/v/ - Video Games

The Mummy Demastered is really short but is a lot of fun, I really liked it

Be absolutely certain to play The Messenger. I shouldn't spoil it, but it turns from a ninja gaiden clone to a metroidvania at the halfway point.

Oh no, you said the cursed word. Now autists will get in stupid arguments over game genre labels.

Neither Cave Story nor 1/2 Genie Hero are metroidvanias.

>>16226196

I define a Metroidvania as any non-linear game where you find power-ups that allow access to various other areas of the game in no particular order, usually involving some degree of backtracking. That said, I see that I added Dead Cells which was an error. That is more roguelike than anything else.

inb4

>Dead Cells isn't roguelike

I fucking hate that name

"Metroidvania" describes Castlevania games that shamelessly steal Super Metroid's formula. The real name for the genre is "Metroid-likes" because they are like Metroid.

Here are some Metroid-likes:

Rabi-Ribi

Environmental Station Alpha

2hu Luna Nights

Shadow Complex (if you have shit taste)

>>16226196

I agree Cave Story isn't a Metroid-like, it's a linear platformer with a little backtracking.

>>16226247

I, personally, don't understand it. Games like this should just be called metroidlike. I don't really know where the vania part comes in unless you're specifically talking about Simon's Quest which is the only one in the series like it.

>>16226267

>Super Metroid's formula

Why Super Metroid and not just Metroid? How are the two different aside from how the save games work?

>>16226269

It probably became a thing because Castlevania SotN was the only other game similar to Metroid that normalfags noticed. I don't like the title because way too many shitty indie devs like to attach "metroidvania" and "rouguelike" to the descriptions of their games, and that always comes up as a flag that indicates they don't understand the concepts of proper level design and item acquisition.

monster boy is better than all of those, also momodora is fucking terrible.

Castlevania invented Metroid so it makes sense

Banjo Tooie is structured like a Metroidvania fucking fight me

>>16226275

Super Metroid because the game is actually well designed unlike Metroid 1 or 2. SM uses real level design techniques along with environmental worldbuilding (which was only slightly used in 2). SotN takes Super Metroid's design, not M1 or 2.

>>16226285

"Metroidvania" always struck me as an insult to the more unoriginal and sloppily designed Castlevanias such as SotN.

>>16226291

Sure, abilities locking off areas and collectibles. But "collect-a-thon" is a better genre IMO, since the things you collect don't benefit you mechanically (missile upgrades vs jiggies)

>metroidvania

The proper term is "Search Action", not that goofy ass shit that doesn't even apply to any of the games that get lumped into the genre and makes no sense to anyone who isn't familiar with metroid or castlevania thus failing miserably at the purpose of a genre name.

The proper genre is Action Platformer with Exploration and Searching for Hidden Items and Tasks.

>>16226157

>metrosexualvania

is this some kind of tumblrtale reference?

>>16226349

>Then you hang up your weapons and go off with your new monstergirl waifu to happily raise your child in a proper stable christian household (thus ending the game).

Just before seeing the "big bad" of the game destroy your wholesome life, giving you incenstive to restart the game.

>>16226359

There is no "big bad". The final boss is just another extraordinarily strong monster girl who wants to fuck you, but is testing your fighting ability and will to survive so that she knows she's getting good genes to pass down to her children. The reason you're even there in the first place is some material shit, like gold - or the promise of wealth and prosperity.

Also, it should have a rogue-like element and each time you fall in battle, you end up starting over at the beginning by taking over the role of one of your sons. Only by "winning" can you put an end to the gameplay/meta loop (by dying alone) giving finality to the title. Give the game two modes - an easier inheritance mode where gold, items, and some skills are passed down from one play session to the next, and another mode where you just start fresh with default beginner gear at the start of each new generation.

Let's first drop that retarded title.

Call it Metroid-like, at least, although it doesn't exactly fit the definition for all the games, so it's better to come up with something new.

I propose calling them Gated Platformers

Valdis Story. It has 'Character Action' combat, builds, and combat ranking system. The exploration is fairly simple with several gated secrets, a few timed events (typically bosses), but it is nonetheless engaging. Oh, and the game has four characters; each with their own play style.

