/a/ - Animu & Mango

That's a damn fine idea

Wasn't the ending of the manga crap too?

>>795417

The ending of the FMA manga was crap, yes.

>>795400

Please don't. And don't shitpost either.

>>795409

For a retard, sure.

>>795417

Yes.

>>795427

Yes, so don't repeat the mistake.

>>795400

Brotherhood was more cliched than fma, ironic considering it was anime original slapdash effort.

I'd kill for a reboot of the .FMA. anime which just fixes the last third instead of trying to follow the manga which is filled with garbage charactera wasting time.

>>795427

It really wasn't. It ties every loose end the series had, which the first anime's ending doesn't do, and is significantly more coherent.

I don't know why people are so crazy about the first FMA's ending, it's so weird with Rose's bigger involvement and traveling to our world. It felt like bad fanfiction to me even in 2003.

>>795441

I dont know anyone who likes the anime ending but I dont like brotherhoods ending either not to mention i care a lot less for the characters in brotherhood. Brotherhoods cast size is a joke and you could drop all of them (strictly speaking even the original anime has unnecessary characters) they're just annoying distractions. And them having to fight "god" is an incredibly silly escalation of their conflict.

>>795440

FMA's manga had far better consistency and told a better story than the 2003 anime.

As for Soul Eater, it was never as big. Plus the endings sorta match, with the three MCs fighting Asura. You just miss out on some of the Death Scythe characters and the moon invasion.

>>795417

Do shonens ever have good endings?

>>795456

I feel the 2003 anime handled the homunculi better, I also liked Scar a lot more in 2003. In the end it just comes down to how much you want your anime to ape the manga.

>>795459

You could say that of everything, you can also add "development" to your question.

Beginnings are often made right to bait though.

>>795441

>>795456

The big problem of FMA is that it doesn't know if it's a good shonen or a bad seinen.

It would have been perfect if:

1) It kept the same dark ambiance as the first serie.

2) Got an ending that's not "the power of friendship" and all that bullshit. Most people liked the fact that a shonen got a bad ending (kind of) in the first serie.

3) Got rid of the typical shonen shit of "beaten enemies are in fact poor victims of circumstances/nice/become friend with the hero". I mean, fuck, even Father was just a curious motherfucker, in the end. I want real evil to SMASH WITH MY BIG FIST OF JUSTICE.

>>795471

2003 anime did handle the homunculi much better and Scar was better off in the 2003 run as well. The problem with the anime was that there was a lot of missed potential. The manga was pretty good, but it bogged itself down in characters. The Eastern characters didn't need to be there and they just took away from the two brothers.

>>795483

The ending was going to suck as soon as blob of darkness showed up. The final evil was such a huge letdown. I really preferred the 2003 ending in comparison and I even had some issues with that ending during its original run. The homunculi got better endings and Envy was a much better character, even though just about every character was paper thin.

Their father's ex returning for revenge was a better story than blob of evil in a jar that isn't so evil.

>>795562

Yes, let new anime appear, not revive shit.

And yes, DBZ is shit, FMA is shit, SE is shit.

>>795562

I know what you wanted from the thread but it's your fault you can't make a proper OP and it turned like this.

>>795574

My OP was fine thank you very much.

>>795652

>fine

For reddit maybe, low effort shittasted faggot

>>795652

Nice attitude, dumbass. If it were fine don't you think people would be talking about how a new Soul Eater anime adaptation could be instead of FMA? Fucking think before saying stupid shit like that.

A good OP is pretty fucking important, low effort single sentences OP like "Soul Eater: Brotherhood when?" are fucking terrible. You can't just throw a subject out there and expect people to put some effort into talking about it if not even you will do it. At least write some of your own thoughts.

>>795672

Pretty obvious from OP that I was wanting one, considering how good Soul Eater was up until the point it diverged from the Manga.

>>795673

>considering how good Soul Eater was up until the point it diverged from the Manga

Nobody cares about what you want. SE was fine it doesn't need to be revived just to fuck with it.

>>795562

Why would you ever want it to follow the manga? The manga had a terrible ending.

>>795483

>I want real evil to SMASH WITH MY BIG FIST OF JUSTICE.

That sounds so one-dimensional though. How do you construct a compelling villain if they're just bad for the sake of being bad? I'm not suggesting that every good antagonist needs a pitiable backstory, but there needs to be a substantive cause and effect for their character and ambition. Couple that with one or a number of other characters that contrast with their attitude and you at least have a bad guy that's palatable. Griffith is the foremost example I can think of at the moment.

>>795508

I still need to rewatch 03 since I can only remember vague bits pertaining to the ending, but I rewatched Brotherhood not too long ago and my biggest gripes with it would have to be the jarring juxtaposition of light-hearted scenes and humor; it really bogged down the tone. Everything else was fine. Even though the Eastern characters took up at lot of screen time, they still served to illustrate some concept and expanded upon the world scale. Some episodes could be cut from the mid-portion of the series to improve the pacing. Father and Envy's archetypes felt a bit cliche, but otherwise balanced out with the Elrics. Conclusion went for the feel-good route, but I can't take issue with that since the original's was not the case. The narrative of Brotherhood is just a lot tighter than what I recall of 03 and that's probably its greatest strength.

>>795819

>How do you construct a compelling villain if they're just bad for the sake of being bad?

Just look at reality and how subhumans act. Goblin Slayer did it well, because evil comes from the goblins' nature, not any retarded MIND=BLOWN reason.

