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File: ce12e1c3116bb5b⋯.jpg (28.63 KB, 640x480, 4:3, sf2ce-x10.jpg)

77923f  No.16220235

Do you think that time passing in the real world should be factored into long-running series?

There is something disturbing in realizing you have out-aged adults in series you've liked since childhood. Likewise in playing games with young protagonists who are still naive children 5 games in after saving the world multiple times.

So should pic related be 21 or 51?

cc121f  No.16220265

21


147d1a  No.16220296

51


a5db4d  No.16220305

72


356874  No.16220306

12


7d79b0  No.16220310

File: 9503c2354b94014⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.29 MB, 1000x1590, 100:159, 52800490a169b8f98a620bcc95….png)

>>16220235

Don't matter, long as i can beat off to it


958e0c  No.16220320

File: 42ef2d31ce9698a⋯.jpg (75.43 KB, 640x905, 128:181, berserk1_cover.jpg)

File: a53edf6f16f6794⋯.jpeg (64.55 KB, 738x415, 738:415, guts.jpeg)

>>16220235

I started reading berserk when I was young. I'm absolutely pissed off that this series has been running 30 years and guts is still 20 something. 8 years passed in the real world while they were on a fucking boat ride.

I understand there is a case to be made for making a series timeless or whatever, but you sure as shit better give some kind of nod to the audience.


a5db4d  No.16220329

>>16220310

Where's the horse?


7d79b0  No.16220332

>>16220320

I think that's just a matter of "author didn't want to force a timeskip because of a production hiatus"


e8a603  No.16220341

File: 97aa43eaaceaea0⋯.png (118.21 KB, 310x465, 2:3, wright.png)

Some genres can do it well, but most likely this shouldn't be done. I mean you'd have to have many characters retire or die in that case.


2ff922  No.16220367

>>16220235

>disturbed by the realization that I've outgrown my childhood entertainment

You don't say.


d18580  No.16220369

>>16220235

Most recent game that did this was KH3, 17 years had passed and Sora was still a dumbass little shitbag. Worse, he actually became stupider and more naive in his writing. And it was fucking hilarious hearing his voice actor struggle to still sound like a teen, his voice would randomly drop a couple of octaves at times.

Nomura should have made his shit faster if he didnt want the characters to age. This wont be a timeless piece or whatever, it will be buried under mountains of shit in 50 years.

He shouldnt have disrespected his audience. Just change the fucking plot.


a1c731  No.16220405

There are two fighting games that tried moving on from the original series time-wise, but both times the reception was lukewarm.

>Soul Calibur 5

<Because of the timeskip a lot of characters disappeared (for example, Sophitia and Cassandra were replaced with Sophitia's kids, who fought differently).

>Mark of the Wolves

<Mai disappeared (too busy pumping out Andy's kids, I guess) and was replaced with a ninja kid. Game was still great though.

Generally people complain about losing popular characters' movesets more than anything else, that's a problem with any fighting game that drops characters between sequels. Better to think of it like watching an old movie, sure the actors are all dead but it shouldn't bother you much.


f06fe5  No.16220542

so long as the story is good and the writer uses the opportunity to say something interesting anything can be good, there's plenty of great stories about both characters growing old and readers outgrowing characters.

>>16220310

cutesexyrobutts' got this weird thing where he can do exaggerated anatomy without it looking weird decently but he ends up failing basic perspective. I do jack off at some of his more neutrally posed stuff vigorously.


ba95fe  No.16220566

File: 34edc77bb8d4f0e⋯.jpg (53.98 KB, 346x301, 346:301, 1453390756381.jpg)

>>16220405

I thought the ninja was her Andy's kid, but apparently not.

Guess mai is gonna die a virgin.


ba95fe  No.16220574

>>16220542

>I do jack off at some of his more neutrally posed stuff vigorously.

That's kind of weird.

