/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>790092

The apple is just a reference to the bible.

>>790092

Reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly?

Who'd have known. I feel smarter now

>>790295

apple defense force right here

oranges best fruit fight me

>>790092

That's more of a coincidence, than anything.

The reason they're in there is for religious symbolism, with the in universe justification being Ryuk finds them tasty.

>>790499

This. Death Note was full of christian motif and shit just to be edgy. Apples were the same.

>>790103

>The apple is just a reference to the bible.

Then every apple you see ever is a biblical reference. Sometimes it's just random.

>>790106

The entire plot revolves around an object created by a supernatural creature that falls out the sky and gives a man a power nobody else has, giving him delusions of being a god and seeing fit to judge all humans on earth, which ends in his hubris being punished, and you're saying "sometimes an apple is just an apple"? They're beating you over the head with the Book of Genesis here.

>>790572

Ok but what does it mean the Ryuk gets the apple from the human world? Since Ryuk is a God, he should be giving apples away, not getting them

There were two trees in the garden.

The tree of knowledge, of good and bad and the tree of life.

It was never mentioned that the fruit was an apple.

Use this info and make your own theory.

There were two trees.

Two fruits.

And there are two things.

Fruit and notebook.

Adam and Eve.

One for knowledge and one for eternal life.

To achive godhood you need both.

That is why they were banished.

Because he wasn’t angry of their disobedience, he was scared that they may lay hands on the other tree.

>>790617

If I pull at that tail, will you die?

>>790618

It would be economically painful.

>>790619

You’re a fluffy fox

>>790295

Pears are better in literally every way.

>>790606

To be perfectly pedantic, apples didn't exist back then, so one COULDN'T have been in the Garden. Most scholars believe it was likely a pomegranate, and then some retard messed up the translation.

>>790672

Enjoy your ulcers.

>>790685

I had a pomegranate once, and I'm convinced that "eating one" has to be some sort of practical joke. The fuckers are filled with goddamn woodchips.

>>790687

>Getting ulcers from fruit

What are you, a middle aged stress ridden woman?

>>790630

Pear quality is as stable as Space Dandy episodes'.

>>790685

> then some retard messed up the translation

I've never seen or heard of a translation that has apple, I just checked an online bible that has a ton of translations and there are only 10 uses of the word apple and none of them are in genesis.

You made that shit up.

>>791157

I think the only edible part is the purple juicy stuff around the seeds? You don't eat them like other fruit.

>>791212

>>791157

>The material inside the arils is tart and juicy and surrounds the white seeds of the pomegranate fruit. When a pomegranate is cut, you might assume the arils are the seeds, but this is a misconception. The arils and crunchy white seeds are the only edible portions of the pomegranate

It looks like only part of a pomegranate is actually edible.

>>791230

>>790092

>The apple is about them sharing their method of nutrition

Humans and Shinigami really can coexist, all we need to do is swap food sources (apples for human lives).

>>791157

>>791212

>>791230

Wait, hold up, /a/ hasn't eaten a pomegranate before? It's like eating a spiked melon. You suck out the seeds/seed flesh and only eat those.

>>798680

Use a spoon, faggot!

>>790512

Everything you ever see is a biblical reference because God is omnipresent.

>>798803

I eat mine like an apple. I just take a big bite out of it.

>>798821

>not all things are as they seem.

If you look like a fag, you're a fag, fag.

>>798821

The image is pretty spot on.

In my country we have entrance exams for colleges and sometimes in the language portion of the tests they have segments of poetry or books or music for people to interpret. More than once they had contemporary music there, asked for an interpretation of what was being said, and then after they released the answer key the author of the music they asked about showed up and said they did not mean what the question said they meant. English teachers fucking love doing this shit, thinking they understand the hidden meanings of things.

Deat Note is gay

Apples are not great

Pineapple is where it's at

Death Note is so bad!

It's not readable in any form

It's not watchable in any form

It's queer as I don't like it

>>798846

Your poem is shit and so are you as a person.

>>798781

>Everything you ever see is a biblical reference because God is omnipresent.

Please point out where my onahole is referenced in the bible.

