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9ede1d No.16725125
Remember when are Experimental weapons being added to World War 2 games for balancing reason to keep m1 Garands from being overpowered the most historically inaccurate thing about them? https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Type_5#Battlefield_1943
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Battlefield:_1943
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331a48 No.16725149
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f8ec71 No.16725182
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7e2b47 No.16725214
They should have balanced them by making the American default the M1903. That way both sides use a 5 shot bolt action and it's completely plausible.
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9ede1d No.16725235
>>16725214
>>16725214
>They should have balanced them by making the American default the M1903
That only happen in early days.
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d35df4 No.16725298
>muh eperimental shit
Having more variety in your generic shooter is great. experimental weapons arent the problem, nu battlefield being a shit game is the problem. that and muh balance, not everything needs to be balanced.
>1943
I think you should worry more about them charging 20$ for a console exclusive remake of 3 maps with 3 classes and shit gameplay
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760e7e No.16725315
I fail to see any serious issue in the case of 1943 unless you are seriously autistic about it given there was no unlocks in the game and they gave the japs a repeater for balance sake. I would have more problem with the K98K sniper rifles being used by the Japanese because they were to lazy to make a model for an Arisaka.
I didn't play anything past 4, but the WWI battlefield game clearly took it way over the fucking line, just about everything in the game is some highly experimental or small production variant in order to keep time to kill low so you can run around with auto loading rifles or machine pistols and act like it's MW2 or some shit.
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f02412 No.16725359
>>16725298
Well, experimental weapons are absolutely a problem if you don't have the classics in already. They're supposed to flesh out your set of weapons, not replace everything, especially in BF Vagoo's case, where 99% of the weapons are re-used models and animations from BF Uno
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45ab47 No.16725360
>m1 Garands
>overpowered
You mean at a time the germans had assault rifles and 20 rounds semi-autos?
And the soviet had 15 rounds semi-autos since fucking 1936 as their standard infantry rifle (Mosin-Nagants had been phased out of the infantry soviet completely by the time of Barbarossa, they re-started production as shit was hitting the fan and they needed stupid amounts of rifles).
The M1 being OP is fucking wartime propaganda. It was neither the first "semi-auto infantry rifle" (FFS the french had some in 1916!), nor the first adopted for WWII (as the soviet had hundreds of thousands of Tokarevs rifles when the US had a few hundreds of barely working Garands) and certainly not the best (it wasn't even the US best one. The Johnson rifle, the one the US didn't want, was the best, came with an inter-operable LMG considerably better than the BAR, could be fed with 1903 clips and had a proper 10 rounds that was very fast to load, and evolved into the AR-10).
Basically it wasn't anything special.
And it took them 20+ years to make it (when it took everyone else a couple of years to shit a decent design, even the fucking commies only took 6 years to get it right).
The only good gun the US made during WWII was…
The M1 CARBINE. Which is always ridiculously represented as under-powered (which the "greatest generation" always said, but then you have to remember they're all retards that fought for the wrong side) despite it hitting at 200 yards like a .357 revolver does at point blank range and beloved by everyone that had to shoot it in combat in both WWII and Korea (and vietnam for the french). It was super light (even by today standards it's still at a decent weight), the late versions had 25 rounds mags, it was accurate enough at ranges the infantry fights (and considerably more accurate/speed than a Garand, which is kind of the point of a semi-auto).
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d35df4 No.16725387
>>16725359
those games are shit so that doesnt count
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b2220e No.16725453
>>16725360
You're alright, anon. Great story there too.
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197686 No.16725484
>>16725360
It was "OP" because every grunt had one, which was more the American industrial base being OP than anything else. Germany was infamous for designing quality gear that they didn't have the infrastructure to produce. People take quotes like "the weapon that won the war" out of context.
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9ede1d No.16725538
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>>16725360
>>16725360
>You mean at a time the germans had assault rifles and 20 rounds semi-autos?
