/a/ - Animu & Mango

Is there anyone caring about anything after Z unironically? That'd be quite sad.

>>732463

>Is there anyone caring about anything after Z unironically? That'd be quite sad.

What about Neko Majin and Jaco? Those were pretty good.

>>732501

And Toei couldn't even handle her well or make her interesting. Stick with the fanart.

Why do people bully krillin when tien is even worse?

>>732463

Many many power level fags, Toonamifags, Shonenfags, and a lot of mexicans who only seem to know about Dragon Ball Z and Naruto.

>>732554

Because he's a bald midget who somehow has a babe as a wife.

>>732554

Because he's a humanoid with no nose, no sclera and no hair. He's a fucking freak of nature.

>>732564

>>732566

But krillin is just the random kid without follicles that goku befriended, whereas tien is supposed to be one of the most badass characters in dragon ball and he was when he was introduced but now he's a more pathetic george constanza.

>>732582

After the Cell Saga Tien informs everyone that they probably will never see him again, now that there are no more threats to fight. I think that's a really nice touch on his character. He and Chaozu were never really friends with the rest of the gang, they just kept getting roped in to various fights with aliens and robots. Hell, he doesn't even show up to fight Buu, because he doesn't go to the tournament, because he doesn't give a shit. Resulting in only a brief cameo in the whole saga.

That said, given what we know about the Dragon Ball universe, I do think it makes sense that even as shown in Super, he should be one of the top ten in the universe. It's only dumb that he's on the same level as Krillin and Roshi, when unlike those two, he never stopped training. They use offscreen training as an excuse a lot, but Tien doesn't even go to parties and stuff. As far as we can tell, he's training 24/7 and only stops because someone is threatening the earth and he has to fight them.

>>732852

Same with Yamcha. Guy stopped giving a fuck post Cell.

>>732867

Yamcha and Krillin both stopped training some time after Cell, but they were still friends with the rest of the gang. Tien kept training but wasn't friends with them so he wasn't as relevant as the guys who stopped training.

>>732906

>They forgot that the Earth Dragon balls have a one year time limit for revivals.

They did in the movie but eventually they said that he refused to let his soul be cleansed, so he couldn't be reincarnated, so he could still be revived.

>Frieza also gets God ki because whatever.

He doesn't get God Ki, he just gets strong as fuck.

>That wasn't in the anime and Whis can use it willy nilly.

They don't show him using it willy nilly. They say it takes like five minutes or something, but since he can only rewind three minutes, you can't just use it to keep going back to the same events. Is it actually a longer time in the manga? I've read the manga and didn't notice that.

>I thought that the Angels were supposed to be neutral. Why did Whis helped Goku and friends by rewinding time?

Seems like Beerus and Whis are using Goku and Vegeta for something, and don't want to let them die because it would be personally inconvenient for them.

>Basically, shift his alignment from good (for some reason) to neutral.

The reason is that Goku has an uncanny ability for his goodness to rub off on people. He managed to turn the devil himself into a good guy.

>Retcons are stupid like the 5 Supreme Kais into single title that is life-linked to the GoD.

Not a retcon so much as they plain forgot. Retcons are when they explain that the way you thought something happened was actually different because of new info that you didn't have back then. Like if you thought a character died but way later they say he escaped at the last second. Super just plain forgot about the other Kaioshin so they never bother to do any sort of retcon on the matter.

The closest I can figure is that Beerus is actually linked to the Daikaioshin, and the guy we call Kaioshin is technically the Daikaioshin now but doesn't use the title for whatever reason (respect for his dead mentor?). Elder Kai was also previously actually Daikaioshin (they even refer to him as such in Z filler, probably because they fucked up). So the title must be able to be passed on without the previous Daikaioshin dying, and then Beerus's connection to them passes too. So he sealed Old Kai because he couldn't kill them, but then a new guy became Daikaioshin, and he was eventually absorbed by Buu, but technically not dead. But he was out of commission, so that left the one remaining Kaioshin as by default becoming Daikaioshin, and becoming connected to Beerus.

But that's an awful lot of stuff for fans to figure out on their own. Clearly they just fucked up.

>The Kais and the Supreme Kais don't even look like the same species so don't pull that crap about Zamasu being a former North Kai.

How many kais and supreme kais are even shown in the manga? Aren't the other kais all filler anyway? Maybe North Kaio just looks weird. Also Zamas is from a different universe so maybe things work different there. Like maybe U7 is the only one that ever had Daikaioshin and regular kaioshin.

>>732852

Tien definitely did get an unfair deal considering he never stopped training. But all in all, they were all better off just disappearing after Cell. Now they're just background characters or comic relief who really don't matter in the long run, like Oolong. They've all degenerated into Oolong...

>>732913

>How many kais and supreme kais are even shown in the manga?

>http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Shinjin

>Dragon Ball: Super Exciting Guide, 2009

The reason you gave is the one that makes the most sense. The Supreme Kai title is bound to the god of destruction title, which is why both of them can be replaced. A person probably just assumes the mantle of those positions when they're given the title and angel magic ensures they don't just kill the other by life-linking them.

I still feel that something is going to go down with the angels in this arc. Zeno is a retarded child with absolute power. There's no way the grand priest isn't pulling his strings.

>>732906

YOU CAN'T UNFUCK THE UNIVERSE SURVIVAL ARC!

I completely gave up on the anime here. There is too many things wrong with it.

1) Fuck Goku. Fuck Goku very much. He gone from goodie-two-shoes to amoral prick to "worse than Frieza". The writers probably realized that so they added that bullshit about Zeno already planning to destroy those planets anyway. However, Future Trunks timeline was fine until Goku pushed the kill everything button. Gowasu brought Zamasu 1000 years into the future.

2) 10 people in each team is too much.

3) The choices for participants are retarded. Master Roshi is the one guy that shouldn't be made relevant again. He retired. He is old. He can't even fly.

4) They deliberately avoided obvious power ups like giving Gohan SSJG, unlocking potential, or giving out any of the Goku exclusive abilities like Kaio-Ken, Instant Transmission, or Spirit Bomb.

5) It is too late balance out fighters to justify recruiting the humans in anyway aside from space fillers. They should have introduce something like the shit from video games.

6) They fucked up power scaling (which is worse than the power creep).

7) Let Frieza fucking stay dead. I wished that he just got killed off. We never got to see what happens when a dead guy gets killed again.

8) The show insist on giving other teams sinister auras despite fighting to save countless lives in their universe.

9) I get Zeno is supposed to be childlike but can we outright say that he is at least a little evil.

10) Having the losers in the tournament be erased on the spot yet not allowing killing in the tournament.

11) The tournament is going to end with all the universes being wished back. Let's not kid ourselves.

12) Majin Buu can't join because lol oversleeping. No, remember that he normally needs to sleep for a few seconds doesn't make up for it.

13) Back tingles. I know that it meant to differentiate Caligula from the other Saiyans but the only reason anyone gave a shit about universe 6 Saiyans is muscle girls.

SUGGESTIONS

RETCONS

>SSJ

The Super Saiyan form is the iconic powerup of the series but it seems like the requirements laxes as the series progress to the point that it can just be activated by back tingles. At first, DBZ explained that the SSJ form requires one of pure heart such as Goku. This was a decent enough explanation; because even a society that wasn't as decadent as the Saiyans, that is still pretty rare much less one with the will and strength to fight. Then Vegeta happened. Later it is said that the form comes from a need not a desire. Unless Vegeta encountered a threat strong enough to kill him, it is because he just wants it. Or maybe it is just preparation for the Androids. I'm sure that Frieza is a big enough threat and someone would have gotten strong enough. If we are going to count Episode of Bardock (we might as well considering that we including DBS), Bardock got SSJ too. Cabba also got the SSJ form pretty easily too. Then came the back tingles. How the LSS appeared was stupid unless you really really like muscle girls.

Hard Requirements: Saiyan ancestry (unknown treshold)

Requirements for activation:

Anger (preferably rightheous anger)

A need and a desire for strength

Suffering (mostly as a result of being weak)

Sufficiant power level

Acknowledgement that his current "form" isn't strong enough (knowledge of SSJ makes this step easier due to the mindset req't to meet the previous req't contradicts this. Being able to turn into a great ape can make this harder because usually it is enough.)

Requirements for inheritance:

Conceived by a SSJ parent. (If they want to keep Pan from being SSJ, just say that male and female SSJ are technically different forms due to slight brain differences. Or say that she inherted her father's potential unlock. It was clear that GT wanted to go with something about her being quarter Saiyan. People cite Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. but that was just faggotry added to force a new Goku after writing Goku's final good bye. A better case would be Bulla/Bra which is only half-Saiyan concieved after Vegeta became a SSJ.

>Potara Fusion

There are many reasons that can be given why Vegito defused. I don't know about the 3DS game, Dragon Ball Fusion. You could say that a dead person and a living person can't fuse. You could have SSJB Vegito defuse by saying that they already fused and the mechanism that prevents consecutive Potara fusions was in place.

>Hell and the one year rule

Let's just ignore the heroes keeping their bodies thing because it never explained that well or applied consistently. It still clear that people can't be revived pass one year so Freiza can't just revived like that. Freiza talks specifically about being in Earth's hell and wanting to blow up Earth to destroy Earth's hell. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't work that way.

>>733090

New Elements

>Im/amoral gods

Dragon Ball never had gods that had morality that doesn't align with human morality before. Introducing a God of Destruction is pretty new territory but that means that they needed to be more careful. They keep using the God status as an excuse to heinous things but it is suddenly bad when Zamasu does it. When Zeno was first revealed, I assumed that he was really strong because he had both the power creation and destruction. In actuality, he just an even bigger God of Destruction.

