53056d No.16737173
There was an old 80s game called Archon that was essentially chess except whenever you'd land on an enemy's space you'd goto an arena room and you'd physically fight using a different engine. Pawns were weak and certain pieces could cast spells outside of the arena. Also certain spaces gave you health or power boosts if you were on them.
They remade it recently as Archon Classic but I haven't gotten around to trying it. I was searching for similar games in the same genre but it appears like this is entirely unique to the Archon series.
Websites that suggest similar games suggest stuff like BloodBowl and SRPGs. Do any anons know of the name for the Archon genre? or where to find similar modern versions?
I feel like its a niche that no one is tapping into. I really enjoy strategy games and SRPGs but I always felt as if the forced combat was a bit cheap. Your strategy should only improve your chances of winning a fight, not guarantee them.
Imagine FFtactics or even Advanced Wars except when units attacked you played some minigame 1 v 1 battle fighter to determine the actual outcome. There should always be a chance for an underdog to defy all odds.
Then add an element like in Civ where the longer a unit survives the more it becomes a veteran and earns more resources like power or weapons etc etc.
There's a lot of people who like slow strategy AND twitch competitive gameplay. So any help anons?
Do we just call this the Archon Genre?
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3bd8a9 No.16737177
>>16737173
Pretty sure that's still just a Tactics game, despite extra flair.
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335464 No.16737184
It's an interesting topic OP, but seeing as there's only two games with a very limited following I don't think that genre is the right word just yet. The concept needs to flourish and be explored before then, and based on what you've given it sounds worthwhile to at least try.
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c38590 No.16737188
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9bdd4d No.16737193
Japan made several shitty clones for the NES. Little Magic and the SD Gundam Gachapon Senshi games.
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684832 No.16737195
I've wanted Archon to be expanded on for 30+ years OP, are you me? There should be Archonlikes along with roguelikes, I don't get it. It's such a great concept.
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4df5d3 No.16737198
>>16737173
Interesting to see someone else interested in this idea. I was asking around the fighting game thread because I was looking for games similar to Shaman King: Power of Spirit which merges fighting game combat with turn based tactical board movement. Although the game also has the option to play out combat purely through the stats of your characters, you can always opt to fight your opponent(s) in a soul calibur-esque engine.
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73f02c No.16737204
>>16737173
Get that monkey paw ready, OP.
Archon-like
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21e6db No.16737207
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684832 No.16737209
>>16737195
Oh yeah, and I should add, despite hating that it's true, that this sort of autism is what makes ASSFAGGOTS popular. It's too bad there wasn't some Wakfu-style MMO with Archon combat during the heyday of 'hey lets try this thing but massively multiplayer'.
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53056d No.16738091
>>16737193
>>16737195
>>16737198
these look like the closest "clones". The Archon battle gameplay was setup in the same vein as another great classic called Gain Ground. Top Down shooter with special moves and unique characters.
I don't want to waste another thread, and you all look like you might know whats up. Do we have any spiritual successors to Gain Ground beyond that PS2 remake?
In the meantime me and my friends go back and forth between smash bros and MTG. to get that slow strat and fast twitch fight.
*Also props to gain ground for making a german general your ally.
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f5f780 No.16738111
Godzilla on the NES was like this. Also Chess Kombat from Mortal Kombat Deception was fun
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551b0b No.16738127
>>16737173
>Fantasy Chess
>Fantasy Shogo
>Battle Chess
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b82a1b No.16738143
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>>16737173
The authors of Ballistic Weapons released a game like that a while back.
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06a15a No.16740646
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>>16737173
>Do any anons know of the name for the Archon genre? or where to find similar modern versions?
Getting back to this, it's not so much a genre but you're looking for strategy games that substitute a deterministic combat system with some form of real time combat?
Yggdra Union: You Shall not Fight Alone also has a momentum based combat system where you chose how hard your soldiers fight and have to balance being defensive with going all out as your ability to attack at full force is tied to a meter that drains on attack, and charges on defense. There is also an element of deck building where you use cards to determine how many moves you can make in a turn, and confer abilities and effects to units for the duration.
You can also stack the number of units that attack in a single encounter by linking them together based on whether the unit is male or female. Meaning you can have 1 enemy unit fight several successive battles, or you can fight an enemy chain with your own. PSP version is worth looking into although it recently got a mobile port I haven't looked at.
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e3f51a No.16740692
>>16737173
>This Genre Needs a Name
This is not a genre, it's a game.
It's genre is Strategy. You can narrow down to Turn based Strategy, if you want. You can narrow it down further by saying it's a Turn based Strategy but with Real time combat. You can narrow it down even more by saying it's a Strategy game that plays like a Archon.
But there is no need to make an entire new genre just because this Strategy game has some quirks to it. Otherwise every single game would be it's own genre.
IF, it starts getting attention and many moregames like it, it may spawn a subgenre, like the "Tactics" that people are refferring to, that is nothing more than Turn based Strategy with RPG elements, just for convenience. But as it is, if you want a game that plays like it it's better to look for "a game that plays like Archon" than a "game in Archon's genre".
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ce8505 No.16740973
>>16738143
>rooks keep
looks fun, thanks for the suggestion.
