/v/ - Video Games

Look for any weaknesses.

Hope may seem lost. The shills have mobilized their defenses and are using the fact that Hatsuu as well as others who have worked on trails before have been recruited for Cold Steel 3. Just remember. We do not know the capacity of their work on this game under NISA rule. We do not know exactly when they started working for NISA. If they had started right when this announcement happened or even slightly before, they have to edit and text from the year before assuming NISA had started working on CS3 in 2017. If they had started recently then they only have until fall to finish the game.

What I’m saying is they have not had the time nor will they have the time to do a good job on the translation side of things. Especially not when you take into consideration Cold Steel 3 is the beefiest game in the series. Present facts and logic to defeat the shills. If you are blocked on twatter, show that off to others who will pay attention. Get more voices on our side.

You may get frustrated with the shills, but don’t give up. Don’t give in. Keep fighting. This is the civil war that has been building.

>>16010983

>>16011036

There's no way they don't shit this out as quickly and cheaply as possible, otherwise they'll make basically no profit. I fully expect marketing to be obnoxious "Like game of thrones with mechs XD." Fortunately I don't really care any more either way but I hope it's a giant catastrophe just for the salt.

>>16011055

Anon, they've been working on the game for 1 full year.

>>16011140

Proof that they have been? I thought they only got it in the last few months

copy-pasting from the gg thread but here's a list of places to mobilize, and some places to contact Falcom once we've got something going

To start with, Falcom's twitter, faceberg and support page seem to be possible contacts:

https://twitter.com/NihonFalcom

Falcom contact form:

https://www.falcom.co.jp/support/index.php?content=support

Japanese Falcom Official Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/falcom.co.jp

Falcom Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/nihonfalcom1981/

Places to mobilize:

(Falcom subleddit, its mixed when it comes to anything NISA related, maybe half hate them and the other half hate the people who hate them since they're eager to suck cock. Show lots of evidence, be gentle but firm in your tone since these people are limp-dicked faggots who don't respond well to harsh words)

old.reddit.com/r/falcom

Cuckchan's Falcom general (not linking that one but I assume its on their /vg/)

Gamefaqs and GBATemp (GBA temp is probably one of the best places, Gamefaqs too to gather support)

gamefaqs.please use archive.is

gbatemp.net/threads/nis-america-to-bring-trails-of-cold-steel-iii-west-this-year.529101/

The JRPG subleddit (be more careful with these subleddits, use gentler tones and show lots of evidence of fuckups since they're generally against action and hostility)

old.reddit.com/r/jrpg

Nintendo Switch subleddit (no idea how these people are, they're the ones who bought Ys VIII and lapped it up afaik but there might still be some reasonable people who aren't just eager to eat whatever is on the plate before them)

http://old.reddit.com/nintendoswitch

Perhaps the PS4 subleddit (like all subleddits, you have to be "gentle" with your tone, but firm and clear with lots of evidence since ledditors are naturally against action, the PS4 subleddit even more so)

http://old.reddit.com/r/ps4

The (((Steam))) communities (no idea how helpful they will be, but I'm assuming there will be something of possible value here)

old.reddit.com/r/steam

steamcommunity.com/app/251150/reviews/?browsefilter=toprated (Trails in the Sky steam page, you can also let the Ys and ToCS portions of them know)

Siliconera (eh, lots of normalfags, some NISA cocksuckers but there's still potential if you're "polite" and whatnot, important thing is gathering people)

siliconera . com

Nichegamer, Operationrainfall, OneangryGamer (these will be more sympathetic to action)

http://nichegamer.com/

http://oneangrygamer.net/

http://operationrainfall.com/

A big one is KiA that might be helpful

old.reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction

If you can think of any social media places like faceberg, use those as well.

facebook.com/NihonFalcom

I hear NISA is hated around here. Something about bugs and rewritten scripts. So then, what are even some good alternatives to NISA? It seems like every western localization company like NISA or Treehouse has a bad rep here.

Supposedly NISA hired the translators that worked on 1 and 2. I now want to see how they'll manage to fuck it up (because there is no doubt in my mind that they will) with all these competent people they poached off XSeed.

And considering Tom, cucked as he was, is not around anymore the reign in his colleagues they'll likely pozz the game up as much as possible.

>>16011155

Back in the sticky someone mentioned the falcom email only returned an error message, does anyone know? Not like I could write them in Japanese, though.

I'm just thinking, though, is there much meaning in me telling Falcom I won't be buying their game because of NISA? They won't cancel their contract NOW. But potentially Falcom could open their eyes in time for future titles, I dunno.

Shit sucks, Falcom really fucked up.

Has there been any information about the good people that were involved in doing the first two CS PC ports? CS I and II ran fucking beautifully on PC and my main concern with NISA is how little they care about the tech. Ys VIII should have had a launcher, it should have been given the love and attention that a Ys title deserves.

>>16011140

Please substantiate your claims as there has been much speculation on this point in the previous thread.

>>16011185

Learn to read, nigger.

It's really, truly, unironically, finally time for me to learn moon runes. If the unprecedented localization clusterfuck of Ys VIII did not drive a wedge between NISA and Falcom, nothing ever will.

>>16011140

So what? When you have the quality control and reputation for cutting corners like Nisa, chances are even if they run into problems they'll still shove it out the door.

>>16011187

Do it. If Falcom values their western customers are all it will make an impact. I suspect them going with Nisa in the first place was motivated by greed so as long as nisa can deliver on this front (which they seem to have been regardless of quality of product) then I doubt it will have much impact, but there is literally nothing to lose.

>>16011196

Gee, thanks. That was so helpful.

>>16011187

That was me.

Just try sending an email to them though and see if yours sends at all

I just sent a google-translated message and an english message underneath it

>>16011185

PQube, XSEED, Idea Factory International (they're my favorite tbh), Atlus, Sega, Nintendo of Europe, Playism, Play-Asia's english language localizers and to a lesser extent Koei Tecmo and Aksys. They all have some varying degrees of problem, but they're all far better than NISA. Among indies and freelancers there's more but they don't really handle that kind of stuff, places like MangaGamer, Jast and whatnot

>>16011186

Brittany also was anti-censorship (not as vocal as Tom, but still noteworthy), and she certainly won't allow anything to happen to the best of her abilities in terms of censorship in Kiseki. That's pretty much her localization baby.

Though its unknown how much power she has, if any over NISA. Hell we don't even know if she's actually working there for more than a fucking week.

>>16011225

Oh and Spike Chunsoft recently had their western branches open up. They're new so I don't know how good or bad they are yet, but that automatically makes them better than NISA simply by benefit of the doubt

>>16011225

>>16011229

Oh, and SNK does their own in-house translations. Problem is their distributors could be anyone at any point in time, such as SNK heroines being by NISA.

505 Games is something I've heard little problems about as of yet

>>16011271

Fucking Gematsu running damage control for them.

>>16011271

Yeah, these roles aren’t significant and decisions can be overridden at any time by NISA higher ups.

>>16011285

Brittany especially will likely be used as a pawn. Not a project manager, nor considered an actual localization editor, just a freelance one implying it can (and probably will be cut), plus she's not handling anything with QA nor graphic text localizing

Leaves me to wonder who the project managers, lead editors and translators are, and I have a bad feeling they're NISA regulars ready to abuse their seniority on what are essentially PR scabs.

>>16011271

>>16011285

And none of the programming staff like Sara who is still at xseed games.

>>16011301

So is Brittany just on as a contractor and not as a hired employee of NISA? How many peanuts do you think she's getting for her work? Fuck.

>>16011316

Well keep in mind that XSEED usually worked heavily with outsourced/contracting teams and people like Durante when they did their ports

>So is Brittany just on as a contractor and not as a hired employee of NISA?

That's what I don't know. The "Localization Producer" part almost sounds like a normal position, but the fact that they specifically pointed out the "freelance editor" part makes me wary, and it sucks that she doesn't have a stronger role in controlling this dumpster fire.

Even if they wanted to make a good translation, which I don't doubt those three at least want to, there's going to be a flood of things holding them back without autonomy, and that tranny translator said specifically that NISA treats their translators like dogshit in general and basically leads their work to ruin

>>16011271

>>16011301

The fact that they're pushing them to the front almost definitely means it's a PR move and the positions are most likely superficial. Just like how they hired Urushihara as a "consultant" when they fucked up the art in the re-release of the langrisser series.

>>16011316

She probably jumped on naively thinking she could at least save part of the project.

>>16011334

NISA isn't XSEED. NISA are likely the single most incompetent company in the gaming industry right now. They are staffed by mouthbreathing fuckwits that should have been strangled in the crib, whose parents should have been sterilized before they had the chance to breed and then shot in the head for being such subhuman filth.

The fact NISA keeps existing and shitting up everything they touch is just proof God hates us.

>Localization Producer

It just sounds like a corporate made-up title to fool people and lure fans into a false sense of security. It's the same shit as calling a paperboy a "Media Distribution Officer", or a booth collector a "Coin Facilitation Engineer".

She's get paid a pittance to say good things about the project and to have her name in the credits while NISA does what NISA does best, namely fuck up.

>>16011365

>>16011369

They must be trolling at this point. There's no way you consistently do this.

>>16011375

Do you think Mao was trolling when he starved a 100 million of his own countrymen to death?

About the only thing leftists are good at is fucking up.

>>16011369

>>16011365

Fucking christ are you kidding me

>>16011371

I'm aware, when did I say they weren't?

