bb3aaa No.16051501
Nothing we didn't already knew, but there are studies behind it now, and not the type of study that sits on the fence like the last one.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190128133626/https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-01/iu-tht012519.php
de17d6 No.16051513
No matter how many studies like this come out, companies will still be retarded.
d08a96 No.16051515
>trying things before you buy makes you more willing to buy things
This is my total lack of surprise.
bb3aaa No.16051527
>>16051513
On that we agree, but somehow i still have hope.
I mean, SEGA supposedly taking denuvo out of catherine and yakuza and capcom taking it out of RE7 along with the time of the study publication maybe mean they actually are thinking about.
4b882d No.16051530
>>16051515
>not reading the article
That's not at all what it's saying.
>While not condoning piracy, Kim and his colleagues were surprised to find that it can actually reduce, or completely eliminate at times, the adverse effect of double marginalization, an economic concept where both manufacturers and retailers in the same supply chain add to the price of a product, passing these markups along to consumers.
>The professors found that, because piracy can affect the pricing power of both the manufacturer and the retailer, it injects "shadow" competition into an otherwise monopolistic market.
>"From the manufacturer's point of view, the retailer getting squeezed is a good thing," Kim said. "It can't mark up the product as before, and the issue of double marginalization diminishes. Vice versa, if the manufacturer gets squeezed, the retailer is better off.
>"What we found is, by both of them being squeezed together – both at the upstream and the downstream levels – they are able to get closer to the optimal retail price that a single, vertically integrated entity would charge."
So in summary it forces them to price fairly, which leads to more sales. It's funny to think that being less greedy results in more profit.
525578 No.16051542
Aren't this 'news' old as fuck? As in, years old?
a0fa0e No.16051547
>>16051530
>economists pretending people act logically
Here's what happens. People buy the same shit, the price being fair or not. The kikes know this.
2320a9 No.16051552
>>16051530
Well, that makes sense. Capitalism relies entirely on competition at every level to be effective. The less competition there is, the less effective it is, in terms of both pricing (Either pricing too high and thus reducing sales, or pricing too low and nor returning viable profit) and quality. Piracy serves as a sort of hidden competitor that is ever-present and in fact grows stronger the more monopolistic its target becomes - people naturally are more comfortable pirating EA's latest shit-heap annual bullshit than they would be the result of one humble jackass working for five years.
>>16051542
That one was mostly about word of mouth and films, if I remember correctly.
>>16051547
Economists assume people will skew more towards logical outcomes regardless of their intellect thanks to averages and simple possibility (as in, who can afford what).
9fb98f No.16051556
cf03cb No.16051560
>Pirate game
>Play it
>Tell your friends how good it was
>They either pirate it or buy it themselves
>Maybe you, too purchase it as well
>Youtuber does a LP of a game
>People watch it
>They do not buy the game unless it's repetitive arcade trash or an online fps
And yet they crack down on piracy instead of LPing
a4e19f No.16051563
If piracy leads to more sales why don't companies pirate their own games for infinite profit?
a4a281 No.16051564
>>16051542
Yes it is. There's been a couple of these studies done now that say the same thing.
I'm not sure why this is noteworthy anymore for an imageboard lurker. Everyone knows this shit by now.
b399f5 No.16051567
Oh my god you colossal faggot just pirate games, who gives a shit?
a4e19f No.16051570
>>16051560
>They do not buy the game unless it's repetitive arcade trash or an online fps
Neither of these things are what the majority of LPs cover, but please by all means continue speaking like you were even alive 15 years ago.
9fb98f No.16051574
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16051563
>why don't companies pirate their own games for infinite profit?
But, Nintendo has been doing that.
6fffd9 No.16051591
What about those who would never buy a video game? Is my shitposting beneficial?
d9ce12 No.16051592
>>16051567
Well Moishe, anyone who actually likes video games cares because this proves that pirates are actively saving video games with their actions.
0f9930 No.16051601
We've had this exact same thread atleast 20 times by now.
>if I'll pirate all my games it will totally boost sales the (((EU))) said so!
