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doom 4 is a good game, it's just not a good doom game

>>15937821

It's trying way to hard to be brutal doom.

gib wads and gameplay mods.

>>15937827

Way too busy beating my head against the wall with my own machinations. I'd love to, but I'd honestly have to just point at whatever FNF/SNS is doing at the moment.

>>15937826

Brutal Duke Nukem Forever

>>15937821

This is why I can't take this board seriously

>>15938411

>someone posts a bad opinion on a site with almost zero restrictions on joining and posting invalidates the rest of the board

Whatever mate.

I was checking the moddb mods of the year, still don't care for Total Chaos.

"Why?", you may ask. It's more annoying than spooky. Yeah, survival horror. I get it. Actual real life accounting and management is a bigger scare. They put a lot of production into it but holy guts is it boring.

>>15938411

Taken on its own it's not a bad game per se, I'd rather say that it is a 7/10 competent FPS, although bland and somewhat boring despite all the Brutal Doom-esque gimmicks. However its biggest sin is using the Doom name and bits and pieces of Doom "lore" to appeal to wannabe nerds, secondaries and normalkiddies - the types who want nerd cred by playing/watching streams of nu-Doom, reading some Doom articles on wikis and then proceed to act as if they have been Doomfags forever. Then again if it wasn't called Doom and instead was Generic Spehs Muhreen Gaym Title or something, /v/ might have loved it.

>>15938394

It might ac-

oh wait it already was lol

>>15938430

>Duke "Cucked by Randy Pitchford" Nukem

>>15938696

>giving her a body

should have gone the yukkuri route

>>15939120

Bazongle

>>15939160

>being this blatant about your guro fetish

jesus man.

>>15937821

If glorykills were thrown out, it at the very least wouldn't have been a chore to play. Unfortunately, normalfags really like interrupting their gameplay with meaningless animations, so they're here to stay. Upgrades are a mixed bag, where some of the runes are useful and the rest is either pointless or should be the base ability in the first place; only one category of chip upgrades is useful. But at least weapon mods are useful in at least some cases.

>>15939114

I can dew it

>>15938696

>>15939136

>Humanized

What absolutely shitty taste you have. Humanized/anthroshit is the absolute lowest form of porn. It's like "hey I want to fuck x, but I want it to look nothing like it".

>>15939136

>he has never seen yukkuri porn

>>15939307

dis nigga gets it.

fap to monsters like a real man

>>15939372

>This is furry-tier

Thank fuck someone finally said it, these fags need to take their autistic shit back to 4chan's /trash/ or /aco/ and leave these threads alone.

>>15939377

>>15939372

For gods sakes, if you're going to do Doom OC, don't fucking make it ridiculous shit like this. Make it something that would be plausible

>>15937821

playing nuDoom even on Nightmare tremendously bored me to death, but for some fucking reason, it also showed the most innovative potential for singleplayer first-person shooters in YEARS, except the people and journos mercilessly sucking the game's cock don't even realize this, and nor do the people who rightfully dislike the game, except they make some terrible near-contrarian arguments in the process

for example:

Arena level design itself isn't inherently shit, it's just poorly implemented because enemy behavior barely synergizes with arena design and arena design itself all across the game is just a different kind of "skatepark" and arrangement of platforms which don't change up how the combat plays out. Each arena is different, but it doesn't fucking matter. A more sensible approach would have been to introduce more environmental hazards or even dynamic arenas which change over time.

People think nuDoom would be better with more enemies, but they don't really know what they want or how it would actually work out in practice. Watch this GDC video where they show what happens when 20+ Imps would be spamming fireballs at you at once https://youtu.be/2KQNpQD8Ayo?t=41m11s (have a link because 8chan still can't support links with timestamps). Remember, enemies in nuDoom aren't like those in the OG. Enemies in nuDoom can lead projectiles, and invididual projectiles hit like a fucking truck (on Nightmare). Moreover, enemies in nuDoom are incredibly mobile and like to circle around you, so upping the enemy count would simply make it impossible to keep track of what's happening, as opposed to simple enemies like in the OG who move slowly and only shoot in straight lines. nuDoom has a system in place which restricts the amounts of enemy attacks that can happen at once, so having loads of enemies on screen at once would leave you with tons of enemies doing fuck-all, which also looks stupid.

>>15939541

Just make a thread on /xen/ you homo.

>>15939120

Millions? He probably lost his entire life savings. He put everything he had into WindBreakers, what a fucking idiot.

>>15939098

except doom 2016 sold well and is getting a sequel

>>15939603

If it sold that well then the demo wouldn't be out 24/7 to attract players and the multiplayer wouldn't be dead on arrival.

>>15939611

Do you even know what the fuck a demo is, because this has to be trolling.

>>15939611

The demo is still out for the same reason that Doom 1's demo is still out

>>15939611

>if the game sold well there wouldn't be a demo

even if you're trolling, the fact that kids today might really hold this attitude really bothers me

>>15939681

I dunno, I kinda like yerba mate

Brutal Doom is overhyped waste of time

if i wanted more blood i would play Blood, that actually has real good implementation of various themes and mechanics around horror themes

>>15939700

Fucking this.

>>15939845

Are you surprised when brilliance is shot down relentlessly as complete shit solely due to it's monetization, and mediocrity is praised for being more of the exact same but with different paint?

>>15939854

Oh, the evolvefag is back again with his shit taste

>>15939603

It's not even a doom game. It's like they released a Tetris sequel but it was a match 3 game.

>>15939968

Dude, play it on dos/true vanilla. It was always intended as such. The gist was:

"horror but YOU are the horror"

The whole lighting of the original game was fairly dark and slower paced. It wasn't until sourceports that it became zipping around.

You started off weak, scrounging around desprately for supplies, and eventually snowballing into an unstoppable juggernaut.

That's what people constantly overlook.