>God of Destruction

The manga gave hints to what the GoD's purpose is like killing things Maijin Buu and ending evil in planetary level. The movie implied that he killed off the dinosaurs on Earth (most of them I guess; maybe the dinosaurs were more like the ones in Chrono Trigger). Something about the natural evolution.

Considering what the GoD is doing is normally considered evil when others do it, it would be good to expound on what the GoD can and can't do. However what is clear is that Beerus is pretty bad at his job. He nearly got all the Supreme Kais killed.

It is acceptable for the GoD to be evil as long as he performs his duties.

The GoD must be feared.

The GoD must not lose especially to an evil mortal. Letting his life-link die also counts.

A GoD must not destroy outside his jurisdiction.

A GoD isn't allowed to coerce others to do evil things. Because the GoD's job is destroying evil, he isn't permitted to coerce others to justify his actions.

The GoD is entitled to offerings but within reason. He isn't allowed to ask for things that is immoral to ask for. That also means coercing others to have sex.

GoD's job is maintain a balance. While it isn't clear how or what is being balanced, extreme imbalance such as Zamasu's omnicide is an extreme transgression.

The job of the GoD is akin to a garden trimmer. Killing off most of dinosaurs was necessary for the human race's birth (something like in Chrono Trigger).

The GoD and the Supreme Kai are equals. While their jobs are separated to avoid conflict of interest, the GoD isn't permited to coerce the Supreme Kai. If the Supreme Kai dies before passing his title to someone else, the GoD dies too as decentive for the GoD killing the Supreme Kai directly, indirectly, or by neglasence. It is unknown if it works in the other way. Both parties don't get an afterlife while life-linked to avoid abuse from either party. It is unknown what would happen should both fuse.

Generally speaking, the GoD isn't needed if the Supreme is gone. Thus the title of GoD is only available if the title of Supreme Kai has been taken. Conversely, the Supreme Kai isn't permitted to retire until he passes the title.

A GoD is always accompanied and assisted by an Angel which technically outranks him. While being acompanied by an Angel has a lot of perks, it means that the GoDs are kept in a short leash.

>Angels

They are fine the way that they are. Angels are usually considered the second most powerful being in the stories that they are in.

>God Ki

One of my biggest gripes of SSJG/SSJB is how God Ki works. It is already established that gods have God Ki but I feel like other characters also should have God Ki like Buu who absorbed the Grand Supreme Kai. God Ki can't be detected by mortals which is why Vegeta originally underestimated Buu. I suspect that exposure to God Ki give people the ability to detect it. Either that or one can train to detect God Ki. I think both Piccolo and Dende should be able to detect God Ki too. It is said that God Ki has some regenerative effects but it was only mentioned in the anime which was super fucking gay. There must be to be done to make God Ki more special and not just an incremental upgrade. I would add some abilities such as surviving in a vacuum. Maybe tie it to magical abilities in the series but say that the magic previously used in the series was more of manipulating residual God energy around rather than from one's own body (resulting in less control). God Ki emitted and flowing from one's own body can be used to augment one's attacks.

>>733092

>God status

Gods are a race and a position. There are races of gods and there are positions giving the status of gods. God races such as Shinjin are considered gods regardless if they become a Supreme Kai or become a GodTuber. However, a recurring thing is how mortals can get status of god. Even in DBZ, Namekians can become Kami. It is shown accepting those positions does give powers or abilities related to the positions. The healing ability seems to be tied to the Supreme Kai's apprentice title which Shin said to have lost and Future Trunks has gained. Although it is said that it requires a ritual. I think that it was implied that Frieza was Beerus' apprentice but to what degree?

>Super Dragon Balls

It is a stupid way to raise the stakes but I like the idea that they are planet sized. I guess that the wish must be super unconditional. I don't know how Zamasu gathered all of them himself. I guess that Angels and Zeno should take away one of them after the Zamasu arc making it require their permission to use them.

>>733093

>Even in DBZ, Namekians can become Kami

Was Kami even a real "god", or just some alien with neat species powers who took it upon himself to look over a backwater planet with sentient lifeforms who didn't know any better? Ever sense the Kais where introduced and shown to have a hierarchy Kami/Dende doesn't really fit into the official pantheon.

>>733150

>Will this be retconned before long once someone on staff tells Toriyama that it's retarded?

His staff probably consists of ass-kissing yes-men who just want the honor of following in his footsteps and kissing his ass.

I think Frieza is about to be outplayed by Frost in the next episode.

>>733349

Frieza is too played up to be outplayed by a villain of the week tier mook like Frost and hasn't had his designated character episode yet. Don't be stupid. It's a fake out.

Now that the anime has been confirmed 133 episodes long, do you think the tournament will be the last arc, followed by some filler and a shitty ending or is there time for another one?

>>733413

>133 episodes total

Source ?

>>733461

>this

>>733413

I'm expecting the tournament to lead up to some big reveal that will take us into the final arc. Before that, we'll get more filler though. I still think it's going to involve the angels and the grand priest in some way. The absolute worst thing they could do is to try and chain super to GT in anyway other than maybe pulling in characters. Could you imagine if zeno just made everyone forget the events of super and then things proceeded into gt? That would be so retarded given how much stronger Goku is in his god forms than ssj4.

>>733413

After this arc we are gonna get the "mortal stronger than the god stronger than Beerus" after that maybe the final arc gonna arrive and it's very probably they going to retcon the ending of Z with something else.

>>733467

I think they will put something like "the angels are demons in disguise" or at least make the Grand Priest or a Zeno or both the villain.

But who knows i don't think we already see the stronger fighting being in Super.

So, Roshi was basically MVP for the humans. Now it's just aliens of U7 left.

>>733501

Man I was sad to see him go. I just wanted Mafuba to work for one fucking time.

>>733501

Eh, at least Gohan is halfbreed

Also, A17 and 18 are human. And even if they're cyborgs now, they were modified by a human using human technology. There's two humans and a half left

>>733475

This. Dragon Ball has become Japan's Star Wars. They'll drive that sucker into the ground and drain it for all its worth.

>>733565

>first pic

Another sameface/samebody gal by Toriyama. They always look so damn anorexic compared to the superior fanart.

>>733671

Fatfags are disgusting.

>>733671

>woman of normal proportions

>anorexic

Gas yourself, whale.

Said it before and I'll say it again:

Android 21 is gonna turn out to be Towa.

>>733714

What about Lunch, 18 and loli Chi-Chi?

>>733090

>However, Future Trunks timeline was fine until Goku pushed the kill everything button. Gowasu brought Zamasu 1000 years into the future.

By coming back in time with knowledge from that future he can change that future, or by DB rules, create a new timeline which is then fucked. Of course they forgot about creating new timelines, but honestly they forgot about a ton of timelines that should have technically been created, especially in the anime. But to be fair this goes even for the Cell saga. Sometimes going back in time makes a new timeline but sometimes it doesn't, even back then.

Zamas had become the universe itself or some crazy shit, had killed all the gods in all the multiverse, killed everyone on earth, and was planning to then kill everyone in every other universe and every other timeline. Trunks's timeline was fucked and Goku summoning Zeno to deal with it, while extreme, is pretty much the least evil thing Goku has done lately.

>3) The choices for participants are retarded. Master Roshi is the one guy that shouldn't be made relevant again. He retired. He is old. He can't even fly.

They're not allowed to fly in this tournament anyway, and they handwaved his relative weakness by saying he's been training in secret. To be fair, aside from him, and the fact that Goten and Trunks weren't invited, the other members of the team are indeed the strongest in the universe. It feels like Tien and Krillin are very weak, but considering they were able to at least fight the Androids, and continued training after that (though Krillin did stop for a few years), they are absurdly strong. People forget how crazy strong the Androids are on a universal scale. A new Super Saiyan absolutely curbstomped Frieza, emperor of the universe, but the Androids were powerful enough to make Super Saiyans irrelevant. And that was the weaker androids from Trunks's timeline. To go further, the Ginyu Force were the next strongest guys in the universe after Frieza, and if we're referencing filler, which Super does sometimes, then Tien, Yamcha, and Chaozu could beat them while they were still training with King Kai, before they trained for three years more for the androids.

>It still clear that people can't be revived pass one year so Freiza can't just revived like that. Freiza talks specifically about being in Earth's hell and wanting to blow up Earth to destroy Earth's hell. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't work that way.

They always said the reason they couldn't be revived after one year is because that's how long it takes for their soul to be cleaned so they can be reincarnated. Frieza was too evil and stubborn to be cleaned so he spent more time in Hell until they got through to him, which of course they didn't. It's a bit interesting that when they show "Earth's Hell" they show different levels of Hell and the one Frieza is in is below other versions of Hell shown in various filler. I'll accept that souls go to Hell to be cleansed until they can be reincarnated, or they are sent there if they refused to be cleansed or something, but what's more complicated is the implications for Enma-Daioh. Does this mean that he only covers Earth? Are there equivalents of him for other planets? When Buu destroyed most of earth's population, Enma-daioh was completely overwhelmed, so perhaps he does normally only deal with Earth. One planet should otherwise just be a drop in the bucket for him.

>>733135

Kami is a real god who inherited the title from a former man in his position. Dende later got it, and we see that Dende can sense God Ki. Kami and Dende both also have additional powers like being able to see all of earth from their lookout.

Also note that Dende isn't a strong warrior, so it's not as if having God Ki automatically makes you that.

>>733467

>Could you imagine if zeno just made everyone forget the events of super and then things proceeded into gt? That would be so retarded given how much stronger Goku is in his god forms than ssj4.

They wouldn't need to do anything aside from having Kaioshin and Kibito fuse again. Goku sure feels stronger now than he did in GT, but there isn't really any standard to measure against. It's hard to say precisely how strong he is in GT, other than "stronger than before."