Localization Producer is a common, vagueish title in the localization industry

I guess we'll see what happens, but right now its looking worse by the second

>>16011407

Its not like anyone is spreading out our speculation in infographics, relax anon.

For here NISA's track record is enough, the fact that they're still fucking up on basic marketing material makes them look worse by the second.

>>16011402

>I guess we'll see what happens

Anon, I have more faith that Hitler will arrive in Europe with a fleet of ships from Argentina, ready to usher in the Fourth Reich and deliver us from this Hell on Earth, than I have that NISA will, by some freak accident, actually deliver a viable product.

When I said they're the single worst company in the gaming industry I wasn't using hyperbole. I genuinely believe they are, and this despite some incredibly fierce competition.

>>16011407

I don't give a flying fuck about the dubs. What you're basically telling me is that they're next to useless, all they'll be doing is smearing the feces NISA shits out around a little more and putting some glitter on top.

NISA will still be doing the translation, and no amount of VA will improve the trainwreck.

>we need evidence

That's like asking why people here don't believe communism will ever work. We know the answer, same as we know why NISA will fuck up. We look back into the past and can ascertain they always fuck up.

>>16011420

>When I said they're the single worst company in the gaming industry I wasn't using hyperbole. I genuinely believe they are, and this despite some incredibly fierce competition.

Worst localizers for sure. I will not question you in that regard.

But they haven't crashed HIGH BUDGET game series in the name of social justice.

>>16011417

Not even the mouthbreathers over on reddit can summon any enthusiasm for this announcement. Even those fuckwits know the game is fucked.

>>16011429

>But they haven't crashed HIGH BUDGET game series in the name of social justice.

They're so incompetent they introduced a bug with their (((localization))) that could actually melt down your console.

>But they haven't crashed HIGH BUDGET game series in the name of social justice.

They've shat up every single franchise that was unlucky enough to fall into their claws. Not even EA can boast of such a feat.

>>16011209

Do it anon, do it to avoid meme translations that most certainly will be used in this release. I also suggest people keep an eye on kitsunes excel spreadsheet and what we get in fall. I wouldnt be surprised if nisa was that lazy

>>16011334

>>16011340

Well given how developers pay and working conditions/rights has been attracting mainstream attention, pointing out the shitty deal freelancers or contractors get might be more palpable for people to understand. It would be nice if someone could get in touch with these guys to find out what the situation is exactly. Also, raising the point that there are none of the original programming staff invloved in CS III is a a good idea.

>>16011407

>The real question is how much have they been involved and we simply can't know yet.

Exactly. Can a burger please larp as a journo and get an interview with hatsuu or someone?

>>16011420

>We know the answer

No we don't and you're not going to convince anyone this way. Something strange has happened and I want to know the exact details of behind these circumstances.

>>16011447

>No we don't

Fuck you.

I know NISA will fuck this up just as I know /leftypol/ are subhumans or that the Holocaust isn't real.

>>16011447

I wouldn't be surprised about NDAs and whatnot. That tranny translator seemed to be under one, or something for example and who knows what kind of vile and draconian contracts NISA has them under

If anyone is one of those discordniggers with access to them, they should find out

>get an interview immediately after the announcement

Unlikely to happen

>>16011453

Evidence is important no matter what anon. Don't get so angry about this that you forget that basic, key principle. We all know this, but outside of here there's only a few places that people will agree with you based on that.

>>16011447

>Can a burger please larp as a journo and get an interview with hatsuu or someone?

We might not need to. I heard floofy got an interview and we might learn something from that.

>>16011463

Didn't they add political memes like and change character personalities in Danganronpa V3?

>>16011467

I doubt it will be anything substantial. Especially if what we fear to be true, is true. If their positions are largely PR, then they will DEFINITELY be under NDA until well after the release of the game. Still it will be telling by the language used.

>>16011460

>Evidence is important no matter what anon

Oh, I agree, if only in principle.

As others have pointed out, if the Ys VIII debacle didn't make Falcom wise up, nothing will. The same fuckwits that have been keeping NISA afloat by buying their garbage will buy this piece of shit too, a bunch more people will likely get burned by NISA and begin opposing them, yet not in numbers big enough to make a substantial difference.

In the end NISA will make a buck, again, and will be free to shit up this franchise, like they did so many others, again. XSEED is likely going to out of business soon enough anyway, considering they've been bleeding staff, haven't had all that many projects, and what staff remains politically compromised.

In the end every single Western release of a niche Japanese game will be shat up by NISA or their leftist colleagues, while Sony does their best to ruin the Japanese home market.

So, while I do view your quest for proof as commendable, I simply don't believe it will do much in the end. We all know what the only real solution here is.

>>16011468

No idea, I never kept up with the Danganronpa shit. Wouldn't be surprised.

>>16011468

I'm kinda glad I didn't play that. 1, 2 and despair girls were enough for me.

>>16011365

Only just started scrolling down and see this. If this is any indication of what translation will be like its a fucked series. Changing names because it sounds or fits better will fuck up so much story. Wasnt there something to do with spetium that was changed and such because it wasnt accurate in prior games? I mean how do we know nisa wont just change whatever either from laziness or pure fuckery.

>>16011483

Im not sure why youre getting so much flack for muh evidence. If history hasnt shown people how awful nisa is in terms of translations and rushed quality, im not sure what will. There is so much evidence from nisa that shows their translations are shit. I highly suggest never buying a falcom game and only resorting to piracy. The japs couldnt care less about western appeasement and so we have no obligation to care about them. Xseed for all its faults and whatnot cared about the series through 5 games and made some insanely good pc ports which a jrpg never sees. When it gets thrown to nisa like this because the two leaders are friends and after the ys8 debacle, it just shows they dont give a fuck. Im not sure why anyone has hope this will be a good translation effort.

>>16011483

>XSEED haven't had all that many projects

How much do they have left that isn't old non-Marvelous titles? Because Marvelous titles (them literally being the Marvelous America branch) are all that I can see at this point. So Senran Kagura and Fate/Extella.

>>16011508

From what I understand saying Dude like that is the catchphrase for their stupid penguin.

>>16011515

Its not the penguin. Its the fact its called the LEGACY of heroes. Its a blatant disregard for 5 games before it and combined with their tweet is telling. After nisas fuck ups in the past its not funny nor ironic if theyre doing it as a joke.

>>16011526

That's their marketing department being complete dipshits to make not one, but TWO title errors within two days of announcing the damn game. The first was #TrialsofColdSteel

>>16011531

Thats precisely what im saying. If the most important factor of selling a game (marketing it) is not done properly, who the fuck thinks the game will be any better. At what point do people finally go enough is enough fuck nisa and their shitty work. never because for a series like this boycotts never work

>>16011526

People will probably defend this as fahnny joke.

>>16011543

You know, one of the weirdest things about the NISA shills is how hard they're defending the marketing mishaps. Two errors of THE DAMN GAME'S TITLE during the announcement phase?

<B-buh it's not the marketing people's job to know these things, just get off your high horse!

This "Marketing Director" needs to be fucking fired after mishaps like this! Especially when THEY FUCKING KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE HATED.

>>16011467

How hard would it be for a burger to drive out that way and look for Brittany? I know it's gay of me to ask this of someone since I can't do it myself, and this will sound even more gay; but I really would interview Ryan, Kris, Brittany, and other XSEED employees about just what exactly the fuck is going on. I at least would like to explore the income angle if they would be so kind as to give that information up, even if it were to be off the record.

>>16011483

>I simply don't believe

Then you have already lost. Take up arms. Kill em all.

>>16011531

Maybe if XSEED had a competent marketing department we wouldn't even be in this situation.

>>16011543

>who the fuck thinks the game will be any better.

Some people don't see it this way or even notice the errors. It's about how lucky they are that some one is translating their favorite games. Now there is some merit to this idea but not when we had a team that was already doing an excellent job of translating and porting Falcom titles before NISA took them. It must be emphasised that NISA is a hostile force that has predated on XSEED by poaching their games and their talent.

>>16011567

>it's not the marketing people's job to know these things

It actually fucking is. It's their job to know the name of the product they're marketing.

>when THEY FUCKING KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE HATED

I guarantee you they genuinely believe all the haters are a minority of Trump supporters and Neo Nazis.

>>16011576

>Take up arms. Kill em all.

You need more than one person to run a concentration camp.

>>16011576

I feel terrible enough for any anons misfortunate enough to live in california

>Maybe if XSEED had a competent marketing department we wouldn't even be in this situation.

What does XSEED's marketing department have to do with NISA having more money/capital than them?

>It must be emphasised that NISA is a hostile force that has predated on XSEED by poaching their games and their talent.

Yep.

>>16011567

That exactly my point. I get its just a game, but its a business. Can you imagine any other company that was relatively hated for its products pull something like this? I imagine they would be fired for something like this but a company that revolves around games doesnt need to worry because standards are so sub-par for this group of individuals. First it was

>oh well nisa will do a good job, im hopeful it will be decent/at least we're getting the game at all/who cares if its not that great

to now after xseed employees being shown

>oh yay im fully expecting a good release/im not optimistic the game will be good/i cant wait take my soul

i mean with people like this, shill or not, an industry can get away with slinging shit at your face and knowing at most youll word an email that theyll block and maybe just maybe not buy the game. If people are anything but angry at nisa getting this game, then it simply shows the standards are completely removed from this subset of individuals. To them its not about the quality of a game, its about getting a game right now because they cant wait for someone to put care and effort into the game. People can be as hopeful as they want but i will continue to sit here and tell you the game will never be the same as it once was when you have a company who cant even spell check a tweet or slide for accuracy.