Like I'm not sure ``I`` would be 100% comfortable knowing that through my drawings, I am making strangers over the internet cum.


ba95fe  No.16220588

>>16220405

>Generally people complain about losing popular characters' movesets more than anything else, that's a problem with any fighting game that drops characters between sequels. Better to think of it like watching an old movie, sure the actors are all dead but it shouldn't bother you much.

That's what dream match games are for, or games outside of the canon, so you can toss in all the rinky dink characters that have been added to the series over the years.


a7399d  No.16220602

>>16220588

That's what all games should be. No one would be unhappy if a technically non-canon character shows up in a fighting game sequel.


d0f875  No.16220719

File: 6406204cdb0931e⋯.webm (4.48 MB, 426x240, 71:40, MoonMan raps about OP.webm)

>>16220235

This may be the most retarded thing I've ever heard.


270c76  No.16220809

>>16220235

She should be 15, like all female video game characters.

Fiction does not usually work in time, otherwise you might as well put in cumulative injuries in fighting games.

Every KO makes your character a bit more stupid and increases their chance of sudden death via brain haemorrhage. Also, the KOs are added up from every game played, by every player in the world. Meaning 3 seconds after release, a character is perma-dead or in a coma.


270c76  No.16220820

>>16220320

It could be that you are seeing glimpses into his time, a piece at a time, like reading a diary entry.

A diary doesn't age along with the person who wrote it. If you read an entry from their 20th year 40 years later, they aren't suddenly 60 in the diary.

How much time passes in each berserk story given the events that happen?


6fd009  No.16220841

The problem is when some characters age and others don't.


cfe46f  No.16221076

File: 19d9e8e3b0938d9⋯.png (324.43 KB, 520x484, 130:121, 19d9e8e3b0938d9de9be368716….png)

>set a game within a specific time period because it had cool weapons and equipment

>dont actually go for the cool and obscure shit instead just add futuristic technology or the most popular few guns at the time


9068c7  No.16221077

File: feef3d818efe5d7⋯.mp4 (1.03 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, Kenny_Powers_Not_nice.mp4)


b3401b  No.16221097

File: 2a2c78465b98342⋯.jpg (102.95 KB, 1500x1024, 375:256, IMG_20190304_172944.jpg)

>>16221076

>some of the guns didn't even exist at the time the game is set, ir were just prototypes that didn't even see field testing


2ff922  No.16221127

>>16221076

>Bioshock takes place in the 60s

>Andrew Ryan references "The Holocaust"

>"Holocaust" didn't enter popular terminology until the 80s

>Ryan had a time machine that whole time and never prevented his own death


4fbf64  No.16221160

>>16220820

That's easier to imagine in a series set in a medieval style setting, but for a modern setting like Street Fighter it's harder to imagine.


cfe46f  No.16221187

File: d9f5672b3d2acec⋯.jpg (340.85 KB, 1280x1923, 1280:1923, elizabeth.jpg)

>>16221097

having prototype weapons sometimes can be cool

>>16221127

>game is set in 1912

>2 years before the great war

>Has an SMG


f41224  No.16221207

File: eb6bd905bef0560⋯.jpg (42.87 KB, 513x532, 27:28, xm-8.jpg)

File: b55d187ec656b2c⋯.jpg (250.41 KB, 1200x918, 200:153, Oicw_2.jpg)

>older game set in the near future of the time

>current day catches up with it

>every bit of prediction was wrong, technology is nowhere close to what they imagined it to be

>instead of adopting "bleeding edge" stuff like the XM-8 or OICW most of the world still uses AR-15 or AK derivative


e119f2  No.16221218

>>16221207

<>instead of adopting "bleeding edge" stuff like the XM-8 or OICW most of the world still uses AR-15 or AK derivative

>implying that isn't realistic because defense contractors have an iron grip on the market and cronies at every bureaucratic level


f41224  No.16221243

>>16221218

It more a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Most of that stuff either looks good in theory but is wholly impractical in the field (weight, bulk, complexity necessitating longer training…) or just isn't enough of an improvement to justify replacing an entire weapon platform and all the related logistical stuff.