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90e70c No.16741033
>>16737173
Ogre Battle Saga was basically made for this kind of thing. There is Chess Master, but it looks like shovelware for Bluemarts tbh.
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32b887 No.16741044
>>16737173
How do these games handle attacking piece advantage during the in-engine battles? Number tweaking? How do the chess segments affect the outcome of the battle segments?
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513d4b No.16741049
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Mortal Kombat Deception was fun
The place of the piece determined how much health it had
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17a9a8 No.16741053
I remember playing a demo of a game similar to this on the original xbox. You had a grassy plain that was the board, units moved across its tiles. When they reached an enemy unit, a real time battle event would take place, which involved fighting the unit on a new level that represented the two tiles they were on. I remember it had a bunch of fantasy units in it, even some kind of elemental giant (made of molten rock). I can not recall the name of it but it sounds very similar to Archon.
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664340 No.16741097
Sounds a bit like North & South or Lords of the Realm.
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31c39e No.16741238
The NES godzilla is kind of like this, also I remember Chess Kombat from one of the 3D mortal kombat games had this, it's like chess but your pieces would go into the fighting engine when attempting to take another piece and how much health you have remaining after each fight determines how much health your piece has for the next fight.
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6342d1 No.16741375
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That sounds similar to what Ring of Red is. They make these cold war mechs out to be peices of junk, so the battles only last for 90 seconds in-game time.
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a21365 No.16741386
>>16741375
>That sounds similar to what Ring of Red is
No it doesn't,it's the exact opposite.Ring of Red is turn based combat through and through,every other game brought up as an example iTT is a far better example of what OP describes and your post is either the sorriest excuse at an IP hopping trying to bump your own thread or the most retarded amifittinginyet attempt i've seen in a while.
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ce8505 No.16741434
>>16741386
>retard posts to call other anon a retard
OP asked for a turn-based game with a secondary battle minigame which RoR has. He didn't at any time specify it needed to be real-time.
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9bdd4d No.16741775
>>16741434
Look up the damn game jackass.
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cab114 No.16741787
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Original Xbox and PS2 game called Wrath unleashed.
Embedding a YouTube because phoneposting
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65b9ed No.16741800
Ever heard of tabletop/board games?
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aaeaf3 No.16741802
>>16741800
Wrong sort of thing. I see where you are coming from though
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3fdd41 No.16741812
>>16737173
If I remember correctly, SoulCalibur III has a mode that repeatedly switches between light RTS gameplay and the usual fighting game combat.
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9c8401 No.16741833
Battlefront II plays like that in the Galactic Conquest mode.
I think more games would benefit from meta game modes like this.
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b77867 No.16741916
>>16737173
>you'd physically fight using a different engine
>>16737198
>you can always opt to fight your opponent(s) in a soul calibur-esque engine.
>>16741044
>the in-engine battles
>>16741238
>your pieces would go into the fighting engine
Plz stop. That said, the game looks cool, OP, I like that style of game within strategy wrapper.
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581db4 No.16741919
Soul Calibur 3 had some strategy meta game mode.
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9d8e79 No.16741959
>>16741787
>Someone posted Wrath unleashed before me
Mah nigga. It had a really good soundtrack, and I loved the designs for most of the units. Lucasarts should've branched out more.
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bae78a No.16742018
Non-vidya example, but that's pretty much how Chess Fights work at Renaissance Faires.
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d9e4ba No.16742173
Overworlds. That's the term you're looking for OP. Or at least the term which is used for these overarching strategy segments.
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9b7d9e No.16742242
>>16737173
this could be pretty cool, Dissidia and Tactics (the only two FF games I like) fused together
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9b7d9e No.16742264
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also one game series that does exactly what OP is looking for is SMT Devil Survivor
you navigate a battlefield like FE or FFT, then do a Dragon Quest/SMT style battle when you fight your enemies
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684832 No.16742283
>>16742264
>exactly
Not really since it's RPG combat and you can't really pull off a "pawn" taking out a "rook" if that makes sense. That said, I liked Devil Survivor.
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9b7d9e No.16742295
>>16742283
The game still allows for it, but there's no multiplayer and the battles are always asymmetrical so the idea of pawns and rooks is obscured, but you're fighting things that are either much stronger or weaker than you most of the time, so I'd say it's probably the closest thing to what OP is looking for.
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6ef033 No.16742348
>>16742295
That's not really much different from Ogre Battle and some similar games, what OP wants is turn based tactics and a fighter mashup which only like 2 games exist for.
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06a15a No.16742466
>>16742348
> what OP wants is turn based tactics and a fighter mashup which only like 2 games exist for.
Not true, Archon in all it's incarnations uses a top-down combat system and OP already OK'd games like SD Gundam Gachapon Senshi which is similarly top-down (reminiscent of Blaster Master). It does however seem like the combination of strategy and fighting games is more common given this thread and a couple major fighting game franchises have tried their own hand at making strategy driven game modes.
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5a2066 No.16742498
Wasn't there some shitty old Godzilla atari game that was like that?
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4df5d3 No.16749070
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Aztez is another example since it's Civilization meets a beat-em-up.
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b82a1b No.16749075
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17055c No.16749489
Samurai Warriors 2 had a board game, if you can stand the Musou genre.
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