/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>780438

The only time periods I really dislike are mid to late 2000s when everyone was going full Key with ridiculously huge eyes, or aping K-On with no facial features.

>>780442

It was a time when anime became a parody of itself for awhile.

Cels > digital. Bring back contrast, shading and sharpness.

>>780481

Years later and she stills lights my loins on fire.

80's style > 90's/00's style

>>780530

The 80s were a golden age of OVAs.

I love both Chacha and Sherlo equally

>>780465

I really like the design in the second picture.

My only issue it that the pantsu should be pink & white stripped, the blue clashes with the pink clothes and feels out of place.

>>780481

>>780706

>early to mid-2000s is something special

It really is. The coloring was often darker and studios liked to use washed out colors.

>>780478

>facial features became extremely exaggerated to cartoonish degree and it was just revolting done with computer animation

Computers only cleaned hand drawn animation and that dark 90s style was beautiful.

The cgime forced down our throats today is hitting rock bottom in terms of laziness and shit design. Take inuyashiki for example, the action scenes look like RWBY video game dialogue trash.

>>780478

>computer animation

Is even rarely done today. Frames are done by hand and then digitized. Coloring is done digitally.

>>780851

>The late 90s/early 00s

True. There's some good series too but everything avarage and below has aged horribly. One point I like to add is that most actian scenes just felt so lackluster. How do I put this? it's like both the situations and the bodies lack gravity.

>>780851

> The late 90s/early 00s are fucking ass and anyone saying they like anime visually from that period is doing so out of nostalgia.

Everyone who doesn't share my taste must be nostalgic!!

>traditional animation quickly being phased out

What are you even talking about? Almost all frames are drawn by hand even today. The only difference between digi-cells and cells is that digi-cells don't have the shitty cell grain.

>digipaint art was often employed with bright garish colors

>bright

Are you actually serious?

This is the first time I have ever heard someone call the dark & murky color palette of the early 2000s bright.

>studios had no idea how to integrate post-processing and special effects in a show leading to shit like characters animated in progressive 24fps and effects rendered/animated at 29 interlaced fields per second

You are ignoring the fact, that CG wasn't really used much beyond cheap children shows. CG character animation was especially rare.

There are exceptions, like works by Toei, Poppy, or the FF movie. But generally CG use was much lower than it is today.

>>781016

It wouldn't have been the love letter to anime that it was if they hadn't gone completely overboard in their efforts.

I often find that detractors of modern anime who cite the decline in the quality of art usually compare anime from the 80s/90s to anime from the mid-early 00's. I feel that era of anime production was plagued with a transition in technique and how the industry was arranged and planned. The adoption of digital production, phasing out of older techniques to meet new broadcast standards, and experimentation with things such as CGI resulted in a lot of undeniably ugly looking shows.

The point I am getting to however is the framing of the comparison which people usually run with and wholly believe. It's flat out disingenuous to say a 15 year old anime is modern. I think there's a lot to celebrate in many eras of anime as fads and trends shifted, techniques grew or were invented.

>>781303

>relativism, truisms and "feelgood, soundsgood" retardation

How about you fuck off to reddit? Bring me back stuff like Jin-Roh and I'll settle for your "every era has good and bad" nonsense.

>>781027

>Everyone who doesn't share my taste must be nostalgic!!

Nice argument

>This is the first time I have ever heard someone call the dark & murky color palette of the early 2000s bright.

t. Child who never watched any digipaint shows from the early 2000s

Don't act like you don't remember characters having that obnoxious sheen over everything.

>You are ignoring the fact, that CG wasn't really used much beyond cheap children shows.

Except it wasn't. And when I say CG, I'm not talking about 3D models, I'm talking about lighting effects and such, which early on were almost always animated at frame rate that didn't match the character animation. Also, vehicles like cars and such were already becoming 3D models as early as GitS:SAC.

>>781338

>t. Child who never watched any digipaint shows from the early 2000s

I wanted to disagree with him too, but then I remembered that most shows that I watched from the early 2000s were encoded by amateurs and ridiculously bitstarved (the main concern back then was how many episodes you could fit onto one CD), so I started getting unsure how much of the visuals was real and how much was just lost quality.

In any case, digital colors have had an actual influence on the way anime look, and it can be seen to this day

>>780851

>animated in progressive 24fps

I don't think there has ever been an anime that was animated at 24 fps.

I wish a more wider range of colors would be used nowadays, instead of one flat color and then some slight shadow. Like >>781140, I like how there's at least three different shades on her face.

>>781338

>Nice argument

If you didn't get it, that was an attempt at ridiculing you. It's also more or less what you said.

>anyone saying they like anime visually from that period is doing so out of nostalgia.

>I'm talking about lighting effects and such, which early on were almost always animated at frame rate that didn't match the character animation.

You seem to have no clue about anime production.

Anime isn't animated at a stable frame rate, and changes in the same episode from being animated in 1s to being animated in 4s.