Hell, the M2 and the MG3 are 86 and 77 year old system respectively, and both are still in service world-wide.


10006f  No.16221265

>>16221187

>video game

>hur dur the female is dressed too revealing, it should be more like how females actually dressed at that time

>real life

>hur dur 1950's women dressed that way cuz oppression, how dare you criticize us for dressing so revealing


cfe46f  No.16221357

File: 6f5fb91daf3c59a⋯.mp4 (5.88 MB, 480x360, 4:3, Timesplitters 2 Music NeoT….mp4)

File: 49bb1fda8212404⋯.jpg (48.56 KB, 640x448, 10:7, Neotokyo 2019.jpg)

>>16221207

>older game set in the near future of the time

>current day catches up with it

>every bit of prediction was wrong, technology is nowhere close to what they imagined it to be

Tokyo isnt like this?


e09db5  No.16221360

File: 9953893ccdb5cc1⋯.jpg (71.37 KB, 528x800, 33:50, makoto best boy.jpg)

>>16220235

Fiction doesn't equate to reality; it is it's own universe and thus doesn't need to compare to the timeflow of this existence. I do know that Sakura aged up in SF5 and went from high school girl to wage slave, so there's at least SOME movement in the years.

Pic unrelated.


cfe46f  No.16221394

File: a2517f41a150f7d⋯.jpg (102.94 KB, 750x733, 750:733, 1337 Crew.jpg)

>>16221360

its interesting when characters do age overtime along with technological changes


fba2ca  No.16223344

File: f1ca38fb58baf77⋯.jpg (161.37 KB, 831x1200, 277:400, 20190304.jpg)

>>16220235

SF2 came out in 1991.. so is she 28 or 51?


352cf5  No.16226657

File: da168f586462e27⋯.jpg (25.71 KB, 405x750, 27:50, 8T.jpg)

>>16220235

>34/22/36

Dem hourglass figures?


d867ed  No.16226675

>>16221394

First one is best. The rest are a gay porn star morphing into big boss.

>starts hip firing after phase 2


9aa6b0  No.16231584

I liked how Pokemon Gold/Siver/Crystal did it. Real time progressed and now we're re-visiting the world. I hated that Gen III was almost entirely unrelated, and sort of took place at the same time as Gen I instead (except not really because it's full of contradictions).

That said, I don't think you need to use real-time to determine how much time passes in-universe, but I like when events happening in-universe are considered to actually take time, and therefore characters age at an appropriate rate. It worked in Soul Calibur until 5. Sonic actually turned 20 in Generations. The trick is, don't do anything that fucks up the gameplay or gets rid of classic characters, like has been done in several fighting games.

Not vidya, but I mostly like how it's worked in the DC Universe. Time passes extremely slowly compared to real time, because most comics happen quickly. a story that takes six months of issues to come out is likely to take place in a single day. But over time, events still happen that mean time must be passing. An earlier example is when, by the mid-'80s, Green Arrow's sidekick had had a kid, meaning that Green Arrow was essentially a grandfather, so they started actually playing him as getting older. It became part of the story.

Around the same time, they did the possible-future Batman story, The Dark Knight Returns. When that story came out, Batman was on his second Robin. A few years ago, when Batman was on his fifth Robin, they realized a lot of time must have passed, so they started introducing characters from The Dark Knight Returns into regular continuity. Of course it's a different timeline, so it's not the same events, and Batman doesn't seem like an old man, presumably because of Lazarus Pits and time being rewritten and compressed four or five times, but they've essentially caught up to the point where Carrie Kelley and The Mutants show up.

Then after that they realized that both Batman and Superman have actual sons now, and back in the '50s there were future stories about "The Super Sons," the future sons of Batman and Superman. So they just made an actual Super Sons series, in actual continuity this time. It took almost 60 years, but they caught up to the future stories.