>>15939845

Mods are switched around every once in a while and it usually fluctuates to 5-16 players regardless of mods on the server I use. 64 only happens every once in a very long while, it happened to be Brutal Doom once and I'm telling you it was just so surreal.

>>15939845

I'm pretty sure that demo was supposed to be temporary.

>>15937821

>doom 4 is a good game, it's just not a good doom game

1. NuDoom is the death of level design. Levels are empty and just used to scavenge resources, all actions happens in the arenas.

2. Making the fatalities mandatory for every single enemy is the crassest mistake ever made in a FPS, no honest gamer can keep playing that shit without uninstalling the game in disgust.

3. No mod support means the previous mistakes will never get fixed, which is all another level of arrogance.

>>15937826

The problem is not that Brutal Doom is average, the problem is that this community of retrokids and trannies haven't been able to beat it for half a decade.

>>15938210

Anyone know a good wad to play with this?

is there any other source port better than gzdoom?

>>15940791

Depends on what you want from it. Prboom+ is better for vanilla gameplay. Zandronum has better netplay. Otherwise, if you're in it more for mods and are ok with using literal trannysoft, gzdoom is the only choice.

>>15940791

There is EDGE and Eternity Engine which supports some modding too, Eternity Engine is more focused on software rendering while EDGE has OpenGL support but I forget which version maybe 1.0-2.0

>>15939991

>too many guns that mostly do the same things. We don't need 20 million variations of the rifle

Some sort of slot limitation would be neat in this case so that you can't carry 4 different assault rifle variant.

>enemies need to be more dangerous in difficulties other than nightmare. Make them have some movesets maybe, like sometimes they jump at you or sprint?

Yeah I can agree with this point, at long range they are barely a threat however in large numbers they are much more difficult to deal with thou, I had to hide in one of those buildings in the morixmas mod as I enabled the switch because too many of those bugs were rushing me to be able to deal with them efficently, on low-ish number its not much of a problem which was like that on the first map of whitemare 1.

>>15940948

>Some sort of slot limitation would be neat in this case so that you can't carry 4 different assault rifle variant.

You can do that manually with Slade. I made the infantry carry the Morita MK1, while the sniper carries the Scoped version and the fleet guy carries the carbine. Also removed some other redundant weapons from the list, now they only give ammo when you get them. Next step is removing them from the spawners.

>>15939968

>what was supposed to be frightening in the first two games?

Go play the original on UV using Chocolate Doom and without scumming.

>>15940171

Why would it be temporary? That's just stupid.

>>15940791

GZDoom is required for some mods. No way around that. If you want something to play Doom as it was go for Chocolate Doom. PrBoom+ is decent too.

>>15941032

Aliens TC qualifies far more for that than Doom or Doom 2.

>>15941066

>Still nobody has created a wad with an excuse-plot "story" that blends DOOM with ALIENS

You will never convince me that it won't work.

Anyone got any recommended soundfonts? I've been playing with Weeds and Doom SNES, as well as throwing other SNES game soundfonts at the game like Mario Kart, but I don't entirely know what the fuck I'm doing.

>>15940773

Bump. Need an invasion kind of wad to emulate this scene.

>>15941095

I have a serious hard-on for trickery like that please tell me there's some actual maps that do this!

>>15941121

Somebody made a map in here specifically for that.

>>15941121

I don't doubt it. Either way I plan on putting encounter like that on the map I'm currently bulding(not shown in mp4).

>>15941069

https://my.mixtape.moe/kvtyyt.sf2

This is the one I use. Works well enough with most stuff, and the guitars work great with Doom music.

>>15941095

this is how you make "under water" or even the illusion of multi level rooms. Invisible portals is also how these things where largely handled in the build engine. Although most of those things can also be dealt with gimmicks added in gzdoom.

>>15941088

nuts.wad

>>15943673

Make friendly monsters emit an invisible constant area of effect attack that does 0 damage.

>>15943673

Assuming this is Zdoom, you can make it so friendly monsters call a_alertmonsters with the right flags to wake them up.

>>15943855

>>15943756

Thanks, I'll try it.

>>15937821

It had a lot of good things like using platforming well but had some really dumb mistakes like the glory kills, small enemy count and no mods. I would still consider it the best FPS in years only because being decent is better than being complete shit.

>>15939098

It's almost like Bethesda purposely tried to make the game look as shit as possible. The game isn't as faced paced as the original Doom but it is about Half-life 1 speed which by modern game standards is extremely fast. Why they made the glory kills non optional however is something that will forever be the biggest stain of this game and I know for a fact the reason they put it was was because Brutal Doom had it and it pisses me off because Brutal Doom is fucking casual shit. At least they had the sense to not add in reloading.

Faggots only hate it because it wasn't (doom 2)²

You can't appease retards because anything other of what they were expecting is going to absolute shit, even if its a good game or a great game that approved upon the original ten fold. Not to say that doom 4 had no problems, but to homos its nazi fascist scum coming up straight from kiev to hang them in treblinka.

Not like it matters because these mulattoes are an absolute miniscule audience compared to sane people who don't play vidya on their ass 20 hours a day.

>>15943855

This one doesn't make them attack the friendlies, just makes them active. They still need to be attacked first and by then it's too late. I'm assuming this: >>15943756

will work, but I need to test it.

>some madman remade all Doom songs for the Genesis to not sound like farts as part of a project where some homebrewer is remaking the Doom 32X port to be closer to the Jaguar version

>>15942091

It sure sounds great in Doom 1. I'll have to keep playing it on Doom 2 to really find the difference in its soundtrack.

>>15943756

Doesn't work either. Fuck this shit, I give up.

>>15949045

Try a 1 and then -1 damage area with a 1/2 second tick or something.

OP is S'Arais, what the fuck. Mods pls delete thread.

>>15949111

Nope, they only target a friendly monster after they've been attacked by it.

>>15949338

Hale Hortler 13/99

>>15949438

Go make more faggy wishes in the monkey's paw thread.