>>16725360
>The M1 being OP is fucking wartime propaganda
Friendly reminder SG44 would’ve been German standard issued rifle if it wasn’t for Hitler being retarded and costing Germany the war
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b2220e No.16725540
>>16725484
What are you doing fooling around? There were a hot 1 million more M1 Carbines made within the years of WWII than the entire production run of the Garand.
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b2220e No.16725556
>>16725538
Debatable, a shame Uncle Addy was so traditional and nice.
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1184be No.16725572
>>16725538
What gay video
>sturmgewehr means assault rifle
Strum means storm, gewehr means rifle. He fucked up within a minute.
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1184be No.16725579
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d35df4 No.16725598
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aa1a3d No.16725604
>>16725360
The M3 submachine gun was pretty good.
Not pretty to look at, but serviceable.
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89a929 No.16725609
>>16725598
You fail entirely.
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ea9dfd No.16725611
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>>16725125
To be way, it was an under budgeted XBLA game. Did pretty well with what they had.
>>16725360
Did you know that germans made a semi auto shotgun that's actually good? They were way ahead of their time, too bad the empire had to die.
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9ede1d No.16725641
>>16725556
>Debatable
Invading Russia during winter and starting a two front war was Adolf idea. Hitler general warned him against it.
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751df3 No.16725646
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More games need a ppsh-41.
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9ede1d No.16725647
>>16725583
>Garands are OP because most game studios are Americans
>DICE is an American studio
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760e7e No.16725679
>this thread
cringing hard
>>16725572
>Sturmgeschütz means stormgun
sure buddy
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760e7e No.16725703
>>16725646
one heck of a shotgun
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f4051f No.16725812
>>16725679
Storm and assault are synonyms you retard.
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f76e4f No.16725834
>>16725360
Think of it this way, the M1 Carbine was the answer to project Salvo, years before it was even started.
Yes the STG-44 was the first true modern assault rifle, but the M1 and later M2 Carbines were the first modern carbines. A mag fed, semi auto, chambered in what is in essence a supercharged pistol caliber, that dominated the 50-200 yard engagement range.
Also, the biggest issue with Garand was the shoehorning of 30-06. Had the gun been chambered in .276 Peterson like it was DESIGNED for, it would be a very different rifle. Just imagine a world where NATO actually adopted a 6mm round instead of the fuddtastic 7.62x51mm.
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eeb51d No.16725884
>>16725834
What's the problem with 7.62? FAL uses it.
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f8ec71 No.16725904
>>16725211
youre ""ironically"" ""pretending"" to be a faggot how epic XD
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fbd933 No.16725908
>>16725360
This is world of tanks tier bullshit. Read a fucking book or lurk /k/.
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f8ec71 No.16725931
>>16725572
im german.
Sturm can stand for assault.
you suck big collosal dick.
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f76e4f No.16725951
>>16725884
The one and only reason .30 caliber is seen in military rifles, is because a bunch of high ranking officers on the US Army Ordinance board were stuck in their ways. They shot a bunch of dead pigs with .30 caliber rifles and said that you can only get that sort of damage with a .30 caliber rifle round.
Go look up the typical projectile being used in long range shooting competitions. Go look up the numbers between 6.5 mm Creedmore and .308 winchester. .30 caliber rifle rounds are not that great in any metric. Its just had 70 fucking years of militaries world wide tinkering with it to get it to acceptable levels and to understand the kinks inherent to the round.
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9ede1d No.16726019
>>16725646
I never understood why the Soviet Union didn’t used shotguns in the eastern front. Pre-Soviet Russia had a long history of shotgun making.
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4f6f79 No.16726061
>>16725360
> The only good gun the US made during WWII was…
> The M1 CARBINE.
Wrong.
Browning .50 machine gun.
It's so good it's still used today.
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c87ffa No.16726292
>>16725641
He made the wrong choice but had tge right reasons. At that point, it was a race against time. If they were going to wait to invade, the war would have turned into a logistics game with Germany being at a total disadvantage. Knocking russia out as soon as possible was the only answer to what would have been a no-win situation in a drawn out defensive war; and considering Germany came within spitting distance of moscow before (sadly) running out of steam. If they had been able to push a little more the "invading russia in winter" meme wouldn't exist. Now, that doesn't mean Hitler didn't make his mistakes (stopping before absolutely crushing the British at Dunkirk), or that he is above criticism (the holocaust should have happened for real), but at least don't be disingenuous about it. Sage for off topic.