On the other hand, if you take this too far, things just get fucked. For example, everything is fucked by characters whose histories are tightly tied to World War II. By the '60s they tried to say they lived in an alternate universe and time was passing in real time. They were now middle aged. By the '80s they were elderly, but there were good stories to be told with that. By the '90s they needed to start explaining that magic and super science events had kept them relatively young. Then a few years ago they just straight up rebooted them as young versions back in their original alternate universe. But they're too popular so they're back again now and I guess it's back to saying magic has kept them relatively young (still elderly, but they should all be dead).

Other routes they've taken is saying that the first 15 years of continuity (until the mid-'50s) for characters who never got cancelled (big names like Superman and Batman) were actually in the same alt-universe as the WWII heroes. The original Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman continued to age in real time and eventually had stories where they died and stuff. But that left the post-'50s versions. Those versions had no "beginnings" because they only retroactively said earlier stuff was actually an alt-universe. So the alt-universe stuff is still canon except stuff that's specifically contradicted. By the mid-'80s it all got too complicated so they merged the universes and rebooted. Except they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, so the Superman "reboot" says that in modern day, Superman has been a public figure for 10 years, and all the past stories happened in those ten years, except for the ones that are explicitly contradicted by new stuff. Superman is the first superhero, so everyone else's continuity is mashed into those 10 years. Except for the WWII guys, who are now elderly and therefore existed before Superman, and the Superman who used to be from their universe, and old like them, never existed anymore. Except he did in heaven, but nobody remembered him until he died 20 years later. They then did similar "reboot" things at least four or five more times since then.

If you've got a really long running series, just keep it simple and don't worry about aging.


9a4884  No.16232549

>>16231584

> I hated that Gen III was almost entirely unrelated, and sort of took place at the same time as Gen I instead (except not really because it's full of contradictions).

Sometime during Gen II someone at the Pokemon HQ realized that their anime self insert MC was about to out grow the target audience. Since they had struck gold with the cute pikachu mascot, they didn't want to move onto another one so they decided to start ignoring time entirely and keep him the same age. It was purely a marketing decision so pokemon is a really bad example for this thread.


4c58fc  No.16235491

>>16221357

Good news for me is Perfect Dark doesn't take place for another 4 years, so I'm not old yet.


9aa6b0  No.16235496

>>16232549

Except the anime MC is only an equivalent to the Gen I protagonist. Gen II's protagonist is a different person, as is every other protagonist in the series. Gen III takes place at Gen I purely because you can trade with the Gen I remakes and they didn't use the Time Machine like in Gen II. But then there are contradictions because Pokemon Eggs have always been known instead of just being discovered in Gen II, and in Gen II they said they discovered 100 new pokemon since Gen I, but now in Gen III, which is the same time as Gen I, there are way more pokemon than even Gen II.

Of course the real answer is that Pokemon is a series of universal superclusters. Every save file is its own universe, and every save file for the same version is a universal cluster. Save files for an entire generation then form a supercluster. The Gen II supercluster contains in the pasts of its universes something very similar to events seen in the Gen I Supercluster, but not exactly the same as any particular Gen I Universe. But the Gen I and Gen II Superclusters are still pretty close together, forming their own Hypercluster, but very far away from every other Supercluster. They're part of a different hypercluster than Gen III and forward. That said, eventually the tech from the Gen III hypercluster got to the point where they could make contact with the other hypercluster. This is not unprecedented, since of course every time you trade, you are in fact interacting with another universe (Gen V makes this explicit in that town with the eighth gym), and the Time Machine from Gen II is not only interacting with a different time, but a different universal supercluster. This means that things like Pal Park are some sort of multiversal nexus. Of course, it also means that the anime is just one more universe in the multiverse, though probably a different hypercluster than the games.

That said, that doesn't mean Gen III didn't still fuck up the entire narrative. Would have been cooler to just see the world continue to evolve, and not completely invalidate the older games that everyone loved.


3a2232  No.16235700

>>16220235

Time shouldn't pass for zombie outbreaks. Instead, you should be given different perspectives from the same event. Stories begin near the outbreak, and that tends to be the most interesting time.