>>15939700

Fact: Caleb>Wang>Douk in terms of character.

>>15939280

after you get a few ammo upgrades you can just shoot them until they die since ammo wont usually be a problem if you remember to use the chainsaw.

it can get stupid in those snapmaps though, when youre getting by on very limited resources and expected to glory kill everything you can to save ammo.

This is the only way to play nudoom

>>15939700

Are people just over-sensitive faggots and brutal doom triggered them so hard they just associate it with gibs? The major gameplay feature that brutal doom relies on is limb detection. Very few games, even hardcore FPS, do this. Besides KF, where else can you shoot someone's head off with your fists, kicks, and other unorthodox projectiles?

>>15949642

>nudoom fag embedding Youtube

I hope your IQ isn't contagious.

>>15949699

Postal?

>>15949699

People didn't like BD because it attracted a lot of faggots into the community. Every wad was filled with "DOES IT WORK WITH BD?" and every modder would be bombarded with DMs asking them to include BD support.

>>15949752

>not just doing it themselves

Normalfags have no drive or initiative.

>>15938411

If you disregard an entire board because of one post you don't belong here

>>15939501

>Moreover, enemies in nuDoom are incredibly mobile and like to circle around you, so upping the enemy count would simply make it impossible to keep track of what's happening, as opposed to simple enemies like in the OG who move slowly and only shoot in straight lines.

And yet OG Doom has the exact same effect through ambush-style enemy placement, and monsters in OG Doom also hit like a truck on Ultra Violence. I'm not sure where you're going with this. You agree nuDoom is bad, but then you reject recommendations on what could make it better by posting a video showing some of the exact enemy design philosophy which makes it so boring for you. You say you want environmental hazards, but that has nothing to do with fixing enemy AI. You're all over the place, and I don't think anyone here can help you with video games.

>>15949752

Does that mean every fag on goonworld has to write a 5-page essay on how shitty BD is every time someone mentions it, though?

>>15939971

>caused the influx of normalfags that demand BD be compatible with every mod

It managed to bring a modern AAA style into a old 90s title, of course they would eat it up.

The compatiblity thing is insane i give you that.

>spawned copycats, Brutal Duke 3d, brutal quake, brutal half life, brutal chex quest, brutal wolf3d, brutal heritic, brutal doom64, etc.

BD was a huge success and set a "standard" in consequence of it. I hate how Brutal into a title like Gory Mod. Could understand doom64, but the rest is mostly "marketing".

>guy who made the mod caused some E-drama with other doomed faggots

Faggots x Faggot

>Brutal doom sucks ass, if a nigga wanted gore he'd play SoF

inb4 Brutal SoF mod appears : ^)

>>15952219

Wouldn't be surprised if they outright ban discussion of it like the ZDoomer forums.

>>15952451

There's no better way to make you git gud at doom than by forcing you to watch some BR take his sweet time through the level while chatting with the queued players, and who dies near the end anyway, every time you die.

>>15952196

>And yet OG Doom has the exact same effect through ambush-style enemy placement

That's exactly the thing. olDoom can only achieve this with fixed ambushes which will practically play out the same way each time. The AI in games like FEAR, Descent and nuDoom allows them to ambush you simply on their own accord, giving a fights/levels a sense of dynamism and unpredictability otherwise not possible in situations where enemies are expected to behave the designer in only this exact way he wants them to. The effect of an ambush in olDoom is gone after you experience it the first time, whereas the unpredictable enemy behavior and enemy routes in Descent mean enemies may not always be where you expect them to be. The only requirement here is that the levels are circular or non-linear enough to give the AI enough space to execute sneak attacks in the first place.

>You say you want environmental hazards, but that has nothing to do with fixing enemy AI

Nigga what? The comment about environmental hazards was made in response to the repetitive arena design, not AI. It wouldn't fix the AI to begin with, but it would at least challenge the player in some unique and different way.

>You agree nuDoom is bad, but then you reject recommendations on what could make it better by posting a video showing some of the exact enemy design philosophy which makes it so boring for you

You misunderstand completely. The enemies in nuDoom are going for a quality vs. quantity approach. "More enemies" would be a stopgap solution and very likely to be overwhelming in practice. Not impossible, but just overwhelming in the sense that you never feel like you're in control because of all the projectile leading going on making it difficult to consistently avoid damage.

The biggest problems with the enemies are that not enough of them actually intrude on your personal space or try to lock down your options for mobility. You don't have enemies actively trying to prevent you from getting up platforms and enemies who are actively harder to fight on even ground than if you were to have the high ground. You don't have enemies firing attacks which require to be jumped or even doublejumped over. You don't have enemies firing even homing attacks. You don't have enemies firing indiscriminately in every direction. You don't have enemies actively discouraging you from using some of your weapons in one way or another. There's almost nothing in nuDoom which poses a sudden high-priority threat to force you to change up your playstyle. Mere numbers don't fix the issue of most enemies doing nothing but firing projectiles from a distance with leading and being too easy to avoid.

>>15937821

If it had mod tools I wouldn't have any major problems with it as the dogshit movement and annoying nu-RPG upgrades could be solved in 5 minutes

>>15939098

D44M isn't a DNF

When they realised what a mess they made the fired half of the company and restarted the project by just doing what the public wanted

>>15967697

Old fag here.

NuDoom is better than the old Doom. The shitty mazelike level design is gay as fuck and the game moves so fast it gives me motion sickness.

>>15967780

He didn't say "oldfag", he said "old fag", meaning he's just an aged faggot. He probably started yesterday.

>>15967780

Wow, anon says something you misunderstood, and you go ballistic. Maybe you should leave?

>>15967769

>unironically defending the heap of literal waste that is DOOD

There is not a single good aspect to that game. Not a single fucking one.

>>15968375

Not even the graphics?

>>15968398

Nope, shit looks bad. Environments are too sterile and demons designs aren't great. The color palette is also very bad.