If that guy isn't just bullshitting about 133 episodes, I think the most likely thing would simply be that they catch up to the end of Z, as they've already implied, and then continue again after it with a new name. They're not gonna let this cash cow die again.

That was my pure unrefined autism that I bottled up. I'm still working on the suggestion part.

>>732908

>The one year time limit was always due to the fact that a person's soul will be cleansed and reborn as a new being by that time in most cases, Frieza was exceptionally stubborn.

>>734334

>They always said the reason they couldn't be revived after one year is because that's how long it takes for their soul to be cleaned so they can be reincarnated. Frieza was too evil and stubborn to be cleaned so he spent more time in Hell until they got through to him, which of course they didn't.

I already heard this excuse before but the time limit also applied to good people.

>They're not allowed to fly in this tournament anyway, and they handwaved his relative weakness by saying he's been training in secret.

Off-screen training is the least satisfying excuse. It is mostly a cop-out to close the gap after a timeskip. Roshi already retired before the original DB ended. Both Tien and Piccolo could also do the Mabufu and couldn't they just it to throw people out of the ring instead using a bottle? Also Roshi is a hypnotist. Why that never gets brought up? If they really wanted to pretend that non-Saiyans were still relevant, they could have at least tried.

Present Zamasu went 1000 years into the future. If Zeno always planned to destroy those universes, he sure took some fucking time.

I'm trying really hard to make God Ki not just a bullshit power up. Witches and Kami manage go to otherworld without dying so I wanted to tie God Ki to magic. I doubt God Ki itself makes people strong because Supreme Kais weren't stronger that some mortals. Also, why does Black have a normal SSJ form when Rosé is a result of already having God Ki? I wanted to make an excuse for Goku and Vegeta to stop using those new forms by saying that it drains God energy around Earth and makes the balls inert.

>>733382

Meh. Its fucked now.

>>734676

>It probably just boosts whatever skills you already have.

Bullshit. I think that it is just quantity.

>Dende was already a healer, so he just got better at it.

I'm not sure if God status gives someone God Ki but it is what I would do. It was never implied that Kami, Dende, or Future Trunks had God Ki but they do have God powers which might just use regular Ki. Supreme Kais can make those unbreakable metal blocks so God Ki is no joke.

>Whis' timeskip abilitiy sure as shit isn't a ki ability.

I was attempting to unfuck God Ki by retconning magic as manipulating external God energy which harder and less effective than using God Ki generated from your own body. For some reason, a witch snuck up on Elder Supreme Kai and took the Potara earing so witches must be high up there despite being just being mortals.

>>732551

That anon idea of one sided crush towards Yamcha is infinitely more interesting than lightly bullied to become the LSSJ.

>>735538

>For some reason, a witch snuck up on Elder Supreme Kai and took the Potara earing

Speaking of this, how in the name of Nigger Christ did a WITCH even get onto the Kaioshin planet in the first place??!

From all the crap Kibito gave Gohan for being a "mortal" yet being allowed to set foot in the place, it's obviously really exclusive. Also, it's a PLANET. Unless you have a homing AND teleportation ability like Goku does (and the Kaioshin, whose teleportation seems less based on following a ki source and more like jumping to somewhere you've been before), you wouldn't even be able to FIND it, much less GET THERE. Can't just hop on the nearest Space Uber and say "Take me to Kaioshin-kai, kthnx." It makes no sense whatsoever.

>>735572

>Speaking of this, how in the name of Nigger Christ did a WITCH even get onto the Kaioshin planet in the first place??!

Witchcraft?

>>735572

>Speaking of this, how in the name of Nigger Christ did a WITCH even get onto the Kaioshin planet in the first place??!

Fortuneteller Baba visited Other World pretty easily. Witches are powerful and Babidi is a wizard too. That is my point.

>>735576

>>735575

These fuckers are supposed to be the literal Guardians of The Gala-, excuse me, of The Universe and they can't even be a bouncer on their own planet?

That said, literally nothing Babidi could do was that impressive. Even Piccolo could no-sell his best magic.

>>735579

>These fuckers are supposed to be the literal Guardians of The Gala-, excuse me, of The Universe and they can't even be a bouncer on their own planet?

For all we know, she could have been invited.

>That said, literally nothing Babidi could do was that impressive.

He revived Majin Buu. Mind controlled and enslaved the ruler of hell. He can teleport people, he can remotely explode, and can mass broadcast to everyone. He gave Vegeta and other people a major power up.

>>735581

>he can remotely explode people

edit

>>735538

No god ki is still a joke. The indestructible metal blocks the kiaoshin made and threw at gohan is called kachin. When the grand priest was explaining the material that the arena was built of, he said it was super kachin, a substance similar to that of universe 7. Look at the battlefield, its torn to shit. Unless those rocks are just from a bunch of abilities ?

>>735576

>>735575

>>735572

Elder Kai was a pervy fucker. I reckon his potara fusion story was a cover for some kinky shit he was doing with that witch. Dude probably didn't realise he couldn't undo the fusion, maybe he did and got off on it. Beerus sealed that old, dirty bustard away to stop him from killing himself through erotic asphyxiation.

>>735588

>When the grand priest was explaining the material that the arena was built of, he said it was super kachin, a substance similar to that of universe 7. Look at the battlefield, its torn to shit. Unless those rocks are just from a bunch of abilities ?

<The anime is shit.

What a fucking surprise.

The manga is already terrible enough. Treating the anime as canon is too much.

>>735589

>I reckon his potara fusion story was a cover for some kinky shit he was doing with that witch.

He explicitly said that the witch wasn't a looker.

>>735591

>He explicitly said that the witch wasn't a looker.

He was pretty youthful when it happened too. Isn't the dominant person the one the fusion is based off of? Was that witch just really strong to be on par with a supreme kai or was elder kai just really weak when he was supreme kai?

>>735603

>Isn't the dominant person the one the fusion is based off of?

No, that is the Namekian fusion. Fusion dance requires two of similar height prince of manlets and power. Potara fusion was originally permanent with Goku and Vegeta defusing for some unexplained reason (they think has something to do with Buu's power) and someone who is already Potara fused cannot Potara fuse with another.

>>735604

It seems that potara fusion between Kais will have one dominant personality shine through, while between other mortals it results in a blended personality. Then again, we've only seen fusions between Elder Kai's youthful self and an old witch, Kibito and Supreme Kai, Goku and Vegeta and Zamasu and Goku Black.

Elder Kai had his personality shine through but took on elderly behaviour, it was more like he rapidly aged than took on that witch's personality though.

Kibitokai was basically Supreme Kai's head with Kibito's body.

Vegito is proud like Vegeta but childish like Goku, half and half, maybe this is a powerlevel thing though.

Merged Zamasu was just Zamasu x2.

There's not enough potara fusions to really figure this shit out.

>>735589

I can kind of see this chain of events.

>Okay, we've got one Kaioshin and everything is dandy

>Oh fuck, a witch snuck onto the planet and stole a potara, then fused with the Kaioshin. Beerus got pissed and sealed him in a sword. guess we need better security

>Let's add four additional Kaioshin, like apprentices, on top of the Elder one. nothing bad should happen now

>Oh fuck, this bubblegum monster snuck onto the planet and killed/ate all but one of the Kaioshin. guess having so many made them even more of a target

>Well, since there's only one Kaioshin left, let's go back to having only one. should be okay.

>Oh fuck, the universe's Mortal Level is shit because he sucks at his job. maybe we need more Kaioshin after all...?

>>735588

That was pretty stupid. What they SHOULD have done was have the arena torn up by the "test" battle between the several Gods of Destruction, and then stay that way. "Whoops. No time to fix it; the tournament is starting right now. Zeno, are you cool with having a variable battle terrain?" "Sounds fun! Sounds fun!" "Okay. Let's begin." It would not only maintain the tenuous assumption that the GoD are stronger than the mortals in most cases, but also patch the plot hole of the GoD being able to FIX things in the first place. That's what the Angels are for.

>>735810

> You expect me to believe that sole measure of the universe is its average power level?

It's interesting to think that the level would have been higher for u7 had Frieza been allowed to keep killing and blowing up planets.

I'm curious if Kid Buu would have recognized Beerus considering he's been around for like forever. Would he have just attacked him like Fat Buu did? Anyways, the mortal level stuff was just something to kick start the latest arc.

>Zamasu knows of Buu

I wonder if there's only one Buu in all of the universes or if there are a number of them out there somewhere? I used to think of Buu being similar to Ganemba in that he was an accumulation of evil that gained life via magic. Ganemba was apparently the soul of some dead demon from demon realm before the accident. Where I'm going with this is that I'd still like to see the manga or anime take on demon realm. Zeno is retarded, so it wouldn't be hard to send him away either as long as the grand priest is taken care of in some way.

>force them into the tournament instead of that mortal level bullshit partly because that basically means the strongest universes aren't even part of it

I'm sure we'll get another arc dealing with them. Assuming all of the other universes get destroyed, that still leaves the 3 strongest for Goku to go after. The whole reason he entered the tournament was so that he could fight the strongest and now he knows that there are still 3 universes out there stronger than the rest. There's no way he won't try something.

>>735652

>That's what the Angels are for.

It looks like the grand priest is second only to Zeno, so it's likely that everyone else just does what he says regardless of their exact function.

>>735815

>It's interesting to think that the level would have been higher for u7 had Frieza been allowed to keep killing and blowing up planets.

He killed off the Saiyans. We haven't heard about the Freezer race.

>I'm sure we'll get another arc dealing with them.

I don't watch the show anymore. It is cancer.

>Assuming all of the other universes get destroyed, that still leaves the 3 strongest for Goku to go after.

>Assuming all of the other universes get destroyed

That is a pretty stupid assumption.

