/v/ - Video Games★

>>16542022 (OP)

Well that's gay as fuck. How is it any different from the free version?

>>16542082

There is a lot of new stuff added apparently. The ability to make rounded sub walls, and apparently a custom creature maker. I don't have very reliable information, but as OP says this isn't worth a buy. Only play if we can pirate it.

Op is a faggot.

https://github.com/Regalis11/Barotrauma

This game is a fucking mess and he has the gall of charging a whoppin $25 for it? The fuck dude

>>16542022 (OP)

>amateur gamedev wants to make commercial game

>releases alpha for free with the intention of eventually going commercial

>releases source code

>launches early access campaign while working on new content and features

as usual op is a faggot

>>16542087

Is that the version that came out around an hour or two ago?

>>16542098

>>16542030

Your game sucks shit.

>new campaign

>new creatures

>medical overhaul

>new map gen with biomes

>new ayyylion ruins layout and design

OP you didnt even fucking try

>charging money for this shit

lol, look man, it's a fun "game" for about a few hours but you get burnt out pretty fast

>>16542022 (OP)

This was always the intention if you ever bothered to read the page of the game you were downloading. It's also $30, after the release discount. That's definitely fucked pricing. I gave it a few goes and it just seemed to run worse with every release.

>>16542105

I never understand how commies are hated yet if someone wants to get paid for their work their Kikes.

Not adding up.

>>16542254

crabs in a bucket

>>16542254

The pricing was supposed to be about half what they're asking and it's still EA on top of it. Not only do they want guinea pigs, they want full fucking retard ones.

>>16542265

I agree the pricing is fucked, I just don't have an issue with charging money, if it was $15 I would be fine with it.

>>16542268

I wouldn't, it's still early access. Paying to be a play tester is full rock stupid.

>>16542254

>its an indie game

>its an early access game

>it's unfinished

>it's really shallow despite being a sanfbox

>clunky as shit

>run worse every time he drops a new version

>still charge AA price

Just because he released the source and keeps working on it doesn't gives him a kike-free card, why he didn't lowered the price and rise it when the game has actual new content?

This is like if someone slapped a $40 tag on SS13

>>16542254

Oh hey, the classic false dichotomy. Nice IP hopping by the way.

>>16542022 (OP)

They said they were going to do this, that's not the issue. It's their game and they deserve to at least be paid for it but

>$25

Anywhere between 7-15 dollars would've been better. It's fun but not that fun. Not like any of us are going to buy it anyway

>>16542283

Again I don't agree with the price and I don't agree with it being sold as EA.

I've seen something similar happen with Caves of Qud and Unreal World, this just seems to be handled poorly.

>>16542298

Not an argument.

>>16542103

It's probably up to date, I checked several months ago and it had most of the 1.0 features.

No guarantee that it'll actually compile though.

>>16542022 (OP)

I blame streamerfags and the devs for going full merchant to milk them.

I want it but only if I have fags to play with. I might just bite the bullet and get it amd see how it is.

>>16542468

>More constant exploding from ebin memers

No thanks, small crew best crew.

>>16542254

No software is worth any amount of money faggot.

>>16542483

I don't think I played on this one. I enjoyed murdering the entire crew one by one.

>>16542468

>is the top selling game right now?

Pretty sure devs pay for it to appear on that list, it's not the first time i've seem lowkey games there.

That or the algorithm is biased towards new releases due to them getting N number of sales in a short time.

>>16542479

That's absolutely retarded. But I'm sure you will argue some commie like talking points about how people will make software for free, with hardware that has also used software that was made for free.

>>16542484

>That Swastika sub

I had a giggle thinking of some alien deep sea horror swimming along and then seeing a Swastika Sub heading in its direction.

>>16542492

Were you a doctor? I remember last time we played this absolute lad offed the crew one after another.

>>16542510

No it isn't. It's just simple economics. Price is determined by supply and demand for both products, and supplies to make those products. Software can be copied infinitely so even if everyone in the world wanted it the demand can easily be met. Software has no inherent value because of this. Copyright was conceived as a way to force scarcity for this very reason.

