/v/ - Video Games

Xenogears already has multiple spiritual successors you greedy fuck.

>>16615541

He's using it as an example you mong.

>>16615529

Pretty that already got one twice over. And it wasn't because the developers didn't give a fuck, but rather that they couldn't take Xenogears with them when they left Square.

>>16615541

Xenosaga is the only good one. People keep lying when they say the Blade games are actually any good.

I don't want anymore spiritual successors to Xenogears. I want the actual sequels and prequels that were meant to be created before shit hit the fan.

>>16615583

Xenosaga is pretty much chapter 1 of Xenogears according to XG Perfect Works, just with the serial number filed off. Hell, most of the serial numbers are still there

>>16615601

has too many already

>>16615721

Name one Metrovania game that is even remotely as good as SM. Seriously, indie shit has nothing going on, any AAA game is shit. The closest is perhaps Hollow Knight

>>16615582

Xenoblade 2 is literally just Xenogears, but remixed, depression mostly replaced with optimism, and robots mostly replaced with waifus.

>>16615757

the topic of this thread is spiritual successors, not necessarily worthy ones

>>16615789

How is Hollow Knight not a spiritual successor?

as much as i'd like a spiritual successor or sequel to darkstalkers it'll probably get fucked up

Classic Starfox. Someone just needs to make a good one. No thrills. No bullshit. Furries optional.

>>16615808

Now that you mention it there is nothing even close to the original concept of Darkstalkers, I mean, what kind of characters you would like to see in a similar fighting game?

>>16615822

A game about monsters fighting? Lots of cool stuff you can do with that. Maybe a grey alien.

>>16615825

Maybe deities could be a close second, something like Smite but fighting game instead.

>>16615822

personally for darkstalkers-like fighting game i could think of a few characters that might work, a siren or a minotaur maybe, or that slit mouthed woman. If were going with shock value i guess something like the ring as a fighting game character.

>>16615807

rather, you indirectly implied that the various entries in the metroidvania subgenre of platformers were somehow not

>>16615837

I think Darkstalkers worked better thanks to it being more cartoonish.

>>16615837

I feel like something like the Ring girl was already in Mortal Kombat or Killer Instinct.

>>16615851

i think a character based off her appeared in some obscure fighting game

>>16615847

which is why if they do make another darkstalkers game i hope to god they don't go the calarts route and make it look like generic shit.

>>16615862

They would go the SFV-MCI route, which is not better on itself.

>>16615529

>xenogears

you fags already have xenosaga as a spiritual successor to your shitty eva fanfic

not enough crucified stuffed animals or what?

>>16615870

Never played those, so they are basically Evangelion reskinned?

>>16615529

>What games do you want to see get spiritual successors because the developers don't give a fuck about them anymore?

What kind of question is that OP? One of the major problems in the industry is that they keep creating shambling corpses of our favorite IPs because the devs who work on them don't give a fuck.

>>16615870

>Eva started airing July 1997

>Xenogears started life as a pitch for FF7, which came out at the ass end of 1997

>Xenogears released a few months later

I know Xenogears is unfinished but I don't think they managed to make the game in half a year.

>>16615882

They touch on similar themes, but while Eva is psychological/sociological stuff with religion as window dressing, Xenogears basically takes the opposite approach.

>>16615867

well then the only way it would get even worse would be if they reduced morrigans breast size despite her being a succubus with no explanation, not making any unique models for demitris midnight bliss, removing jon talbain, and hiring yoshinori ono as director.

>>16615890

Sounds like 99% chances Capcom would go that route on fighting games plus forcing eSports.

>>16615882

while there is theme overlap, Xenogears is about gnostic mythology while Evangelion is about the psychology of young people forced to fight monsters

>>16615923

You want a card game?