>t. OP aka the biggest homosexual on the planet
You're not some kind of martyr if you pirate games nor does anyone care if its morally justified besides you.
9fb98f No.16051609
>>16051601
This isn't the EU study.
f2e32f No.16051612
>>16051601
Stay mad and keep getting scalped faggot.
9517b2 No.16051750
>>16051530
>Allows consumers to be more reasonable when buying products only paying the good devs
>Gives easy access to all form of culture avalible in the world, allowing people to enjoy them more and educate themselves
>Combats monopolies and creates competition when there is none
>Pissess off cucks
>Kicks Jews in the balls by not allowing them to be as greedy as they can
Piracy is the unsung hero of free market. Now go out and download some fucking cars.
ad55cc No.16051775
>>16051750
>tfw my last salvage title might as well have been an illegally downloaded car
d79b5d No.16051850
>companies finally realise that if you put in loads of anti-piracy measures it just fucks over paying customers so you get less sales and pirates still pirate
667b88 No.16051871
We should be angry at this, not happy.
Piracy not hurting the industry is a BAD thing, not a good thing you idiots.
659ab5 No.16051874
Piracy doesn't necessarily help sales in and of itself, since if you give the consumer the available option of just getting something for free or to pay for it - they'll always go for the free option. Piracy only works to boost sales when it's easily circumvented and still illegal to do so - because then you make it just annoying enough to obtain copies to weed out 80% of parties involved because it's not super easy just pushing a button on a trustworthy site. They might put the effort into one or two titles - but you're probably looking at a pareto distribution where 80 or 90% of the software piracy only comes from 10% of the population. But those 10% are enthusiasts willing to risk sketchy sites, deal with unreliable seeds, patch out DRM, set up private servers - etc. And they are the ones who are going to be talking about the product the most on social media and spreading viral advertising via word of mouth. They are going to influence the rest who will seek to pirate a game, and then just be lazy or scared and give up - instead buying the product.
Piracy is only a sales boon when it's uncomfortable to pirate. Allow it, but the hoops to jump through to get pirated material is going to chaff and scare off all but the most dedicated pirates and people who have effectively zero chance of becoming legitimate customers (due to economic factors, government censorship, no localized release, etc). Make it too hard to pirate a game, and you strangle your own viral marketing. Make it too easy, and nobody spends money they don't have to. It's a balance, a casual filter, which doesn't actually effectively stop piracy - but makes it just annoying enough that the bulk of the market would rather just pay a few bucks on sale through an authorized distributor.
e8a8a8 No.16051880
a4e19f No.16051895
>>16051871
No, companies going out of their way to fuck over the remaining idiots who still give them money is a good thing that hurts them in the long run. This news is irrelevant to the industry because the industry will simply ignore it.
5688a9 No.16051921
You don't need to justify pirating everything.
d6a793 No.16051939
>>16051921
the tears from salty buyfags seem like a bonus rather than a justification
f2e32f No.16051944
>>16051933
>prooceds
Jesus I need some sleep
f2e32f No.16051951
>Post deleted for no reason whatsover
Hey Mark, how does it feel to have bought a shitty emulation box
980753 No.16051985
>>16051501
>not a single link to the "research" or the study provided
>no evidence,no proof of any kind
<Disclaimer: AAAS and EurekAlert! are not responsible for the accuracy of news releases posted to EurekAlert! by contributing institutions or for the use of any information through the EurekAlert system
it's almost as bad as any article going
>PIRACY IS DESTROYING THE VADEOGAEMS INDUSTRY
e4c9b6 No.16051991
>>16051921
> the jew, calling people who point out facts about piracy a faggot
e4c9b6 No.16051995
>>16051951
> Mark deleting posts critical of Nintendo
Color me shocked! Shocked!
6abe81 No.16052032
I pirated RE2 for the PC, and now I'm interested the remake, suck it Crapcom
1527b9 No.16052042
>>16052032
The remake sucks go pirate the RE1/3 and code veronica.