>>798821

Authorial intent and death of the author type stuff are often bad rabbit holes to fall down, as most authors are not complete beings who have attained enlightenment and learned how to write from a place of pure literary artistry. More often than not, authors just end up projecting their own insecurities into their deep allegorical works, and the literature critics end up ignoring that and end up projecting just as much, assuming that insignificant things represent bigger things.

Have you seen all those people who now treat Harry Potter like some sort of political allegory? JK Rowling was just some failure of a person who started scribbling ideas she lifted from several other kids and YA books, and then when the series took off, she just kept smashing more dumb shit into the stories because she had no idea what she was doing. That's why the worldbuilding is shit and there are plotholes everywhere... But the doesn't stop idiots from pretending she was secretly writing some grand social commentary.

>>798846

Now what is the authorial intent behind this work of poetry?

>>798850

The tale of Onan

>>798851

>Authorial intent and death of the author type stuff are often bad rabbit holes to fall down, as most authors are not complete beings who have attained enlightenment and learned how to write from a place of pure literary artistry. More often than not, authors just end up projecting their own insecurities into their deep allegorical works, and the literature critics end up ignoring that and end up projecting just as much, assuming that insignificant things represent bigger things.

"The Author is dead" is worse because people then claim a series is whatever they want it to mean, they slap an allegory on it and even while the author is alive they'll claim even to the author's face that their allegory head-canon is the true meaning of a work. Literary analysis should have stayed limited to a historical context where you piece together a historical perspective so you can understand the work as best as possible. But hacks took the idea that some things can be symbolic and took it to the extreme that all things are symbolic, regardless of that being the intention.

What we have now is a mess where people keep viewing things with the lens that everything is 2deep4u, and in the absence of supporting evidence they'll just flat out insert their allegory. Just because you can view something as an allegory or it having symbolism doesn't mean those are self-evidently valid.

>Have you seen all those people who now treat Harry Potter like some sort of political allegory? JK Rowling was just some failure of a person who started scribbling ideas she lifted from several other kids and YA books, and then when the series took off, she just kept smashing more dumb shit into the stories because she had no idea what she was doing. That's why the worldbuilding is shit and there are plotholes everywhere... But the doesn't stop idiots from pretending she was secretly writing some grand social commentary.

It only gets worse when you go down the rabbit hole of the series being an elaborate ghost writing venture and JK Rowling being a hired actress. This explains why she can't answer basic things on the series and why when she tries to pander to people on twitter her pandering attempts contradict her books. I admit I'm not 100% sold on that but the more I look into it the more likely that's the case because otherwise it doesn't explain the strange circumstances around her being the sole writer.

I'm guessing Ryuk just likes apples because it was an interesting seeming character trait to write on a character sheet.

Biting the apple, as in biting the fruit of knowledge (the existence of the death note)

Light bites it in the first opening.

It's supposed to symbolize that Light is going to sin and is not worthy of heaven.

The rest of the apple use on Ryuk is just some sort of trait of the character to try and make it an ongoing joke that he really likes apples.

Nothing else to it.

>>798850

>For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for forbidden love.

>>790106

They are the proof that Ryuk and Holo are the best characters,

>>799002

Except "character that likes apples" is a very often repeated theme in a lot of modern media.

Apple the company, the logo of which is a bitten apple

The pirate captain whatshisface in Pirates of the carribean

The fox girl in that fox anime

It's simply there to proclaim the author's allegiance to the devil.

>>790295

You wouldn't happen to be a lizard would you?

>>790487

Oranges suck

>>791257

Wasn't this the whole idea he likes them. I think I remember a line comparing them to cigarettes. Anything relatively healthy and nutritious to a death god is like cigarettes to them?

>>790092

Apples are a reference to sin/danger in western religion/folklore, which nips love to reference.

>>798859

You only think this because you're not a writer. The human brain cannot store meticulous and perfect facts about an entire fictional world, sufficient to answer any question about it. Every writer worth their salt will have pages upon pages of notes to keep their canon in line. Tolkien wrote basically an entire encyclopedia for himself to define the history and lore of LoTR. George RR Martin I guarantee has an extensive set of notes, enough to wallpaper an entire room. On topic for this board, I'm sure Oda and Togashi have them, too (Kishimoto probably not; Toriyama DEFINITELY not). Rowling maybe didn't do a very god job with her notes, because it was literally her first foray into writing. You can tell that Stephanie Meyer didn't have jack shit.