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487fe3 No.16726309
>>16725931
JAWOHL, HERR OBERSTURMFÜHRER!
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45ab47 No.16726341
>>16725484
>It was "OP" because every grunt had one
No it wasn't. M1 rifles were issued specifically to "Riflemen", which are an overwhelming minority in any army. Everybody else, Auto Riflemen (BAR), grenadier (1903, grenade launchers for the M1 only started to appear in December 1944), AT gunner, machine-gunner, radio operators, crewmen, sergeants, etc… had different guns. Usually a 1903, or a M1 Carbine, or a SMG.
Everyone that had to lug anything else than a rifle (which is basically half the people within a rifleman company) was issued a weapon that wasn't weighting the weight of modern day LMG…
And of course everybody not in a rifleman company usually didn't have any.
>>16725884
The ballistic sweet spot for spitzer-shaped bullets is between 6mm and 7mm (because physics). The nip and the Italians, actually had the right idea with 6.5 Carcano/Arisaka and the swede got it right with Swedish 6.5x55mm (which has a more powder and better quality one, thus more velocity allowing it to make the best of the good ballistic profile of the round unlike the carcano/arisaka). .276 Pedersen, or .280 British are 7mm.
Today "best cartridge" (ballistically) is probably 6.5x47mm.
The problem was that despite the Germans (well not just them, the soviets too with SMGs 7.62TT, the US too with M1 carbine) demonstrating that bullets in infantry rifles were still considerably overpowered (and counterproductive) for the job, but the US brasshats kept pushing for "performance similar to 30.06" despite the motive for changing the ammo being that "30.06 performance" was stupid.
That's how NATO was stuck with 7.62 despite every weapon engineer knowing that it was a very poor round.
>>16725908
Go ahead make a topic about the "great M1 Garand" on /k/ and see what happens.
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9ede1d No.16726359
>>16726341
>Go ahead make a topic about the "great M1 Garand" on /k/ and see what happens
/k/ excited for the new call of duty and thinks Saddam was a good general.
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45ab47 No.16726403
>>16726061
The Browning M2 as the fucking name of motherfucking John fucking Moses swag Browning implies is a WWI design you dipshit and a straight upscaled variant of the water-cooled M1917.
It's like if tomorrow you make a 1911 in the caliber du jour (.50 GI for example), are you're gonna say it's a 2020 cyberpunk gun design?
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9cc833 No.16727744
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>>16725646
I will always associate this gun with World at War. What a fucking good game.
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f3f723 No.16727776
>>16727744
Loved World at War, I have yet to find a double barrel with such great animations as in that game.
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5ac7e5 No.16727789
>>16725641
Barbarossa was in June you mouthbreather
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5ac7e5 No.16727797
>>16726403
>>16726403
He said made, not designed you fucking retard
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d5ba72 No.16727914
>>16725834
>>16725951
>>16726341
>The ballistic sweet spot for spitzer-shaped bullets is between 6mm and 7mm (because physics).
Why? 6.5 creedmor is longer than .308 winchester. Higher caliber rounds retain more velocity than lower caliber rounds.
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2bf412 No.16727963
>>16725572
>this again
Sturmgewehr does literally translate to 'storm rifle', but the sturm in sturmgewehr refers to the act of storming, not the weather - and another word for the act of storming is to assault something, hence assault rifle. Storm rifle/storming rifle is a million times cooler than assault rifle, yes, but it's the simplified translation we got to more easily explain to people what it was.
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b2220e No.16729090
>>16726341
Automatics are not good for a rolling army even now. It's such a suck hole in the shit, ask any quartermaster. All while it's still a game of attrition. At best, they should be slapped on a bird.
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66ccbe No.16729408
>>16725125
Apparently some AK prototypes were used during the battle of Berlin, feels odd though
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6ad168 No.16729422
>>16727744
Can we have a gamenight on World at War?