>>735824

>We haven't heard about the Freezer race

We have. Frieza is a mutant along with his family who all belong to the same race. We haven't been given any details beyond that, but it's not really needed unless the plan it to keep Frieza around after the tournament.

>That is a pretty stupid assumption.

How so? They either get destroyed and those characters fuck off or they get wished back by the tournament victor. That or the lifeforms get merged into u7. There's still 3 universes left full of stronger opponents for Goku to fight. There's a number of directions they can go with it.

>>734531

>I already heard this excuse before but the time limit also applied to good people.

Good people still need to have their souls cleansed so that they're essentially a blank slate to be reincarnated into a new person.

>Roshi already retired before the original DB ended.

Apparently he actually kept training. To be fair he never said he'd stop training, just that he was happy to see a new generation surpass him. He never said he wouldn't keep practicing, he just acknowledged that these new kids were even better.

But yeah it's really not a satisfying way to do things.

>Present Zamasu went 1000 years into the future. If Zeno always planned to destroy those universes, he sure took some fucking time.

Not "always," but at least some time before Goku reminded him to have the tournament. Plus Zamas changed things with his time travel. By coming back with knowledge from the future he changed said future.

>>735538

>I'm not sure if God status gives someone God Ki but it is what I would do

It does. Only people with God Ki can sense God Ki and Dende can sense it.

>For some reason, a witch snuck up on Elder Supreme Kai and took the Potara earing so witches must be high up there despite being just being mortals.

Or he was just sleeping or some shit. It's just a gag and stuff like that always happens in gags. You can sneak up on strong people. You can kill Goku with a regular old laser if you sneak up on him.

>>735588

>The indestructible metal blocks the kiaoshin made and threw at gohan is called kachin.

Just think about the absolutely crazy jumps in power since Gohan was using the Z Sword. Even Kachin is nothing to people on this level. Gohan was strong as fuck, but he wasn't "punches can accidentally destroy the universe" strong, and that happened at the beginning of Super, before they even had SS Blue, and they've gotten a hell of a lot stronger since they introduced SS Blue.

>>735810

>>He hasn't pick a successor so there are 5 of them or something.

But there was a successor. The one whose traits were largely taken on by Buu.

>>735824

>He killed off the Saiyans. We haven't heard about the Freezer race.

The saiyans weren't a strong race. Vegeta was an insanely strong superman to them and he was still only a mid level guy in Frieza's army. Note that the guys we see on Namek are Frieza's elite forces, and Vegeta could only keep up with them due to power boosts from almost getting killed, and due to learning to sense ki from the earthlings. The saiyans clearly had potential, but none of them actually reached particularly high until long after their planet was destroyed.

Frieza's race is only in games and stuff, except for his family. I don't know where the post above me is getting the idea that they're mutants, but the Ginyu Force are all stated to be mutants and they're the next strongest mortals behind Frieza, so it's possible. In the games, Frieza's race is not treated as strong as him, and are the same relative levels as Saiyans, Nameks, and Earthlings, though of course you can chalk that up to gameplay more than anything. IIRC Frieza's son Kuriza, from Neko Majin Z, is actually weak. Sure it's a gag manga but at least it's actually good, so I'm counting it.

>>735851

>Good people still need to have their souls cleansed so that they're essentially a blank slate to be reincarnated into a new person.

That was stated nowhere and the opposite was implied.

>Or he was just sleeping or some shit.

It was more about her being there.

>>735834

>How so? They either get destroyed and those characters fuck off or they get wished back by the tournament victor.

It is pretty much 0 percent chance that they stay destroyed.

Dragon Ball Super was fucking mistake. SSJG Goku being strong enough to destroy the universe and having SSJB be stronger is enough reason to not buy any of the excuses made by DBS.

When is the next movie coming out? I don't really have time to watch super, and the movies are cannon now.

>>735862

>It is pretty much 0 percent chance that they stay destroyed

I never said they would stay destroyed. There's also still the chance that the inhabitants of those universes get brought back into u7 rather than back into their separate universes.

>>736060

>next movie

We'll probably get one for the next major villain. It could be a what if movie where Cell returns or is recreated by Bulma.

>>735851

> I don't know where the post above me is getting the idea that they're mutants

>http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/episode-bardock-akira-toriyama-super-qa/

>Freeza is what you might call a mutated life-form. Strictly speaking, Freeza’s father is a mutant with an abnormally high battle power. And, born from his father alone4, still in strong possession of the mutant traits, was Freeza.

>Accordingly, even saying “Freeza’s race”, these two are the only ones who possess an abnormal [level of] battle power and cruelty.

Don't be ignorant. All it requires is a simple search.

>>736060

There's no way we're getting another movie until Super finishes. Anime studios make movies to keep their team busy while waiting for more manga content; it's basically an advanced, high budget version of filler. Where do you think Toei would get the staff or budget to make a movie right now? They can barely animate Super competently.

>>736928

It was obvious when he had the gay moment with Gohan after the first punch. Frieza wouldn't be stupid enough to team up with a weaker universe anyway.

>>736900

Was Freezer always this cool?

i just remeber him as a tyranical homicidal maniac, not Dragon Ball's version of the Joker

>>733733

not mentioning Arale

>>737019

Nah. They've made him out to be some kind of amazing Chessmaster archetype, when that was never the case. Fucking GOKU outsmarted him in their final fight by goading him into going 100% power to exhaust himself. Up until Namek, Frieza was so much more powerful than everyone he ever met that there was never any need for him to use tactics of any kind. I doubt they let him read Sun Tzu while he was in Hell, so this sudden change is another ass-pull like Golden Frieza.

>>737116

Frieza wants to use the dragon balls to take the place of Zeno, he pretty much said that himself.

>>737153

>>737116

I figured it was his intention to kill/replace Beerus (which would be a fairly interesting plot twist), so he could get full access to hakai powers and blow up planets whenever the fuck he wants to.

It seems extremely unlikely that even the Super Dragonballs could kill Zeno, though.

>>737202

>so he could get full access to hakai powers and blow up planets whenever the fuck he wants to.

That's idiotic. Blowing up planets whenever the fuck he wants to is literally Frieza's backstory. Nobody needs hakai powers to blow up planets. Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga was already a planet ending threat. Beings like Frieza and Buu doing it for him is half the reason Beerus sleeps so fucking much instead of doing his job.

>>737220

Hell, KING Vegeta could blow up planets. And he was even weaker than Vegeta was.

People theorise that a mortal level isn't a power level, rather it involves things such as culture and stuff. So people like Saiyans, frieza and buu lurking g around greatly lowered this

>>737220

Yes, but you do need hakai powers to keep goody-good morons like Goku from always trying to stop you from blowing up planets.

>>737202

>I figured it was his intention to kill/replace Beerus

He was looking straight at Zeno and giving an ominous monologue, that should make his motives pretty clear.

>>737233

>This could also explain why he wanted immortality so badly since Beerus could just wipe him out for simply looking at him the wrong way.

Zeno already proved that immortality doesn't prevent people from being erased. Frieza just had a god complex, so he wanted to live forever instead of aging and dying like a mere mortal.

>>736043

Wait a sec, I just checked my porn folder after reading your post, you're right and I didn't even know she was DBZ.

>>737251

>we don't know whether or not a GoD's hakai powers can destroy an immortal

It makes sense that it can, because Zamasu went the roundabout way of getting rid of Beerus by offing the Supreme Kai, presumably because Beerus would have killed him in a straight-up confrontation, immortality or not. Also, Zeno's ability just seems to be a large-scale application of hakai, and it borked a whole universe MADE of immortal Zamasu.

Latest Super chapter is up on Niggastream.

>>737335

As expected, a different set up for a similar outcome. Much better.

>>737448

>Reset the entire series

>Start over at the end of Dragonball

While I like this idea, there's no way (((current year))) Toei and increasingly-senile Toriyama wouldn't make it much, much worse than before.

>>737230

>Implying in such a situation Goku wouldn't have an ass pull power to avoid or null it

SHONEN!

>>737440

>Starts out with an excuse to not blame Goku for omnicide (It's still kind of his fault)

Why would it be Goku's fault? By asking for a tournament he gave the universes a fighting chance. Otherwise the manga does literally everything bettereven the animation

>>737657

Zeno only got the idea to purge the multiverse because Goku brought another Zeno.

>>737516

I was making fun of how stupid the series has become that has become preferable. I'm also indulging on some character amalgamations like a young Briefs playing Bulma's role but has a comparable personality to Yamcha. Panchy being an amalgamation herself and Launch. A half Saiyan Future Bulma.

>>737627

>In a shocking twist, Goku can't avoid it and actually gets hakai-ed

>Wakes up in some alternate dimension where everyone that previously got destroyed, and everyone Zeno borked after the Tournament, have been sent to

>They all have to work together to defeat Giygas-Zamasu before he can take over this dimension and leak back to the physical multiverse

I'd watch it.

>>737701

>Everything that gets destroyed ends up empowering the demon realm

WHY AREN'T WE EXPLORING THE DEMON REALM!?

Should've gone:

>GoDs and Kai realm adventures

>Introduce multiverse

>U6&U7 match

>U6 adventures

>Zamasu

>Demon Realm

>Super Survival

>>737221

>>737220

>dub

Fucking disgusting

>>737220

Why are you referencing a filler scene?

>>737714

Toriyama plain forgot that the Demon Realm even exists. I guarantee it.

>>737230

Then why the fuck would Zeno befriend a saiyan, and why would he host a to-the-death competition where universe 7 races have an advantage?

>>737739

Kek, was wondering when this would pop up again.

>>737743

The fillers have better storytelling than the actual story arcs.

>>737760

So he's like Kubo Tite where he had to read his own story to even remember characters and what happened in Bleach. If only Oda was available to help Toriyama remember all the characters and story elements he's forgotten with time.