>>16542536

You know when you buy pharma you're not paying for the actual cost of the pill?

You're paying for the R&D of that pill.

Same with software, you're claiming that people will invest millions to develop software then give it away for free.

>Copyright was conceived as a way to force scarcity for this very reason.

No it wasn't.

Fuck you're stupid.

>>16542541

>You know when you buy pharma you're not paying for the actual cost of the pill? You're paying for the R&D of that pill.

You're incredibly naive if you think that is true

>you're claiming that people will invest millions to develop software then give it away for free.

No I never did, and you can go suck corporate cock somewhere else.

>>16542554

>You're incredibly naive if you think that is true

I am a licensed in Health Insurance retard, what I'm saying is a fact. Supply and demand also play a part, but finding a pill for a relatively rare disease costs a shitload of money and time, to justify the investment the pill must be expensive enough to make a profit when selling to a small group.

>No I never did, and you can go suck corporate cock somewhere else.

That's exactly what you're arguing for as you don't want to pay for software but think somehow people will still produce it for you.

>>16542571

>I am a licensed in Health Insurance

Sure you are.

>That's exactly what you're arguing for as you don't want to pay for software but think somehow people will still produce it for you.

>I am arguing the exact opposite

Oh you're just shitposting.

>>16542523

That was the name.

Yeah, You could be either a faggot or bro but you wouldnt know which until the needle was in your back. Still enjoyed your regardless.

>>16542612

I'm glad you enjoyed my performance. No hard feelings, but sometimes seeing all those explosions, sirens, and watching the ship fall into the abyss is too much for me to resist.

>>16542578

I got my health license too, I've had for 4+ years, you could look me up with my name but I'm not going to dox myself to prove to some retard.

>You're shitposting

No i'm proving you wrong, sorry if its upsetting.

>>16542643

How so? I'm not the retard arguing for software communism.

>>16542633

There were a few nights on /vg/ I played with you too. Was good fun.

>>16542675

I hope the game gets cracked soon. I'll never play on steam ever.

>>16542520

>stop shilling your shit content nigger

SOOO

does anyone have a copy?

>all these idiots ITT who can't compile a simple program from source

Install gentoo.

>>16543203

goto https://github.com/Regalis11/Barotrauma

Git clone it, compile it.

There you just "pirated" this game.

>>16542536

this is nigger-tier logic and I hate that people here might unironically believe this.

What you are referring to is the manufacturing and distribution cost of a product/service. Yes, once a piece of software has been developed, it can be copied and downloaded at essentially no cost (not exactly true, servers and the internet are not free but you know what I mean). But there's more than one type of cost that justifies the price of the product. Products and services inherently have a value because of the effort put into them. To put this into perspective, when you are employed (part time or full time) by a company to do a certain job, you are trading time for money. Even though it doesn't cost money to transfer your time to the company, you still get paid for it, because it nonetheless has value to it.

If you truly believe that software has no value, then I strongly encourage you to go to a software development company and request them to make you a killer app for free. When they refuse, please tell them their effort and time has no value to you, and their product is ultimately worthless, therefore you shouldn't have to pay. Please record the conversation and post it here, so we can all listen to it.

>>16543228

>products have inherent value because of effort put into them.

No. A shitty product has no value regardless of how much effort is put into it. You can't make up for a lack of skill by putting more effort into it. That just results in more crap without value.

>I strongly encourage you to go to a software development

This is not an argument in your favor. In fact the incompetent people in software development justify even less value. But I am sure the many faceless corporation around the world will reward you for defending their honor on the internet.

>>16542254

>how commies are hated yet if someone wants to get paid for their work their kikes

Someone cannot be this intentionally retarded without being an actual shill

>>16543243

Now you're making an argument based on quality, which again disproves your argument that the only factor in value is price of distribution. A quality product that solves a problem or provides a service that people want has value if they want that problem solved or desire that service.

For example, a piece of software like a graphics editing program solves the problem of being able to edit computer images electronically. The pricing model for this product would reflect how well it solves this problem (i.e. its quality) and also how much it cost the developing company to create it (how much they page in wages to people to create it)

You don't really have a coherent central argument, you just sound like a disgruntled communist who can't understand economics.