>>15968398

Technology is wasted on brown on brown for far too long.

>>15939971

>caring about the community

>caring about faggot snowflakes from ZDoom forums being asshurt

>caring about "stealing" free assets from other mods to make your own free mod

Brutal Doom has irrevocably changed the Doom modding scene, and it isn't because "the normalfags" are playing now (hint: they already got bored).

Is there any certain features you would see that should appear more in Urban maps?

I t-try making one

>>15968543

>dash doesn't carry your momentum

why in the FUCK

>>15968548

momentum bad! momentum is for quakefags lol

>>15968568

>grapple is probably tied to the ssg instead of just being a button

>demons still take too long to kill

>dash doesn't carry momentum

>the OH NO IM DYING stagger is probably still in

Glad to see none of the problems of DOOD were fixed

>>15968577

The grapple is indeed tied to the SSG. I've been following the gameplay footage because I desperately want good shooters to come out. It does seem better than 2016 Doom, primarily because the levels seem more organic and less "arena," and I like the classic inspired plasma rifle redesign. But I'm very guarded about it.

>>15968597

I seriously hope they either return to the classic Doom formula or double down on the additions NuDoom added because right now it's in this weird middle ground where you can't even look at it as its own thing the same way you can with Doom 3.

>>15968409

For now.

>>15976925

Until the Moon Man Doom mod spreads around.

Seems like Brutal Doom is pretty well-hated here for the cancer it is, but what's the consensus on Project Brutality? I've been trying it out recently and think it's consistently more engaging than BD. Still has issues but at least gives some more player freedom and has more weapons to mess around with.

>>15977036

It's just BD with more stuff and better focus on what it wants to be, that said it seems 3 is going to be full of even more stuff that are just feature creep so that might not be as true anymore.

>>15977036

Just as shit if not worse.

It has everything people complain about in BD ramped up to 11 and suddenly it's not just not a problem, it's what makes it good. Go figure.

>>15979351

Ancient Aliens.

>>15968409

cry more with your fake macros, furfag.

>>15979576

It wasn't one, pretty sure it was either a megawad or an episode replacer.

>>15979581

Well, color me retarded, as always.

>>15979581

Still pretty vague though

>>15979595

It had the hell aesthetic from the later episodes of Ultimate Doom if that helps any.

was doom 64 the only console port that was a completely different game?

>>15979617

yeah I was checking the psx port and it seems it only changes the HUD (which I really like), music and some stuff with the graphics, it also seems to change how the weapons work and adds a new enemy but I'm not really sure

>>15979627

Fair. I know people mistake the D64 weapons for being 1:1, but they're blatantly not; The chaingun definitely fires perhaps half-a-tic faster.

>>15979651

>I now people mistake the d64 weapons for being 1:1

there are? I've never seen anyone say that, it's very noticeable with the shotguns, they reload much faster than pc plus d64 also adds that weird laser gun and the double chainsaw

>>15979662

I'm absolutely certain the D64 weapons are not 1:1. Even if you gave the classic weapons D64's noise, it would sounds an octave slower…

isn't octave like, pitch and shit? fuck man I dunno I couldn't into school.

Still, the Unmaker was glorious and made the BFG look like a peashooter.

>>15979382

>>15979430

Thanks dudes.

>>15979608

Doom 64 was not a port. It was an original game with new assets and levels.

Who /cowboy/ here?

>>15979666 (checked)

>unmaker

that's the name of the laser gun? yeah it was cool and it was pretty neat that you could upgrade it if you played for the secret levels, which sadly I never did

>>15979673

was it always supposed to be a new game or did they change plans?

>>15979673

Yeah, which is what a lot of people don't get. To be fair; who even realized it wasn't a port before they heard of it, given the countless other ports?

>>15979676

Term and I despise eachother, but the funny fucker making the placeholder art for this…

The sun is literally a pizza.

>>15979608

>>15979673

To expand on this a bit, D64 was something of a pet project at id and virtually the only reason they didn't call it Doom 3 was that engine was not up to par. The team was very happy with the game and got sent on a paid vacation by Carmack after he saw the final build.

>>15979683

>was it always supposed to be a new game or did they change plans?

Yes, see >>15979698

>>15979686

>Yeah, which is what a lot of people don't get. To be fair; who even realized it wasn't a port before they heard of it, given the countless other ports?

Good question. There was no hype for the game and next to no advertising other than "it's Doom for the N64". I think id just went on a roll with this project because the system architecture was demanding, but didn't know how to market it since they already had Quake out and this was a step back.

>>15979709

>step back.

More like a side-step really.

>>15979705

No sauce for this one, I read it in print back in 97 or so. Midway developed D64 nominally, but the project was heavily curated and assisted by id.

>>15979717

Seems plausible and I belive you; but I'd need the confirmation. Sorry brother.

Also, OTEX is out, kinda. See what you can make with it; or we could always organize our own project.

>>15979698

>>15979717

interesting, honestly they should've called it doom 3, it's way more doom than the actual 3 or 4 are

>>15979722

>OTEX

what's that?

>>15979732

New mega-pack of textures along the lines of CC4

Eviternity was it's Premiere.

>>15979738

eviternity looks pretty good, I'll check it out some day

>>15979745

just use the vintage version, that one doesnt have it I think, it's still as bloated and laggy though

>>15979757

Shame it's done by some of the uptight little shits of the vetran's cabal. Admirable work; but the people are dramacunts.

>>15979722

Yeah, I get you, I should have shut up since I have no idea where I could dig that quote from now. I'll stand by that '96 Midway was not any likely to have designed and produced the game by themselves, though, and that there's a lot of tells in the game to that effect.

>>15979775

I guess that's pretty fair too. I'm genuinely curious what could have transpired if DOOM was made to the same acclaim and with the availability of today's tech.

>>15979784

Thank you dubsfag.

>>15979826

Not that kind of doom, Anon.