99bc87  No.16236038

>>16221187

Wasn't the entire POINT of this that Elizabeth was a woman "out of time", and thus her fashion sense wouldn't be the same as her contemporaries? Because I thought that was completely fucking obvious.

>>16221357

Media set in the near future is always like this. When I was in high school I was writing a novel set in the far-off year of 2020, where we had space travel and flying cars and shit. Except, 2020 is next year, and literally nothing has changed since I've been in high school, except the cell phones now have touch screens and internet access. Big fucking deal.

Of course, sometimes you get the opposite effect. It always annoyed me that in Lord of The Rings literally thousands of years of civilization goes by, much of that in wartime, and yet somehow military technology never seems to advance beyond swords and arrows. Oh sure, they've got wizards and nigh-unkillable eldritch abominations riding around on fell beasts; but the vast majority of battles are still composed of smashing tens of thousands of metal-clad bodies against each other.


4f10cc  No.16236042

I dare to believe Chun Li should age backwards and become a leggy loli.


7f9159  No.16236051

>>16236042

M. Bison/Vega blah blah blah Psycho Drive blah blah blah Shadow Lady blah blah blah. There you go, story justification.


24f198  No.16236061

>>16236042

If anyone has art of this, now's the time.


f00081  No.16236064

Devil May Cry 5 got hit by this too. 11 fucking years is a long time, and the switch to face cap made it worse. Dante's VA is old, and it's painful listening to him try to act young. Only Nero still sounds his age.


9aa6b0  No.16236109

>>16236038

Lord of the Rings and things set in the far past like that get a pass because technology did advance much slower the further back you go. Also, that series doesn't exactly match the real history of the time its set anyway. It's supposed to be just a set of mythology. The fact that its as internally consistent as it is if anything acts against the intent of creating myths rather than a real universe. Tolkien never gave a shit about inconsistencies, and chalked it up to being different myths.


d9ba5e  No.16236187

File: 6be13305acee8a4⋯.png (320.92 KB, 1200x599, 1200:599, M3E1 84mm carl gustov basi….png)

>>16221207

The XM-8 is just a G36 in cosplay, and while it was adequate as a rifle (it overheated because of all that pointless plastic, and lacked sensible rail space for attachments and optics), it offered nothing that was worth the cost of moving to it. Adoption was NEVER a serious consideration by any branch of the US military. The only reason people liked it is because they were kids and fell for the marketing.

The OICW was bulky underpowered shit. It failed as a grenade launcher and as a rifle. This was correctly dedicated to be just a grenade launcher (XM25), but incorrectly stuck with the same mistake of using a tiny underpowered round. It was basically using something slightly better than airbursting birdshot.

The military finally put a bullet into the head of the XM25 program, and purchased a thousand M3E1's (basically a 15 pound carl gustov 84mm) instead.


53dc27  No.16240490

>>16220310

>>16220235

Vidya characters have only got one age, the age of consent


37ac37  No.16240529

>>16220235

Why would real life time apply to a fictional setting? Her age is

[whatever year the game takes place in] - 1968


4de85b  No.16240561

>>16221187

It's explained in the game that all of their advanced technology and culture was taken from the future via the "quantum" plot device. One of the first things you encounter in the game is a barbershop quartet singing God Only Knows by the Beach Boys.


ae88b9  No.16240589

>>16220341

was thinking of this one too, this series handled things fairly well, although Maya lost some of her charm with age

>>16220235

One of the things about characters, especially in games, is that they aren’t just characters but also assets. Having a certain character in your game has a positive or negative effect on whether your audience will purchase it. Aging up characters is riskier since you have to replace them with new ones. Execs typically see that as both a liability and waste of effort.