Again, if the only determinant of a product's value is how much it costs to distribute, then please drive over to my house and suck my hair asshole, since it costs you nothing but your shitty effort and worthless time to complete I will pay you nothing (such as a filthy whore like you deserves)

>>16543364

You're ignoring the central point of a market which is supply and demand. You clearly have no understanding of economics at all. If a person pays for a product that has no inherent value then they are a sucker. That doesn't mean a product with infinite supply has value.

>>16543364

>>16543371

Value is completely subjective, there's no such thing as "inherent" value. What you can have is something that's commonly valued by most people, but all that really matters is how much you're willing to pay for something, and that will ultimately vary from person to person.

>>16543220

how do compile

>>16542483

>4th pic

I don't wanna seem like a faggot but judging by this image, whoever made this sub copied took inspiration my design and made it shittier. Well done.

does anyone want to play?

>>16543855

Ya i got the github bullshit no idea what to do with it

Also quotes from github's human-readable EULA:

"Barotrauma is not to be mistaken for free software or open source in

a free-software activist understanding. Undertow Games retains the

copyright to the source code and art assets(…)"

"Tl;dr: the code is intended for developing mods for Barotrauma."

Never pay more than 20$+inflation% for a video game. Pirate first, buy if it's good or let faggot dev cry for losing their precious potential shekels.

>>16543371

Can you come up with another solution then?

We want software to be developed.

But since it has no inherent value (according to you), then the Dev's should not be paid.

If that's the case, why should the Dev's work on it in the first place?

The only alternative you're offering is to have Software developers devote several months/years of their life to make something and then offer it for free.

Is this your alternative, or do you have another?

So, is there a magnet link anywhere?

>>16544943

oh i thought those were drivers that i already had thanks for telling me nigga

>>16544950

There's only a handful of God tier games I would pay for. Everything else is pirate. Pirate pirate pirate.

>>16542520

Was just going to post this.

Can someone remind me how this thread devolved into autists screaming at eachother about whether or not you should charge for software?

>>16545279

I can explain it to you, but I'll charge ya 5$ for it.

>regalis

this is the man that made SCP: Containment Breach

wew lad

>>16542259

You have to go back to >>>/reddit/

>>16545097

>being forced to pay for what appears to be an update to an otherwise free product is bullshit

Technically it was the alpha test or whatever the fuck. Alpha period is over so the support for the alpha client ended.

That say, I want to buy the game, but this shit's expensive and doesn't even add that much content from what people are saying. I'll probably just pirate it and then buy it if it ever gets to 5 bucks before it goes to shit.

>>16543993

Wow, you designed USS Enterprise ?

We can appreciate someone wanting to charge money for the work they put into something but when that "something" has been free for years now it's a bit insincere

>>16549402

>Extremely niche game

>"It should be $10 and have nothing to fund it's development"

And that's why you're here and not making vidya

>>16543371

>You're ignoring the central point of a market which is supply and demand.

No he isn't. You're just being a nigglet that doesn't understand what's actually being supplied here.

I work in industrial automation. All I do is write code all day erryday that's put inside machines and actually makes them work and do whatever task they need to do.

I did not spend any materials, I did not supply anything physical in the end. But I spent time, several weeks most of the projects, and that time has to be paid for. I've gotten into trouble for coding stuff that wasn't required because I'm spending time doing something that my boss can't charge for afterwards even.

If you want to argue that my code could be replied ad-infinitum afterwards (it can't since every machine works differently), I'l remind you that it did not took 0 seconds to write the first batch and I'd very much like to be paid for that. If you still think it has no value because it's not something physical, I'll remind you that the entire machine is just scrap until my magic code actually makes it start producing 10.000€ every single day.

You know why my work has value? Because it's Skill+Time spent to create something. Try and find someone to do my job and you won't find many that know how to program these things. It kinda takes a degree to know this shit. Try and find someone to sit at a desk for 3 weeks writing and then testing their solution and see if they agree to do it for free.

Mix both together and you get a very high demand for skilled engineers that know how to program industrial machines, which is why I'm paid quite a lot.