>>16011588

No, I was actually asking you to kill everyone at NISA. Send them a bomb!

>>16011595

>What does XSEED's marketing department have to do with NISA having more money/capital than them?

XSEED being shit at marketing their games has already been established. A lot of money is not required for an effective perception management campaign.

>>16011615

Consider that PUBG was the single most profitable game this year, making more than a billion dollars, that FIFA is the second most profitable game, and that Rockstar is still making enough money off GTAO to place the game in the top 10 most profitable games of the year.

Just goes to show most humans should be gassed before they reach the age of 12.

>>16011636

Yea i know anon. I was strictly speaking about fans of this series and their standards, but a global look at people who play games basically shows that the average "standard", if you will, is equivalent to that of a pig eating shit. Sadly until gaming becomes a niche, looked down on hobby those standards will remain in place.

>>16011649

>It's about time that we kill ourselves

You can lead by example /leftypol/.

>>16011638

>>16011649

Get the fuck out of here faggot. I know youre a shill getting paid to say this same old line when people seem to be at their most vulnerable but anyone with a lick of sense can spot your bullshit before you even post. Done replying to bait posts and i suggest everyone else filters and reports

>>16011634

I'm saying what does XSEED's marketing, however poor it may be, have to do with NISA getting this game? They got it because they were able to outbid XSEED, which more had to do with their size and money reserves. (I don't think their marketing is that poor either, seems about average to me for a company. They have only a little less reach than NISA more or less, with more twitter followers but slightly less youtube and facebook subscribers which is pretty impressive given how much smaller they are than them.

Senran Kagura is basically the poster child of fanservice games and has been for a while. NIS America's flagship isn't really more or less well-known than them, and their other IPs can mostly go head to head with each other in terms of name recognition among gamers afaik. The last other big name NIS America had was Danganronpa which is over

>>16011664

I think it was less about NISA offering more money and more about NISA undercutting XSEED by offering a cheaper cost of localization, localization in more languages and simultaneous release on both PC and console.

The fact Falcom didn't tell them to fuck off after they basically fucked up every aspect of the release of Ys VIII just goes to show they're faggots that don't deserve any support.

>>16011671

>simultaneous release on both PC and console.

They did that for Ys VIII.

No sign of PC release for Cold Steel.

>>16011671

This is my biggest issue with nisa getting cs3. Nisa already has shown falcom theyre incredible fuck ups, but falcom said fuck it and gave them the series even though xseed was more than capable of doing it. I bet tom left to teach because he was tired of translating tit games and having known for some time xseed didnt have cs3 there was no reason to stay. I put the blame solely on falcom for this as xseed was fully capable of doing it and has a solid track record for the series.

>>16011671

I heard it was NISA outbidding them (straight from Tom iirc), combined with NISA adding in those extras such as the French localization to sweeten the deal. It also doesn't help that Kondo is apparently friends with NIS/A's president either. I didn't hear anything about a cheaper cost of localization, which I dont really know what that would have to do with Falcom since NISA wants their contract. A lower cost of localization would affect NISA's earnings, not Falcom's. Then again, I'm not entirely sure what goes into those contracts to begin with.

And yes, I'm tempted to agree with your latter part. This whole thing really pisses me off.

It feels like a slap in the goddamn face for all western fans.

>>16011680

No they fucking didn't the fuck are you talking about?

Unless you're saying they claimed that?

>>16011680

>No sign of PC release for Cold Steel.

NISA takes Bethesda's approach to development. If you can't make something work just remove it.

>>16011690

>I didn't hear anything about a cheaper cost of localization

I might have gotten that part wrong.

>A lower cost of localization would affect NISA's earnings

Yeah, but NISA might be going for the Amazon approach. Use their greater capital to take a hit on profits to drive competition out of the business by taking over all their most profitable contracts.

>Unless you're saying they claimed that?

IIRC Falcom didn't like how long it had taken for XSEED to ship out the PC port. It's especially puzzling because Falcom did a lot of their releases in Japan on both PCs and consoles, so they should have some idea of the challenges involved.

I guess if they're dumb enough to trust NISA they're dumb enough to believe they could do a better job of porting the games than XSEED despite all proof to the contrary.

>>16011664

I don't know.

>Maybe if XSEED had a competent marketing department we wouldn't even be in this situation.

I am speculating that if XSEED had more effective marketing, meaning that if they had more sales, NISA wouldn't have been given the rights to the Trails and Ys series. I'm trying to make sense of this fucking bullshit.

>>16011717

>>16011717

I heard it might have been because XSeed turned down Tokyo Xanadu because they didn't want to have to the vita version as well (they only wanted to do the Ex version for PS4 and PC) but Falcom was insisting on it, and because XSeed said Falcom started to sour on them.

It's entirely possible that NISA got the CS3 license along with Ys 8. It would explain the information drought about a western release.

>>16011776

Most people seem to say they've had it almost since the game came out in Japan at least.

>>16011468

Yep there is a reference to fake news and Bane posting

>>16012114

Honestly I think the scariest outcome at this point would be the CS3 localization being passable.

>>16012192

But that will only happen if the NISA part actually gives a shit about doing a good job. And that's completely impossible, even if they do get a good chunk of the team and all the actors.

>>16012213

I said passable, not good. That's a synonym for mediocre. Which, if I'm being truly honest, isn't outside the realm of possibility. Because unless there's some really out there shit like "big hole" and "merciless shivering vase" it's hard to make punchlines. People are laughing at "Legacy of Heroes" but it's also being waved away as "just marketing."

>>16012262

And I said "giving a shit about doing a good job," not that doing so would actually make a good localization, it only would be passable at best. Because you know they didn't give a shit with Ys VIII.

>>16012192

Impossible. Especially with the size of the script and the time left NISA has to shit out the translation.

>>16012633

I honestly don't know how NISA recovered from that 19-22% rating they once had on Steam. That honestly should've torn them to pieces.

Its 61% now, and I'm fucking furious.

I blame the Switch audience honestly for buying up Ys VIII and presumably making back all the lost sales and disastrous launch of the PC version in the interim. They're very hungry for games and Ys VIII, while having a cancerous localization and meh launch on the Switch, weren't big enough to stop their natural hunger for lapping up anything they can find. Ys VIII seems like the perfect game for Switch users to gush over, especially retards who are unaware of NISA's cancer.

>>16012667

Maybe, but even if it wasn't, financial damage to NISA and possibly by extension Falcom might've resulted in a nice lesson for the latter, and a caution for the former about dealing with such a hostile, high-standards fanbase

but it didn't seem to be enough apparently.

Well, it forced them to bring on these 3 people, but whether as PR scabs, temporary workers to test the waters, or as legitimate employees (HA) is unknown. Either way I feel bad for them working for NISA. According to the tranny and other people, NISA is shit to work for, and they basically fuck their translators and employees over frequently. Hell they fucked all of Durante's work out. Makes you realize that they're not above using people's names to manipulate fans. Otherwise, why would they fucking hire him for a fucking week to begin with

>>16012813

>everyone

Not true actually, Nisa only gets by with their whale customers. They don't do that well financially T B H

>>16012819

Anon, that's the blackpillfag TORpedo. He's not here to genuinely discuss things. He's here with the specific goal to shit up the thread. Don't respond to him.

>>16012931

The appeal of someone shooting all these wretches grows with each day

its not like they contribute anything to society anyways, who would fucking miss them?

Until Ys 8 has a fixed translation and port I'm not buying or playing any other Falcom titles. What a convenient time since all the upcoming Falcom titles are effectively unplayable while NISA's got their hands on it and the only ones I haven't played were CS2 and onwards, and Ys 8. What great timing.

On a more positive note I really like Nayuta no Kiseki and I think it's an infintely superior game to Ys Seven and Memories of Celceta and I really wouldn't have minded if this was the new Ys gameplay style. Ranged abilities to level up, while melee attacks and techniques are a one time upgrade and you get movement abilities that also serve as dungeon keys. It's pretty well made and the music is excellent. Compare this to say Ys Seven's final dungeon ost(The Place Where Souls Return) and it's even got a superior final dungeon track. Christ what went wrong with Seven and MoC?

>>16012931

Has this fucktard spent their entire week on twitter just shilling for NISA?

>>16011440

Wat are the odds they will call Valimar "the white knight"?

>>16012864

You know he's right. Everyone knows he's right. This shit is forever a lost cause.

>>16012931

All the more proof that we shouldn't even bother changing things for the better. Oir efforts will be wasted 100% of the time.

>>16012931

But NISA didn't fix the translation. It was still shit after they redid it, just marginally less so.

>>16013179

You're right, it's all hopeless. We should all just kill ourselves. You go first faggot.

>>16012977

There's literally no excuse to support nisa even if you have no willpower not to play their broken releases you can at least buy it second hand or pirate their shit. I will be severely disappointed if any of the regulars in this thread decide to buy it new.

>>16013019

You know even though his name literally has the word 灰 in his name I wouldn't fucking be surprised.

>>16013179

>Just give up goy!

>Trust Nisa!

>Stop thinking and just preorder goy!

You give me even more fuel to not only not buy this title but never buy a falcom game ever again.

>>16013019

After this comment id probably mildy laugh and go back to playing sora no kiseki to get the gist of terms so i can enjoy a cold steel in moonrune. The series is dead to me in english now.