4da446 No.16052046
reminder, straight from the cucks mouth
d79b5d No.16052058
>>16052047
he did it because you're a faggot that makes yourself obvious that you're from modern 4chan? atleast try to fit in
08d1b4 No.16052072
Damn it Mark, he was about to say more retarded shit.
f2e32f No.16052089
>>16052072
What did I miss?
980753 No.16052090
>>16052047
>open archive
>type 3 words
>copy link & post it
Oh god you're right,i feel exhausted i'm gonna need a little pick-me-up after this
08d1b4 No.16052126
>>16052089
Halfchan crossposter phlegmed his copypasta (>>16052040), ==TOP KEK== and US The Office memes and was about to spiral into some spectacularly poor damage control.
0c8c1a No.16052254
>>16051530
You're disagreeing with him but you're too retarded to understand that it's exactly what he's saying
1e0e3d No.16052369
>boosts sales
Wow, it's almost like putting out something decent gets you monies. Imagine my shock.
ed22e7 No.16052376
>>16051501
Why can't devs and publishers stop being retarded and go back to releasing demos
c48e88 No.16052412
>>16051939
He says; bawling onto his desk his mother bought him that nobody praised him as a martyr
f2e32f No.16052429
>>16052306
>>16052311
>>16052378
How does it feel to begassed by a jew?
ad12ea No.16052600
>pirate games I won't spend much time on
>buy a handful I really enjoy
>never bother justifying either side being right
These arguments get put forward but everyone forgets to ask that one important question: Who gives a shit?
1dd360 No.16052759
>>16051570
spotted the e-grifter
>>16052046
This guy nails it. Combating piracy is not about recuperating lost sales, it's about suppressing culture and knowledge. Gotta keep people dumb.
ad4ef4 No.16052958
>The professors found that, because piracy can affect the pricing power of both the manufacturer and the retailer, it injects "shadow" competition into an otherwise monopolistic market.
>"What we found is, by both of them being squeezed together – both at the upstream and the downstream levels – they are able to get closer to the optimal retail price that a single, vertically integrated entity would charge."
Kek, this is a fascinating and amusing line of thought.
You niggers should pay attention to this part though
>As with other studies, Kim and his colleagues found that when enforcement is low and piracy is rampant, both manufacturers and retailers suffer. But they caution against becoming overzealous in prosecuting illegal downloaders or in lobbying for more enforcement.
This is more about keeping a balance than eliminating piracy altogether.
900afe No.16052966
>>16051501
This is to get people to stop pirating. Why would we WANT to support kikes, after all?
f1f569 No.16052995
>>16051991
You get called a faggot because you endlessly need to defend yourself for something that nobody gives a crap about and you shouldn't either. Same thing with lolicon.
1048f3 No.16053014
>>16052958
That's what I've always assumed. The healthiest state for the industry is when piracy is possible but moderately inconvenient. Problem is that major vidya publishers are so fucked for other reasons that it'd be better if piracy became universal and the whole thing was just burned to the ground.
9ce91d No.16053147
So is anyone going to explain how they conducted this research, what did they use as a basis for this study, what was the sample size, and where's the actual data?
de2e41 No.16053372
>>16051985
This is my fetish
dc1f2b No.16053419
>>16053372
No it's not.
Give it back.
14cc9e No.16053472
>>16051874
You make an interesting point there, faggot.
I can speak from experience. Some of my friends are shut in autist like me and we pirate everything. By word of mouth, we got some games sold.
Its funny how this works, its not even that hard to pirate a game, 3 or 4 clicks and thats it, but some people are just not up to it I guess.
386e4e No.16053557
>>16053147
It's basically a lit review with some modeling attached
I'm not an econ or business major so I don't know if this is par for the course with their research methods or not
7372b9 No.16053712
>>16051985
More like
>Video game companies just release glorified VNs/Movies filled with propaganda
>Nobody buys or just watch LPers
<Oh god! Sales are bad!
<It's because of piracy! There should have been 50 millions sales!