>>16615887

a giant alien crashes to the planet in ancient times, and it takes a god-like role. from itself it sprouts humanity.

many people who know the secret of the alien-god wish to reunite humanity with it in order to be "whole" again.

a shy boy from a sheltered life, with an absent father and very significant skill in music/painting, learns that he is the ideal pilot for a giant robot that is somehow more significant than all other giant robots and destined to "kill god". unfortunately for him, this shy boy hates violence and despises himself for damage he causes and the harm others receive from his fighting. when pushed into a state of desperation in his robot, a berserk murderous rage is brought out without his knowledge or memory.

while becoming a proficient pilot of the giant robot, he encounters are girl who has an elite level of skill, and who happens to have a deep connection to him that goes back before either of their lives ever began, stemming from the boy's mother (Abel's, not Fei's, mother in XG's case) and she also bears an important connection to the god-alien as well.

eventually the plan is fulfilled and the god-alien is re-awakened and it takes in all the life it sprung from itself to exist at part of a giant one-ness again. the hero enters this state of being while retaining his consciousness, and confronts the massive culmination of existence, and sees fit to preserve the individuality of all beings rather than to safely combine as one mass with no more self. he, as well as the girl he loves, rises from the god-alien in his super-robot. as a result, humanity is given a chance to exist once more as individual beings with their own fates and choices.

>i-it's just a coincidence!

yeah right

>>16615924

I would not be surprised if Anno and Takahashi read the same books and came up with a completely different conclusion. Both of them seem to like redheads too, although I'm not so sure in Anno's case.

>>16615933

Wasn't XG's ending kind of rushed and left too much content out?

>>16615934

I wish Anno stopped that "holier than thou" attitude that makes him throw a tantrum every time someone likes his stuff "for the wrong reasons" and then proceeds to make a sequel with elements added specifically to spite the fans.

>>16615942

Honestly I'd do the same shit.

>>16615933

I've never even watched Eva or played Xenogears, and that's all predictable as fuck my dude.

>>16615957

Basically an active pause game with cards, something like Stealth Inc and Transistor combined.

>>16615957

In what way is Xenoblade 2 shitty? At least in ways that Xenogears isn't, as I mentioned before they're fundamentally built from the same concepts. I know in exactly which ways Xenoblade X is shitty, don't you worry.

>>16615529

>spiritual successor

No such fucking thing.

There's just some faggot with an interpretation of what it should be and they typically fail miserably even at that fundamental point.

>>16615942

>Wasn't XG's ending kind of rushed and left too much content out?

not exactly; most of the intended disc 2, 3, and 4's content was rushed thanks to the higher-ups diverting funds for FF8, and had to be presented as a narration of events with intervening combats and occasional railroading into dungeons in the first half of disc 2. Fortunately they at least managed to tell the story they wanted to

the endgame itself was actually well presented and quite complete on its own with nearly all dangling plot threads resolved save for the intended recruitment of Kahran Ramsus into your party

>>16615955

Anno is an author who made anime, then hated otaku and then made more anime to tell otakus to stop watching anime, how can someone be so dense? or better yet? why didn't he just retire?

>>16615975

You're acting like you don't fucking hate people who enjoy the same things you do, but doing it wrong. You're on /v/, that should be some small part of you by now if you're not one of the newest of newfags.

>>16615975

now that he's had 20+ years of therapy, I'd love it if he got back to Gunbuster 3

>>16615981

Well, there is melee to vidya.

>>16615992

Conspiracy says that he made Rebuild 3.0 the way it is because he was desperate to tell otaku to stop liking Evangelion for the fanservice and stop watching anime for escapism, I could suspect he is just getting old and worried about having no one to take care of him when he is 70 or something.

>>16616251

Less violence doesn't meant SJW. More like "American version".

Lufia. Because Neverland died and Square Enix still owns Taito.

>>16616318

>>16616291

I'm smelling cuckchanners here.

SJW are anti both sex and violence.

SJW are pro-censorship.

>>16616364

>wants to spew buzzwords nonstop when they don't even fit

>calls other people 4chong

>>16616371

Only cuckchanners ask how a censored cover is "SJW".

Can't hide from me.

>>16616013

God Hand's problem is that a standard controller is too simple for how advanced/retarded the controls are.