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b2220e No.16729432
>>16729408
Why would that feel odd? WWII was a theft war of German ingenuity. Other nations simply had more capacity to jack about reverse engineering and production.
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66ccbe No.16729451
>>16729432
What does that have to do with AKs?
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9e2a3e No.16729456
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57d387 No.16729468
Words the arrangement are speaker the English of not.
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6cc871 No.16729479
>>16725360
>this entire post
ok retard
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57d387 No.16729491
>>16725360
>talks a lot of shit
>doesn't even mention the Lee-Enfield
fuking LARPer
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b2220e No.16729504
>>16729451
The entire world saw what Germany was in a crystal clear absolute age of their own. Despicable and envious creatures crawled out of the woodwork from every direction. It's unfortunate anyone survived. Such an inspiring people put to the gun of those without. It was a brief glimpse of how life could be for a nation. The majority of you are implicit in these matters. A great sin against the old and new gods. A bad bit your elders thought was just a bit of politicking. A grand misdeed to all observing.
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b2220e No.16729513
>>16729479
How about you post a proper skypig?
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66ccbe No.16729514
>>16729504
What does that have to do with AKs?
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b2220e No.16729521
>>16729514
I'm not sure what it has to do with your learning deficiency, son. Take that up with your family.
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a84a71 No.16729528
>>16725538
>Muh ingombedent hidler
Germany never had a realistic chance of winning, believing anything else is fucking Lindybeige-tier.
Get out Wehraboo.
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66ccbe No.16729531
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9a1cf6 No.16729536
>>16729513
The A-10 firing is the sound of God's own braps
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b2220e No.16729537
>>16729528
Oh, but it did. A load of vice came upon Germany. You and yours helped snuff out a modern renaissance. You will always be implicit and responsible for the modern course of history.
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f1ffaf No.16729539
>>16725360
Is this some fresh pasta because god damn I'm gonna take a bite out of it.
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57d387 No.16729540
>>16725538
>Hitler being retarded and costing Germany the war
Yeah it totally had nothing to do with the Eternal Anglo Americans backing up the wrong side: the Eternal Anglos and the fucking hatemonger Winston Churchill.
You do realize without US backing of the "Allies" that most of Europe, including England, would be speaking German right now right?
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6cc871 No.16729546
>>16729513
is this proper enough? :^)
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b2220e No.16729550
>>16729539
Incorrect, as usual in your sad life. It's precious history of firearms.
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57d387 No.16729560
>>16729550
you didn't even mention the tactical ping… it's almost like you know jack shit about the M1 Garand and how it was actually used
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b2220e No.16729580
>>16729531
The AK platform, much like everything is a bootleg of German sweetness. I'm not a walking encyclopedia, you have the entirety of the internet at your disposal. It would seem you prefer the safety of being ignorant. If you can't get through that pain, I doubt your capability as a member of society, and more importantly, as an anon.
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b2220e No.16729614
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9f183c No.16729621
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57d387 No.16729637
>>16729614
it's true, though. it was a legit tactic that was actually used.
imagine being a communist cuck and hearing the ping thinking "da iz gud time to zerg" then getting mowed down by "inferior" weapons because the users were smarter than you…
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2a2a8c No.16729649
As somebody who never liked the old CoD and Battlefield games, can somebody tell me the appeal?
I'm not some 45-year-old nostalgiafag, I was born in '97. I was growing up when these games were popular and I didn't like them then either.
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b2220e No.16729653
>>16729637
Holy Trash in Hell. I can't believe you've gagged on such a pile of bullshit. Are you baiting or really this stupid? I gave you, just now, a simple exit.
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a84a71 No.16729654
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9faab6 No.16729659
>>16729637
how do you produce the 'ping' without actually running out of ammo? Genuinely curious.
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b2220e No.16729669
Would you care to fall for more exceptions to the rule, and allow that to be your guiding state? Look how that's done for absolutely everything.
>>16729659
There's some apocryphal bullshit about luring via empties while another meatbag is full and on point.