47250f No.16053753
>>16051574
Is that the rom header thing? Because Nintendo hired a contributor to iNES. And people say Nintendo doesn't hire fans. They've been using the iNES header for fucking decades now, and only the 3DS doesn't use it.
cab3ab No.16053777
Or, developers/publishers can stop being such insufferable faggots and release lengthy demos 2 weeks prior to release. It would end most piracy, boost pre-orders, and boost sales.
5d3f71 No.16053788
There are just as many studies which contradict shit like OPs. Mental gymnastics to justify piracy as a "well ackchuyally" is peak faggotry.
5d3f71 No.16053813
>>16053810
case in point, impotent leftist.
08d1b4 No.16053815
>>16053777 ☑ ☑ ☑
Checking these heavenly tiddies. I want to instate Sharia Law on her territory if you know what I mean.
83fbb4 No.16053818
>industry is bigger with more consumers then ever
>games have been selling more then they ever have in the history of the industry
<"b-but piracy"
Why are Game developers and Publishers so retarded? Why do normalfags buy into this narrative? You don't need study after study regardless of their accuracy to know that the inflated budgets is what making these companies lose money.
610427 No.16053823
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>>16053788
Hey i got a good song for you
9e32ec No.16053850
>>16053753
You got a source to back that up?
3c7d45 No.16054820
What's the pirate's solution to Games-as-a-Service or only online games? Or do you think that's not a big problem because succesful AAA games of 2018 we're all SP anyway which should encourage more SP games in the future?
7af554 No.16054841
>>16051530
>mfw two fags unironically told me I was the cancer killing vidya because I pirated Failout 4 when it came out it was shit
Bet they didn't even know where the term they used came from.
fecf01 No.16054935
Pirate lolis boost game sales.
95bb8d No.16055035
>>16054841
you sure showed em
8e917a No.16055126
>>16054935
You wouldn't pirate a loli
9d3685 No.16055136
Japan found a solution to the piracy "problem" a long fucking time ago, but western markets refuse to accept it: make a series that can sell merchandise to adults. That's it. The autists will keep the artists afloat.
bd0c97 No.16055137
>>16051501
You're kind of cherry picking this:
>"When information goods are sold to consumers via a retailer, in certain situations, a moderate level of piracy seems to have a surprisingly positive impact on the profits of the manufacturer and the retailer while, at the same time, enhancing consumer welfare," wrote Antino Kim, assistant professor of operations and decision technologies at Kelley, and his co-authors.
>As with other studies, Kim and his colleagues found that when enforcement is low and piracy is rampant, both manufacturers and retailers suffer. But they caution against becoming overzealous in prosecuting illegal downloaders or in lobbying for more enforcement.
>"Our results do not imply that the legal channel should, all of a sudden, start actively encouraging piracy," they said. "The implication is simply that, situated in a real-world context, our manufacturer and retailer should recognize that a certain level of piracy or its threat might actually be beneficial and should, therefore, exercise some moderation in their anti-piracy efforts.
So a small amount of piracy can be beneficial in some situations but a large amount is still harmful.
3b846c No.16055146
>>16055137
>but a large amount is still harmful.
Nowhere does the study ever say that.
bd0c97 No.16055152
>>16055146
If you have the pdf post it. Where do you even find academic shit to pirate?
ce5909 No.16055195
2c6c97 No.16055564
>>16055136
How many times has Bethesda tried this, though?
36f755 No.16055587
If I ever release a game I'll make it free and add a donation button!
9ebf86 No.16055590
>>16055152
>Where do you even find academic shit to pirate?
Anywhere you can find v i d e o g a m e s to pirate. Seriously, you can even pirate plotting/data software:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:47yq2o2zbf3t6v2wndtgy3uybofdnltt&dn=Origin%20Pro%208.0&xl=261029935&fc=2
1df6dd No.16056126
>>16055136
>make a series that can sell merchandise to adults.
But anon, most of the West's versions of the geek/nerd/otaku/whatever are SJW's who are not really any of those four things and have only a surface interest in otaku culture. Most of them will never want to get into deeper merchandising and hobbies connected to their latest FotM show. Western markets refuse to accept it because the market isn't there, unfortunately.