You'll probably retort with "X doesn't have value automatically just because you spent time working on it" and that's why I added Skill there. I'm not just paid because I spend time writing code. I'm paid because after I'm done, it actually works and achieves whatever was requested of me.

It's the same thing for videogames. There's no shortage of Ideas Guy's that want something done but lack the skill and time to pull it off or simply fans of a certain genre or idea. That's your demand that justifies putting a price once someone meets it. Should Devil May Cry's games be free just because it's fans could create their own if they wanted? Protip: The copyright laws are really not what's stopping most fans from doing their own version of the games. They pay the devs to do something that they want but can't do themselves.

I don't know where faggots like you came from, but I do know you're either one of these categories (or worse, both):

1 - The Black Pill fag.

You don't care about the worth of software, you just want the industry to crash so everyone goes back to banging girls and make trench\factory fodder. You're not new, special or even smart and you're not gonna accomplish this by shitposting on 8chan of all places. You're so retarded for thinking otherwise it's a wonder you can type at all.

2 - A Communist

You're stuck in the Factories and Farm mentality that commies like to think in.

You put no value in defending intellectual property and then wonder why any industry is simply full of copycats or dominated by fat cats.

You also put no value in services like medics or teachers because they aren't producing anything tangible and you're used to the state\parents paying that shit for you so you don't actually understand that none of that is really free.

There's really nothing to be said in this case, I'm afraid it's terminal at this point.

Either way, if you don't understand that shit takes time to create and time is a resource you can actually barter for

>>16549534

I've been coming back to check if this has been cracked yet, but I had to reply to this.

>I work in industrial automation.

No you don't.

Oh by the way, despite the long rant I went on, do not buy the game at this price.

It's a neat game and can be somewhat fun, but it's way too barebones as it is to justify it's price.15$ tops if you really like the genre, but 25$ is pushing it too far.

The game takes a lot of inspiration from SS13 but with little consideration for most of it's ideas, it's a griffer's paradise as well severly limiting your multiplayer experience and still needs more work put into it.

I'd honestly recommend Pulsar Lost Colony instead since it's cheaper and has far more content, despite being considerably uglier.

>>16549604

>not letting myself be swindled makes me a commie

You fags are pathetic.

>>16549620

>argue that something has no value because it can be replicated infinitely and thus supply is infinite

>completely ignore that you can't replicate the time spent to write it

>completely ignore that you need skills to write\draw it in the first place

>completely ignore that you can have demand for time and skills instead of just physical tangible goods

>still pretend you know jack shit about economics

Commie confirmed

>make retarded post

>someone points out why you're wrong

>can't argue against it

>argue instead against the identity of who wrote

>despite the fact it changes nothing about the rest of the post

>despite the fact you can't even prove it and run the risk of being proven wrong with something as basic as a screenshot of my work

>still pretend you have the upper hand

This is your mind on commie argumentation tactics.

Are you upset that someone is pushing against your black pill attempts at crashing the market? Don't feel bad, it would have failed anyway.

Are you upset that the world has moved past farms and factories, that there's far more to supply and demand in civilization than your commie brain can understand? That's okay, you'll starve under your utopia one day, I'm sure of it.

I don't see what /pol/ is so afraid of, you morons are only a danger to yourselves at worst.

I know you are in here, you shouldn't me charging more than $10 honestly fam. Gonna pirate it sadly

>>16549558

don't forget the occasional chicken farmer and navyfag who is stationed in an actual sub.

>>16549558

your ladder looks like shit, i wanna see more comments, faggot

>>16549651

Alright now I have to tell you why you should kill yourself immediately for defending this tripe.

>argue that something has no value because it can be replicated infinitely and thus supply is infinite

Which is true. You can argue that the person making the code has value, but the code itself cannot. It's your own inability to understand where value comes from is the problem. Please kill yourself immediately.

>completely ignore that you can't replicate the time spent to write it

Irrelevant. Your worthless is still worthless no matter how much time you spent on it. You could make the argument that the ability to distribute the product could be worht something, but the product is still worthless.