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57d387 No.16729673
>>16729653
>being this mad over true war stories
get over yourself fuckstick
>>16729659
you save an empty one and throw on the ground. have you never read any books on the battles of WW2?
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b2220e No.16729686
>>16729673
Nice bait. That may fly with the /k/ pushovers but you're in an odd place.
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9faab6 No.16729695
>>16729673
Okay makes sense, I was confused thinking there was some trick to make the noise while full.
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f1ffaf No.16729703
>>16729550
I'm gonna listen to a noguns, yeah no. Simonov auto rifle got scrapped due to it being a literal piece of shit that was uncontrollable with the funswitch on and a jamming piece of shit in all other scenarios, its more compatible to a BAR than a Garand which debuted the same year. Tokerevs rifle also was a finicky piece of shit given the gas system rattled loose whenever it so chose to do so, when mounted with a scope it'd lose zero worse than most commercial M1a's do, in the span of time it took one to go out of the factory something like five to ten Mosins could be made in that time and the leftovers from Lenins and Stalins happy fun time were too stupid to maintain the rifle on a regular basis, fouled gas systems aren't good for that rifle. Dirt in the action is something I'm not going to take points from the Tokerev due to the Garand having the same problem.
>>16729637
Not really, with tons of guns going off you can't hear the ping very well from either end.
>>16729659
If you drop an empty clip on something hard it'll make a ping.
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b2220e No.16729712
>>16729695
Throw another brick you worthless braindead nofunz faggot. A ping is nothing more than the mother of surrender. The ping was meant for braindead meat to know when they were empty. Put enough of that retard with a retard and you get this retard state of affairs.
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987e02 No.16729791
>>16725641
Russia was already mobilizing in Eastern Europe and was making demands against Hitler - they wanted to annex the remainder of Finland, they wanted to annex Romania, and they wanted control over Bulgaria. Hitler was not willing to betray the Romanians, nor to abandon the Finns, nor to throw the Bulgarians under the bus, so he knew war was inevitable, and he could either strike first and get a bit of a surprise advantage or he could wait until Russia was good and ready and lose that advantage. But war was coming, and the longer Germany waited the worse off they would be.
Of course, Hitler had a third option, which was to agree to the Communist demands and let them do whatever they wanted in the east. Maybe it would have been the right call. I would have done it, personally. But Hitler was a more principled man, and that ended up being his downfall.
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b2220e No.16729798
>>16729791
He's up there with Buford Pusser, so tight, with me.
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b2220e No.16729832
Can you really call it a downfall? It is a long game inspiration for the rest of the modern world. Who not to trust and excise extreme surgical pushes. So many melons ripe for a hot new show.
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d35df4 No.16729922
>/k/ringemandos ruin yet another thread
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b2220e No.16730054
>>16729922
>ruin
I suppume you had nothing to offer but your abject depression with everything in general. Present /k/ posters pretend to be apolitical but have a cancerous left leaning gait about them. The majority of them have never killed a man in self defense or in an official duel.
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2a2a8c No.16730074
>>16730054
>but have a cancerous left leaning gait about them.
Have you ever been to /k/?
> The majority of them have never killed a man in self defense or in an official duel.
Do you live in Somalia or something?
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029aca No.16730259
>>16725908
>>16729479
Wow you sure showed him a thing or two. Something tells me the commie insults bothered you.
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d35df4 No.16730320
>>16730054
> Present /k/ posters pretend to be apolitical but have a cancerous left leaning gait about them
thats cuck /k/ tho, 8/k/ is natsoc
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66ccbe No.16730566
>>16729580
>The AK platform, much like everything is a bootleg of German sweetness
Wasn't that a meme? and couldn't you write that before instead of writing seemingly completely unrelated stuff.
In any case the reason i said it feels odd is that the AK is always shown in the context of the cold war or modern islamic terrorism so an AK in a ww2 game would feel rather anachronistic.
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684940 No.16730649
The best way to handle "experimental" weapons is making them very restricted. Only a few people on the team should be using them. I don't really have an issue with having a few though, some are pretty neat.