1048f3 No.16056184
>>16055136
>but western markets refuse to accept it: make a series that can sell merchandise to adults.
Western publishers have tried this, the problem is that they are unable or unwilling to produce merchandise that's high enough quality to make this model work. They make funko pops instead of nendoroids.
75654a No.16056242
There's pirates and there's niggers.
A pirate plunders with purpose: he selects which targets need sinking, his illicit means being just instruments to satisfy his thirst for adventure. Most importantly: he is aware he's a scoundrel and that not all of society can take his path, that's difficult and harsh in its own way.
A nigger steals everything mindlessly. There is no alternative for him: he is just incompatible with the civilized world, order and honor mean nothing to him. 1. Even after he's stole as much as he can, his primordial hunger is never satisfied. 2. He's too stupid to think of alternatives, but he's aware of his inferiority and becomes highly resentful of others: so he keeps trying to justify his stealing as something beneficial (dinduism).
f2e32f No.16056276
>>16056242
No, there's only pirates
Eat shit
7ab386 No.16056296
>>16053472
>>16051874
what you forget is budget is limited. if you don't have it you wouldn't have bought those games in the first place. if you have it and pirate that budget goes to something else you enjoy (and can't get otherwise etc), either way that money goes to someone.
>Piracy is only a sales boon when it's uncomfortable to pirate.
it's a boost when it's a good product, because shit games don't sales via word of mouth or "demo".
7ab386 No.16056308
>>16055136
>make a series that can sell merchandise to adults.
fuck off, the activison MO of not funding games you can't milk for 10 years is absolute cancer.
also
<Japan found a solution to the piracy "problem" a long fucking time ago,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Japan
de4cc3 No.16056387
>>16051515
Half word of mouth half buying games they've already completed.
ba6e52 No.16056559
>>16051530
It's not so much "being less greedy" as it is "publisher greed clashes with consumer greed"
>publisher wants consumer money
>consumer wants vidya with a minimum of costs, as measured in both dollars and hassle to get it working
>piracy comes with no dollar cost, but a relatively high hassle cost (finding a non-scummy host, waiting for crack, etc.)
>if purchasing's dollar cost can't displace enough of piracy's hassle cost, nobody buys the game and you make no money
>therefore, to make money the price must be reduced to tempt the people who would normally pirate it into buying
>end result: cheap fuken video games
4b882d No.16056577
>>16052254
Nigger what? I have not disagreed or agreed with anyone. I literally do not understand what you're trying to imply.
>>16056559
Fair enough, sounds more logical than what I originally understood it as.
ba6e52 No.16056639
>>16056577
Economics as a whole operates under the basic assumption that everyone who does anything is only doing it for some sort of personal gain, which coincidentally explains why there's so little leftist faggotry there, since centralizing everything keeps the greedy bastards at the center of it all from having to make concessions to the greedy bastards everywhere else.
8bde78 No.16056704
So you guys ==ARE== going to buy the games you enjoyed, right?
08d1b4 No.16056719
>>16056704
>==ARE==
You don't belong here.
de893f No.16056775
>>16056704
Imagine being this affixed to the corporate vidya machine.
Fuck no I'm not, faggot.
36b755 No.16058234
>>16056775
>Fuck no I'm not, faggot.
>MUH SJW DONT BUY GAYMS
You're a nigger, not a pirate.
40b442 No.16058318
>>16051530
>So in summary it forces them to price fairly,
So you're saying piracy makes it so that their monopoly of copyright gets broken down and companies are actually forced to price things fairly?
Wow who would have thunk.
You know, if Blizzard actually let people mod the game or at least trade skins in Overwatch they would be worth about as much as TF2 skins are: ~$2.00 average, with probably some e-sport faggot genji skins being $100. But no, they like it better when kids gamble away mom's credit card and you can't do anything with the stuff they don't want.Of course, i don't like TF2's system either. I'd prefer if skins/gear were a measure of time you had spent in the game and gained through your achievements like the good old days used to be.
All the faggot streamers these days showing off their Fortnite skins are no better than Ricegum showing off his Gucci wristwatch and Rolex underwear to eleven year olds.