>>16226349

>>16226373

>sex scenes as a lose state

This is terrible game design and doesn't benefit the player at all. Good things are win states and should reward good play. Since Metroid-likes have an emphasis on speed, the sex scenes should be an optional objective, like non-lethal or ghosting in stealth games.

This real hentai Metroid-like should have you choose to dominate each enemy/boss, or kill them normally. Fucking them will add them to your harem, for bonuses like more health. Killing them gives nothing, but maintains your purity which has passive benefits. Seducing and fighting are different movement sets, but one might aid the other in many fights; which move finishes them is what counts to kill/seduce.

A game about sex is a game about love, so the story must include both. The objective is saving your true HETEROSEXUAL PURE VIRGIN love, from a lesser sex demon who wants to mate with you to take over the human realm. Staying virgin would side with your love, while slutting everyone will let you add your love to the harem along with all other demons. These 2 paths will please both Catholics and degenerates, along with adding replay value.

Siding with either starts an endgame quest where you either exterminate every demon in Hell, or sex every human in your kingdom to let the demons take over the overworld. The twist in these quests is you're forced to only use one moveset (seduce/lethal) which adds more challenge to otherwise simple obstacles.

Steamworld Dig 2 - Has some elements of Motherlode mixed in.

Valdis Story - Some elements of cuhrayzee games mixed in

Rabi Ribi - Bullet hell elements

Outland - Ikaruga elements both in the sense of the light/dark gimmick and that it's not really the best the genre has to offer

Lecarde Chronicles 2 - Kind of like Simon's Quest fangame. Focuses more on skill and exploration, with stats purely depending on your gear rather than levels. Graphics are really amateurish and for a LECARDE you're using swords instead of spears but otherwise it's a pretty good game and it's free as in free beer.

>>16226378

>Call it Metroid-like

When has calling a genre after a game ever ended up well?

Just call it "search action".

>>16226411

>This is terrible game design and doesn't benefit the player at all.

It's not there for game design reasons and it does benefit players that have certain fetishes you're not receptive to.

>>16226448

>When has calling a genre after a game ever ended up well?

It's worked extremely well with the "Adventure" genre, they didn't even need a -like suffix.

>It's not there for game design reasons

Then it shouldn't be part of the pitch. Games only exist for their gameplay, everything else just gives context to the gameplay itself. Even the original walking sims like Loom and Myst knew this, and kept solid mechanics and puzzles at the core of the story, setting, sound, graphics, and all other ancillary details.

>>16226448

>When has calling a genre after a game ever ended up well?

Rougelike did stick, though.

But I do prefer calling it something else.

<<16226473

>It's worked extremely well with the "Adventure" genre

Adventure isn't named after a game and is and has always been a shit description as it doesn't tell you anything about what you're gonna play.

>Games only exist for their gameplay,

Not porn games, although I'm not gonna disagree that having a gameplay side that actually has some depth / content to it is a good thing but the primary purpose of those is still getting you to fap..

Unless you consider the fapping part of playing a porn game gameplay, but in that case focusing on giving a better context to your sexual content is a good thing and it turns out associating the loss state with sex is a great way to support some fetishes so it still works out fine.

>>16226487

>Rougelike did stick, though.

The term did, the definition didn't because for some ungodly reason some people want to "progress" the meaning of words which usually end up with it being meaningless, so now we have to deal with retarded shit like roguelite / roguelike-like

>>16226546

>Adventure isn't named after a game

Yep sure

>it doesn't tell you anything about what you're gonna play

You clearly haven't played any adventure games. Zork was a game like Adventure. King's Quest was like other adventure games but with graphics. SCUMM removed the NLP and instead you clicked a list. Even up to the last SCUMM games, the verb-noun input syntax was a core of the genre, just abstracted so you don't see it.

>associating the loss state with sex is a great way to support some degeneracy

You don't play a game to lose. If you're playing a game to fap, you're playing a game to fap. You can look at porn if you want to fap without any effort or achievement. This is the same logic Hamburger Helper used to argue skipping gameplay like we skip cutscenes.