>>16616386

boxart had regional differnces long before 'SJWs' existed. the 'SJW' version is the euro cover, as you can clearly tell by the pegi rating.

>>16616398

>>16616434

The fact it's censored means it's SJW, in this moment it means the corporation/government involved is SJW.

How do you make a spiritual successor without being too close to the original game you are taking inspiration from? You know so you dont get sued or constantly called a clone

>>16616549

simple, take a few or some gameplay/plot elements but deviate from the source material for other elements

>>16616364

SJWs never had a problem with violence unless it affected women and minorities.

>>16615721

Nope, Nintendo has been shitting on the legacy of Super Metroid for over 15 years.

>OP makes a thread about spiritual successors

>it immediately dissolves into a shitflinging contest about muh boxart

>>16616590

>MMO tier combat

>pretty good

>>16616598

Better than turn based anything ever.

>>16616634

Because it's a bad system that was only used because of hardware limitations, just like tank controls.

>>16616639

Not necessarily.

You can have some excellent gameplay with it, the problem is lies with the shitty and bland implementation, especially with something like FF.

>>16615529

>wanting any modern company to ruin even more well liked games by making shitty (((spiritual successors))) as cash grabs

Let me guess: you are one of those retards that still pays for products to "muh support the greedy devs", right?

If you like a game so much, play it over and over again, instead of carving for guaranteed shitty successors.

>>16616645

Recommend me a game with actual good turn based combat that could never work in real time.

>>16616656

>>16616656

>actual good turn based combat

That's a bigger oxymoron than "black people".

F ZERO

>>16616656

Sorta kinda Divinity OS2 if you play with full squad and some summons.

Playing with single character not so much.

>>16616617

>gameplay where the game auto plays for you.

>you have barely any input besides using skills on a cooldown

>better than actually playing the video game.

You just have shit taste.

>>16616656

Shin Megami Tensei

>>16616771

You're full of shit.

>>16616656

Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter. Controlling 3 people in real time, positioning and setting up traps and combos, I don't know how you'd plan to make that work in real time.

>>16616392

>having any issue with the controls

>not switching your left thumb to the right stick once you're up close

Dob jeb

>>16615601

>What are ALL Metroidvanias

Also, go play AM2R, Hyper Metroid and Metroid Rogue Dawn, you nigger.

>>16616013

Who even owns the rights to this on the offchance someone wanted to make a remake or sequel? Capcom? Didn't the devs go on to become Platinum

>>16616990

Capcom. Clover also made Okami which has been ported to everything, so Capcom just won't touch it. Let it sleep, it's already perfect and can be easily emulated.

>>16616790

>>16616892

Is good, I specially like Nocturne. Good party preparation plus knowing when to change characters and exploit weaknesses while covering yours is great.

To add to that, games like Final Fantasy Tactics and Tactics Ogre, Disgaea and such has very interesting combat system that make use of the fact that they are turn based. You could add things like FF X, which has very strong turn manipulation mechanics. There are actually quite a lot of good turn based games. Basically almost every game that makes you play as a party, if it is turn based, allows you for more fine tune control of the party, which must be sacrificed to different degrees on real time combat. Example, Xenoblade Chronicles Saga, FF XII, XIII and XV (although the gambit system is quite an elegant solution).

>>16616802

This actually too.

>>16616978

Or you could play some actual good Super Metroid hacks, like Legacy and Redesign, instead of that trash.

>>16616589

>someone besides me mentions nanosaur on /v/

You sir have excellent taste.

>>16617264

People have mentioned nanosaur on this site for years.

>>16616487

I'll admit there's a few retarded scenes early in the game. But Xenogears has the fucking orphans launching a mech, the "man of the sea" walrus guy, and every single time Chuchu shows up. I guess it also depends what kind of filler you prefer, as both Xenogears and Xenoblade 2 have some pretty significant filler.

>>16616590

I would not call Xenoblade X pretty good without an essay describing what the fuck the game's problem is.

