources, or just allow our civilizations to collapse?" I think the true irony of it all is that exploiting the 3rd world through trade IS more ethical than anything we've done in the past. Pointing out that it is not perfect does not invalidate it or make it hypocritical. I remember reading someone refer to Mamoru Oshii as a "disillusioned marxist" and I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. He certainly seems to take a dim view of a capitalist society filled with meaningless amenities that cause the 3rd world to indirectly suffer, but fails to see the benefits of money flowing in the hands of these very people, eventually uplifting them out of poverty. Very different from the far less ethical option of simply killing them and taking their crap.

>>835031

I certainly understand I was watching something made by people who gave a shit and were having fun when I first watched it. Though that sea monster episode was goofy as fuck, even outright copying godzilla plotpoints.

>>834883

Whoever wrote that chart sounds like a massive fag.

>>834883

>using "Future Fash" to describe Patlabor, a series known for how grounded it is in regards to mecha

Holy fuck I want to gas the nigger that made this.

>>834883

Holy shit, I made that. Never thought it would get back to /a/.

>>835265

Good choices, but your descriptions are fucking awful.

>>835265

Why did you include Time Travel Shoujo?

>>835260

>why Eichi's robot birds all make second appearances despite him being gone.

I think it's just meant to be a reference to the first movie.

>>835265

Did you even watch Patlabor when you made that nigger chart?

>>835375

Thanks.

Reading it now gives me panic attacks of embarrassment.

>>835479

Because it had just aired and I was running off the high of having just seen it.

>>835503

Only the OVAs.

>>835265

Why did you include Minority Report 2: Electric Boogaloo?

>>835535

>Only the OVAs.

And you still claimed it "future fash"? Bullshit you watched it.

>>835566

What are you getting at? I wrote that when the term was first being invented and it meant positive futurism and near future aesthetic. I don't know if it's changed since then.

I don't know why you're so harsh on that when I wrote something stupid and outright embarrassing like "Trumpenreich" in the same column.

>>835569

You're being bullied for making a shit chart and letting it spread. At least you admit to being a faggot.

>I wrote that when the term was first being invented and it meant positive futurism and near future aesthetic.

If you say so. Point is, faggot fash doesn't apply at all to Patlabor, which has basically a 20 minutes into the future look with mechs. It's not that stupidly saturated, neon gay day-gloo "look how eighties I am!" bullshit.

>>835535

>Reading it now gives me panic attacks of embarrassment.

How much have your politics changed since then?

>>835535

>>835569

Well, if it makes you feel any better anon, I would never have known of such great works such as Patlabor, Captain Harlock or Arslan Senki if it weren't for your autistic chart. I don't think the idea of compiling anime of high artistic achievement with a dash of /pol/itical theming is bad, but your execution was. Seriously, Time Travel Shoujo is /pol/ tier? Maybe someone will make a better edit of it in the future. In any case, don't beat yourself up over it.

>>835587

>stupidly saturated, neon gay day-gloo "look how eighties I am!" bullshit.

See, this is what I always tried to fight against in those threads. Now it's just a particular style rather than a cultural shift. The ideology was always just positive futurism and 80's shit was just supposed to be an aspect of it.

>>835637

Absolutely none. I'm more NatSoc than ever. Although I'm less optimistic about Trump.

>>835656

Well, that's good. I see it posted on /pol/ from time to time still and it makes me want to make my ver. 3 that I've been kicking around.

The reason I made it was because no one else was making it while everyone was just talking about it and I was tired of defending anime from the goons. I probably aimed at the lowest common denominator on that board when I wrote it.