>>15979803

Just some bot Anon

>>15980236

I figured when we got discount goatse'd.

Shame.

>>15979745

Shut up and stop spreading bullshit. This is the actual code.

https://github.com/coelckers/gzdoom/blob/master/src/d_anonstats.cpp

So you can see that it is collecting only what it needs to to determine what the userbase of GZDoom has in terms of power, but you have to explicitly opt-in, and if they aren't actually conducting a survey the code doesn't even get compiled. 3.5.0 was the last version to have it, the latest one does not.

>>15979757

No the vintage build included the code in 3.5.0 and there's even stats posted for that.

https://github.com/drfrag666/gzdoom/blob/legacy/src/d_anonstats.cpp

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61807

Again though, there is virtually nothing personal to derive out of this and it's with your consent if you're that worried about what the devs will do with the data. Assuming you aren't leaking even more to their site through your web browser.

>>15980375

hi graf

>>15980390

Just the facts Ma'am. I understand if you're suspicious of telemetry features. You're not actually wrong to be when so often it's bulk collection. However in this case, it actually is being done in an ethical manner, where only the minimum data collection is done in order to determine what class of systems use GZDoom and whether certain legacy support is worth retaining. You can verify the entire thing is opt-in and such through the source code, and even if for whatever reason you don't trust their compiled versions to be doing what it says, self-compile, or run with a packet sniffer and validate it for yourself.

I feel it needs to be made explicit that the #ifdef stuff at the start actually controls what code is actually used. If that one thing is defined, then 99% of the source file (i.e. the entirety of the telemetry) doesn't even reach the compiler. All that does is dummy functions that do nothing. The telemetry literally doesn't exist. This is how it is for the majority of GZDoom versions except the ones that say they include it in the news page.

Aliens vs Predator mod updated if you anons haven't seen it. From what I played it seems much better than the other alien mods out there.

>>15937821

It's a literal cheap cash-in on Brutal Doom's fifteen minutes of fame, except that it cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and arrived several years late to the punch. As a game released in 2016 it has the sort of dubstep soundtrack that it was fashionable for games to have in 2013 and a sense of humour that revolves around making the Doom Guy do the Gangnam Style dance from 2012 and come across arrow in the knee references from 2011's Skyrim. They put Denuvo Anti-Tamper into the game to stop people from making mods for it when the game it's ostensibly the successor to was a massive innovator for modding that has massive mod projects still being released to this day. Mod projects like, y'know, Brutal Doom.

As a grossly overpaid, soulless corporate suit game designer, is it even possible to get any more "how do you do, fellow kids" than that?

>>15979351

Can't believe Anon's work isn't posted every thread.

Freespace vid when

>>15945619

It's one of the worst parts of Brutal Doom too. Ironically you can switch them off in BD and switch to smash mode instead.

>>15945619

Crazier still are some of the perks you can get during the game. One makes the enemies stagger from less damage, but it increases their damage resistance when they're staggered. So effectively it makes the enemies weaker, but more difficult to kill unless you go near them and press the meme button.

Also another one increases the speed of the killing animations. So much so that you can't often even tell what happens, other than your camera control gets taken from you for a second and the enemies die to some bone cracking and splatting sounds.

>>15979651

And the plasma gun fires noticeably slower. Which the guy who made Smooth Doom inexplicably decided to keep when he released a version that included the D64 plasma gun sprite. The whole appeal of Smooth Doom was better aesthetics without affecting gameplay, and then he went and fucked it up. You can't even choose to keep or replace individual weapon sprites now. It's all or nothing, so if you want to use the D64 sprites at all, you need to put up with a slower plasma gun.

>>15993028

are there any other mods that add d64's weapons?

>>15993211

Not that I know of.

1 is final doom really that bad

2 is alien trilogy better than final doom

3 have enemy spawns been nerfed in the ps1 version of doom

4 good doom clone homebrew etc for the psp/ps1 (i mean good so dont say hexen)

>>15941121

prey, the first one

>>15994416

>Even though there are issues with NuDoom you have to admit that it's vastly vastly better than pretty much all modern shooters.

That's a very, very low standard.

>>15994444

Quads of truth but i'm still right.

>>15989967

I agree, but at the same time Project Brutality does what Brutal Doom does better.

>>15994469

Being shit?

>>15994479

Nope, being an enjoyable mod for an already enjoyable game. Keep being mad that other people are having fun you don't approve of though, it's rather funny to me.

>>15994482

Brutal doom is shit, therefore anything based off of it is shit.

What did people think of the Golden Souls 2? I wanted to like it for the heart that went into it, but it was just so damn boring.

>Almost every level is very easy, but massive and tedious to navigate

>Enemies are more a waste of time than an actual threat

>A big chunk of the gameplay is just sniping things in huge open areas, zero risk and zero fun

>Ammo and money are in such extreme abundance that they feel pointless

>Progression is uninteresting, as new weapons and enemies are barely different from vanilla Doom stuff

>Finding big coins is a mind numbing challenge of checking every last corner in giant, empty levels

At least I can say the graphics were excellent, and kept improving the further I got.

>>15996642

Have only played the early version and quit before the end for reasons I'll explain latter on.

>Almost every level is very easy, but massive and tedious to navigate

I didn't find levels to be particularly easy but they did go for an approach where most of the levels are more or less the same but with a different skin, I don't recall levels being particularly bad to navigate although if you're revisiting levels I can see it being much less fun as the few forced revisits suck really hard

>Enemies are more a waste of time than an actual threat

>A big chunk of the gameplay is just sniping things in huge open areas, zero risk and zero fun

Starman and soaring comet difficulty are there for a reason, just like in the first Golden Souls however they might straddle the line with complete bullshit at times.

In early versions one of the latter boss was nearly unbeatable on those two difficulties, that's pretty much why I dropped the mod because it was either godmode which my autism refused to accept or redo the whole fucking thing on a newer patch because saves don't transfer between versions.