>>16616768

>gameplay where the game auto plays for you.

Auto-attacks don't really do jack shit most of the time, depending on the game and the build. Xenoblade 2 actually has some tech you can do with auto-attacks at least.

>you have barely any input besides using skills on a cooldown

Again, depends on the game. Xenoblade X has Overdrive being so broken that you can use it infinitely, multiple levels of cooldown, combos, and other minutia. Xenoblade 2 has canceling, the interactions between Driver and Blade combos, and shit the game straight up does not tell you like Just Range.

>better than actually playing the video game.

It sounds like you only played the first Xenoblade, which is honestly kinda bad gameplay wise, you can't do much interesting. Or maybe you played Final Fantasy 12 and missed out on the point of the gambit system (I've never played FF12 and even I know what the deal is there). Or you just really don't like MMO's, I wouldn't know, I've never played any.

>>16616599

nice job

>>16616656

underrail

>>16617320

I'm an oldfag for pointing out history now? Do older people make you feel bad? We all die eventually, no need to get butthurt.

>>16617376

I'm not sorry for existing.

>>16617293

It was me anon, all of it was me.

In all seriousness it was mostly nanosaur 2 being mentioned not one

>>16617316

Please learn how to read before coming in with your inane bootlicking for shitty games.

>>16617384

Be a nigger anywhere else. Not only do you not know how the game is played, you tuck yourself into your ignorance.

>>16617434

The sequel is bullshittingly hard and playable in mame.

>>16617404

>xenogears

>trash

wew didnt know they let the retards have internet access in the special school

>>16617415

>Despite defending it this entire thread, I can see why people would prefer Xenogears to Xenoblade 2.

The difference between Xenogears and the other Xeno games is that they have shit-tier story and characters; the writers really went too much anime-dweeb-shit with those games. And since the gameplay is only slightly better than xg, those games suck nigger balls.

>>16616639

>>16616656

>that could never work in real time

Most turn-based strategy games then? The whole point of the genre is that a turn-based format allows for a level of detail that would be impractical in real-time. Are you really going to stare at the death of the RTS genre, which died because the casual player doesn't particularly like having to do extensive multi-tasking and then claim there's not market for strategy games in a turn-based format (a genre which is still doing better than RTSs)?

>>16617462

>spiritual successor to half-life

>Actually make a good sequel instead of the shit that was hl2

>Good level design, huge enemy variety, tons of level variety, bunch of good guns, great atmosphere and detail

I fucking need this man, I would kill for a successor that captures half of what half-life had, no matter how hard that would be since valve didn't even pull it off.

>>16615601

>what are metroidvanias

And they're still making metroid games, you dumb nigger.

>>16617579

>what are metroidvanias

Lazy imitations with half-assed RPG mechanics mashed in inevitably limiting their action pacing. And they're still making dumb-down garbage masquerading as Metroid games, if that's what you mean. It's quite clear that there's no one left at Nintendo who has any clue or any interest in honoring what made Metroid good.

>>16617561

ok reddit

>>16617778

>mistake one person for another person

>this is understandable, even if they don't necessarily look all that much alike

>mistake one person for another person

>the two people also happen to be of a certain ethnicity

>THE WORST CRIME

I'll never fucking get this.

>>16618147

There are worse examples from her twitter, she defended X censorship and then accused people of harassing her for objecting to it, unfortunately I forgot to screen cap or archive any of them. This one stood out to me though because why would a japanese person born and raised in japan refer to themselves as a person of color?

>>16618225

Because the internet told them to? Also, do you have an archive for that tweet or did you think a screenshot would be sufficient? It never hurts to have backups upon backups.

>>16618225

>This one stood out to me though because why would a japanese person born and raised in japan refer to themselves as a person of color?

Because they are, not that it really matters, since the only asians that would be accepted by the leftists are the brown ones.