67ee76 No.16058337
>>16058234
>Imagine being this affixed to the corporate vidya machine.
Imagine being this much of a nigger that you don't even buy the one good game we get every couple of years.
62f3d0 No.16058349
How is this shocking at all?
>listen to a song you like on Youtube
>get into the band
>decide you want to support the artist so you buy it
Same for vidya games and same for movies
fe48a6 No.16058361
>study finds that niggers actually boost sales
388c0f No.16058474
>>16058325
>zyzz
even while he was a fucking retard and tried to grow a cult of personality on /fit/
F
08d1b4 No.16058515
>>16058474
They look like fucking Bogdanoffs.
6eec47 No.16058667
If piracy actually hurt anything then the industry wouldn't be richer now then it was 20 years ago. Same with Jewood. Piracy is just an excuse they make to try and squeeze every last shekel from the stupid goys that they can, but in reality they make more money now then in any other time in history
00e16b No.16058704
>>16058474
Their jawlines rival Mr. Satan
ab0737 No.16058717
I believe everyone should have access to entertainment regardless of socioeconomic status. That's why I'm paying for a seedbox.
Ofcourse I only seed things I care about so if you're looking for undubbed JRPGs I have you covered, but if you want something mainstream you're SOL.
b45be5 No.16061086
Exposure of good games boosts sales. Exposure of bad games makes people not want to buy them.
That's why they're so defensive. They know a good amount of their games just aren't up to snuff.
b45be5 No.16061098
>>16055195
In short, you make good figurines, and you charge highly for them, instead of just producing horrible Funko trash. At least for now, you can't pirate a figurine.
90b3cc No.16062789
>>16051501
>>16051513
Piracy only boosts sales of games that are actually good. Since most modern games are complete shit sold purely on hype and marketing, companies will still fight it.
9d6a91 No.16063667
>>16051527
they put out into RE2 a few days ago
24ec5c No.16079460
RE2 sold better than monster hunter world for this reason.
1eccfc No.16079528
i dont buy games because i dont want to waste money
8a494c No.16080098
>>16061098
3D printers.
It's inevitable
7063c9 No.16080130
Are they confusing correlation with causation? Popular things are going to be pirated more.
02d536 No.16080876
>>16080130
>correlation with causation
t. kike
The few pirates are fucking insignificant compared to the normalfags they influence.
Normalfags don't pirate anything.
Hell, they are lucky if they don't get tricked by email spam scare mails and pay some random faggot in bitcoin.
f1f569 No.16081030
>>16080876
That's not true. Normalfags love to pirate movies. They also love to watch unlicensed music and videos on youtube. This is why you should never listen to normalfags because they are hypocrites.
02d536 No.16081045
>>16081030
>love to pirate movies.
Where? On Youtube?
02d536 No.16081053
>>16081030
I knew a person who unironically watched anime on YT instead of other websites or torrenting it.
On his phone
with limited bandwidth
202eff No.16081817
>>16081053
Thelowest life form on the planet is the anti-piracy shill who goes to sites like kissanime. At least torrent it, fuckers, going to those streaming piracy sites EXPLICITLY GIVES MONEY TO THE WRONG PEOPLE.
7b59e9 No.16081891
>>16081817
I think crunchyniggers are actually worse.
9a7a2e No.16083223
>>16081891
You are correct, and that's before those trannys made their own dumb steven kikeverse knock off.
b45be5 No.16083246
>>16080098
We've still got at least ten years on that though.
ba6e52 No.16093444
>>16081891
I'd say they're about the same
>pirate streaming fags go to ad-ridden shitholes who get paid for having people on their site, creators get nothing
>crunchyfags pay crunchyroll to sit on the rights to dub/sub, which they bought from the publisher, both of which take their own, massive cut before they even consider paying the creator
Either way the creator gets screwed out of their money, the only difference is whether the money goes to a site like ebaumsworld or a bunch of japanese suits and sanfran office faggots.
200951 No.16094416
>>16081817
Fucking plesioth, absolutely worse than lavasioth