I don't know how in 1 day a game I would have bought a Playstation 4 for + Preordered would have been a "maybe" buy for me. Maybe it's because I can just read a story synopsis (and have already read a story synopsis) mixed with the fact that I'm tired and going to wait for an eventual localization of Crossbell (which is getting less and less likely) from happening.

Thanks Falcom/NISA/XSeed you all suck dick.

>>16012977

They are a huge shill for NISA. The reason being thier frog friends get to play jap games from them. That's it. That is the only reason.

>>16012262

>People are laughing at "Legacy of Heroes"

>NISA already has the rights to CS4

>CS3 translation becomes an utter garbage fire

>Falcom quietly tries to buy back the rights to CS4 and sell it to literally any other localization company

>>16014595

Ha, By then the damage will be done and no one will want to buy falcom games anymore.

>>16014636

That's totally fair I already want to start pirating some of these games because of this

>>16014741

We already did. It was half and half on Thursday. The stunt hires did what they were supposed to.

>>16014741

We just have to wait for this to bomb as i really doubt there are any falcom fans on the ps4, Sadly xseed seem to be relying on cold steel on ps4 to carry them, But i think they will just be the cannery in the coal mine.

Man Ys Origin had some sick synth tracks.

>>16014823

>I really doubt there are falcom fans on PS4

The hell are you talking about? Its the main console for Falcom games, as Sony's generally have been for a while

>>16015290

Actually I suppose it was mainly the PS vita, the PS4 only came after Sony's fuckery

>>16015979

Wow, this guy has a fifth arm between his legs.

>>16017573

Grab the jp copies of sora no kiseki, grab a text hooker, and learn japanese. Anons will say "burying your head in sand" but id rather not deal with nisa and their shit while also being able to understand the games from the language they were written in. It may spread to japan, sure, but history always shows extremes in either direction always result in a normalization period. Just wait till the crash and while waiting learn japanese and play a backlog of 30 years of games you never were able to play due to language barrier.

any hopes fans will retranslate cold steel 3 when they fuck up?

I dont have any

>>16018182

Depends on how massively they fuck up, if it's just mediocre then people probably won't bother.

>>16018182

Sounds like it might be too big of a project for Trails, depends how much needs fixing, I suppose.

Anons here were able to fix the worst parts of the script of some of the Neptunia games, which were memefied by NISA and ex-NISA, and it was worth doing at least.

>>16018195

It's sort of reminds me of the DangitRonPaul ports. They're the exception to how often NiSA screws up though.

>>16013748

>going to wait for an eventual localization of Crossbell

The fan translated versions are perfectly fine, I just finished Zero and started Ao. There are a few typos here and there but other than that they're surprisingly competent. If you use the PC versions be sure to use Borderless Gaming.

>>16018312

I will always be thankful to /nep/ for the work on re birth 2 and 3.

>>16018344

On that note, starting to port/publish by themselves was the best decision Idea Factory has ever made, even if their own ports weren't perfect and some of the NISA cancer spilled over via the translation editors.

Falcom really walked into a steaming pile of shit now.

>>16018337

NISA didn't handle the PC ports for the danganronpa games. 1 2 and UDG were handled by a small company and SpikeChun handled V3.

I have 0 hope for the localization industry. XSeed isn't known to be shit–yet. Tom and Brittany both gone. Tom, who used to keep the staff in check when it comes to censorship. Tom who stuck to his principals and removed his name from a game release because the game was censored, no matter how hard he tried to fight XSeed staff on the matter.

Those same staff are likely still at XSeed. We don't even know what they would do with a new Falcom game if they got their hands on it. We don't know if the new guy from SEGA will even try to fight them on certain matters.

XSeed is a wildcard as it stands.

NISA has always been shit, and will likely CONTINUE to be shit. Because people are stupid, thinking that this giant corporation is "doing them a favor" or "performing a miracle" for them bringing across the game, so they'll keep paying actual money. Real money. Money that they worked for. For a shitty product. And then defend that product and the company with shit-stained teeth.

There's still Treehouse, Aksys, and whatever shit-pulling localizer there is.

Only SEGA seems pretty much okay, and that's mostly how they handle Yakuza and Persona–Except now we have Sony's gestapo coming in and attempting to get games censored on both developer and localization level.

Apparently even the new Catherine release had to dance around it.

You think if Falcom opened a branch in the west, it'll be okay? Especially now? The first people in the door and sitting in their offices will be the ones who defended Fire Emblems' translations, call censorship "localization" to excuse it, and tried to pull down Persona 5's.

Even if NISA dies, that won't be the end; their "talent" will spread all across the industry and infect more companies. At least now they're concentrated in one place.

I will admit that part of me wants to give in like >>16012633 said. I love the series. I want to continue it and keep playing it until it finally ends. The other part of me is telling me not to give them a cent.

My only hopes are that somehow Falcom realizes that giving them CS3 before seeing how Ys VIII was released/received was a mistake, and they don't get CS4. But given how easily they got both Ys VIII and CS3, tells me that obtaining CS4 will be just as easy.

I'm sorry for this. I just wanted to rant that I'm feeling pretty hopeless.

>>16018534

Sadly >>16012633 is right i told someone on a forum about Nisa and you know what he said he doesn't care how bad the translation is so long as he can play it, This is the kind of person that keeps these parasites afloat.

>>16018534

There's entirely a chance that people who actually care about translating well like that tranny translator for example, would apply for a job with Falcom's western offices if they ever made any

>even if NISA dies that won't be the end

Well, if they die as a result of their reputation causing their games to flop, it would put a damper on anyone wanting to hire their employees

As for CS4, I guess we'll see but I don't have a good feeling about it.

Either way, you should never give up hope. Things can and will get better.

Nintendo was ridiculously cancerous between 2013-2015/16, and then they pulled a near fucking 180

>>16018516

Eh, if he wants to do that he can but he'd be ridiculous to bother.

You'd have to know a language and culture so ridiculously well to comprehend a work of that magnitude and complexity, it would be far beyond just learning anything for any typical JRPG.

>>16018516

>Not a single one.

But it is not a single video game at this point. It is far more than one video game. We should be viewing this as "every video game by Falcom in the future, as well as a chunk of their past games." We should also think of games that aren't Falcom's like this - there's a handful which we may be able to argue about.

>>16018782

You sound way too cheerful for what you claim to be hopeless. You sure you aren't just a shill?

>>16018806

He's the blackpill shill. Just ignore him and don't respond. He is cheerful because he's happy we're mad and is trying to make us give up by acting like things are hopeless.

>>16019037

That sounds more like she doesn't want to get dragged into any arguments and honestly I'm not sure what you expected. I mean she was at the panel and she was very obviously emotionally happy to the point of crying. At the very least I think her own personal feelings are genuine. Whether this is shit or not isn't going to come down to her. It's going to come down to what NISA let's her do.

>>16010948

Looks like the Ys guide is pretty outdated now since more of the games got PC versions.

>>16019086

>I mean she was at the panel and she was very obviously emotionally happy to the point of crying.

????????????????????????

>>16012633

>Even worse people that hate NISA and typically avoid their games will be tempted to get this because they're already invested in the series and want to finish it. Fuck I hate everything.

I've given up on a few game series due to similar bullshit like this happening to them. It gets easier over time, as it both sends a message financially, and allows you to work on other games you have in your backlog. I have no intention of getting future Yakuza games due to them censoring their remasters for international audiences. I have yet to really start on the Trails games, and with this recent development, I'm debating if I want to go all in, study Jap again, and get imported copies of III and IV (since they managed to escape soyny's censorship conquests), or just not even bother.

>>16019063

>We're all fucking mad and depressed and suicidal about this shit

Only you.

>>16019037

She would make a good NISA employee. I don't even wanna know what political opinion most of the Xseed people have.

>>16019120

Can't find this one in her timeline anon. Did you forget to archive like a complete retard?

>>16019153

Pretty much the same as most other localization companies, but they had someone there to keep that bullshit out of the Trails games (and even then, he had a similar ideology.)

>>16019120

Ironically, we can use these words against the shills who are saying that people should be happy that she and others who worked on the series before are back. She is not the end all be all if the translation will be good or not.

>>16019163

Sorry to hear that your blind and retarded anon, life must be hard.

https://twitter.com/Hatsuu/status/1086675864048156674

http://archive.is/Q5Toz

Quit changing your ID you cowardly faggot. if you want to kill yourself so badly do it on camera and let us see. God knows I'd like to make sure you stay gone.

>>16019201

And yet you are still shilling your shit company on a image board. Are you afraid that another email campaign is launched because we are the supposed last resistance? Hilarious. Something tells me that NISA's CEO is sweating right now and not hoping for another fuck up.

>>16019086

That wasn't Brittany on the panel. That was someone from NISA. And is also the lead translator.

>>16019037

How is that NISA damage control?

She doesn't want to get dragged into the slapfighting from what I'm reading in that post; moreover do you expect her to shit on the company hiring her for the work? She's working freelance/contracted, not as a permanent NISA employee too in her post.

>>16019120

Well no shit, people are hyping her up as if she will save the game guaranteed and that's obviously dangerous.

>>16019429

I agree. I'm not really sure what people expected her to say or do in regards to this. For starters the script wasn't even her job back at XSeed. If you're going to bug someone about the actual translation Ryan or Kris are actually the ones who work on that. She just does the VA and is generally knowledgeable about the series. She's not going to start shittalking anyone when she wants to work and she doesn't want to get pulled into other people doing it either because her responses are always going to be the same and it would put her in an awkward position. I don't think she's being unreasonable here and I don't really expect more of her. She's not the person to go after in regards to this.