>completely ignore that you need skills to write\draw it in the first place

That's because it wasn't relevant

>>completely ignore that you can have demand for time and skills instead of just physical tangible goods

That still doesn't make your worthless product

>still pretend you know jack shit about economics

>make retarded post

>can't argue against it

Does your workplace need a projector? Kill yourself right here right now. Fags like you are the reason that things in every industry have gotten this bad, because they always know they have suckers like you can be taken advantage of. You make things horrible for everyone.

>>16549558

It's amazing how being a programmer doesn't exclude you from being fucking retarded, hotwheels can attest to that.

>>16542518

I remember playing doctor and teaming up with some doctor jew to kill every crew member by poisoning them, even though the jew was my target

>>16549747

All I did was point out the obvious, keep calling people communists though for not wanting to buy worthless software without merit.

>>16549804

Especially a dime-a-dozen indie garbage.

>>16549822

You're arguing that people should be paid whenever they do something they feel they should be paid for, to the amount they feel they should be paid.

Fuck off, nose.

>>16549732

Tell me what was your opinion on paid mods. You're for it correct?

>>16549822

You have brain damage, and are not checking IDs. But go ahead with your constant "y-you're a commie" autistic screeching

>>16549822

Learn to read ids you stupid bastard.

>>16549670

The other steps have proper comments but I'm forced to keep reserve steps in case there's need to do some change to the code in the future and those don't actually need comments.

It's annoying but helps sometimes.

>>16549714

>It's your own inability to understand where value comes from is the problem.

Right back at you.

>Your worthless is still worthless no matter how much time you spent on it.

Cooking food has no worth in itself. A cooked dish is only worth the raw food spent cooking it.

Healing a patient has no worth in itself. Only the medicine you spent has worth.

According to you, oh wise commie.

>That's because it wasn't relevant

It's perfectly relevant to the case, you just can't understand why. Coding is not an universal skill that everyone has. Some people do and if you want them to do it for you, you're gonna have to pay for it. The best paid jobs tend to be highly skilled for a reason, you pay extra because there's demand for someone that knows how to do them.

>That still doesn't make your worthless product

>time and skill is worthless, just do factory work, pal!

Farming has no value in itself. Food has, but planting seeds and harvesting them afterwards only costs you time, which according to you should be free.

Anyone doing anything related to plumbing should be paid the same, according to you. Paying someone that actually knows what he is doing doesn't make any sense, skill doesn't factor in the worth of your work after all.

Tell me more about your magical land of communism!

>stop proving me wrong and kill yourself! Why can't you just do what I tell you so we can enjoy free things in my utopia?

Grow the fuck up already. Your parents aren't gonna be alive forever to hold your hand and buy you shit.

>>16549839

>g-grow up stop triggering me

I don't know where you fags have come from, but you need to leave right now

>>16549836

Why are you not for it then? Don't the modders deserve to be paid for the time and effort they put into it? Doesn't bethesda deserve the money for it being their game, and the time and effort they put into it?

>>16549826

>You're arguing that people should be paid whenever they do something they feel they should be paid for

That wasn't his point, quit making dumb strawmans, faggot.

Everyone has the right to set whatever price they want for whatever they make and everyone else is free to agree to that price or not.

The Barotrauma Dev fucked up with the pricing since 25$ is really not what it's worth, at least for most people, and will get less sales because of that. He still has the right to ask whatever money for it, and it's still retarded to expect him to do it for free.

>>16549830

>Tell me what your opinion is on something only tangencially related. I bet it proves me right, so let's go with that.

Mods are something entirely different, the fact that you're even trying to mix the two just proves how retarded you are.

>>16549853

Go ahead and make your own software and put it up for free then. Time and skill isn't a factor here and since it costs nothing to make, why aren't you doing it?

>>16549865

>mods are not software

Brain damage confirmed. Kill yourself immediately you corporate stooge.

>put up your own software for free

That is what I will do. It's what modders do, it's what linux does.

>>16549873

>modders didn't want to be compensated

False, many did. But I guess you like revisionism. Leave and never come back.

>>16549880

I did not wrote that mods are not software. If you can't even make decent strawman why argue?