>>737800

>The fillers have better storytelling than the actual story arcs.

Not when they create more plotholes.

The only good fillers are the driver's license and Goku solving Tao Pai Pai's puzzle episodes.

>>737714

>>737760

Because he did it in DBO

>>735862

>That was stated nowhere and the opposite was implied.

No it wasn't. We are first introduced to the concept of reincarnation in regards to Krillin, Roshi, and Chaozu, who are all good guys, who would take a year to have their souls reincarnated.

>>736241

>Don't be ignorant. All it requires is a simple search.

Don't be ignorant. Interviews and shit aren't actually canon. Otherwise Super Saiyan 2 doesn't exist. Only the stuff that actually makes it to be published in the manga itself, or at least the anime, is canon. Toriyama would have forgotten that interview answer the instant he finished saying it.

>>737101

To be fair, Frieza didn't like to actually fight, he commanded an army to fight for him. There would be reason to think he would have an idea of tactics, even though he doesn't himself fight and use those tactics often. Goku got him angry and made him succumb to his arrogance, ignoring tactics that he should have known.

>>737202

>It seems extremely unlikely that even the Super Dragonballs could kill Zeno, though.

The only justification for the Super Dragon Balls is that they can grant ANY wish, since the regular Dragon Balls can already grant almost any wish but with a few very high level restrictions. Putting literally any restrictions on the Super Dragon Balls makes them just as useless as the regular Dragon Balls are now.

>>737852

I'm willing to overlook what mostly amount to minor plotholes in order to appreciate the deeper world and backstory brought in with concepts like Garlic Jr. and the Otherworld tournament. Like yeah they're not as good as the real arcs, but the filler is mostly pretty fun and the plotholes, while real, are overstated. Plus I'm autistic enough to have fun pulling mental gymnastics to try to explain the plotholes away. A lot of problems with the movies can be helped by saying they take place at specific parts of the series which are not necessarily when they were released. It's like a fun puzzle for turboautists.

>>737936

>the plotholes, while real, are overstated.

Except they cause unwarranted arguments and shitposting.

>I'm autistic enough to have fun pulling mental gymnastics to try to explain the plotholes away. A lot of problems with the movies can be helped by saying they take place at specific parts of the series which are not necessarily when they were released. It's like a fun puzzle for turboautists.

Oh no I remember you, you're that faggot who's made up head cannon makes even less sense and relies on nothing but plot contrivances. Fuck off, I'm not wasting the entire character count to prove you wrong again.

>>737948

>Except they cause unwarranted arguments and shitposting.

Well that's just the fault of casuals who can't accept that filler is filler and not actually canon. Casuals are gonna be casuals. Just because I'm sitting here saying filler can be fun doesn't mean that "it's filler" isn't a perfectly good reason to disregard certain things, especially things that cause plotholes.

>Fuck off, I'm not wasting the entire character count to prove you wrong again.

My only argument is that filler can be fun if you can let yourself overlook the plotholes, which can sometimes be explained away anyway. Not really much to disprove there. It's just the subjective opinion that some of the filler can be fun if you chill out, bro. If you've got too much of a stick up your ass, well that's too bad. But I can still find Dead Zone to be a fun little side adventure, even if it results in Krillin meeting Gohan twice and Goku mysteriously having his staff back after he shouldn't have it anymore. I'm willing to go "well they fucked up" but still enjoy the rest of it. You should loosen up a little.

>>737803

Oda remembers Tao Pai Pai a major character in the original Dragon Ball run, who Toriyama forgot.

>>737934

>No it wasn't. We are first introduced to the concept of reincarnation in regards to Krillin, Roshi, and Chaozu, who are all good guys, who would take a year to have their souls reincarnated.

That is just circular logic.

1) It was never mentioned prior to the DBS the anime that the time limit was due to reincarnation.

2) Goku and the other heroes aren't at risk of reincarnation.

3) It was never implied that good people had to be reincarnated.

4) In the original DB, it was implied that the time limit was tied to the condition of the body which gotten retconned.

5) Why are you using the DBS anime canon while things like fillers aren't? The BotG arc had that retarded three punches colliding will destroy the universe bullshit yet that isn't a problem with SSJB which is stronger than SSJG or the void where the three GoDs had a small match (admittedly it could be special but there should be nothing left in the Zamasu fight for Zeno to destroy.)

>>738045

>Just because I'm sitting here saying filler can be fun doesn't mean that "it's filler" isn't a perfectly good reason to disregard certain things,

Never said all filler was bad, but it's pointless to bring it up and your head canon when discussing continuity as laid established by the source material.

>filler can be fun if you can let yourself overlook the plotholes, which can sometimes be explained away anyway

Plot contrived head canon =! explanation

>Not really much to disprove there. It's just the subjective opinion that some of the filler can be fun

Filler objectively is pointless to bring up when discussing continuity and plot holes.

If you want to enjoy filler, fine, but it's not canon, and you probably should stop patting yourself on the back for being so "chill" about it.

>I'm willing to go "well they fucked up" but still enjoy the rest of it.

If you can accept the fact they fucked up continuity, you should accept that they will never be canon and quit wasting time on your autistic head canon that makes less sense than what Super is doing now. I can enjoy the movies and filler for what they are but I accept they aren't canon, so kindly shove your projection and laid back intellectual superiority up your ass.

>>737890

>Because he did it in DBO

It's not the manga or the anime though. I'd still like to see the Demon Realm more fully explored. I'd like to see how the Makaioshin function and Demigra could be used to bring more magic back into the series. Who knows where they'll go after the tournament of power arc though.

>>737803

>So he's like Kubo Tite where he had to read his own story to even remember characters and what happened in Bleach

Kubo's main issue, other than dragging Bleach through the shitter is that he would always create new characters to get over his writer's block, which would just cause him more trouble in the future. He really should have ended it with Aizen and the series would have finished on a pretty good note regardless of troll Aizen. However, he dragged the story along with the fullbringer and quincy arcs, mediocre art and bs like "the heart" and then SJ gave him a reality check by giving him 3 more episodes to finish.

>>737803

>So he's like Kubo Tite

Kubo's major issue was that he always resorted to shitting out more characters whenever he hit a wall. He also got pissy with SJ editorial and his artwork went down the shitter, which is about the time we started getting crap like "the heart". He was also dragging the fuck out of Bleach, which really should have ended after troll Aizen when it was still on a pretty high note. Everything past Aizen saw Bleach enter the shitter and I don't even think Kishi is too keen on doing that to Naruto with Baruto. Oda is the last of the big three left and OP is on its final leg, which it needs. OP needs to start wrapping it up soon as the story post-time skip has been pretty varied. The Big Mom arc has been pretty good, but the Fishman Island arc was awful. I don't even remember what the deal with Ceaser was and Dogtooth is currently raping Luffy.

>>737890

>Because he did it in DBO

It would be nice to see it in manga and anime form. The makaioshin could be used to show what the Shinjin are capable of when they don't have to stick to the role of life giver.

>>740095

>>740206

>always resorted to shitting out more characters

So like the average deviantautist then?

No new episode this week or just delayed?

>>740206

>Kubo's major issue was that he always resorted to shitting out more characters whenever he hit a wall.

I'd say Kubo's biggest issue was just being a shitty writer in general. The dude never gave a shit about his story at all, he just wanted to draw cool shit.

>>740775

I've never seen one. It's funny. Popularity of a manga series and how good the scans/translations you can find online are often inversely correlated.

I have a question if Trunks uses a spirit sword.

And fighting spirit energy is Ki.

Does that make it a KI-BLADE?

>>741247

>Hikari no Willpower

>>741840

>This weekend is going to be an hour long special. It's going to be Goku vs Jiren.

<We are so excited for Goku to fight this asshole with zero backstory or personality like the last asshole with zero backstory or personality.

Remember when Dragon Ball antagonists had build up and backstories? I stopped watching the show shortly after the start of the Tournament of Power.

>>742241

>Goku ... awakened to a new power called "Mastery of Self-Movement" where his body reacts on its own!

Literally just Rock Lee continuing to fight while unconscious, which I guarantee wasn't the first use of that trope in media. It sounds so fucking contrived that I would honestly rather Goku just get a new transformation better than SSGSS; at least it would be internally consistent to the rest of the series.

>>742246

>Color me surprised anon.

Please prove me wrong. Prove me that Jiren isn't just some asshole that is the strongest in the [current scope available to Goku] that only serves as a measuring stick for Goku.

Seriously, do we know much about even Hit? Someone is really upset about Piccolo being shafted. First, Pikkon. Now this.

>>742044

>Gohan and Piccolo kissing.

Jiren, the firmest and tightest ass.

>>742241

>My sides are moving on its own!

I know that this shit was mentioned by Whis but it is hard to give a shit.

>>742241

At least Goku has been training for it, but not even Beerus has fully mastered this shit.

>>742452

Well, yeah. He can hakai fucking anything with the wave of his hand, from a single person to an entire universe.

Good to see that Vegeta will be thrust back into irrelevance with this. Unless we get some shitty time skip and he masters it offscreen like last time.

>>742655

Vegeta hasn't been relevant since the early Cell saga; don't be ridiculous.

>>742419

>My body is moving on its own!

>>742419

>Literally just Rock Lee continuing to fight while unconscious, which I guarantee wasn't the first use of that trope in media.

Luffy tried to counter Enel's mind reading by turning off his brain but he realized while his body can dodge on its own he can't attack.

>>742423

>Please prove me wrong.

You missed the point of my post. I was sarcastically commenting that, "Of COURSE you quit at the tournament arc!"

Because tournament arcs are almost always shit.

>>742784

Was thinking the same thing, we need memes of this.

