97a5bd No.16739492
How close could you make a NES remake without getting a C&D?
I'm not talking about making a mario royale kind of BS, but an original HD successor of a NES game, maybe making similar but still original art and music.
More like a spiritual successor than a remake.
Are those still ok with companies or can you get a letter from nintendo lawyers?
What's the best way to avoid getting that letter?
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333ae3 No.16739506
>or can you get a letter from nintendo lawyers?
You know there's lots of games on the NES that nintendo doesn't have whole rights over.
As far as taking elements from a NES game and remaking it, there's literally nothing stopping you.
If you're asking "How much could I rip off from a NES game without getting into trouble" that's a different question entirely, and really fucking gay.
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97a5bd No.16739510
>>16739506
Is not really rip off, but more like an HD remake but I don't want to get a letter from a company.
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333ae3 No.16739514
>>16739510
So, "I want to use copyright infringement to push my portfolio and/or gain eFame"
Make it then email nintendo yourself after you're finished like the AM2R niggers for your 15 minutes of fame, you talentless whore.
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7d70d3 No.16739516
>>16739510
>>16739492
Step 1) Don't tell anyone you're making Super Mario: The True Sequel HD
Step 2) Release it spontaneously, preferably hiding your real name and IP address. Don't associate it with your real identity.
OR
Make a romhack since those are pretty safe legally.
OR
Just take elements from a game and change the names and look of the main characters. This is completely legal.
They only have the right to take down a game that distributes their copyrighted assets or uses their trademark.
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310555 No.16739518
In terms of copyright, don't use what the company has copyrighted. Specific ideas, like the names of characters/names/etc. are covered by copyright, but the concept of a plumber hitting boxes and jumping on turtles isn't specifically protected. That said, the judge has the last word, which means expensive lawyers can win that case.
Also keep in mind, that the laws are fucked up, so even if you win the case, you'll still lose in court fees and your life will be ruined.
Spiritual successors are more than allowed, even reusing mechanics (if they had a patent, it'll be over by now). Don't use character designs, names, locations, and especially don't advertise it with the name of the original game. Make it clear it's a separate copyright, and you'll be fine.
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97a5bd No.16739522
>>16739514
maybe you're right with the eFame, that would be a good thing.
I still want to see those games in HD like kof 12, so kids today can play them.
Also, they're easy to make and wouldn't take a lot of time to make.
Also, easy e-fame which is good anyway.
>>16739516
>>16739518
I think parodies are ok by law, so I'm still curious to see how much can I parody the original and make it original enough to be safe.
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c00523 No.16739527
Game mechanics cannot be the subject of a copyright. Game companies will tell you otherwise, and even try (and sometimes succeed) in copyrighting their mechanics (which will never hold up in court). If you want more evidence about that, take a gander at the history of tabletop RPGs, and how every game's rules can be found online or freely distributed. Basically, as long as you're not using actual names, assets, or representations, you're fine.
>What's the best way to avoid getting that letter?
Unfortunately, companies like Zenimax or Nintendo are infamous for those letters. You're bound to get a letter by some company, even if you're not infringing upon copyrights. If you're 100% certain you're not infringing upon their material, politely tell them to blow it out their ass.
For example, you could entirely clone the Super Metroid engine. If the graphics, sound, and levels are all of your original design, you are not infringing upon anything. If your character was just an HD Samus, you're treading upon suspicious grounds.
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f6c0c7 No.16739528
Fuck off faggot, you asked the exact same shit in the /agdg/ thread. Why don't you go make that redpilled game instead?
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333ae3 No.16739529
>>16739522
I hope every day you think about the fact you are literally below people who recreate the sonic unleashed engine in roblox.
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a4d85a No.16739530
You could remake 80% of the stage layout of Mario 1 with similar mechanics as long as you don't feature Mario, mushrooms, Goombas, Koopas or the Koji Kondo music and you'd be unfuckingtouchable. This is what I don't get about all those niggertastic fangames: how hard is it to say "this is my shitty fangame, INSPIRED by X series"? Nintendo couldn't do shit, and yet no, they have to include the most famous of Nintendo characters, shill it on the biggest of Nintendo news sites and also make money off of it via Patreon.
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997787 No.16739532
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
You can get pretty damn close if you copy the "feel" but not characters' names and designs.
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fba96e No.16739536
Just make an original game or the biggest thing. Dont fuckin advertise it while it's in dev. Stealth release it and let the downloads spread on their own. Dont let them trace it back to you. Meaning don't flaunt that you made it. They will never be able to find you.