>>16019429

> people are hyping her up as if she will save the game guaranteed

Remember when NISA got Durante to help with the Ys 8 port and how that turned out?

>>16019474

I remember anon.

>>16019474

I think everyone here remembers that, anon. I don't think any of the shills remember, though.

>>16018516

Im an exception not the norm as the majority of /v/ are lazy fucks dont deny it anon but its not so much that i want to read kiseki games and more that i want to just learn this shitty language as a challenge. Its probably autism but i just find how stupid this language is with its many symbols and cant help but feel drawn towards deciphering it. I also enjoy jrpgs so that may have something to do with my motivation. If youre not willing to go this far due to sheer autism, then simply deal with the nisa translation and either remove your interest from falcom games or lower your standards. There may be a lot of outcry from anons but i would say its a safe bet that this relationship between falcom and nisa is here to stay. Xseed is a titty translator now and everyone else will never see these games.

It sucks but when you realize the overwhelming majority has already been satisfied hearing the xseed translators are "working" on this game it just meand theres enough normalfags buying it to not care. Companies like nisa and falcom arent your enemies so much as normalfags are. Normalfags are the sole contributors to these shitty ports. Their line of "at least its finally coming out in the west, be grateful you asshole" is basically what kills the hope of nisa never getting a kiseki game again. And when you reply with "well id prefer quality especially in a kiseki game" they just blab on about as long as the core story is understandable, mistakes are passable. Maybe the few of us on 8/v/ nihon general are the only ones who want as close to perfection as we can get. Everyone else has such abysmal standards that theyd probably think it be cute and funny if nisa put emojis in game text dubs say we get emojis in text

One question i have, NIS is a japanese company. How do the japs feel towards NIS and is there any evidence to back those feelings up.

>>16020322

Reported faggot

>>16019120

Frankly, she's not wrong. Yes, many translators are shit, but in large literary projects like vidya, they're also at the mercy of project managers, editors, coordinators and, in the case of vidya, programmers and testers. That means that even if you are a great translator yourself, it won't mean much if company policies are so bad that no one has time to proofread or bug test the game before launch. NISA is exactly like that, and from the looks of it, translators are often given insane deadlines and I'm assuming equally awful pay (since she's freelance, though, it could be that she negotiated a better price, but even so). I recall the Danganronpa people had like 3 or months to translate the first two games back to back. It shows.

>>16020279

Its easy to type out a post like this, but I've seen so many burnouts that I just can't help but not take it seriously.

If you actually learn something worth telling, feel free to come back here and prove us wrong and better yet help out with translation somewhere or something

>>16020330

At least for the PC port of Ys VIII, over a thousand japs reamed them which is very high given how few japs there are, and fewer who care about niche games like this, and normally there would be fewer to make such a loud outcry about it. The fact that so many were so vocal at least speaks to some real anger there.

http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/9095356.html

http://jp.automaton.am/articles/newsjp/20180417-66297/

Use google chrome to translate the page. For reference, Nippon Ichi translates to "Japan's Number One" or "Number one in Japan", which makes all those insults being thrown around way more brutal. They really shat all over them.

>>16020336

>he's agreeing with you

Nigger we have IDs here

>>16020330

NIS is just as infamous in Japan as they are here. In fact, no one seemed surprised when news of the shitty Ys 8 localization came to them.

>>16020322

.>>16020336

embarrassing

>>16019120

I get that. She has a bunch of autists mobbing her to do this or that, accuse her of betrayal for working with ETC., etc. Hell, I wouldn't even want to work on the damn thing if I knew I had to deal with that. This is a labor of love, I just hope it really amounts to something. It won't stop the game from being a buggy mess, but at least it might be legible.

>>16020371

It's a labor of time crunch. There is no way they'll be able to do a half decent job with the short amount of time given on the largest Kiseki game to date.

>>16020388

That's why I'm only hoping for legible, not tolerable.

>>16020388

We'll know once we start seeing stuff. Ys VIII's problems were apparent very early on. But we still don't have any content to look at yet.

guys im about to start the memories of celceta but i want to play it with the japanese voices

can someone pass me the link for it?

>>16015290

Falcom dropped PC to work exclusively on PlayStation.

Ys 8 sold well on Switch though, Falcom has gone on record they were very happy with it.

Honestly, after CS4 and possibly depending on who's handling it, I might be done with any future Falcom games, period.

Going with NISA after that fucking train wreck, after a goddamn mailing campaign is a fucking spit in the face of every consumer who cared about quality. Even now Ys VIII is poorly rated on Steam and GoG.

This goes beyond not caring about the West, its about fucking disrespecting it.

I just wish more customers had guts instead of being gigantic fucking cucks.

>oh at least its coming west

>at least its coming at all, be grateful

>NISA totally won't fuck up this time guys

Shit, this is bad news to come back to. I'm guessing this also poisons Ys 9, so all I can do is appreciate what we had.

Anyone know how bonding events in zero work? From what i gather you can accumulate hidden bond points from picking the character every time they split off from the party. However, a cheat engine post indicates you only need 20 points for the hidden scene to trigger from a total of 99.

>>16022109

Upon further investigation it seems that only two core events plus a few minor tasks result in a scene. God damn falcom hides shit so much in these games. Its impossible to play without guides.

>>16022239

Usually I don't like using guides but they save you a not of needless backtracking and NPC dialogue checking for quests and bonding shit. They're too useful to pass up for kiseki games. The guides for Zero are pretty worthless though. Ao has a very good one, and that one has better bonding events anyway.

>>16021886

>Going with NISA after that fucking train wreck, after a goddamn mailing campaign is a fucking spit in the face of every consumer who cared about quality.

From the sound of things they swept up Cold Steel and Ys8 at the same time. Considering NISA fucked up so hard it even caused outrage among the Japanese fanbase, Falcoms president is probably regretting his decision right now. Of course XSeed seems to be pretty much dead now too so i don't know who the fuck is left to translate these games anyways.

>>16022338

Thanks anon, it seemed like ao had a better system (or maybe i just misunderstood it) but yea the guides for zero are absolute shit. Just going to have to do another play through i guess

>>16022424

>Of course XSeed seems to be pretty much dead now too so i don't know who the fuck is left to translate these games anyways.

No one good really maybe they can pay sega to have a team work on there games, But normys remember a bad game and two buggy messes right after each other will poison there brand for years to come and may spell the end for Falcom in the west, And they don't have the nostalgia fags to buy them like disgaea does.

>>16010948

>Fan-translations

>Trails from Zero at 70% (being edited by Geofront/Zerk).

Get the "inferior" translations for the Crossbell games (Zero, Ao) NOW.

Don't wait for Geofront's "superior" edit.

NISA is interested in the Crossbell games as well. It's a matter of time.

Don't get played, as usual with these translations.

The NORM for them is to get ==coverged== this way through peer pressure and extreme hostility against anyone competing with the "official fantranslation" (stupid useful idiots from the fanbase who think they're convincing translators not to "waste effort" reinventing the wheel), and then for the infiltrated translation groups to get it cancelled from the inside and go after any member of the group who wants it released anyways (Final Fantasy Type-0, Fire Emblem Fates retranslation…)

See

>Trails to Azure was leaked.

>Flame's edit of the translation is also out officially now.

>"broken voice mod"

See here? Azure was already "claimed", by "THE" "official translation project". Flame ruined the fun. Just like he was "rude" not cancelling his menu patch for Brandish and released it anyways when Xseed was already starting to tease it, and the "translation scene" went after him. He is a very problematic modder so his projects must be discouraged from.

The way his project is "broken forever"? It's incompatible with a voice mod from the shitty Evo version that wasn't even included in the original game.

Get the Cold Steel 3/4 fanmade spreadsheets now just in case they get memoryholed too. They can be useful for insertion in the future broken english version.

>>16023297

Speaking of the spreadsheets, we should probably start putting a dl to them in the OP.

>>16023297

Isnt the 3rd excel translation the one kitsune did that includes mansplaining? I dont see how its much better than nisa

>>16019090

>Memories of Celceta: Fair amount of quality of life updates but is also an inferior game in lots of ways. Music is sparse and is mostly pretty bad for an Ys game, bosses are boring and with flash move and flash guard are trivial to fight especially with poor attack design, but are simply drawn out due to insane damage numbers and insane HP(A lot of boss gimmicks is simply attack it for a couple of minutes until it's stunned, then attack the weakpoint for massive damage) and a lot of anti fun shit(Teleportation, Paralysis, Burning)

I honestly cannot in good faith recommend it to anyone. Just play Dawn of Ys, it's the best bump combat game with excellent music and gameplay. Unless you really want a nod to the Altagian battleships.

>>16023297

>>Trails from Zero at 70% (being edited by Geofront/Zerk).

It was updated to 75% in September. They also said there will be an update soon™.

>>16023297

Honestly I'm not a fan of NISA but I guarantee their script will be better then the spreadsheet.

>>16026459

The people who don't want to support NISA in any way may still find it useful.

Quality is not as important as people think. Videogames are built on hype- if your translation takes too long its irrelevant. This series is frankly on deaths door already. The motto for Nisa is "good enough" and that is all that these games deserve anyway looking at the sales numbers.

Hell if bad localisation kills JRPGs for you I wonder how long you've lasted playing them.