>>16226267

>steal super metroid's formula

>castlevania II didn't come out before super metroid

>>16226157

Finding Teddy 2 is awesome.

So is Enviromental Space Station Alpha.

>>16226329

"Search action" is the goofiest shit I've ever heard. Where did you pull that out of? Your own ass?

>>16226864

>You clearly haven't played any adventure games.

You clearly haven't seen what games people describe as adventure games.

SPOILER: it's not limited to text based / point'n'click adventure games.

>degeneracy

Yes, we're talking about porn games.

> If you're playing a game to fap, you're playing a game to fap

If you're playing a porn game chances are fairly high that this is what you're intending to do at some point regardless, and if you happened to play said game strictly for the gameplay having sex scene locked behind a fail state would be irrelevant.

> You can look at porn if you want to fap without any effort or achievement

>This is the same logic Hamburger Helper used to argue skipping gameplay like we skip cutscenes.

I don't see what your argument here is.

You still have to progress to see latter content, so you still have to put effort towards getting to it the only difference is that you unlock said content by losing to something at some point it has no relation or parallel to wanting to skip the game part entirely to get to the story / porn.

Of all the games I've played La Mulana has the best exploration/puzzle solving, while Rabi Ribi has the best bosses.

>>16226269

>>16226285

As I understand it, the name became a thing (and useful) once more Castlevania titles came out that followed the SOTN formula. The Castlevania series was then divided into "Classicvanias" and "Metroidvanias".

Through memetic mutation, Metroidvania came to be used to describe any non-linear sidescrolling adventure, even though the original definition was "a Castlevania game that plays like Metroid".

>>16226275

Most significantly, the map.

Castlevania had already featured nonlinear progression (Castlevania II) and permanant power-ups that increased your movement options (the characters in Castlevania III), and SOTN combined the two - but also took the structure of the game directly from Super Metroid, including the liberally scattered save rooms. The map is blatantly identical to the SM map style, even the colour coding. The only thing he didn't borrow was the elevators and the victory condition (defeating all the bosses was required in Super Metroid to open Tourian - you could fight the boss in SOTN as soon as you gained access to the area.)

>>16226157

>Dead Cells

>metroidvania

for fucks sake people

>Dead cells

not really a metroidvania, more roguelite than metroidvania

>Hollow Knight

excellent 10/10

>The Vagrant

never heard of it

>Cave Story

not really a full blown metroidvania but good game

>Axiom Verge

meh it was ok. shitty artstyle. adequate gameplay

>Shantae

too easy. inferior to pirate's curse

>Momodora

not really a metroidvania but it was an ok game.

>Ori and the blind forest

the easiest. way too easy and not really metroidvania

The mummy demastered is short but enjoyable

Make sure to pirate, not support, Timespinner or whatever the fuck it was called. It's a SotN clone and the gameplay is fun, it's just that the story is SJW-ridden. Download the political agenda annihilation mod, it's free and on steam workshop for the game.

>>16227379

>>The Vagrant

>never heard of it

Chinese knock-off Vanillaware style game, it's ok.

>>16226327

Killing bosses in Metroid doesn't directly benefit you either. You're getting progression flags mixed up with the mechanics of gameplay. Not saying Tooie isn't a collect-a-thon, but Metroid Prime still has the classic Metroid progression with new FPS mechanics. Similarly, most 3D Mario games don't really fit the more strict definitions of collect-a-thons, especially Odyssey in which progression is exactly like 3D World while the mechanics make it more similar to 64.

>>16226231

It isn't very much like Rogue you know

>>16227533

The prime series is shit.

>>16227949

I bet you're that autist that always ruins roguelike threads. If a game has one element from a roguelike it is a roguelike, period, get over it.

>>16226338

Wouldn't the simplest term platforming maze?

>>16228260

Read it again, dumbass

>>16228095

Firstly, never played any Metroid game aside from Super and it bored me. Second, the only two things Rogue is about is randomization and permadeath. If you're saying that, shit like Fire Emblem is a roguelike.

>>16227379

>Download the political agenda annihilation mod, it's free and on steam workshop for the game.

There is no Workshop for the game, and the file on the original discussion is long dead