/v/ - Video Games

>>16185723

How do you fight a ghost?

What are some horror games which are primarily about running away instead of fighting or hiding?

>>16185723

Never thought about it that way but you might be on to something, op.

>seriously implying that any horror game that allows you to attack the monster does not immediately result in aggressive behavior

>>16185723

It's not really horror if you can adequately defend yourself is it?

modern horror games are walking simmulators. You are basically watching a movie with how heavily scripted things are. You are lumbering from set piece to set piece where occasionally the only imput required is running away or hiding behind a very specific piece of cover until the threat goes away.

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>>16185900

I agree. How is it scary if you're not at least slightly vulnerable? You could be killed in almost any video game, but you can defend yourself and it's not usually scary even in horror themed areas or games. If anything, I think being scared in games where you can fight back is a little suspect. It just feels like another challenge to me and doesn't get me that adrenaline rush or on edge feeling at all. I think a good way of doing things is making it so you're vulnerable during the main game, but to have one or more boss fights where you actually can fight back. Ideally you would still be as vulnerable during the fights though so you really have to avoid getting slaughtered by the enemy while fighting it off or trying to kill it.

>>16185734

Are you seriously arguing that video games are an entirely propaganda immune medium? There is a big difference between "games make you go against your morals and kill people" and "games can influence you." You are basically arguing that video games can never influence, which is funny since that is precisely what some groups want to use them for. That isn't to say the horror games I am talking about are some conspiracy to get the affect I said in my OP, but that those horror games get that affect none the less.

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>>16185983

>it's not scawwy unless you are a defenseless babby

Why exactly is it a good thing to make defenseless scenarios just to terrify a player? Wouldn't there be a more positive experience if games gave players tools to deal with problems proactively instead of just making them defenseless babies that run and cower from threats?

I always appreciated games like Dead Space, or the Resident Evil games, where you can get fucked up and cornered easily early on but once you've figured out the controls, enemy behavior, weapon physics, you start to dominate and fight back. Being able to conquer a spooky critter trying to fuck your shit up will always be more fun than being at the mercy of it with no chance of resistance.

I really think some of the older horror games handled it best… You're able to fight back, but your ammo is limited, so it becomes a question when do I fight and when do I just avoid enemies.

I sometimes play Call of Cthulhu with people irl, so I can really appreciate horror where you have no hope of fighting back. Honestly, horror games where you can fighting vs. ones where you can't fight are equally enjoyable.

Freddy Got Fingered isn't a video game anyway, so I don't know why you used it as the thread image.

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>>16186198

You fuck-up.

>>16185734

Except we know for a fact that media influences people. Its called advertising.

>>16186145

Non-confrontational horror games aren't making kids pussies. It's how any violence of any kind is punished these days that makes them pussies.

>If you punch a guy you'll get arrested

>Even if he was screaming in your face for 5 minutes straight. You'll just a lighter sentence for "aggravated assault"

And it extends all the way down to the school system because of the "zero tolerance policy" that most schools have. Which entails that even if another kid hit you first, if you hit back, you're getting suspended too. And if the kid picked the wrong fight and you kick his fucking ass until he's bleeding all over the place and crying? He'll get off scot-free while you get expelled.

That is what's making everyone a bunch of safe space, padded room, whiny pussy babies that should all be forced to go through boot camp.

The influence of video games is minimal. The real studies have found that video games only drive you to behaviors you already agree with. IE: Kids who already had violent tendencies became more violent by playing violent video games.

>>16186205

But how much influence do they have? Are we supposed to believe that games have so much influence that they can make you shoot up a school, like anti-violent video game activists claim? I don't see how a game about running away from shit that will kill you instantly is training people to be bitches; people that only play games like that are already bitches and select these games on their own. Even if they did have influence, there are still plenty of games about killing your enemies, so "flight games" are outclassed influence-wise.

Why the fuck have all horror games the past decade been walking sims? is there a reason to not give the player anything to defend themselves or even just stun the enemy so you can get away? most of them dont have health items either so you just get 1 shot by anything

>>16186310

>Non-confrontational horror games aren't making kids pussies. It's how any violence of any kind is punished these days that makes them pussies.

This obviously has a larger effect, but you can't just dismiss everything else.

>The influence of video games is minimal. The real studies have found that video games only drive you to behaviors you already agree with. IE: Kids who already had violent tendencies became more violent by playing violent video games.

First of all it is entirely dishonest to distill the entire subject down to extreme behaviors such as violence which has major repercussions. Media can easily popularize behaviors and mindsets that do not have obvious present repercussions. Media shifting cultural perceptions of various things is absurdly easy to see just by looking at the past few decades. Training children to be terrified and feel defenseless against threats is not on the same level as making them want to kill someone. It is just a completely dishonest defense to try and lump the two together and say that because one obviously doesn't happen then no other major influences can happen.

>>16186416

>This obviously has a larger effect, but you can't just dismiss everything else.

Yes I can.

People make horror games without defenses because they're getting more popular.

They're getting more popular because people nowadays are increasingly unable to cope with the idea of defending themselves.

Video games ideas don't just magically appear out of nowhere and then control or influence behavior. These ideas come because the behaviors come from people or are put into those people from environmental influences.

I wish instead there was more survival horrors that took the "ammo scarcity" meme and ramped it up to 11. Classic resident evil and silent hill were always reigned as the ones who started it, but honestly, if you play either game even somewhat good, ammo rains from the sky and you'll have piles and piles of ammo you never used by the end, even on hard or "classic/invisible enemy" in the REmake. I also wish that more games magnified the power of guns, in a similar system to this:

>Enemies are constant, sneaking is encouraged but some instances may necessitate elimination

>Only way to kill enemies is with guns, close encounters are a no go

>You can't just shoot wildly at the enemy in the hopes they go down, you have to shoot at their specific weak points, which are very small

>Knowing the weakpoints is vital, and an accurate,and skilled player can one shot most enemies assuming he can remain calm.

>Most encounters are only going to give you 1 to 3 shots before enemies close the distance, so you have limited time to get it right

>Maximum of 5 mags or clips per playthrough, or less depending on the weapon or difficulty

I basically want a game that's similar to most real life situations of "you or them", in which you could turn around to see a bear about 100m off running full speed at you. If you only have an m1911 on hand, .45 ACP to the skull isn't going to cut it, you want to aim for the lungs or heart, which you will have a limited chance to do so.

>>16186416

>This obviously has a larger effect, but you can't just dismiss everything else.

Behavioral conditioning with video games is not well understood and so far most studies that are repeatable show them to be inadequate for emotional conditioning. VR being the exception, but that's because your brain doesn't care about polycounts when thinking what is around you is actually real. What they can be used for, however, is as an observation tool to mo nitor a person's behavior so you can solect the obedient ones from the disobedient. The lack of exercise and being a couch potato is a more severe effect.

Nice job anchoring the thread hotpockets. Not enough nintendo for you?

>>16186576

>from environmental influences

>b-but video games are such an influence

Can't even keep your own narrative straight.