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f1ffaf No.16730710
>>16730566
It is. The AK gets a lot from everywhere. Its stamping construction, more the viability of it came from Schmeisser himself, its action is basically a M1 Garand upside down. SKS's were tested in and around Berlin if not a tad bit earlier.
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24811f No.16736541
>>16725125
>most overpowered gun of ww2
>not ppsh
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4ef41b No.16736558
>>16725834
>Yes the STG-44 was the first true modern assault rifle
'assault rifles' are fraud. They came in under implication that they would allow full auto capability lacking in rifles. Too bad assault rifles never delivered. Yes they have fun switch but like in battle rifles it only noise and waste of bullets. All tests done STG-44. AK, M16 all showed that semi-auto is more effective.
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4c479f No.16736569
>>16736541
why slavs always think that someone cares about them? there's a reason all soldiers didn't carry subs effective range you fucking retard
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720ac3 No.16736594
>>16736558
Full auto was mostly used for burst firing which was much more effective than single round semi auto. Nobody was dumb enough to just spray and pray, even back then.
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24811f No.16736597
>>16736569
ppsh had effective range of 200 meters (what covers 90% of personnal weapon kills as usa range stats studies in ww2 and latter discovered).
Also effective range is a bit tricky to define. For soviets set its definition n as range where prone shooter can hit full standing target with single shot or burst with hit probability off 25% or higher . For example at 300 meters ppsh doesn't have such probability but due to volume of fire it scores more hits per minute than bolt rifle. So paradox: it is outside its 'effective range' but still outshots bolt rifle, weapon that is supposedly 'long range gun'.
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24811f No.16736606
>>16736594
fake and gay even for little 5.56. For 7.62 sturmgevers its utter waste of ammo.
'assault rifles' largest perk is the marketing lie.
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720ac3 No.16736662
>>16736606
Accuracy doesn't increase, volume of fire does. Accuracy isn't everything.
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6e0cad No.16736665
>>16725360
>being this wehraboo
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4ef41b No.16736759
>>16736662
>can't read diagrams
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127b83 No.16736763
>>16725211
>>16726059
le fuck off
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f8ec71 No.16736775
>>16726059
fuck off faggot, the way you wrote that post betrays your heritage as a redditor
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996fc2 No.16736781
>>16736665
You will never fit in.
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d35df4 No.16736789
What are some underrepresented guns that should feature more in games?
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da5b4e No.16736800
>>16736789
>shoot gun
>hit enemy less than half of the time
>own soldiers go blind
Would fit well in an xcom-like game.
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68bd4d No.16736834
>>16736789
Revolvers that allow you to manually switch between Double-Action and Single-Action.
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32cb31 No.16736860
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71c9e3 No.16736875
>>16736789
Wow it's even worse than the OICW.
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d35df4 No.16736921
>>16736834
What are the advantages/disadvantages of DA vs SA?
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68bd4d No.16736973
>>16736921
When you pull the trigger on a DA revolver, you're also cocking the hammer back, thus causing the trigger pull to be heavier, which for new shooters will cause your shots to be less accurate. SA is where you manually cock the hammer which causes the trigger to go back as well and become substantially lighter, allowing for more accurate shots.
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683de5 No.16737011
>>16736973
I don't see it being practical in a game, though.
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d35df4 No.16737017
>>16737011
you could just make it faster fire rate for less accuracy and slower fire rate for better accuracy
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68bd4d No.16737033
>>16737011
>DA makes it so you fire faster at the cost of lower accuracy
<SA makes it so you fire more accurately at the cost of fire rate
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2edc7c No.16737066
>>16737033
>>16737017
Isn't "fanning the hammer" something you can do for a SA revolver to make up for that loss in speed?
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127b83 No.16737072
>>16736775
I'm pretty sure >>16736825 is retarded, so don't sweat it if he keeps spouting this shit.