>>16026667

You are so misguided, anon.

>>16026667

>if your translation takes too long its irrelevant

you mean how NISA's did?

Their motto isn't even "good enough" its "Shit something out and pray people don't find out until its too late"

>>16023297

Do you have a link to the patch for Zero or the PC releases?

>>16026459

The main purpose of the spreadsheet would be to check the accuracy of the translation. Sadly, it won't help with the NPC dialogue, which is where I expect the most fuckary, but it's something at least.

>>16026667

>make a series with elaborate world building

>everything in the game is detailed in a way to give you more insight into the overall situation of the various nations

>w-who cares about quality, at least its coming out, d-dead series anyways

kill yourself faggot. people like you are the reason we got nisa doing this still and i bet you even pre-ordered like a fag.

>>16026667

> I wonder how long you've lasted playing them.

Well if NISA fried your console or prevented you from finishing multiple games, in either or both instances there'd be a lot of games you couldn't properly experience or even play.

Liking NISA could potentially limit you to playing less jrpgs than somebody who hates them. How can you get more incompetent?

Are there re-translation patches for the PC versions? The Chronicles script is… not great.

>>16010948

>Brittany "Hatsuu" Avery

glad to see the SJW managed to worm her way into this game as well

>>16031671

But she's been involved in the series' localization for the whole time basically?

>>16031726

i know, I think xseed kept her on a tight leash though, isn't NISA halfway SJW as is?

>>16031743

>>16031671

You're not honestly this unaware of shit are you? Do you just hear shit from others or cherrypick without looking at the greater picture?

She's less SJW than most of the other localizers in the industry, though she is still a leftist.

XSEED keeping her on a leash though is laughable, the rest of XSEED is definitely not better than she is, there are plenty of worse people at XSEED than her, like their current localization lead iirc, Ryan Graff is far worse and is more like a typical SJW.

Overall she's good and generally keeps her politics quiet and to herself compared to most SJWs and localizers in the industry. She's around the same level as Tom in terms of goodness for XSEED, and she's got a lot of passion for Falcom games (especially Trails). She's about the only good thing going for this whole shit situation right now, and afaik she never inserted politics into any localization.

>>16031743

NISA does have some censorship history for sure, but there have always been companies more extreme about that. NISA has always been more about gross incompetence. And Hatsuu has never really shown any desire to want to change anything about her baby. Not that it matters, because NISA is still in charge,

>>16031757

>You're not honestly this unaware of shit are you? Do you just hear shit from others or cherrypick without looking at the greater picture?

I just read about this today, the only thing I remember about that bitch is reading the xseed blog during some Q and A thing and she wanted more trannies and gays in their games, and also got them to change the ending to cold steel 2, which made me really nervous but it ended up being some harmless thing with the pictures or some shit.

I don't really have high hopes for cs 3-4 now, but I don't own a ps4 so it's pretty irrelevant to me without the pc port

>>16031795

Woops, it wasn't the original artist, I must've confused that one with another game

>>16032718

Seems pretty similar to Hatsuu to me. I'm not sure what you expect him to say?

>>16032718

That is a false equivalence as Sara was a good teacher in her own way and Rean was a good student. Logic dictates for these things that Rean would be a good teacher taking what he learned from his time with her and applying it to his new job.

NISA is a shit company that have been repeatedly fucking games in the ass. This isn't about XSEED vs NISA. It's about not letting a bad company continue to spread their shit around to other games. Something he fails to understand apparently despite knowing how bad of a company they are.

>>16032765

Its not even about that. There's no "threats" to speak of.

As

>>16032718

said. Its entirely fake news.

>>16032741

This is different. Its him spinning some fake news bullshit. Its equivalent to

>Gamergate stop harassing people please

Not

>Don't involve me in this shit please

His second tweet in the chain is a bit more like that I suppose, but the first and most prominent one is definitely not.

>>16032718

Also, fucking Christ that had better not be a fucking Prinny avatar/profile picture.

>>16032828

I'm pretty sure it's Revali, who Chiplock voiced.

>>16032850

Okay

>>16032741

Any time there's controversy, a good way to distract from the main issue is to cry threats (crying harassment is similar). Back in the day and even now it's a successful tactic to divert scrutiny away from the people who are the issue to the people who are criticizing, with an extra dose of guilt by association to boot.

It always plays out this way:

>controversy

>person or thing get's the brunt of the criticism

>person or thing cries threats

>the topic shifts from the person or thing that deserves criticism to the people criticizing, placing all responsibility on them for stuff they didn't do

The issue is that the supposed threats are not relevant to the discussion. Even if we were to agree that a threat was issued, it has nothing to do with what most people are complaining about. Yet this tactic is supposed to make them the main point of the topic. It's usually very successful in doing that. It's also successful in making the those criticizing somehow responsible for these supposed threads even though the controversy is not about them at all and to lessen the validity of those criticisms.

This doesn't even get into the fact that the threats likely don't exist. A constant in all these controversies that try to play this tactic is that they never reproduce, document, point out, or even hint where this supposed threat came from, the nature of the threat, the legitimacy of it or how it was delivered. This is done because had they done so, the threat, if it exists, would likely be seen as the nothing bullshit it is. But they need a narrative, so just listen and believe that a threat was delivered! It's transparent and easy to spot after all these years of people doing it.

>>16033055

Yea this is starting to look like ground work to me. Watch as they use this as evidence that a bunch of toxic fans have been harassing Nisa from the start, even though this literally somebody's conjecture, but they'll use this tweet as solid evidence.

>>16032718

Rean is a serial headpatter, there is plenty of reason for there to be outrage over placing him in a teaching position.

>>16033055

>>16033088

I hope someone worth a damn calls this bullshit out

>>16033175

It would be nice if it actually makes people fucking angry

I remember the Diablo Immortal thing with journalists trashing on their fanbase and Diablo fans of all people started calling them out for the worthless blogger trash hipsters that they were, it was immensely gratifying to see that people still have breaking points

>>16033263

I would imagine it would have a similar, but smaller reaction. Attacking an ultra-niche JRPG fanbase is fairly laughable by itself, and they can't really go for their typical "incel/pervert/sexist" strawman labels for the fans without accidentally attacking the "victims" working on the game.

It wouldn't be as big as the Diablo shitstorm but it would certainly be another embarrassing demerit for the blogger journos.

>>16011267

Lacrimosa of Dana was a good game, I'm looking forward the next Ys to come.

>>16032718

Do you fags actually use the dubs for these games? English voice acting sounds terrible almost all the time. I cant say ive even heard the dub for these games. This dude seems like a major faggot but not as much as falcom for giving it to nisa.

>>16033320

I played the first Cold Steel on PS3, which didn't have Japanese voice. The worst part of the dub was Ashley Burch did the voice of Millium and turned "genki loli" into "annoying valley girl bimbo."

>>16033290

>looking forward to shit being ruined by NIS/A

>>16033320

>english voice acting sounds terrible almost all the time

I've had good experiences with dubs in my games somehow, though I haven't played a Falcom game that used much voices yet

Maybe I've just been getting lucky.

The only truly terrible dub in a game I've experienced so far is Neptunia, while the JP voice actors were quite literally pure fucking perfection. It was a ridiculously good fit.

>>16033290

Hold the fucking phone. Explain good and compare to Ys Memories of Celceta and Ys Seven because those are the closest references I have.

>>16033342

Looked her up on jewtube and all i can say is what a fucking mess she is. Glad i never heard this series dub after listening to her shit

>>16033290

Yeah, I finished it over the weekend and got the true end. I'm a little disappointed with how they handled the ending, specifically what they did to Dana. I was a bit burned out on it after that, but now I feel it calling me again and want to do the bonus dungeon and ng+. My only other major complaint is that flash guard/move seem inconsistent, which wouldn't be too bad but the game feels entirely balanced around using them constantly. That and the super tracking on every attack can fuck off.

>>16035370

I did not buy it on launch so maybe thats why I wasnt that disgusted by it, its a shame tho that studios still let NISA botch translations so hard.

>>16035587

>he supported NISA

The reason why they get away with shit is because of people who still buy the games they mishandle. Thanks for keeping them around so they can fuck Cold Steel.

>le infograph spam thread

>>16032718

>no tweets asking for proof

>>16036020

Are you sure she could actually do that though? To me it seemed like they just killed her off. A heroic and fitting death for her, but still a death. If they were worried about continuity with the later games they could just say she was off doing other shit during those events. It wouldn't be hard to keep her alive, but they made a pretty lazy ending instead.

ITT: a bunch of image board fags obsessing about a dyke game designer not knowing where everything went wrong.

>>16044209

>Another person who understands

My nigger. She might be my Falcom waifu.

>>16044520

Post the top comments, I hope to god some people are mocking this faggot. I know there were at least some people on that worthless subleddit who hate NISA.

I can already imagine the weak arguments presented though.

>b-but we get JP voices now!

>we'll get a faster localization! (lmao)

>French localizations

Actually those are the only things I can think of. Everything they've done has been a fucking disaster.

>>16044209

It's the hair bow. Anelace had me since her first sighting in FC.

>>16044750

Its pretty fucking great. Her character design is too marvelous. If I were more autistic and knew more about art elements I'd go into why I love it so much.

>>16045313

archive.is/3Iu9u

>>16045313

Astroturfing rolling in as usual are the falcom reddits mods in there pocket already or are we going to see them replaced soon.