>>795819

>the jarring juxtaposition of light-hearted scenes and humor

That's just the manga-ka's style. Someone once called her out on that in an interview, and she said that she felt a story should be enjoyable, not depressing. So she crams in random humor and the character turning into chibis or whatever, to defuse dramatic scenes right after they happen (often AS they happen). I can understand her intention, but the timing is just bad. All you get is mood whiplash unless there's some separation between the two. Even before the divergence from canon, '03 took care to minimize that sort of thing.

You can compare the scene after they fight Scar (and both get blow'ed to pieces) and Al punches Ed in the face in anger at his being willing to lay down his life. In '03, it happens pretty much exactly like a punch to the face would be: heavy and cold; in Brotherhood, Ed turns into a static drawing and spins around in space while the others look on with white "fright lines" over their heads. The thing is, in either case the scene IS then defused by a moment of levity, when Al's arm breaks off and he complains about how broken he is. The difference is the timing. '03 allows the weight of that punch to be dramatic, to be forceful and important; Brotherhood does not, because it plays it off as mere comic violence.

>>795848

Believing in "good" and "evil" as immutable, inborn character traits is childish. In reality, it's also the reason for every war of ideology, every cruel religion, and every instance of racism. Just don't.

>>796015

>Believing in "good" and "evil" as immutable, inborn character traits is childish. In reality, it's also the reason for every war of ideology, every cruel religion, and every instance of racism. Just don't.

Holy shit, you're an imbecile. I can't know if you're pretending or not to be a retard.

Finished brotherhood recently. Father and his ultimate fate might have been more compelling if we knew more about him.

Otherwise found it more interesting than the old version, though I'm personally not much in favor of heavy tone segregation.

Can't get over how the final solution was so simple yet so fitting. Equivalent exchange, just trade it back.

Also both Ed and Winry being absolutely adorkable.

>>796015

Morals are never the actual reason for war, no matter how the politicians sell their war to the people.

>>796036

It's cute when children squeal like this. Stick their fingers in their ears and whine "NUH UH!" when you tell them something they don't want to hear.

>>796290

It was too convenient in timing. Yes, trade away your superpower immediately after you won't need it anymore because the bad guy was defeated. Not like he actually lost anything important; 99% of people live without being able to use alchemy. Compared to Truth previously taking limbs and organs, it just seems weak. It only works in context because it's a series about alchemy, so artificially inflates the importance of it.

>>796978

>It was too convenient in timing.

Eeeh, the series of events leading up to it gave it some pretty solid justification.

First of all it was preceded by Al trading his soul back for Ed's arm, which after the battle is a logical kickstart for the idea of trading back whatever special knowledge allows someone to use their arms as the "circle."

>Compared to Truth previously taking limbs and organs, it just seems weak.

Eeeh, we if we're talking comparison between anime versions, the implication that good karma was currency isn't much better.

>>796306

Also this.

>>799302

Thanks for reminding me how much I disliked THAT part, too. Thing is, any "transaction" with Truth is never an equal trade. The entire POINT of the series was to prove that "equivalent exchange" is bunk. Interestingly, someone once said the main difference between the first anime and Brotherhood was the conclusion that the brothers learned. In the first one, it was "equivalent exchange is wrong: sometimes you can give and give, but end up with less in return because people suck and fate is unkind," while in Brotherhood it was "equivalent exchange is wrong: sometimes you can give and give, but end up with more in return because people are loving and fate is kind." Truth always seemed to take something very important, and offer a pittance in return. Call it his profit margin. So the idea that Ed sold his arm to attach Al's soul to armor is fine, but it shouldn't be able to go back the same way. Al should have had to sacrifice MORE to get back the same value.

>>799336

The idea that Truth is an intelligence that only punishes the arrogant works until you get to Mustang. Truth took his eyesight as the price for opening the Gate when he, himself, didn't do a goddamn thing. He wasn't even forced to open the Gate; he was just THERE when the gold-toothed man was forced to open it. He was literally just collateral damage. That painted Truth as more of a force of nature that just takes what it can get from whatever is in front of it. Certainly, this isn't the kind of thing you can "bargain" with, that gives a flying fuck about sacrifice or appropriateness. It devalues the importance of Truth immensely. Just like with Satan, if you deal with him, you'll always lose.

>>799421

Very good point. Maybe the author just winged it near the end and threw the character consistency of Truth out the window just to have a "happy ending"?

>>799473

Not the pretentious faggot with good insight into the story-anon but it seems like the mangaka needed Mustang to perform human transmutation but didn't think through it well, and did a horrible asspull. Non of it makes sense

>Mustangs punishment:

Up till this point it only took physical things, limbs, organs and entire bodies, Al's souls was just moved onto the thing they transmutated, but for Mustang he took his eyesight, which is pretty vague, might as well just take his eyes.

>The truth punishing Mustang

There's no reason for it, he was somehow, "forced to be part of a human trasmuttation, he didn't even do it, how come he get's punished, I get there's a price for opening the door, but it would seem there's no moral just a toll to pay for opening the door, which doesn't fit well to the ironic punishments.

>Pride transmutating

This is never explained/foreshadowed or touched upon, until this point all alchemy done by homunculous is either regeneration or something extremely specific

I'd agree this is one of the major plot holes and probably a sign of rushing.

Tsubaki best girl

>>801919

>might as well just take his eyes

The manga was ending soon and to do that would take him out of the picture entirely for the final battle.

>There's no reason for it, he was somehow, "forced to be part of a human trasmuttation, he didn't even do it, how come he get's punished, I get there's a price for opening the door, but it would seem there's no moral just a toll to pay for opening the door, which doesn't fit well to the ironic punishments.

He still did it, even if he was forced to do it. And the ironic punishment does fit well, Father states it in the next episode.

>>802968

The point of this was to make me fucking angry that it existed.