>Ammo and money are in such extreme abundance that they feel pointless

I'm gonna assume it's balanced against you playing on an higher difficulty because I didn't have many places where I thought to myself I had too much resources not to mention coins heal you when you have too much money and that's actually relevant in higher difficulties.

>Progression is uninteresting, as new weapons and enemies are barely different from vanilla Doom stuff

Soaring comet difficulty replaces the whole cast of enemies with more bullshit variants if that's something you care for.

>Finding big coins is a mind numbing challenge of checking every last corner in giant, empty levels

Minus a handful that are straight up just pure bullshit most of those you can find if you've played a collectathon and use your eyes.

Not to mention the levels are all designed in such a way that they're almost all split in 3 sections and a section only has a single big coin that's more than enough clues to help you find them.

I'm more pissed at those that require some bullshit platforming with instadeath if you miss it.

Doom 2016 is a sole-successor to doom, proof me wrong /v/

>>15996642

>>15996907

That's pretty much par for the course. Blame Jimmy for forcing his views into the project.

So I've tried Doom on and off and I'm really not feeling the magic while playing through the base game, which confuses me because I expected to be blown away.

I'm not saying it's bad of course. In comparison to most shooters these days it's still great.

Perhaps it's just its age showing and I'm judging it unfairly, I dunno. How is Doom 2 compared to 1?

>>15997148

i giggled for some reason

>>15937821

i actually agree although the "music" was so fucking terrible that it actually made me angry. industrial noise then a couple of drop C pinch harmonics is not "epic" no matter how badly you wish you were the cancer bats or whoever the fuck

>>15990339

this is actually pretty accurate.

>>15990339

based

>>15945619

>Why they made the glory kills non optional however

They are completely optional, what are you talking about? They even put a gameplay option in the settings menu that lets you turn off the flashing on staggering and color change when you're in glory kill range. You don't require glory kills to win the game, and on the highest difficulties, you never want to do it unless you feel you need to. There are lots of things that can one shot you, so any time you glory kill there's a risk you'll be dead as soon as your invincible animation ends. Also, enemies still drop health and ammo when you get low, regardless of glory killing.

>>15991341

Those perks are explicitly for the people who want to mash the meme button. That first perk is for all the retards that just want to "wow le ebin gory kill!!1" keypress everything in existence. That second perk ruins the animation, but it lowers the chances of you getting hit when the animation is over. You really want to see some retarded shit, watch someone combine those two perks with the "execute a glory kill from farther away." Stupid niggers can use that combo to practically stagger everything on screen in ten seconds and then warp around the entire room meme-mashing everything.

>>15998335

I'm not really sure what I'm looking at there other than a list of "not approved" WADs somewhere, but christ does the ban reason column look like nothing but a pile of salt. Whoever runs that place is mega gay.

>>15999438

>I'm not really sure what I'm looking at there other than a list of "not approved" WADs somewhere,

That's pretty much what it is. The biggest ironic part is that they seriously uses "muh stolen asset" as a reason as if not a lot of doom mods and maps uses stuff from other games such as blood and duke nukem. I guess it is not "community approved" enough for them to let it slip in or something. One could make a fairly large list of this "no stolen assets" when done strictly.

>but christ does the ban reason column look like nothing but a pile of salt

Pretty much this.

>>15999438

>>15999646

it is pure salt

>>15999646

By "stolen assets" they likely meant plagiarized assets.

>>15997158

The transition of demons and monsters to the evil unknown to prospects for romance and marriage is a hell of a gordian knot to try and figure out.

>>15994496

Nope. Brutal Doom is good and fun and Project Brutality is even more good fun. Again, keep being mad that other people are having fun you don't approve of though, it's still very amusing to me.

>>15990339

>SNES Doom

Dude, that shit is basically unplayable, it was the absolute worst of the console ports.

>>15998335

What's up with tc32.wad?

>>15993064

>>15997243

>>16000038

>unironically responding to bait

>>16000907

based

>>15994376

Final Doom is just Doom plus the mission packs developed by third parties, TNT and Plutonia. Now truthfully the vanilla maps have a fair number of shit maps, but they are sprinkled around for the most part and are more digestible. TNT and Plutonia are consistently annoying throughout for the same reasons, primarily that they use the most annoying enemies and place them in ridiculous locations. Also, Plutonia has an extremely tedious secret level that you beat by killing every monster.

>>15997151

Personally I think the levels from 1 are better.

>>15997151

1 has much better level design (DUDE CHAINGUNNERS LMAO) and music but 2 added a ton of content and technical tricks and is really more like an expansion pack than its own entity. Doom is also one of those things that you appreciate more with context; it sticks in the back of your head and when you play any pretty much any other shooter you'll be thinking "damn I wish this was more like Doom" at some point. Using shotguns and plasma rifles to tear through hordes of screaming demons as you sprint through hell with MIDI covers of metal songs blasting in the background isn't really something that you can get anywhere else or that you can keep yourself from coming back to on a regular basis.

Also if you're not playing on at least UV you're doing it wrong. Lower difficulties in id games are there for women, children and the retarded.

>>15941121

There is a map called The Quirky Domain (quirkdoom.pk3) that executes this pretty well.

>play doom

>get bored

>play brutal doom

>actually fun shit

Apologize, /v/.

>>16002719

No

>>16002719

GO FUCK YOURSELF

>>16004497

>>16004457

>bropholgopglrol

Please die

>>16004588

like brutal doom?

fucking garbage, sgt. mark beds journalists.

>>16004683

Since when were journalists worth a second thought? I don't give a shit if he sleeps with president of Viacom, it's just a mod that I thought was fun.

>>16004712

>buzzwords

>>16004933

See? You don't need edgelord wads. The real cheese is DoomRLA + DoomRPG. Puts gearbox to shame

>>16004933

Play REKKR.

>>16004974

> I don't get mods like DRLA since they break the game's flow.