You’ll still see these things happen, the aging and death of characters, but typically it means the property’s creator still has most of the control, or there is an easy way to create a replacement that is functionally the same character. Comics get away with replacing and rebooting heroes constantly, for example, since the costume establishes the hero’s identity. Another example would be Snake. Since he’s got quite a few clones, it was okay to age him up and kill him off.


a95304  No.16240748

>>16240561

still, if they could reach far into the future why get a shit SMG design that isnt even american? they could have got some battle rifles too


b20797  No.16242685

File: 301dc3f59fe1a33⋯.jpg (233.65 KB, 1035x1200, 69:80, 20190304.jpg)

>>16220235

>>16220310

SF2 looks like a normal healthy woman, SFV looks like a thicc thigh fighter


9aa6b0  No.16243387

>>16240589

>One of the things about characters, especially in games, is that they aren’t just characters but also assets. Having a certain character in your game has a positive or negative effect on whether your audience will purchase it. Aging up characters is riskier since you have to replace them with new ones.

It can work if the character plays the same and if they show respect to what came before. Nobody has a problem with the second Sub-Zero. Nobody has an issue with modern DK actually being Donkey Kong III. However, the cast of MKX is a different story. Hell, I have a bit of an issue with Mega Man Zero not showing enough respect to either Classic or X.

>Comics get away with replacing and rebooting heroes constantly, for example, since the costume establishes the hero’s identity.

Naw. The only times it works are when the replacement goes out of his way to show extreme respect to the person he's replacing. Look at The Flash. Every version has gone out of its way to say he doesn't feel he can live up to the previous version. Even then, the previous version keeps coming back. Wally was Kid Flash for almost 25 years, and regular Flash for almost 25 more, and they still had to bring Barry back. When they tried to replace Wally with Bart, who was popular as Wally's sidekick, people hated it so much that they had to kill Bart within a year.

After bringing Barry back, they tried to reboot Wally so he could be Barry's sidekick again. But that erased the time he was Flash so everyone hated it. So they had to say the real Wally was still around, and rebooted Wally was actually just real Wally's cousin who happened to also be called Wally and also happened to have very similar powers and origin.

The second Robin was so hated that fans literally voted to kill him. Still, then other fans were mad about that, so they brought him back to life 15 years later.

Hal Jordan became a universal villain who destroyed time and tried to rewrite it in his own image. His replacement Green Lantern, Kyle Rayner, still spent the next ten years of stories feeling that he could never be as good as Hal. Then they brought Hal back.

Blue Beetle wasn't even a popular character, and had already been rebooted twice by the time DC bought the rights to him. Both times were in the '60s, the first reboot barely lasted a few months, and the franchise had been cancelled for nearly 20 years when DC brought it back. Still, when they did, they constantly had the third reboot, Ted Kord, talk about how he did what he did because of a promise to uphold the legacy of the second Blue Beetle, Dan Garrett. And of course Ted never felt good enough, he couldn't even use the powers Dan tried to pass on. The first Beetle, Dan Garret (with one T) was completely rebooted and almost never mentioned again. Probably contributing to why Dan Garrett wasn't very successful. 20 years after buying him, DC killed Ted Kord and replaced him with Jaime Reyes, who then spent the next few years feeling like he wasn't good enough to replace Ted Kord, before his series was cancelled and they eventually had to bring Ted Kord back. Of course this entire time he was always around through time travel stories anyway.

Compare to modern SJW stories, where they say Tony Stark was always a bad person and this random black girl is way better than him. And Thor isn't even worthy of the name his parents gave him, so this girl is Thor now. Miles Morales almost worked because he did originally show respect to Ultimate Peter Parker, but that aspect has long stopped being relevant, since the Ultimate Universe doesn't even exist anymore. Now he's just another arrogant SJW piece of shit.


c3f2b4  No.16243663

>>16242685

Chun Li used to be the only female character in the game, so she had more universal appeal. Now that SF has a large female roster, Chun Li's thighs have been exaggerated to make her stand out.


000000  No.16243733

>>16220235

It is fiction. It doesn't need to be realistic or "muh immersive".

Games are about challenge and fun. Not about immersion or realistic portrayals.




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