>>742241

>His eyes are greyed out because he's "dead"

>it's not even a transformation

>>742783

>Vegeta hasn't been relevant since the early Cell saga

>what is the buu arc

>>743157

>Does nothing for the first part of the arc

>Kills some useless weakling

>Fails to kill Goku

>Fails to beat Buu

>Dies

>Comes back to be used as fodder for what is basically another Goku transformation

>Fails to save the Earth and his son

>Fails to beat Buu (again)

It was a great arc for the little man, indeed.

>>743174

I thought they were doing a 1 hour special. Or is one of those 1 hour long?

>>743515

It looks like 109 and 110 were the 1-hour special.

>>743515

Those are the next episodes we're gonna see in the next couple of weeks anon. This 1h special was episode 109 and 110.

Besides all the fucking filler with recaps and reactions to Goku's fighting, these two episodes were pretty decent. The new ED is nice too.

Was that Hironobu Kageyama singing in 110?

Lol, the new form has oozaru technology

Power levels were a mistake.

>>743609

>Blue Goku > Hit

Are you sure about that?

>>743609

But he can't unless jiren shits his pants over some timestop powers, they remarked how he struck right when jiren "beat" goku because that's when warriors are at their most vulnerable moment.

>>743616

Pretty much. Another 'Frieza is total evil' fakeout.

>>743617

I think Frieza's going for the Moral Victory goal here and win Goku over. His best-case scenario is likely to "befriend" Goku so he can have the perpetually naive Saiyan hero on his side when he finally makes his move (possibly at Zeno or the High Priest). Worst case, at the very least he'll have Goku obligated to "repay" him for essentially saving Team 7's collective ass.

>>743543

>It also looks like Jiren is essentially a stand-in god of destruction for his team

I've been suspecting that he's actually a former GoD that just retired or something. There's nothing in the "rules" that state a God's predecessor has to die or be outclassed in order for there to be a new one. Maybe Jiren just got bored and so Anorexic Pennywise took up the role despite being weaker.

As for Goku's powers, it just seemed like another transformation. They can faff about how he absorbed the Spirit Bomb or suddenly became able to use some super-secret technique (that everyone someone knows about), but it's just Super Saiyan Silver. Call it "full mastery of God Ki (while using Super Saiyan)" or something. That said, seeing how Jiren was able to shrug off SSB with a goddamn 20x multiplier, one can assume SSS is at least twice that. So now Goku is roughly 40 times stronger than Vegeta. Lawl.

>>743616

Considering his plot to go fight for one of the other universes has failed, at this point helping out the home team is merely a matter of survival. You can see it as an admission that Frieza doesn't think he can beat Jiren with his own strength.

On that note, when all the benched members of U7 donated their energy to the Spirit Bomb, it was TOTALLY FUCKING CHEATING, and Zeno should have borked them away like he did with Frost. The little fuckers are showing favoritism again.

>>743563

It sounded like Tokusatsu legend Akira Kushida

>>732459

Saw the spirit bomb thing coming a mile away, since they did it with Trunks(kinda) too. I wonder if the manga will elaborate on that.

>>743741

It's not a transformation, it's a level of skill. Goku doesn't have a new transformation, that was all fluff to make absorbing the spirit bomb look cool. Probably to set it apart from the movie they stole the idea from.

>>743730

Looks more buff than usual.

>>743730

>>743741

Can't wait for Vegeta to somehow get it during a time skip. Whis was training him on how to use it though.

>>743723

I didn't know that attack was named

>>743801

Death Ball

>Conventional logic doesn't apply to Jiro

>Lets hold him back the entire tournament until halfway through

Either bug people have shit stamina or they're retarded.

How weak would Goku and Vegeta be if other characters also started using god ki like Freezer?

>>743859

>Broly film

>the strongest warrior capable of destroying galaxies when he was a baby

>beat the collective shit of SSJ Goku, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Gohan and Piccolo fused with Kami at full power while remaining unscratched

>Goku, in the verge of death, stands up and asks for the remaining energy of the other dying warriors

>this is enough to defeat Broly with one punch

I also read once that the writer of the films had to make everyone weaker than what they actually are because Goku was always supposed to defeat the bad guy at the end of the film.

>>743864

I heard a fanwank explanation that Goku punched Brolly in the same spot where he got stabbed as a kid, and he was somehow weak there.

The real explanation is that the movies are dumb even by DBZ standards.

>>743609

It looks like Hit is going to crazy with his time stop powers. Jiren has also been shown to be stronger than a god of destruction, so it's not like Hit has to worry about accidentally killing him. I would assume everyone is going to try and kill Jiren considering how strong he is. Taking him out even at the cost of one of your own would be a major boost to all of the other teams. It's similar to why Champa wants to see Goku knocked out regardless of who does it.

However, Jiren has been shown to be insanely strong, so I'm sure a lot of the universes are going to just try and survive with 3 or more fighters so that they don't get instantly destroyed. Having said that, the strongest fighters really should try and gang up on Jiren as best as they can.

>>743616

I figured as much too. It'll let Frieza even the score between them a bit too. Goku gave Frieza the energy to survive, so he'll do the same for Goku. It'll also be bad for Frieza if Goku gets knocked out as Vegeta sure as shit isn't going to help him.

>>743653

>On that note, when all the benched members of U7 donated their energy to the Spirit Bomb, it was TOTALLY FUCKING CHEATING, and Zeno should have borked them away like he did with Frost. The little fuckers are showing favoritism again.

The female team did something similar and were ignored by Zeno. I just think that he really didn't like Frost and decided to enforce the rules on him. It could also be that he wasn't paying attention at the time.

They let Jiren off the hook for apparantly vaporizing Goku too, so they do look to be pretty loose with the rules when they choose to be.

>>743892

>They let Jiren off the hook for apparantly vaporizing Goku too

Talking about vaporization, everyone assumes goku absorbed spirit bomb, but spirit bomb's energy exploded in front of the audience, on the stage. Goku teleported into black hole it created and got back from it. You can hardly call that absorbing spirit bomb. Did in movies it happened the same way?

>>743887

>A universe focuses entirely on stealth and keeps their fighters out of range of the shonen bullshit

By this time next week Hit is going to have an asshole to put Goatse to shame.

>>743911

Or they could pull what they did earlier with the hit vs goku fight in the previous tournament and have him rapidly improve. He will probably still get wrecked in the end though.

>>743915

Hit is probably one of the fastest learners in the entire fucking series, which says a lot. So there's plenty of room for bullshit.

>>743916

Only rivaling Trunks who could learn mafuba from a 10 second video on a smartphone.

>>743901

In the movies, the spirit bomb basically gets drained into Goku. Whereas here it was Goku and Jiren putting such extreme pressure on the bomb that it was compressed into a blackhole that then detonated after absorbing Goku. Nothing at all like the movies.

Jiren is probably mastering or already mastered Ultimate Instinct, which is why his eyes are those giant, black pupils with grey around them. The blackhole reminded me of that close up of his eyes too, where we saw something burning away in there. Maybe Jiren went through the same thing Goku did, getting sucked in by a black hole, and was strong enough to survive it and start mastering the changes it inflicted upon him.

>>743653

>You can see it as an admission that Frieza doesn't think he can beat Jiren with his own strength.

He's hoping to have the stronger fighters defeat one another while he waits in the shadows. At the end of the tournament he'll try to take the Dragon Ball himself to become a god. They pretty much outright said this was his plan in the show.

>>743918

I have a feeling Jiren doesn't have ultra instinct or whatever solely because nobodies kicked up a fuss over it, and you could tell Goku was more or less being less constructed with his fighting technique and more fluid which is the opposite of Jiren whose whole shtick is to be a stone.

>>743174

Gogeta did look nice and he had that stardust attack too.

>>743923

>I have a feeling Jiren doesn't have ultra instinct or whatever solely because nobodies kicked up a fuss over it

It's probably going to end up being that >>743653 is correct and he's a former god of destruction, which is going to set the stage for Goku to surpass the various gods of destruction in terms of raw strength.

>>743931

>It's probably going to end up being that >>743653 is correct and he's a former god of destruction, which is going to set the stage for Goku to surpass the various gods of destruction in terms of raw strength.

I thought he was suppose to be the next in line for God of Destruction, pretty sure they mentioned something like that in one of the pre tournament episodes.

>>743914

This was the best movie because it didn't take itself too seriously. They were clearly just having fun by making the entire plot "wacky shit happens and the heroes have to deal with it". Which is pretty ironic because Janemba is objectively the most powerful and dangerous main villain in the movies up to BoG, on par with Super Buu.

Also, "Goten and Trunks beat Hitler and an army of tanks" is just flawless summarizing.

>>743945

Toppo is being trained for it. Jiren is stronger than Toppo but isn't the GoD candidate. The latest manga chapter shows that Toppo is next in line.

>>743609

don't forget, hit wasnt able to fight at his best cause he didnt want to kill goku

>>743986

Toppo would make a terrible GoD. His concept of "justice" is so fucking loose that he would likely end up going full-retard and genociding the entire universe, because none of them are good enough to fit his standard.

Also, "Jiren is stronger than Toppo" is an absurd understatement. He is, at best, the Ginyu to Jiren's Freiza, at this point.

*sigh* the whole ultra instinct thing feels kinda lame. I almost wish they had went with a transformation power up instead.

>>743660

>This "Ultra Instinct" shit is literally what Whis told Goku and Vegeta about way the fuck back in the early RoF arc when he started training them; about having your body move and react completely independent of your thoughts. AKA instinct

That's vague and contrived and it's completely obvious that they just made it up five minutes before the episode. You have to be extremely delusional to think these hacks plan out a goddamn thing in the series at this point. The old "use your instinct, don't think about it" is what EVERY MARTIAL ARTS INSTRUCTOR in the history of media has told their disciple.

There's a right way and a wrong way to foreshadow an eventual occurrence. Lazy writers think referencing a meaningless throwaway line from a hundred chapters ago is the right way; protip: it's not.