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48b0f4 No.16739539
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6232e6 No.16739540
Haven't you made like five of these threads and all you had to show for it were some shitty Popeye sprites?
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310555 No.16739554
>>16739522
Parody is fair use, as is a lot of things. Except the DMCA got rid of fair use because corporations rule the country and the world. So you can parody, but they'll take you to court, and you will either lose the case or lose all your money, and they will only gain more power.
That's to say you're parodying a popular copyright. You could get away with something niche, unpopular, or from a dead company.
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1fa87c No.16739556
>>16739492
Don't make a HD Mario, just make a Great Vagina Sisters type thing instead.
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310555 No.16739561
>>16739527
>Game mechanics cannot be the subject of a copyright
Correct, they can be the subject of patents. Sega patented the arrow in Crazy Taxi. Namco patented loading screen minigames, and Katamari's gameplay. Look up any big games corp on the patent database, and you'll find them doing a lot of them. Patents last 20 years, thankfully, so Katamari might be free to clone in a couple years.
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6232e6 No.16739563
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Also NES "graphics packs" are already a thing.
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1fa87c No.16739568
>>16739540
>Popeye
A good example of how you can make a clone of a game without infringing on the original.
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6232e6 No.16739581
>>16739568
>furry
>gay
>vore
>CRT filter complete with curving
>"good"
Yiff in Hell, furfag.
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1fa87c No.16739595
>>16739581
It's good from a technical example.
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3eb432 No.16739622
>>16739568
fuck you for reminding me of this sack of shit's existence
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edfea0 No.16739756
>>16739492
Doesn't Super Mario Flashback already exist?
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474d3c No.16739775
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a1e5ef No.16739783
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>>16739492
>How close could you make a NES remake without getting a C&D?
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b7b537 No.16739787
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f79ba6 No.16739854
>>16739568
>Furry vore shit
There's a special place in hell for such an autistic fetish being considered a thing!
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6232e6 No.16739878
Hey guys, let me show you La-Mulana a masterful example of nonlinear adventure platforming.
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e319cf No.16739935
>>16739492
Just don't use your real identity and don't make money off it and they can't do shit.
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adda96 No.16739962
>>16739492
>How close could you make a NES remake without getting a C&D?
Pixel for pixel if you're not a retard and smear your ass all over the internet talking about how you're making a remake of a nintendo game.
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97e773 No.16739976
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The entire platforming genre is pretty much built on copying Mario. I don't think there's much to worry about, as long as you aren't using copyrighted characters.
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9d146a No.16739984
Game mechanics aren't copyrightable. Just don't use copyrighted characters, assets, or music and you're fine. There were tons of Mario Bros ripoffs that didn't get C&D'd because they didn't call their shit "Super Mario Assblaster 23" or whatever. You can effectively copy the mechanics of any NES game verbatim and nothing will happen as long as you don't copy characters, art, music, code, or arguably level design (It's never been taken to court, but level design itself would be easy to argue as a unique piece of art, so I wouldn't push your luck here).
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caddf5 No.16739994
>>16739492
>How close could you make a NES remake without getting a C&D?
>don't use the same assets from the original game and come up with your own ripoffs with distinctive enough features
>don't release "teaser trailers" when you're just halfway through development but rather when you're ready to release it flat out
>release the full game on multiple platforms instead of being a nigger and hosting it yourself on your own home computer, consider giving it to places like imageboards or shitty social media sites that revel in distributing content rather than censoring it
>if you really fucking want to use the original series' likeness, just upload a "graphics/sound mod" later down the line so you're technically not making a copy, but rather modding an unrelated game into a ripoff, which doesn't count
>don't trust Reddit on anything
>>16739516
These are also good suggestions
Really, if you have the skills to make a full remake/HD re-release of something, just use your talents to make something YOURS even if you end up copying core elements or just make the right steps in avoiding getting caught.
>>16739568
If you discard the shitty fetish, that's a pretty good example of what to do if you wanna make a ripoff.
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caddf5 No.16739998
>>16739984
Actually game mechanics can be patented, but it's much harder for lawyers to set you up as infringing on their shit so they barely ever bother. SEGA and Level-5 went to court for the latter supposedly stealing the ability to move soccer players on the touch screen.