That's kind of why it's enjoyed. It's better to go in with the idea of "i'm not the doomguy, i'm just some chump the UAC had as reserves, i have to think more tactfully and consider my options; as well as find weapons fitting to the situation and, depending, particular upgrade trees"

DRPG makes this even more nuts with random events; Pandora's Box is one of them (spits out an item, then begins spawning enemys all over the map. Basically a "risk of rain" type thing where the longer you're there, the more difficult it gets, but better rewards)

It's really odd; might be best to go with an idea of "Hey, what if I wrote a story about this playthrough?"

Also it has a really odd behavior where you can carry progress between wads, due to it's hub.

>>16004988

Lithium is the only one like that I've been able to get into and that's at least partly because it doesn't require many extra keybinds and plays pretty straightforwardly, at least with the marine class. Generally speaking though I like mods that A: only change one element of the game, and B: keep the gameplay pace similar to the base game.

Also for helper mods, the one I find makes a serious difference is Demon Counterstrike which periodically spawns monsters and items around the player. It stops my general tendency to be methodical in playing the game and keeps you going and on your toes especially if backtracking is involved. The only annoying thing is that you have to manually toggle the Doom 2 stuff off in the menu when using it for Doom. There's also AI Director but I haven't tried that one.

Another neat one is Legendoom Lite which makes some monsters into legendaries, that hulk out when damaged enough. The not-lite version has extra powerful weapons too colour-coded similarly to Colourful Hell.

>>15939603

The game didn't even get any DLC except for token multiplayer content unlocks.

Found another reality breaking map: Impossible: A New Reality. Unlike Quirky Domain it doesn't use the true portal types, instead it's closer to the line-to-line teleport lines so you don't for example see monsters through transition points. It's still really cool in design though.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/g-i/imposs

>>16005141

This is part of the reason I generally don't use nicknames in general. Even negative connotation ones like nu-Doom.

Is there a better source port for doom than gzdoom, something that doesn't shit the bed when I play more than one wad and actually doesn't just use my cpu.

>>16006606

Eternity Engine, K8vavoom or EDGE. The latter 2 have OpenGL rendering.

>>16007288

>pack actually starts at '94

Well I right fucked up. Windows file ordering is for shit.

>>16007344

I know that feel, I'm still annoyed that 0 doesn't start before 1.

>>15940250

>fatalities mandatory

So you didn't play it. Good to know.

>>15977036

As far as I know the PB devs are working to stray away from the Brutal Doom influence as they had a falling out with Sgt. MarkIV ever since Mark accused them of stealing his work despite intitially helping them with their 3.0 builds, as well as the overall disappointment with the most recent Brutal Doom builds feeling like buggy betas filled with feature creep instead of release candidates as they were named as. So far the Project Brutality devs are working on optimizing and refining the overall mod, starting with overhauling the weapon code and animations and then working on optimizing the gore and monsters to run better than MarkIV's coding.

At least now the revolver reload doesn't look like you are punching the bullets into the cylinder anymore.

>>15979745

Just be aware that newer versions use OpenAL instead of FModEX, some mods are fucked in the newer version and Chris/Nash won't fix it despite bitching and moaning for Randy to add their failed sound system to ZDoom.

>>16020561

FMOD is proprietary cancer that has no place in an open source engine. I'm happy they gutted it. OpenAL is also competent and can do the positional audio trickery seen with Aureal 3D for example, and it's godly using it as the Wine backend with Thief 1 and 2. Also older versions of GZDoom don't have Fluidsynth which is an infinitely better softsynth than Timidity++.

Still the 3.7 versions have been a serious clusterfuck in terms of breaking things, as to be expected though given what it changed.

>>15937821

>le epic rip and tear maymay

faggot supposed doom fans like gggmanlives can't even make an actual review of this game, just parrot le badass Doom comic quotes. Fuck Doom 4, Doom Eternal will suck ass too.

>>16021826

>A3D uses a subset of the actual in-game 3D world data to accurately model the location of both direct (A3Dspace) and reflected (A3Dverb) sound streams (A3D 2.0 can perform up to 60 first-order reflections). EAX 1.0, the competing technology at the time promoted by Creative Labs, simulated the environment with an adjustable reverb—it didn't calculate any actual reflections off the 3D surfaces.

>Creative Labs sued Aureal for patent infringement in March 1998 [1], and Aureal countersued for patent infringement and deceptive trade practices. Aureal won the lawsuit brought by Creative in December 1999. However, the cost of the legal battle caused Aureal's investors to cease funding operations, forcing Aureal into bankruptcy. Creative then acquired Aureal's assets in September 2000 through the bankruptcy court with the specific provision that Creative Labs would be released from all claims of past infringement by Creative Labs upon Aureal's A3D technology. Creative Labs has not chosen to support the A3D API.

Fuck Creative.

>>16022795

why use SSAO and shadowmaps anyways?

>>16026238

On the bright side if he does go totally bonkers, it'll likely lead to a more competent fork or shift to other engines.

>>16023440

Have you seen the competence of the average modder? Thoughtlessly adding eye candy and pajeet-tier programming.

>>16026265

>On the bright side if he does go totally bonkers

Happened once before were he removed his whole GZDoom repository and later came back anyway. https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/50624-fastest-opengl-source-port-engine-for-wads/?do=findComment&comment=868002

> it'll likely lead to a more competent fork or shift to other engines.

Its don't. There won't be a effort to make "GZDoom but gud performance" because there is already one actively developed.

>>16026377

>Happened once before were he removed his whole GZDoom repository and later came back anyway.

That was when ZDoom was still actively developed and dominant, while GZDoom was more of a curiosity along with ZDoomGL (defunct). Had to refresh my memory a bit but GZDoom was open source even then (some source ports like Skulltag that used the old Doom Source License would withhold it) so that was a non-issue. Nowadays it's totally irrelevant because GZDoom is not only fully GPL, plenty of other people have copies of it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100126010318/http://grafzahl.drdteam.org:80/page.php?page=230

>Its don't. There won't be a effort to make

The situation is not bad enough to demand one yet. Also the only actively developed fork that will have decent mod compatibility is temporary (vintage build).