But the point is, an author SHOULD recognize that answering questions about things in an interview, without being able to consult those notes, is idiotic. It's like voluntarily shutting off half your brain and then attempting to answer trivia questions. Of course she's going to screw things up. Does anyone question that Toriyama is the sole writer of Dragonball, despite frequently contradicting his own canon? Don't be ridiculous.

A lot of times, the answer to a particular question isn't going to be what the person wants. Most often it'll be stuff like: "that's just a meaningless coincidence", "I never really thought about that", "I ran out of names so I used one twice", "I couldn't fix that plot hole without messing with the narrative", "I never even noticed THAT plot hole", "I didn't put much thought into that part because it wasn't important", "that character is an asshole just because I needed an asshole character", "I picked that detail at complete random", "that character died for no reason", "I had them teleport because otherwise the timeline would fall apart and I'd have to rewrite half the book" or, my personal favorite, "I can't answer that because it will spoil something from the sequel".

>>810943

Yeah, and Tolkien still screwed up his mythos.

>>810974

What was Aragon's tax policy?

>>811010

His tax policy was 7-7-7.

7% on Rohan, 7% on Gondor, and 700% on those filthy fuckers from Mordor. He funded most of the rise of Men by selling orcs as slaves to the Haradrim. Did you know that if you pile ten dozen orcs next to one another, they can pull about as much weight as a small oliphant? The more you know. Wait, you don't want to be a slave...? Well, how about getting the Flame of The West crammed up your asshole? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Oh, and using the palantir to spy into Arwen's changing room goes for 50 gold coins per hour. Don't even think about telling anyone, or he'll switch them out, and you'll go insane seeing the flaming hands of Denethor, instead; it's bad news.

>>790295

That's not how you spell quince.

>>811206

>Some things have no meaning, therefore NOTHING HAS MEANING!

There are two ways to slide easily through life: to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both ways save you from thinking.

Im just saying that you cant put symbolism into everything otherwise the couch I bought could somehow symbolize something drastically retarded when really i just bought a couch because my old one broke. Not symbolizing that I now am moving up in the world. Sometimes an apple is an apple. Sometimes the meaning of a stamp is more than the image it prints. Im just saying that people sometimes read into things waaaaay more than they should and honestly its a bit autistic. I can do symbolism in moderation. I wont go around thinking that an apple is the symbol of a 100 different things in the show. Perhaps people are trying to add more depth in a show that stopped being relevant years ago yet they keep trying to rehash it. Perhaps the show was really about a guy who wanted to be more than what he was, claimed he was doing it in the name of justice but never truely gave a single shit about why, since he just cared that he had the power to control peoples fate and took the easy way out by trying to be the "Good Guy" by being judge, jury and executioner which at the same time never really accomplished anything. The entire show, while entertaining just didnt do much. Light didnt do really anything to change the country or the world. He just killed off a handful of criminals, got killed for it and is now floating in purgatory like the retard he is, making no real dent in anything worthwhile in history.

>>811257

>walls of autistic text

Please contain yourself.

>>790295

Enjoy your worm faggot

>>790106

>>798819

/thread

>>790295

Apart from pears (which are the shittest of the shit tier fruits), apples are the worst.

Cherries are the fruit of the gods. I could eat them every day if I could afford to.

>>790092

Shinigami are fallen angels, celestial/spiritual beings that are fated to co-exist with the divine creation.

Magic (death note) is the ability to manipulate physical reality, or the linear human experience of time/dimension/that reality, through spiritual means. Belief is a spiritual power, and deception or obfuscation of truth is a manipulation of that power. Believing in the power of the death note, eating that fruit bestowed by a "god" of death, gives one the power to harvest the fruit of the tree of life, or the souls of others.

The soul is the harvest, the ultimate distillation of an individual's will, which can be represented by the fruit. The knowledge of how to harvest the fruit itself stems from the fruit as well, the seed of one apple creates another.

>>811260

>ad hominem

Please contain yourself.

>ctrl+f

>no kiwi

C'mon, no love for best fruit?