>>16615955

>and that's all predictable as fuck my dude.

except it's not

and what that fag wrote describes xenoshit far more than eva

eva is nuanced and subtle, there's no stupid love story, and shinji was an actual fucking relatable human being who you genuinely feel bad for

plus in the eva it's not a simple matter of bad collectivism vs good individualism

in the tv series ending shinji embraces complementarity while in EoE he rejects it

so yea, Xenoshit does feel like a poor man's eva with its moral individualism shoved in your face

>>16615529

starsector

dwarf fortress

cataclysmdda

stardrive

>>16618318

>in the tv series ending shinji embraces complementarity while in EoE he rejects it

WRONG.

>>16615529

>What games do you want to see get spiritual successors because the developers don't give a fuck about them anymore?

SaGa Frontier

Wild Arms

Jade Cocoon

Lost Odyssey

>>16618363

*clapping intensifies*

>>16618373

>Wild Arms

Media.Vision (as the developers) still cared and wanted to make a proper WA6 for Vita and PS4 to celebrate the twentieth anniversary of the series, only for Sony (as the rights holder) to change their mind as to what they wanted from it partway through, and force M.V to do a crossover mobile gachashit reboot for it instead. Because apparently the phonefag audience, who has never even had a native port of one of the actual games, was deemed to have higher potential for making a profit off of than trying to appeal to existing fans was. Such is the issue with developers more often than not not owning the works they create.

Still, I could see M.V being disgruntled enough to try and take their business elsewhere and make a successor. They work as a third party developer, after all. Issue though is that "weird west" is something of a niche setting for a JRPG or even vidya in general, the series hasn't been all the popular over the decades (though I hear it's better liked natively in Japan than the west), and apparently no other company deemed it worth trying to fill the gap left during the dormant years on their own, so I'd assume trying to find some other publisher to fund a successor would be apt to be something of a hard sale. And I'd certainly rather they not go the Kikestarter route instead.

>>16615817

One day. I don't even understand why in this newfangled age of debauchery and immorality, satanic imagery has somehow become a taboo. I bet the jews did this. They worship satan so they probably don't like people representing imagery of it in videogames.

>>16615923

I agree with this one. The first AC!D was too sluggish and clunky, AC!D^2 worked out a lot of the rough parts and made it more playable. I say keep going.

I would love a game similar to Kings Field or Shadow Tower. This game type was already very niche and now its completely dead.

>>16618450

What if they changed the weird west into a space frontier?

>>16616839

>not using your palm to move the left stick & your finger to move the right stick and just the roulette wheel to turn around

beats being a fucking crab

>>16619072

>What if they changed the weird west into a space frontier?

The games kind of are already, to a degree, given that humans are not a native species to Filgaia, though whether that applies to all the games is debatable. Media.Vision was always wishywashy on continuity. The weird west aspect is still to the forefront though. As to space focused JRPGs, that's not an especially popular setting either. Star Ocean takes place on mostly backwater, underdeveloped swords-and-spells era planets, giving it the classic fantasy element to fall back on despite the premise, and classic style Phantasy Star has been dead a long time. Not sure if Infinite Space or Xenosaga necessarily count either; aren't those more space operas? Point being it's also a niche setting, and unfortunately, familiarity tends to be what sells best (and thus what gets funded).

>>16619069

programming that style is easy enough but writing and designing it to challenge the player without being completely brutal is the tricky part

maybe i'll whip up a toolkit in Godot

>>16619102

With the right sci-fi elements and gameplay I'm sure a good space fantasy can be made. Problem is the niche aspect of the genre.

>>16619145

Yeah, I'm not saying it can't be done, just that the people that have the power to clear it being made don't exactly want to at present. And it wouldn't shock me if companies consider the likes of that, or weird west, or hell, dark historical fiction fantasy (as in Shadow Hearts) as "failed" settings under the logic that if they were actually successful ideas, they'd have kept going. But even if they were still around, I get the feeling that they still wouldn't really get people aping them (not that I necessarily want a bunch of bandwagoning clones), specifically because generic fantasy is that much easier to sell people on. In any case, they'd probably find an excuse against doing so either way.

>>16615582

Blade games are actually good though.