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9e6d71 No.16737110
>>16737033
anyone who has ever fired a gun will tell you that the disadvantage of DA fire is negligible, and it's more important as a safety device in automatics and a convenience in relolvers rather than it impacting accuracy very much.
some games do reflect the speed of fire change though and have le ebin magnum type weapon have a slight delay before firing, to reflect the heavy trigger pull.
>>16737066
Perfect Dark Zero did this. if you pulled the trigger normally Joanna would fire it by cocking the hammer with her thumb, then firing. if you mashed it the animation would change and she'd fan it like a mad cunt. because accuracy in that game naturally follows how fast you fire, it kept it balanced (sorta)
>>16730566
yeah it is absolutely incorrect. the AK shares nothing in common with the StG other than being a gas-operated automatic rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, and there were already gas-operated semi-automatic rifles. there is no parts commonality, the bolts back then were relatively simple and mostly all alike anyway, even the overall shape of the thing and how little stuff like safeties and sight adjustments are all different between the wheraboo gun and the gangster heater
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9e6d71 No.16737115
>>16725538
> Friendly reminder SG44 would’ve been German standard issued rifle if it wasn’t for Hitler being retarded and costing Germany the war
actually germany literally running out of materials to make steel is what prevented a lot of ~wonder weapons~ from hitting the front in massive numbers
guns don't win wars, economy does
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7e2b47 No.16737168
>>16736789
S&W M&P. Best selling handgun in the US but in virtually nothing.
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150112 No.16737189
>>16736789
>>16736875
>SPIW
>OICW
small time
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4dea4c No.16737211
>>16736789
>gun failed because of xcom tier chances to hit
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72a6d0 No.16737240
>>16725641
Hitler's most important oil infrastructure was literally on the Soviet's doorstep. The ceasefire between Adolf and Stalin was only ever going to end with a war.
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2171ad No.16739162
>>16729654
Are you high? Explain why they possibly couldn't have won, because from what I know, Germany had a fuel problem and needed to secure baku in stalingrad for that oil.
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2171ad No.16739189
>>16737110
Isn't the AK closer to the Garand, operationally speaking?
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d35df4 No.16739489
>>16739162
>Explain why they possibly couldn't have won
Lend-lease, every allied power except america had little to no resources, especially russia. Without the resources from the US the war would have been over much sooner and in a german victory
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0ee2d3 No.16739602
>>16729791
>Russia was already mobilizing in Eastern Europe and was making demands against Hitler
peak wehraboo
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d35df4 No.16739624
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2171ad No.16739671
>>16739602
Not an argument
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43627e No.16739682
>>16739602
You need the gas.
>The demands which Molotov stated were shockers. Russia wanted another stab at Finland – she intended to occupy and annex the whole country, which had, after all, been assigned her by the 1939 pact which he had signed with Ribbentrop in Moscow. Hitler, however, needed Finland’s nickel and timber supplies. When Molotov announced Russia’s intention of inviting Bulgaria to sign a non-aggression pact which would permit the establishment of a Soviet base near the Dardanelles, Hitler ironically inquired whether Bulgaria had asked for such assistance;
>…
>Ribbentrop invited Molotov to the concrete shelter at his home; here the Soviet foreign minister revealed that Moscow could never entirely forgo an interest in the western approaches to the Baltic either – the Kattegat and Skagerrak.
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5e1dbb No.16739726
>>16736789
Also more improvised munitions, incendiary weapons (like the M202 FLASH or the TOS-1), more weird ass weapons like the Steyr ACR or Korobovs experimental guns.
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d35df4 No.16741397
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d6465a No.16741432
>>16741397
has the StG-44 in that photo been used much? I'm wondering why the spring is so straight compared to the bent-out-of-shape Russian models, presumably bent due to use.
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72dbfd No.16741482
>>16739189
Short answer.
Yes.
Long answer.
The Garand and AK are both long stroke gas piston rotating bolt guns, meanwhile the STG while also a long stroke gas piston instead has a tilting bolt
>>16741397
Disregard this dumbfuck.
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d35df4 No.16741778
>>16741482
>slavboo rewritting the history of the AK again
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6d747b No.16742075
>>16729703
It took the commies 2 years to realize that full-auto full-sized caliber on a relatively light rifle was a bad idea.