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2af259 No.16740013
>>16739878
would be great if the game didnt abruptly stop after you shove the second boss dick inside your furry shota ass
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60986d No.16740022
>>16739492
The important thing to remember is the letters are not legally binding. A corporate lawyer's office is not a court of law
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1fa87c No.16740042
>>16739878
It's more Kightmare 2 than La-Mulana. It's a pretty good game though.
>>16740013
No there's a second demo out there that has a third dungeon and boss.
I hope it gets finished soon.
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1a02ea No.16740057
Haven't you been posting this exact fucking thread since like a year ago with nothing to show for it?
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2af259 No.16740067
>>16740042
harmarist is busy drawing incest between his 2 gay dog OCs
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9d146a No.16740068
>>16739998
Those patents are usually reserved for small things that can be considered simple, novel ideas. It's bullshit, but it's also not going to hit you with NES games, especially because those patents expire after 20 years, so you're in the clear.
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1fa87c No.16740071
One day I'll finally get around to making my game featuring the completely original hero Bimon Selmont.
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b698d1 No.16740628
>>16739492
Make your game and open source it.
Don't be an attention whore.
When the C&Ds drop it's too late, thousands of people already have your source and you will have an active modding / support scene.
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65e697 No.16740652
>>16740071
I'd play a Castlevania game featuring Captain N Simon.
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dcc737 No.16740653
wasn't there a megaman clone with a bunch of original Japanese magical girls with german-like names?
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3fc97d No.16740664
>>16739506
> that nintendo doesn't have whole rights over.
That would still be a bitch to fight over on a trial given Chinktendo's immense money and the average Joe's relatively broke ass in comparison
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6232e6 No.16740669
>>16740653
Rosenkreuzstilette. There's also a sequel where you have (Ice) Rush instead of Items 1-3 and your default weapon is (Ice) Needle Cannon.
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51cbed No.16740730
>>16739522
>"Also, easy e-fame which is good anyway."
Do you know where you are right now, dumbass?
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c8e687 No.16740911
>>16739492
Don't announce it until it's finished and ready for it's 1.0 release, make sure to release it through a Tor onion address, and never take credit for it through channels that can be tied back to your real identity.
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caddf5 No.16741504
>>16740669
Another great example
>>16740068
As I said, it's unlikely you'll get any heat for copying the jump mechanics of Mehrio, Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about a non-competitor.
>>16740628
Also this, if you want to truly make the game just let other people fuck around with the code instead of being an attention whore
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57bb7c No.16741553
C&D wouldn't even be a problem if these retards making fangames would just stay anonymous
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8c5718 No.16741560
>>16740730
Mark tried to plug xir twitch a week ago, this is /v/ now.
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2af259 No.16741575
>>16739492
>How close could you make a NES remake without getting a C&D?
the best way is to make a mod for the original game like the NES Metroid HD Pack. (still need access to the original rom file) (other NES HD Pack are already in the works)
• Increased resolution
• Increased frame count for running
• Scrolling backgrounds
• Updated sound effects and music
• File resources for alternate sound and graphics
• New title and ending screen
• Automap
• New secret area in Brinstar
• Animated environments
• Beam stacking
• Saving
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b2f621 No.16741646
>>16739492
Game mechanics are not copyrightable, and Mario's mechanics have not as far as I am aware been patented, so implementing a 1:1 copy of its physics engine through clean room reverse engineering would not constitute either copyright or patent infringement.
To avoid copyright issues, the assets would have to be original and the levels would have to be redesigned. Abstract ideas such as eating a mushroom to grow bigger or jumping on evil turtles to make their shells slide are not copyrightable in themselves, but some caution would have to be exercised when using such elements.
To avoid trademark issues, naturally none of the names of the game's characters or objects names could be used. Call it something generic, like John the Plumber.
Combining these, I doubt Nintendo would have any legal standing in court. Consider The Great Gianna Sisters: despite intimidating Rainbow Arts and retailers to drop the game, they never actually took legal action against the developers.
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dfc95c No.16741925
>>16740730
You mean you don't want another notch or yandev? :^)
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b6dc16 No.16741963
>>16741646
>through clean room reverse engineering
Nice try, Mr. Peterstein.
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23e88f No.16742062
Why would you want to remake NES games? They're so mechanically devoid of anything interesting, at least remake a Saturn or SNES game. I wouldn't mind an Umihara Kawase clone with mouse controls.
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37d896 No.16742070
mario's basic gameplay hasn't been copyrighted due to being so ubiquitous so knock yourself pit
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09548c No.16742072
>>16739492
make your own game. no more ripoffs, clones, remakes, prequels.
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