>>16615817

Was working on it, will get back to it eventually.

>>16616801

Majesty 2 sucked ass.

>>16617415

Thankfully X exists, although unfortunately it doesn't look like it's coming back, that was going to go full Gears, you people just aren't paying attention.

>>16617434

Arcane Dimensions is Quake's sequel, and it's infinitely better.

>>16618383

That's some nice art but that game looks bland, I wish that they had made the game look more like Symphony of the Night and made it quickly, with less suck.

>brings back the worst system of a series which has never been anywhere near as well designed as metroid

What's wrong with them.

>>16619317

>gutter trash MMO combat

>actually good

>>16619364

Nice try faggot.

>>16619317

>Thankfully X exists, although unfortunately it doesn't look like it's coming back, that was going to go full Gears, you people just aren't paying attention.

I was paying attention. It's just that the main story is so fucking bad, a sidequest about lobster terrorism is better. A sidequest about a pizza serial killer is better. Fuck, there's textures in the game that tell me more important shit than the actual story does. Seriously check this shit out https://xenomira.wordpress.com/2019/05/28/xenoblade-x-comm-device-datamine-translation/You just can't accept the fact that making the game into a multiplayer singleplayer MMO was the worst possible decision they could have made if they wanted to tell a good story. I'm sure you've read the Secret File and various short stories, but if I have to go to outside media, there's a bit of a problem with your storytelling. Good supplemental material backs up the story rather than just making it make sense, ask Yoko Taro he fucking loves that shit. Again, I don't blame any of the writers here, it's clearly a bad situation to be in, but this is the time the game got in the way of the story. And I mean Ether Blossom Dancing everything to death is pretty fun, but given that it's pretty much an accepted fact that online games will die, it was pretty shortsighted to put that ahead of making Episode 1 make fucking sense.

>>16617778

>Takahashi is a SJW

So then why were Xenoblade 2's characters drawn by an hentai artist?

>>16620531

Because its Japan.

>>16620483

It's fine though, it lays out plot points for later games, and if the series were to come back later games would be better off because of this, I'd hate to see these elements played through and explained before any payoff can occur, imagine if they went ahead and completely explained the point of j bodies without the player being able to see what their full purpose was before they were even implemented as a subversive element to control the future populations of mira, imagine if blade's true purpose was revealed before it became a distortion of what players and it's original staff believed it to be.

If the series were to continue somehow players would look back and gain a greater appreciation for the first one, just as they would have if all Xenogears titles were released in order, many of the stories would only ever make sense in retrospect since plot elements couldn't be fully unveiled until things came to a head.

>>16624413

How did ballistic NG fuck up copying wipeout? I only watched one video and it looks terrible

>not fast at all but tries hard to give you the feeling that you are going fast

>FoV changes for no reason

>emulated the PS1 wonkyness for le retro feel

How hard would it be to make our own wipeout spiritual successor?

>>16615529

Neverwinter Nights. Release it with the same kind of toolset and modular systems, but use 4e rules and make it turn-based. And if possible, give people the ability to mod the rules and make whatever system they want. Basically, I want WRPG Maker.

>>16618383

I don't, Igarashi is a massive hack the 2.5D is cancer.

>>16647679

>You place dino crisis alongside resident evil & silent hill, yet you mention nothing of parasite eve? Shame!

The problem with that is do you mean PE1 A great game, PE2 a great game but i wish it was more like 1 and there was never any more after that.

>>16615529

None, because they'd fuck it up in the Current year+4

>>16647679

>>16646385

Lurk for 4 years then come back, faggot

>>16647835

>Lurk for 4 years then come back, faggot

No Suikoden 2? I dont get it. Either way, go fuck yourself

>>16657559

Fuck Yeah

>>16615809

Play Sin and Punishment

>>16615529

Anon there has been like half a dozen of these games Monolith Soft are still making them you fucking mongloid.

>>16657559

A man of taste and refinement, I see.

>>16646311

I'll check it out, thanks.

>>16657542

Try this. It's older and better.