Mods are an entirely different category that raises serious issues the second money comes into play. Script Extender being required for most and thus requiring royalties for example, or how mods are supposed to be passion projects, not comercial.

I don't think you're dumb, you know very well all this, you just hoped it could prove your point.

>that is what I will do

I await your link to a public repository with the source code for whatever you making. I'm sure it will be something amazing.

>>16549915

One can only guess, but I suppose the Dev has put a lot of work into something like the fluid simulation or some other detail that doesn't look as big or important to most players. He genuinely thinks it's a fair price, even if the customer won't agree.

>>16549880

> It's what modders do

Modders don't create proprietary software. They create code that requires someone else's proprietary software which IS sold for money, so there's a legal issue involved in that. Secondly, modders modding for free is 1) a hobby and 2) required for a healthy modding community, because if there's no money changing hands, it allows for totally unmitigated collaboration between many people in a way that can completely overhaul the game. Like a crowdsourced development team. They do it because they like it and because they have a vision. They made the choice of doing it for free, they understood that when they started.

This is NOT THE FUCKING SAME as claiming "all software should be free. That is not equivalent. People volunteering in a soup kitchen does not equate to "all soup should be free and handed out by volunteers."

> it's what linux does

Again, Linux does what it does because of a vision. A goal of changing the world. It isn't free because some fucktarded troglodyte like you sat somewhere on the goddamn intertubes screeching "it should be free," it's because Torvalds understood his vision required the software be free. This is not the fucking same as demanding that game developers create and distribute games for free just because. The people who develop and release things for free do so because it is their choice, not because it's obligated by some communist nanny state. There is no incentive for creativity or creation in a society in which all your work is always given to the people freely; in such a case, the majority of people would prefer to sit on their ass and reap the rewards rather than work their asses off and reap nothing.

>>16550013

It's not because of that, it barely has anything to do with the game itself at this point. (And you're right, it's not worth 30$)

It's because there's a retarded communist that thinks ALL software without exception should be free just because you can copy it at will, all because he thinks there's no demand for time and skill or any value in R&D for something.

>>16550029

You're definitely a commie. You're starved for attention and you can't even defend your fantasy regime with anything other than wishful thinking.

>>16550038

Commies don't give rimmies for free, they give it to the People.

>>16542536

You're making some weird philosophical point about "value", and not a realistic, practical one, since people do pay for software that could be copied infinitely, yet you're talking as if this is "basic economics". You either don't understand the market, and base your point around real life with this obviously false premise, or don't know how to frame your sentences and put your made up philosophy of software value in the context of real life economics.

Do you guys know if its even possible or will ever be possible to play the old version of barotruama online ever again?

That is one of my primary concerns about the game.

Something similar is happening with dwarf fortress but I heard that they were leaving the free version alone.

>>16550456

The Dwarf Fort situation is similar to Caves of Qud.

Its just a wrapper with a graphical engine, CoQ free is Asci.

Does this finally mean we can stop playing this shitty garbage every fucking gamenight?

>>16550456

Well, technically with the Github repo, you could fetch the game in any previous stage you wanted so I suppose that'd be technically possible.

Dunno why, I think it looks better and seems to have more content now as well.

>>16550665

No because now you can play Ace of Spades more often as punishment

>>16542868

>trying to save the mindless fool who buys based upon advertisements

They deserve worse than a waste of $25.

Personally, I like the idea of pricing EA games high to keep low tier faggots that aren't interested in contributing to the game out. This should be coupled with a clear note that price will be lowered at full release to what would be acceptable, in this case probably 10-15 buckaroos. Now he's just a kike faggot. As if that wasn't obvious enough from doing early access.

>>16550796

>Factorio never goes on sale for exactly this reason

the real entitlement comes from people who think $20 makes them matter more than someone who spends $15 or less.

>>16550796

>This should be coupled with a clear note that price will be lowered at full release

>lowered

>not raised

>being forced to pay more for an unfinished game

That's just stupid. They should just admit the current game is not worth shit and sell it for 15 bucks top, ideally 10, then maybe raise it at official release if there's enough content to warrant a price raise.