>Geofront's actually only made 5% progress in the past 4 months like I was memeing

fucking lmao

never ever

>>16049102

Its a good thing I have plenty of other games to play in the meantime

>>16049102

Christ, almost 5 months actually. Good thing I've already played the game.

>>16049102

What is retarded is it really just needs some proofreading and a bit of editing. I have no idea why anyone is still waiting, both games are perfectly playable and whatever is there is better than what NISA is going to shit out for CS3.

>>16049481

I want to wait for the best product possible, an unedited translation is usually pretty rough. "Playable" isn't really much of an excuse for it. It being better than NISA is irrelevant, since anything and everything is better than NISA. They are quite literally the worst localization company.

>>16049710

It's really not that bad, there are a handful of awkward lines in the encyclopedia worth of dialogue and some spelling errors here and there. You're basically waiting for the attention whores behind the project to toss in their shitty memes and run a spellchecker. Also it's free.

If you don't care about waiting you're fine I guess, but if you're freaking out for the wait just play it. I honestly prefer a basic script over a meme'd/localized one that these groups like to do.

It just drives me nuts hearing people cry about not being able to play Zero/Ao when you can do that right now.

>>16049826

That's fair I suppose. I don't mind basic translations if I don't have any other real options, but here I have a chance to wait for a more polished product to come out. The main problem I would have with basic translations is, depending on the translator how close it would come to machine-tier or really rough translations. What's more is that I assume there might be important and subtle changes in wording and whatnot to reference the heavy lore of the kiseki games that might be lost in a basic translation if its done without care to that aspect of it.

>Free

Yes, but so are all fanslated games and most games in general really :^)

>waiting for the attention whores to toss in their memes and run a spellchecker

I'd hoped they'd polish things like sentence structure, any awkwardness of dialogue or "quirks" in the translation and whatnot. Are they really known for inserting their memes and (((localizing)))?

>>16049826

This anon gets it. I am currently in the final parts of zero as im going through the duology finally. The entire game has been perfectly fine. In fact the only edits i see them making are the words they put inside of < these > which are mostly names that are translated perfectly. In fact, this is the way id prefer to play zero and am glad i have this version archived. I would not want memes which im sure the "edits"will bring. Ive actually come to like this almost more than TiTS and that was a god damn good game. So anon, go find a copy and play it because waiting is retarded.

>>16050229

T-this time it will better anons you'll see!

F-falcom will keep them under wraps!

T-they've got the old translators working on it!

>But the future refused to change.

>>16050038

I found a couple spots in Ao during sidequests that are poorly worded, but that's without using Flame's edit. There is a patch included in the nyaa version to put in the Flame's edit but it messes up how the spoken dialogue lines up with the text so I didn't use it. The terminology/lore is spot on, and there isn't really anything that seems like it's out of google translate.

I don't think these guys are cartel-tier memesters but they've had a lot of drama between each other over the years (hence the leaks and slow progress) and what is available right now is actually quite good. The games are pretty fun so don't let the little stuff bug you if you really want to play them.

>>16050872

Hm.

I hope you keep a mirror of your version around in these threads or something; it would be nice to have it on-hand just in case

I plan on finishing a few games before I play though, so I've got time anyways and I don't desperately feel the need to play it right this moment

>>16050294

Honestly I'm more pissed about the shit port than the shit translation. I mean I can just go ahead pirate and skip everything if it's all garbage like BIG HOLE HUEHUEHUEXDDDDDDDDDDD but I can't really skip the game crashing or running like ass.

What hurts me more is that Monstrum Nox is the first Ys game in forever to be made for a console first instead of a handheld and it's probably going to be butchered by NISA.

>>16050980

Its a goddamn embarrassment that NISA somehow screwed up shit that was ALREADY TRANSLATED PERFECTLY FOR THEM, HOW THE FUCK IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE HOLY SHIT

Like god-fucking-damn

God damn anons, im at the 2nd to last chapter of zero i think the blue pill investigation and fuck its great. This writing, this story, have been absolute top knotch. I really cant think of a series this expansive anywhere else. Trails has been, and im not trying to sound like a faggot here, but it has been a landmark in gaming for me. Its become a real personal story and I truly hope nisa doesnt fuck it up. I know they will but at least we got 5 games and 2 from cold steel. Just wanna thank you anons for getting me into it in a much older falcom thread. A lot of times this board is shit but every now and then a good thing happens that brings a lot of joy to an otherwise bleak world. Thank you anons in the falcom thread and thank you falcom for making such a god damn good series.

>>16051932

>Michael Jackson pedo joke

I despise people like you

>>16051932

>He believed the Jackson is pedo meme from the MSM

>>16052401

There's a new documentary about how he "married" a 9 year old boy.

>>16052424

>Believing documentaries made by kikes in order to push bullshit claims.

Gas yourself.

>>16052424

While Razorfist is a certified sperg and his video game opinions are shit, his video on Michael Jackson is probably one of the most concise and easy to digest pieces of media showing just how fucking bullshit all the charges were

>>16052436

Sony murdered him and the media lied about him. It is almost like they have been doing this for decades if not much much longer.

Can someone post archives or a pastebin of all the Falcom thread archives they have?

It would be greatly appreciated.

Zero translation is now at 80%

https://geofront.esterior.net/2019/01/28/trails-from-zero-to-eighty/

>>16052738

>PC version support with 60 fps

Berry excite.

Small note, guy who consulted on the PC ports of Cold Steel opened his own buisness about PC porting.

https://nichegamer.com/2019/01/28/modder-who-fixed-dark-souls-on-pc-launches-new-pc-porting-studio/

>>16053829

>implying NISA would be willing to pay the price to get Durante & Cia on board

>implying that even if they miraculously pay it, they wouldn't throw away everything because fuck you

There's no hope anon, don't even consider the remote possibility of they taking over the PC port.

>>16053917

inb4 they hire him for an hour over the internet/phone and say they "contracted Durante" to fool everyone like they did with Ys VIII again.

>>16053945

Was there any actual reason apart from hubris that they threw out his work? I just cannot fathom the stupidity.

>>16053978

I thought it was a yandaredev type situation where the original people are so shit at coding they simply don't know what to do with good code and scrapped it because they couldn't understand or incorporate it without it breaking shit.

>>16054038

Did he download cp after he died?

>>16054038

Google must be real tough for some people

>>16051274

They really are great games. They reward diligence and effort instead of just handing everything to the player and they're lovingly made. The only bad thing is I can't tolerate most other JRPGs anymore because they seem mindless in comparison. A friend let me borrow DQ11 and it felt like I was playing something made for the mentally disabled. I put it down after 10 hours because the story, characters, and game play were boring and generic as fuck, which is funny because Kiseki games are a mishmash of anime tropes.

>>16054485

Same exact problem. I thought i could enjoy jrpgs a lot more since kiseki made me love this type of play. But its more akin to a visual novel with gameplay elements. I have not found a jrpg like it and last thread i even asked and the anon who replied suggested diablo 2. Jrpgs just feel awful after you play these games. Im not sure what falcom does so right. Maybe just all the small details and great plot. Plus the fact they extend over so many games.

>>16054526

90% of jrpgs, much like most other things, are shit. Kiseki is just a part of the 10% that are good. There are other good jrpgs out there, but you'll have to sift through the 90% of shit to find them.

>>16052436

Speaking of

>Razor shows one guy who's recanting giving testimony in the 2005 trial saying he didn't touch him, an interview in 2011 saying MJ was a friend then stuff in 2017 where he's like other (((Victims)))

These parasites only want money.

>>16054038

>no source on this shit claim with no evidence either (and no trial or anything? What a load of bullshit)

>one of the only celebrities to openly call out jews

>someone who wasn't interested in starting race-bullshit and if anything cared more about peace

>someone who wasn't openly interested in sex

>the whole trial against him was a phony joke

>one of the only people to call out and shit on the media

He was weird, but he wasn't creepy, and his weirdness is wrought out of being abused as a child and as a young star, by his father and by hollywood jews. He is innocent though, and that baby shit had nothing to do with fucking "creepiness".

Trump trusted Michael Jackson with his own fucking kids and openly defended him, and Trump has put away more pedos in jail than most Presidents.

The fact that you fell for the media narrative is fucking embarrassing. /pol/ did their research on him long ago and found out he was completely fucking innocent, and in fact his was one of the saddest stories in hollywood.

Fucking kill yourself newfag.

>>16054560

No, I remember that anon. He didn't like even the ones that are usually considered "good" by most standards like Dragon Quest and Grandia. Falcom games are just something special entirely from the genres they are in.

>>16054526

I think a lot of what they do right involves attention to detail. These games have "simple" graphics but they're used to the fullest. Some characters have action sprites that are used once in the entire game, homes have nice details like decor and appliances instead of just a table and some chairs. Go outside a snowy town in CS and you see snow shovels and places where kids play in the snow.

Squeenix games have graphics that cost millions but they have bland, lifeless towns with colorful shit thrown around for the fuck of it. Go into a home and you see an empty table with one picture on the wall. Maybe a random bookshelf.

Same with the storytelling. Kiseki builds a living, breathing world with major events and politics that influence the lives of the characters, other JRPGs are a convoluted clusterfuck of nonsense attempting to be DEEP or just some cookie cutter fantasy trash that's been beaten to death.

Kiseki gameplay has a unique magic/skill system with lots of customization and level scaling that prevents/discourages players from powerleveling and stomping everything without any thought. Even on normal difficulty you can't just brute force major fights. Craft spamming is Kiseki combat at its crudest and it's still better than other games that let you kill a boss by using regular attacks and healing just because you bought current gear and fought all the enemies on the way to the fight.