The US meanwhile made the BAR WORSE than it's WWI version and went on to develop the M14 (with the EXACT same problems as the AVS-36) that was used in the US military from 1954 to… today! Instead of adopting the FAL (that works suspiciously like a SVT).
Early SVT had ergonomic issues which were addressed before the war.
Early Garand straight up didn't work… after four year in service! They had to recall ALL of them.
Current SVT are all rifles that actually did WWII on the eastern front no less and are all in terrible shape and all were war produced (with everything it implies quality wise) which account for most of the failures stories, there are very little in historical accounts (except the early 36 and 38 models). Soviet liked them, Germans like their captured ones so much their G43 which isn't as much of an upgrade on the G41 than a German-made SVT (and it's the German parts that still sucks on that one). Hell the Swiss actually considered adopting it! That's how solid the design is.
So yeah the US military when it comes to weaponry (going back to the 1800's) has TERRIBLE tastes and good designs are only adopted by mistake (or after considerably long re-designs to finally make 50% of the advertised features) to the point that even the fucking commies somehow appear to have their shit together better.
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aa1a3d No.16742160
>>16742075
The difference between German, American, and Soviet rifles is that the Russian weapons were on par with Ork shootas from 40k in that they were made from slapped together parts that somehow managed to work by some socialist miracle. So when the Germans tried to make their version using parts fit for soldiers with an above fifth grade education, of course they didn’t work as well. It’s like taking a Mesopotamian pulley system and trying to make a modern industrial crane out of it, or making a modern rifle based off of a medieval French crossbow.
As for the Americans, the phrase “nothing good was ever designed by a committee” comes to mind. If you’ve seen the movie “The Pentagon Wars” you’ll have an understanding of what goes into the design process of American weapons. Originally, the Garand was meant to be chambered in a much smaller round, but the Brass demanded 30-06 so they didn’t have to buy new ammunition and could keep using the stock of 1906 Springfield ammo. The most famous anecdote of this process is the General who, after having had a flamethrower demonstrated to him, famously asked where the bayonet went on it.
In short, Russians design everything with their own Waagh energy, Germans try to make everything a clock, and Americans design everything ass backwards by committee because they want to have the maximum bidding from (((defense contractors))) to build the damned things.
Also, stop slobbering on the Soviet cock, you’re embarrassing yourself.
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72dbfd No.16742981
>>16741778
>Talking out of your ass.
>Get's proven wrong.
>Y-you're a slavaboo.
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b8556d No.16743113
>>16742981
This thread is full of shills, goons, or some other flavour of dedicated retard. Pay no attention and move on.
sage for offtopic.
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f1ffaf No.16743194
>>16742075
Early Garands weren't recalled for the most part. Armorers got upgrade kits for them and updated them when they could much like the Carbines to the T2 standard in later 44, many of the gas trap guns that survived the war and weren't updated were scrapped. You're probably thinking of 1903's under 1,000,000 being recalled due to them being grenades.
>early 36
That would have been a Simonov.
>Soviet liked them
Considering they found them too complicated to maintain, to build and having Ishevsk switching back to Mosins I don't think so. Not to mention Snipers didn't like the fact the gun lost zero.
>G43
More like the Heer got its head out of its ass about gas ports. Besides those guns have real bad breakage problems due to the system having zero adjustment.
>Swiss
They build a lot of neat things up in their mountains, many of which are arsenal projects to take up time and further research along. They adopted a roller locked gun later on.
>It took the commies 2 years to realize that full-auto full-sized caliber on a relatively light rifle was a bad idea.
They certainly didn't fucking learn their lesson i.e. the AVT.
A note on FAL's and FN-49's they can be hilariously inaccurate due to the wonders of tiling bolts and really loose tolerances.
>>16742160
Chesty Puller came from an age where bayoneting someone was common place.
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d35df4 No.16743890
>>16742981
Yikes…
>>16743113
Nice IP hop faggot
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9e5b3a No.16743893
>>16739602
Fuck off, gay yid.
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