>as early as GitS:SAC.

We are talking about the early 2000s, which I assume most anime fans define as winter 2000 - winter/spring 2003.

I wouldn't call autumn 2002 early in that context.

>>781358

>Like >>781140, I like how there's at least three different shades on her face.

You like Deviantart dodge and burn tool shading?

>>781377

>early 2000s, which I assume most anime fans define as winter 2000 - winter/spring 2003.

>wouldn't call autumn 2002 early in that context

Pretty sure the year 2002 occurs between 2000 and 2003, retard.

>>781539

Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

We're arguing about CG in the early 2000s, GiTS aired in the late part of the early 2000s.

>>781338 >as early as GitS:SAC

Is in the later fifth of the early 2000s. GiTS is not indicative about the general CGI usage in the early 2000s.

>>781492

I wouldn't go that far but yeah.

>>781548

>nuh uh since it didn't happen in the early earlier late part this early in the decade it doesn't count!

Being austically pedantic seems to be your strong suit, and is not an argument; 2002 is part of the early 2000s. 2002 CG looks like shit.

>>781726

>We're already at the late 10s

>The graph is so old it doesn't even have the early 10s

>Remember when people made OCs all the time? That ended what, 6 years ago for good?

At least the late 10s are experiencing a resurgence in different and good styles.

>>781728

It wouldn't be hard to add onto that chart since it is just white space with pictures and text.

>>781728

Actually it ended further away than 6 years go. 2007, to be exact.

>>781730

You have animes up to 2010 in the image.

Which means it was made after 2010, probably in 2011 or 2012.

Earlier art isn't better than what we get now, we just have so more more shit to sift through because modern styles allow for vast amounts of laziness. Back in the day if you wanted to make an anime you needed some passion behind it, but now it's a systematic imitation of an imitation of an imitation trying to compete with the original. Whenever something good comes out it usually looks good.

>>780441

I thought that their dumb faces were supposed to be part of the joke

>>782260

It also took work to watch anime back in the day if it wasn't saturday morning stuff you were getting whatever DIC or AnimeEigo and of that only what your local video store carried or whatever would pop up on pay per view from time to time. You actually had to like and seek stuff out to be exposed to it.

Now it's so easy to get ahold of anime and so much anime is produced (who the fuck ever heard of paying attention to release schedules by season twenty years ago?) that any shit-taste casual with an internet connection can have easier access to more anime than the die-hardest of state-side weebs could have just a few decades ago.

I had a conversation the other day with a friend who was surprised to find out I liked anime and when he described the stuff he liked it was all Studio Ghibli and shows that had aired on cartoon netwok/adult swim, which you know some of that stuff is good but there's this sense I get with the casuals that they really just don't know how ignorant they are of just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

>>782335

>shows that had aired on cartoon netwok/adult swim, which you know some of that stuff is good but there's this sense I get with the casuals that they really just don't know how ignorant they are of just how deep the rabbit hole goes

The thing about that is that the 90's and early 00's provided a shield against shittiness for Western fans of anime, because there generally wasn't any way to get anime unless it aired on TV. You were guarded against the full brunt of Sturgeon's Law (90% of every kind of media is going to be mediocre or worse) because dubbing and licensing companies were going to pick the top best anime available. They had a limited number of TV slots to fill and video rental space in Blockbuster, and had a lot of money hanging in the balance of choosing correctly. Even if they went with "generic" like Dragonball and Sailor Moon, you still weren't going to get anything garbage, in terms of either production values or writing.

Later in the 00's and early 10's, when it became possible to download anime from online, you were still sort of protected from Sturgeon's Law. Fansubbers were scarce, hosting space was at a premium, bandwidth even more so, and when youtube got started it had a global upload limit of 10 minutes (every anime episode in three parts in glorious 360p). So maybe you had a hundred anime to choose from, but they were all going to be older shows or popular shows, most of them having already finished their run in Japan (and few of them from cancelled series) so you knew what you were going to get in terms of quality. Instead of the top-10%, maybe it was the top 25%. Maybe every other show you pick might be decent instead of good, but you still weren't going to find many true turds.

But now... Oh fuck, but now. Now every website has hundreds and hundreds of anime to choose from. New episodes of currently-running anime are subbed, encoded, and available to stream in HD quality within HOURS of being shown in Japan. If you want, you can pick from ten or twenty brand new anime debuting this season. Sturgeon's Law is in full effect now! You have no idea what the fuck you're going to get when you pick up a new anime, because there is no quality gatekeeper anymore. The shows haven't even been MADE YET so nobody has any idea how great or how terrible they're going to be. You now have damn close to 100% of the media that's being produced, at your disposal. So not only is 90% of what you watch every season going to be mediocre or worse, but you'll get some REALLY shitty ones. We're talking shows that are so awful in production quality, so horrible in writing competency, they'll be cancelled by the end of this season and quietly shelved and hopefully forgotten.