>>744305

Once again the manga outclasses the anime. They already showed the Ultra Instinct technique at the start of the GoD exhibition match with Beerus tapping into it for a while before losing control of it and getting grappled. So Goku had heard of it, witnessed it and subtly hinted to Whis that he wanted to continue his training for it. As a result, there's a much better set-up for it showing up in the tournament. How it'll come about will likely be a bit different though.

>>742793

I thought that you meant "Of course you are complaining without seeing the best arc in the series! The Universe Survival arc build up Jiren as an imposing and deep character. He is a metaphor for Superman which ties into Belmod being like the Joker and the angel being Harley Quinn. Master Roshi being magically strong enough to hold his own is so cool. Frieza fighting his palette swap was so cool. Zeno is strong for killing a guy despite us seeing him destroy Future Trunks' timeline."

>>743931

>It's probably going to end up being that >>743653 is correct and he's a former god of destruction, which is going to set the stage for Goku to surpass the various gods of destruction in terms of raw strength.

I sincerely doubt it considering that Belmod has been the GoD for a very long time.

BTW: Remember all those shit anime endings that are a result of the anime outpacing the manga?

>>744347

>Vegeta in the pile of bodies

Whoever does these is so good.

>>744347

>Be a God of Destruction for literally millions of years

>Universe mortals have a power level of like five or ten and you're the unquestioned top of the food chain for this entire period

>A species shows up with power levels in the thousands; yeah, whatever

>A few hundred years later, a galactic tyrant with a power level of a few million shows up; you use him to blow up those other fuckers, but whatever, it's still nothing to worry about

>Like 30 years later one guy manages to just barely edge out that tyrant's power; well, that was fast, but whatever

>Suddenly like 10 years later he's got God Ki, a power level in the hundreds of trillions, and can stand toe-to-toe with you and other GoD

>Wait... what?! The fuck???

Beerus really got the short stick, here. It's not his fault that Goku is a goddamned freak of nature that has a power level that's literally rising exponentially over time. This must be how sharks feel, when a species of squishy mammals developed the technology to nonchalantly genocide them, over only a few generations.

>>743859

>m8 they already did it in movie 7.

I am aware, but they did it already once and one the Spirit Bomb was brought out I figured it out because that's what they use nowadays when they hype the enemy up too much and need a quick and vague reason for a powerup.

>>744328

I think it's been stated in past threads, but the anime is seemingly there to try out new ideas that can be fixed or built upon in the manga. This lets the manga make corrections that normally wouldn't be possible.

>>744494

That's pretty much how it goes now, yeah.

>>744637

I can't even fathom how he can be so goddamn scatterbrained. It's always been like this. He initially drew Goten and Trunks without tails because HE FORGOT THAT SAIYANS HAVE THEM. He's not the kind of person that would forget a baby in a hot car, he would forget that he OWNS A CAR.

>>744654

>>744637

Even with writing week to week you'd think he'd recall a few of these details or be reminded during the design process.

You know considering he couldnt control his ultra instict with that genkidama... I have the feeling he's gonna make a smaller one similar to the one in Vegeta's fight and he's gonna thrust it himself like if he were a fucking shaman king and that's how he's gonna be able to control it.

Sounds dumb but considering toei is highly probably.

>>744448

To be fair. Beerus has Freezas lazyness about training. Considering that the manga has beerus out performing nearly every GoD but 1 or 2 without trying with sleeping for a millennia as a handicap. Makes you wonder what Beerus would be like if he actually trained during those years.

>>744347

Does someone have more of these, because I love them and want to see all of them.

>>744715

Why do saiyans even train when zenkai boosts exist?

Is there a limit to them?

They all could just almost kill themselves, eat a senzu bean, repeat this a few times and become the strongest thing in the universe(s)

>>744762

Because MUH SAIYAN HONOR.

>>744762

I think I saw somewhere that the canon explanation is that it's less effective the higher a Saiyan's power level is.

>>744762

Zenkai boosts and senzu beans are like transformations. They only happen when the plot demands it. As I recall, the last time it was mentioned (or at least inferred) was when Perfect Cell blew himself up, and when he came back he was as strong as a Super Saiyan 2, whereas previously he was only as strong as a Super Saiyan 1.75 or something.

>>744887

>>744775

There's a limit to zenkai effectiveness and senzu beans are in short supply. So training is preferable and also gives you greater control over your power. Goku and Gohan wouldn't have been able to zenkai their way into perfect SSJ usage during the Cell arc, they had to train to that level.

It's also been stated that zenkais are basically worthless for Goku and Vegeta because they're so strong that their body can't buff them further, so they have to train and master new techniques to see growth.

Ultra Instinct seems less like an increase in strength and more like perfect Ki control and delivering nothing but hard reads of your opponents. I think it just makes you super efficient and effective at fighting rather than multiplying your strength.

A better summary of episode 112 is out and...

Looks like Jiren takes Hit out of the tourney and thats why Vegeta goes to Cabba to help him of course

>>744930

He's speaking narratively.

>>744891

>senzu beans are in short supply

I wonder why. Back in Dragon Ball when Goku climbed up the tower there were dozens of pots full of them. You can't tell me they ate them all off-screen

>>745090

Yajirobe ate a lot of them when he first came up and Goku ate a lot of them when he was training under intense gravity on his way to Namek.

How would a Steel Dragon Ball Run go?

>>744891

>There's a limit to zenkai effectiveness and senzu beans are in short supply

A zenkai will always give the character exactly enough power to get to exactly as strong as he needs to be for the next fight to be interesting, at least until Toriyama forgot they existed. There are always enough senzu beans to heal anyone who needs to be healed so they can get to the next fight. They also fix everything, except of course heart-attacks because we can't have that.

(For that matter, if zenkais still worked, they could also just get Dende or Buu to heal them every time, no beans required.)

>>745096

>Steel Dragon Ball Run

>Power levels reset down to martial artist level

>Goku rides a horse called Nimbus

>Goku already married, Gohan around six or seven years old

>Goku and Vegeta team up to win the race/prove they're the fastest gun in the west

>Christ's body replaced with dragon balls

>Frieza as the race organiser/overarching villain

>Frieza in a cowboy outfit

>There's a lot of shooting and fist fighting

>Builds up to Goku learning the Kamehameha and using it in the final fight after an intense shoot-out with Frieza

>Native American headdress wearing Piccolo

>>745176

>Frieza as the race organiser/overarching villain

<Not President King Furry Valentine Only Goku and Gohan have surnames because apparently Briefs isn't Bulma's surname but just her father's given name.

I have a different take on that.

>Power levels reset down to martial artist level

>Staring Son Gohan and a paraplegic Briefs

>Briefs joins Gohan after exposure to Ki (it works differently now) temporally allowed him to walk

>Christ's body replaced with Dragon Balls

>Dragon Balls are normally inert but someone repairs the dragon statue

>Briefs creates the Dragon Radar

>The Dragon Balls have a 10

>Briefs falls in love a rival rider called Panchy that switches personality and hair color from sneezing

>King Furry wants to gather all of the Dragon Balls to be both the King and Kami of Earth

>Gohan has amnesiac wife called Gine and a wife's son called Goku

>Kami told Gohan to stop King Furry

>A rider named Oolong wins the race and unknowingly wishes for panties (unaware of the Dragon Balls wish granting abilities)

>>745096

Goku grew up learning martial arts from Gohan, showing an incredible aptitude for it. However, after transforming into the Great Ape one night and killing his grandpa, Goku has his tail removed and with it, his balance and co-ordination is lost. By coincidence, he happens to be at the start of the Dragon Ball Run race years later, where he witnesses Master Roshi being escorted out of a bar for hitting on the waitresses. They try to take his entrance fee from him, prompting Roshi to defend himself against them. Goku's instincts take over and his body mimics the motions of the Turtle Hermit style and for the first time in years, just for a moment, he feels himself moving with grace.

The Dragon Ball Run was first conceived by a down-on-his-luck Professor Brief, then seized upon by Emperor Pilaf as a scheme to acquire the Dragon Balls. His reasoning is that if he holds a big race across the continent, it will surely be a major plot arc to draw in a wealth of characters. Then all heh as to do is wait for the protagonists to stumble upon the Dragon Balls for him as they go, then swoop in at the last minute to steal them.

Goku asks Roshi if they can participate in the race together and Roshi agrees only if Goku can find a cute girl to go with them. He manages to recruit Hot Bloomers, who is in it for the Dragon Balls and her father.

Demon King Piccolo takes the role of Diego. Yamcha as Mountain Tim, Mercenary Tao as Sandman. By the end, Pilaf gets the Dragon Balls and makes a wish for eternal youth, which is interpreted in a way that gives him Perfect Cell-level regeneration. Roshi's final lesson helps Goku master the Kamehameha to obliterate Pilaf's body all at once. The last stretch of the race is a chase against Piccolo Jr as he tries to escape with the exhausted Dragon Balls.

In the end, Popo Loco wins.

>>746577

>More kale and caulifa could be nice

No, fuck 'em. After that stupid broli rage they've literally just stood behind rocks the whole time. Hit was screaming for their help and they just kinda stood there and watched him get eliminated, they're worse than Yamcha at this point.

>>746591

>they're worse than Yamcha at this point.

Well they're qts unlike Yamcha.

>>746591

>Hit was screaming for their help and they just kinda stood there and watched him get eliminated

I was hoping they would at least try to knock him off the edge. It's like, holy shit, he's right there. The outcome more than likely would have been the same as Jiren eventually started moving forward while under Hit's influence and it was shown by the two robots later on that a fighter will have zero effect on him unless they're "worthy". However, it would have been nice to see Jiren push them all back, but that also may have diminished the saiyans a bit too much.