These games are made by people that give a shit.

>>16054611

I really think that the general consensus of "good" can't always be trusted. Maybe among certain niche groups, but then you have to account for the tastes of that specific group. Or maybe the 90/10 rule can be applied recursively, such that within the 10% there is a top 10% that makes 90% of that 10% look like shit by comparison, and Falcom has a knack for landing in there.

Sitting here typing this as the zero credit music rolls on. God damn anons, that final chapter was fantastic. Highly recommend this game to people. The translation is great and you can feel the emotions like you do in any xseed translated game. Will write more later, just need some sleep

>>16055880

>Nigger please if I've learned one thing about the PC community is that they'll fix it themselves for free.

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY PLAYABLE PC PORT THEN ASSHOLE

WHERE'S THE RETRANSLATION FOR IT DOUBLE ASSHOLE

Damnit if only I wasn't such a lazy talentless piece of shit when it comes to programming.

>>16056216

Don't engage with the obvious baits. It's the same faggot trying to start shit like he always does.

>>16054645

Not that anything you've said is wrong but I've got a beef to pick with Kiseki combat and it's not the way Falcom handles it, but I just feel the whole foundation is broken from the start and I cannot fathem how or why anyone would keep using the absurdly simplified turn based formula for JRPGs. Wild Arms 3 had some good shit. Lufia 2's magic system had some good shit. Kingdom Hearts was an interesting idea. Hell even something like Resonance of Fate was also pretty interesting. Just have something that's actually fun to play instead of giving me a fast forward button that I kept held for pretty much the entirety of cold steel.

I think Kiseki had some great enjoyable bosses and has a fair amount of things over any generic turn based JRPG. But at the end of the day it's still the same fucking garbage dumbed down turn based shit that is actively hurting the game. I'm not asking for Ys or Xanadu levels of gameplay here but like give me something that doesn't make me groan every time I'm in a non boss encounter.

>>16056229

I didn't even realize he was baiting or anything.

>>16055880

Welcome back 666925

>>16056256

I don't think its baiting, I think its a fucking shill but that's my opinion. He's trying to demoralize and implicitly influence people to accept lower standards

>Wild Arms 3 had some good shit. Lufia 2's magic system had some good shit. Kingdom Hearts was an interesting idea. Hell even something like Resonance of Fate was also pretty interesting.

Can you go into what makes these games' combat systems so special?

I thought TitS's combat system was… acceptable and fun enough but felt like it definitely could've been improved. What specific changes do you think could've been made to do so?

>>16056273

Truth be told I don't remember much of Lufia 2 besides playing it to 100% years ago. It just played really good, had great puzzles and had one of the best optional dungeons I had played in an rpg.

Wild Arms 3, I loved how fast you could go through the battle menus and a lot of the encounters were really well made. Otherwise it was set in a futuristic old west setting and I loved it for that.

Kingdom Hearts,

Resonance of Fate, it was difficult, it has a lot of resource management and it was a pretty cute way of handling turn based combat that actually benefited from the game being turn based, instead having it for the sake of having it.

>>16056306

Kingdom hearts was real time and I like it for that. Outside of the overrealiance on PRESS TRIANGLE TO COOL I liked a lot of the more involved fights, and shit like KH2's forms, secrets and neat little gameplay details like playing as other characters just made my day. No I do not particularly care about KH3 and I don't know shit about the lore.

As for what I'd do to make Kiseki gameplay better, I don't really know. Maybe I'd go all out on the team combo abilities and have all sorts of sick combos between party members and having that being the main meat of the combat system, but like I said I'm talentless so I can't really give you details besides TACTICAL KUNG FU FIGHTING FORCE for the next arc.I honestly forgot what Zin's homeland was called.

>>16052436

Republic of Calvard.

>>16054611

>>no source on this shit claim with no evidence either (and no trial or anything? What a load of bullshit)

Except for the video, right?

Unless you mean the CP, which came out after he died and I don't see why they would need to lie about that since he's dead already. I get the allegations being fake and the conspiracy against him by corporates wanting his fat cash but why after he died?

On the flip side it asks the question of "where was this when he was on trial?"

I don't know, but I do know that everyone in Hollywood only ever have their worst get revealed AFTER they die.

Sure it could be fake. It also could not be. Doesn't change the fact that he was a creep.

But I guess since he made good music (he did), called out Jews at some point and dumped on the media (who doesn't?) he's not a creep. Everything he did to his own face wasn't creepy, his behavior wasn't off, etc.

>He was weird, but he wasn't creepy

Nah vid related. He was a creep with a head spun around by being one of the greatest and most attacked pop stars in human history.

>his weirdness is wrought out of being abused as a child and as a young star

Don't care, vid related

>He is innocent though, and that baby shit had nothing to do with fucking "creepiness".

It's creepy, it's ghoulish, it's highly unnerving to flash your kid so dangerously just to show off your pride and joy to fans and/or paparazzi (which he hated, not fans).

Dude was a creep, anon, not some victim. If he was a victim he'd have named names, wouldn't he? He would have outed degenerates and abusers around him for what they were doing (which they alleged he was doing). Or do you seriously think he never knew of any rapists, child abusers, etc. despite that being epidemic in Hollywood?

Was Michael Jackson a pedophile? I don't know. He might not have been and he might have been. Plenty of things cast doubt on it, but was he a creep? Yes.

>Trump trusted Jackson… Trump has put away more pedos in jail than most Presidents.

Jeffery Epstein. Lolita Express. Roy Cohn.

Who's the newfag?

>>16057254

Michael jackson owned 60% of sony before he died.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxC7--r3nWM

>>16054038

>years later

yeah as if that can't be planted after he's already dead.

>>16054038

fbi cleared him of any and all charges 10 years after investigation started. mj was killed because he named the jew in his songs and told others about them (some recorded by fbi and law enforcement and released publicly).

>>16057694

>the only nigger who genuinely dindu nuffin was one that called out the jews

Quite the coincidence, huh?

/MichaelJackson/

/mjg/

>>16061651

>>16061649

Blame the ERPing Kea faggot for that

>>16057610

Redditors also say you don't miss anything at all by jumping into CS and skipping the first five games. Enjoy not understanding anything tied to Ouroboros and everything happening as a result of events in Crossbell.

Hatsuu has health issues so she's taking a break from working on Sen3, she said she doesnt know if she'll even return to working on it

Obviously I'm not going to say she should work on it despite her health, but what an amazing turn of events, less than a month after NISA apologists tried to save face by saying she's working on it, she departs the project

>>16069674

NISA is known to treat their own employed translators like shit.

I wouldn't be surprised if they treat their freelancers like Hatsuu even worse. I have a feeling that had to do with this.

Someone should find out if this is a for-sure, definite departure though. We'd be able to push out the news far and wide.

>>16069691

She was NISA's ticket to get shit-free this time, so no wonder, we'll see how they act when the game is actually out and whether its fucked up or not, if they as much as dare to hide behind her after her departure from project and butchering the game, Im fucking done

>>16069674

no surprise here. the game will be a mess as we've seen from their presentations. Her being on the team didnt matter. Just go re-read this entire thread and this endless mistakes that nisa makes. Either play them in their original language or enjoy some butchered mess of a game. Not even sure why people hyped her existence up as she was considered freelance.

>>16069691

She'll be under NDA until at least 6 months after the release of CS3 if not longer. Considering she probably still wants to work in the industry there's no way she's going to shit talk with that threat over her head regardlesss. I could all be true for all we know but I know what I would bet on being closer to the truth.

>>16071652

Yep.

>>16071642

Yep.

or pray that fanslators actually do their fucking job lmao

>>16071655

Honestly we have the sen3 and 4 spreadsheets, if we can just grab a few people willing to re-edit the script, fix typos, translation mistakes , rephrase thigns as needed, it would probably be fairly easy to insert the fixed text into the game, granted it will last a VERY LONG FUCKING WHILE due to the sheer size of the games, but its doable

All of this is assuming we get a PC port

>>16080163

NISA news definitely hurt the threads imo

>>16080163

There has always been some ups and downs. Is there anyone in these threads that hasn't played all english mainline games yet?

The NISA disaster probably didn't help peoples interest in the series.

>>16080333

I'm working my way through SC for the first time right now. I want to be caught up for Cold Steel 3. Even if I have to use the sheet

>>16080163

Nisa killed my interest i am just here to see how badly they will fuck it up.

>>16082649

Using the spreadsheet really isn't that bad anymore. https://github.com/goost/coldtranslation

>>16080163

Nisa forced me to go finally play them in moonrune. Not half as bad as i thought and helping my studies as well.

>>16083184

Who the fuck would want to use a goddamn spreadsheet for playing a game? That sounds tedious as fuck.

>>16083213

Good on you, good luck.

>>16083595

The link shows how to link the spreadsheet translation to the ingame dialogue boxes.

>>16080163

I'm just trying to dig up a working download for Dinosaur Resurrection and Rinne, then I'm done with falcom. I'm pretending they went bankrupt after cold steel 2

is Ys III for SNES worth playing?

So I've finished SC and moved on to third. With minimum spoilers, will I ever be able to remove Ries or Kevin, as unlikely as that would be from my party? I kinda want to use my team from the last two games.

>>16095478

>>16087330

Use spoilers faggot, someone is fucking playing through the game in this thread.