It's a chance you have to take when you pick up anything new and untested. That's why I don't.

>>782348

>That's why I don't

Survivorship bias is the truth the way and the light. Let time preserve the jewels and history bury the rest. Stay behind the times to not be unnecessarily exposed to filth. If anime is kept as something to be viewed and enjoyed, not crammed through and argued over, then the desire to constantly watch the latest bleeding edge production will no longer exist.

>>782348

You are confusing popularity and quality.

While they are related, they are not the same.

You are also confusing video resolution and video quality.

Again, they are related, because low resolution limits your quality, high resolutions do not promise good quality.

>they'll be cancelled by the end of this season

Almost no anime ever gets canceled.

>>782335

I remember how shitty it was to get anime. Official releases often were expensive as fuck so you had to trade, bootlegs with shit quality cause it was copied from a copy of a copy of a copy. When the internet came it was rough at first. Ordering CDs with anime from someone with an internet access that wasn't dial up, later downloading yourself from kazaa, DC++ emule, first shitty torrents.

>>782348

Handling that flood of shit anime was made even harder when anime communities became pure cancer.

"Hurr durr we can't have threads about older anime gotta have 43536th thread about the newest Moe Blob X" - cuckchan /a/ around 2007

>>782448

I don't know if I prefer waifufags of that kind, gay shippers or the people who try to find a deep meaning to a simple series. Or the hypocrites that say that X girl is pandering to thirsty otakus yet they praise and salivate over a fucking trap.

>>782558

He's right, you know.

>>782737

>You can't deny the entire industry has been a shitter for 15 years.

Sure I can. In fact I find the idea silly and baseless.

>>782749

Nice argument, enjoy your vacation >>>/reddit/ .

>>782762

Enjoy your vacation.

>>782767

I don't think anyone is being blown out here, I think you're just chimping out in a pretty embarrassing fashion.

>>782775

Stop feeding him. He has nothing to say and is not going to be impressed by anything you might bring up.

>>780447

Yeah, I miss that.

>>781140

Original is far superior, what a downgrade. Zero character.

It's like Touhou, the new sprites are inferior to Zun's older stuff, even though objectively he can't draw either way.

>>782260

Oh please, the west is a non entity in influencing the Japanese anime industry. It's the Japanese consumers ruining everything.

Now it's not quite a style as in art style, but I miss masculinity. It's absent in anime in all aspects, MCs are beta as fuck and when you see one who isn't, it's jarring because he's an androgynous metrosexual. I wish we had more manly protagonists.

Vid related, as well as the superior art style, the guy has a masculine face.

It's not an anime, but look at JJBA. It started as Not-Kenshiro, then everyone crime 4 onwards was thin, and now it's a twink in a sailor outfit with 4 balls.

I will also say I greatly miss heart eyes. Sometimes you see them, but you don't see them as comical 3D things that beat, or burst. Blushing isn't as cute now from what I remember. Basically everything is less expressive. Excluding hentai which has now abandoned subtlety for stupid facial expressions, dialogue and noises.

Not quite anime, but anyone miss the old pixel anime art style of dating sims, or old visual novels? It's oddly relaxing to look at.

I can't really pinpoint the style or decade, but I miss when hair had volume. That sort of look when hair seemed thick enough to lose a hand in. Don't get me wrong: current styles are fine but everything just feels a bit flat. I want fluffy hairstyles back.

Also this is nostalgia speaking when I say modern stuff feels too "clean" and I kind of miss the grainy look.

>>783073

Then I'm deciding that's the best era. Can you be nostalgic for an era you were never a part of?

>>783076

It's the same feeling but I think it's a different term.

>>783054

I miss those art styles, but I only experienced them on older flash games iirc. It just has more colours and depth.

Why did that style die off? Is it just cheaper to draw now?

>>782310

>The true enjoyment of breasts is appreciating every unique shape for the masterpiece it is, and observing their unique physical properties.

This guy gets it. I'm tired of the usual "Front shot, tits perk up/bounce while a small chime plays" shot that almost every show recycles.

>>783108

>>783083

Both manga had the same author too.

>>782348

You also shouldn't ignore the fact that the shear amount of anime made in the 80s and 90s was way less.

>>783169

I like it when it's a little peek. Like that nip slip you might not notice the first time

>>783161

Pretty much. The style mostly emerged from the lack of colors that old computers had, which is why artists used dithering to create colors.

>>783047

Hey anon, here's a masculine character for you

>>782491

These were released in the 80s though, when VHS was still something of a harcore free for all of 'what will stick'.

>>781050

Last Exile was the first anime I ever watched

Tried to rewatch it and couldnt get over how weird it looked.

Good tho

>>780438

New anime looks more Japanese while older Anime looked more universal DESPITE being Japanese themed, as if, anime characters now resemble more the Japanese themselves.