Given that the next few episodes are going to focus on the saiyans, the last thing they want to do is make them look especially weak.

>stood behind rocks the whole time

I can kinda blame Hit for that a bit. He thought for a second that he could actually hold Jiren in place for the last half of the tournament. Even the robots thought they stood a change of knocking him out of the ring. Other than Frieza and a few others, I don't really think most of the fighters really understand just how dangerous Jiren is. If they did, they would more than likely be ganging up on him as best they could. Even Hit didn't fully understand how strong he was until Jiren was punching him and even then, he thought he could freeze him.

There is also very little that anyone can do to Jiren now that Hit is gone and Goku's power is so low. He's able to walk now thanks to Frieza, but I doubt Frieza thinks he could take him. This is also supported by Frieza both Frieza referring to him as a monster and his not wanting to fight him at all.

>>746600

Given that the saiyans survived in U6, I want to see how an entire civilization of saiyans would react to the discovery of the super saiyan transformation. I'm sure a lot of them are too weak to manage it, but it is a significant power boost for those that can.

On that note, I wonder how the Namekians differ. They look darker than Piccolo and more reminiscent of Lord Slug and King Piccolo. I wonder if they're a more violent race in U6? Also, if Piccolo did fuse with them, would he disappear should U6 get knocked out, will they defuse, or will they be considered part of U7?

There's a lot they can do with the upcoming episodes and there's a lot more that they can do with all of this new material. I'm hoping they don't completely squander it.

>>746609

Namekian "fusion" is badly named. It's more like absorption. In which case they would remain a member of U7 because Piccolo's body would be the dominant one. It's unknown whether the absorbed Namekian would be considered dead (and if it could be blamed on Piccolo). Also, if Zeno's powers could later erase that "portion" of Piccolo should U6 be eliminated, but for that one I'd wager yes.

In any case, it probably won't happen. They don't have anything to gain for their own universe by increasing the combat capability of someone from another universe.

I'm not finding the newest episode anywhere, Where did you get it? Already tried nyaa.pantsu.

Hit is literally a time wizard

>>746672

They might still be on youtube, but those only last a day or so before getting taken down.

>>746818

The episode is still on nyaa.si

>>746823

I'm watching it on youtube, not going to use that site in a million years. They can go fuck themselves.

>>746609

>I wonder how the Namekians differ. They look darker than Piccolo

Niggerseijin

>>746823

>>746834

What did .si do?

>>746818

You can usually get the streams as they're happening on Saturday with the dubs coming out like 45 minutes afterwards. They get taken down because of copyright.

>>746857

Basically every cancerous group of people you don't want in anime is behind that site. Sorry if I can't give you a better answer but it's late here and I want to go to bed.

>>746914

I'm sorry I didn't word that very well, I meant the torrents. This is the first time i've seen new dragon ball episodes get taken down from multiple sites.

So that anon who asked more califla and Kale is getting his wish granted for episode 113, since both are gonna fight Goku again.

>>748627

Getting tired of those worthless characters. Even boring-ass Jiren is more interesting than Mary Sue Fanfic Saiyans One Two and Three.

>>748876

>Even boring-ass Jiren is more interesting than Mary Sue Fanfic Saiyans One Two and Three.

That's because Jiren still has a lot of mystery left. He has a lot more potential than the saiyans, because we don't know that much about him and that means there's a lot that can be done with his character. I'm sure a lot of that will be wasted, but the opportunity is still there. The saiyans can grow as characters, but the tournament is really giving anyone enough time for that. We'll just keep getting pieces here and there like Ribrianne's failing confidence and Rozie being there to keep the team together. I also think a lot of it is Saiyan fatigue. We just about know everything about them and their behavior to the point that anyone else is more interesting to some degree. Having said that, it was interesting to see Goku being ignored by Jiren and his realization as to how weak he is now. Goku has never really been outclassed like that since at least DB.

I'm kinda hoping Goku gets robbed of his rematch victory or at least it takes everyone to get over Jiren. Goku really needs to get reigned in a bit. Vegeta has already been toned down and I feel that Goku could use the same. The new "transformation" really only makes his attacks more fluid and instinctual rather than just buffing up his power again, which was nice. I'm kinda hoping they take the whole "recharge" angle somewhere. The fight scenes can get a bit stale given how long the series has been running. Adding in something extra could let the writers and artists make them more interesting.

>>748627

It was known some episodes ago that there would be another saiyan episode that focused on caulifa and kale by the writer of the episode.

>>748932

>Goku has never really been outclassed like that since at least DB

It happened with Frieza pre-Super-Saiyan, and to a lesser degree with pretty much every other major villain.

>>746607

>TFW Vegeta gives more of a shit about this random schmuck Saiyan from another universe than he ever did about his own son.

That is kinda retarded but makes sense once you think about it. Kid Trunks isn't a warrior, he's a spoiled brat. Cabba is, even though he comes from a way more peaceful universe where saiyans have achieved a functional and active role in protecting the universe. Cabba is closer to the saiyan warrior son than Trunks could hope to come to.

>>746823

>>746834

You can go to horriblesubs.info and find the episode yourself, then click on the magnet link instead of giving .si any traffic.

>>749006

>Kid Trunks isn't a warrior, he's a spoiled brat

If this is true, it's completely Vegeta's fault.

>>749117

>If this is true, it's completely Vegeta's fault.

It's not just his fault, it's Bulma's. People keep blaming Chi Chi for keeping Gohan away from training but we only get to see her doing that while Bulma's mothering is completely ignored. Going by what we've seen of Kid Trunks, he's a borderline wimp, a brat, has no aspirations, and aside from the earliest scenes of Vegeta training with him, he's got a very very long way to go if he wants to be like Future Trunks. And if the ending of DBZ is still canon, he will never achieve that.

Vegeta's shared failure is enough for him to want to teach Cabba who despite being a bit of a wimp still wants to learn how to be strong so he can be a better protector. None of those aspirations or traits exist in Kid Trunks. Remember how he acted when kid mai was lusting over Future Trunks? He was upset that he had to try to win her over. He's a definite spoiled brat. The only thing worse is that he's a bad influence since it's no wonder Goten goes nowhere since not only is Chi Chi more relaxed in her mothering and Goku is a no-show once more, Goten will be like that dude who's always ready to go out and has no aspirations.

>>749121

>It's not just his fault, it's Bulma's

You got it backwards. Having the exact same genes, and having Bulma as his only biological parent made Future Trunks a warrior of the highest caliber. Vegeta wasn't there at all. If Kid Trunks is screwed, it's because Vegeta wasn't hard enough on him. Probably spouted off that Royal Bloodline bullshit since he was a baby, and put it in his head that he doesn't have to put in actual effort to automatically be superior. The fact that his only possible same-age rival is COMPLETELY useless doesn't help matters.

hello?

Ah so they're planning on super dragonball fuckery after all. Welp there goes the tension.

How many enemies are they going to use that simply roll at you?

>>749280

>He was shown to have some chance against Frieza even though he was losing pretty badly

I suppose so, but that was only for dramatic tension (which Super can't figure out how to do to save their life). Goku's Kaioken couldn't do more than burn Frieza's hand, and the Spirit Bomb did jack shit. In reality, until the Super Saiyan thing, Goku wasn't even CLOSE to Frieza in power.

Speaking of, I'm liking how much of an ass he is being. Going after Cabba when he was weak was completely unnecessary; his Golden Form is comparable to SSB, which is approximately nine and a half fucktons stronger than SSJ2. Seems he just did it for teh evilz.

I can't see Vegeta losing to Toppo. Since Jiren has proven to be the strongest one, Toppo doesn't have any importance as a character. I fully expect Vegeta to beat him (though barely), and then maybe get knocked aside like a bug by Jiren as he comes out of meditation, just in time for his big showdown with Goku.

>>749280

Vegeta has been pretty much irreverent in this tournament so far. I really hope this 'second-fiddle' fight isn't his big moment.

>>749265

>Ah so they're planning on super dragonball fuckery after all. Welp there goes the tension.

<implying that there was any tension from the beginning

Even if U7 loses (which I doubt will happen), the winners using the status quo balls isn't interested at all.

Why hasn't anyone rewritten everything? Why are people defending this garbage? Are we really retconning GT with nuGT? The different hair color transformations are somehow lazier than SSJ2. I really hope Dragon Ball Z Fighters has almost no DBS cancer (It already included SSJB).

>>749559

Golden Frieza is part of Frieza's moveset as his ultimate.

I wish Golden Frieza was a separate character like SSB Goku and Vegeta. All the other original DBZ characters are at their most powerful (besides SSJ3) forms and then Frieza pulls Golden instead of 100%. It seems weird having that as part of him but SSB are kept separate.

>>749602

Goku's gonna teach them the fucking fusion dance? In only a few minutes too! What the fuck is this guy thinking?

Can't wait for the lewds.

>>749614

Same anon here, actually it'd be pretty funny if he got them to fuse and they fuck up and become fat/old.

>>749616

The Mary-Sue Saiyans? Fuck that. They'll get it perfect the first time. You know they will.

Which reminds me. Link Voice: "I wonder what Goten and Trunks are up to."

Why was the new DBS thread deleted? This thread reached its bump limit. What would it take to un-canon DBS?

>>750034

>Why was the new DBS thread deleted?

Probably because of the political comment in the OP.

>What would it take to un-canon DBS?

Technically it's never was or will be, because it's not based on a manga. Doesn't matter that Toriyama has "creative input" or whatever. But to be less pedantic, it would be if another Dragonball series happened in the future, that somehow retconned the events of this one. I can't see that happening, because nobody is aging anymore, so they can just have the Continued Adventures of Goku (and Some Other Fucks) until the heat death of the universe without bothering to establish any sort of timeline.