>>15949704

nobody gives a shit retard

>>16026238

Don't worry anon once he discovers mesh shaders you'll just need an RTX.

>>16026238

but why bother with all that shit? I just use software render and get over it

>>16026759

is that esrgan or whatever it's called? I've seen one made for half life

Cuck/vr/ reaches new lows as calling out term for being a shitposting goon that derails the thread with tranny bullshit and political garbage is now a bannable offense.

>>16028898

please go away

>>15939971

>first pic

>>16028916

help, all my weapon and ammo and enemy sprites are invisible in gzdoom

>>16040302

Sounds like you are playing a typical TermiusEst13 mod. You should delete it and play a better mod.

>>16040341

I am not playing a mod, I am trying to play vanilla Doom 1 and 2. In both games, no sprites for enemies, weapons, or ammo pick ups. Maybe it's my gzdoom.

>>16040427

>gzdoom

Have you tried chocolate?

>>16040477

Yeah, and it works just fine, but I wanted to use gzdoom cause I can customize my keyboard layout. I don't think there's a way I can do that with chocolate doom, or if there is, I am not aware of it. I'll check it out.

>>16028898

>calling out term for being a shitposting goon that derails the thread with tranny bullshit and political garbage

He does what now?

>>16040427

If you want vanilla then do Chocolate Doom. That's almost 1:1 with the original game at least in terms of gameplay. But in case you aren't just being an idiot, that's a known issue with ATI and you should update your drivers if that applies.

>>16040282

All I take away from that is the devs actually looking into an issue that some holier-than-thou dumbass wasn't going to report themselves.

>>16040714

Oh fuck. I totally didn't expect this response. Yeah you got me, I'm Rachael. Because of course anyone who says anything remotely nice about GZDoom is Rachael, and not someone bothered that people don't have a fucking clue what they're screaming about.

# 1 "d_anonstats.cpp"
# 1 "<built-in>"
# 1 "<command-line>"
# 1 "/usr/include/stdc-predef.h" 1 3 4
# 1 "<command-line>" 2
# 1 "d_anonstats.cpp"



void D_DoAnonStats()
{
}

void D_ConfirmSendStats()
{
}

If "muh privacy" people can't even get something as basic as this into their head, what chance do they have of making valid criticisms?

>>16040839

Because it's a pointless moan that never seems to permanently fuck off, and basically signals "the opinions of this thread are worthless". It's a fact that GZDoom has a dogshit programming philosophy in trying to push the system requirements higher and higher. So complain about that. Not meaningless issues like how it decides the rate at which it happens.

Who's Rachel?

>>16041026

sauce on the yelling webm? I had it a while ago but I forgot what it was

This shit is unfun. The level design is completely gay. John Romero was always a talentless hack.

>>16041386

I've told people countless times that cuck/vr/ doom is censorville. Can't post anything that goes against the hivemind there.

I dare anybody to shit on the doom-celebs there and see how long it takes for them to claim it's one person.

>>16042110

yes, s'arais, we know how shitter-shattered you are

>>16021824

>OpenAL is also competent

Except that the audio now sounds like crackling ass with OpenAL and the devs refuse to fix any bugs regarding OpenAL.

>Still the 3.7 versions have been a serious clusterfuck in terms of breaking things, as to be expected though given what it changed.

OpenAL has been bugged since 3.0, which was back in 2017.

>>16042270

OpenAL Soft too? Because if audio fuck-ups were there I would definitely notice. Regardless, I declare proprietary dependencies verbatim to any project that considers themself open source. Especially Doomsday.

>>16042443

This is neither cuckchannel nor reddit.

>>16042443

Shut the fuck up. Because Doom has been nothing short of god-tier in terms of modding. In fact, the fucking original developers of the game were responsible. You have the 1994 mapping community that while reviled in a Cacoward, were the first. DEUTEX, DeHackED, and a whole lot more map editors and other editors. Then more and more and more and more and you have what exists today as the Doom modding scene making what may as well not be a Doom mod.

I am on the piss but you need to know that this is not some random occurrence but the culmination of decades of millions of people who adore the first major first-person shooter game and were pushed to its limits by the contributions of the very developers who made it. If it were not for id Software releasing the source code to their game, there would not be anything like this.

>>16042443

>>16042484

>he baits so painfully obviously for replies, and yet he still gets his (you)s

kudos tbh

>>16042404

>OpenAL Soft too?

I'm not too sure what you mean by OpenAL Soft. Can you clarify?

>Regardless, I declare proprietary dependencies verbatim to any project that considers themself open source.

And I declare the fucking thing should actually work. It would have been fine if we could have made our own builds to re-enable FMOD. As it stands, I can't play anything past a certain version because OpenAL is a piece of shit and the devs of GZDoom do nothing to fix it even when people report issues.

>>16042637

Fork of OpenAL when they tried to close it down à la OpenAL. You only have yourself to blame if proprietary code decides to fuck you in the ass later.

https://github.com/kcat/openal-soft

>>16042655

So, exactly what's the difference between the two? I've never really paid much attention to openAL since next to no one uses it.

>You only have yourself to blame if proprietary code decides to fuck you in the ass later.

It hasn't fucked me the ass. Open Source has though.

>>16042628

>Romero

>Respect

Right. Romero only came back to the Doom Community because no one was giving him attention anymore. If he wanted legit criticism he would post under another name and not reveal himself. It's all about John getting ass pats.

And I sure hope someone does Doom the way Tom Hall did. Tom Hall's maps were what made Doom 1 an interesting set of maps.

>>16042718

Rachael manipulated Randy for years going back to 2011. There's a post somewhere (probably now deleted) where one Rachael mentions they played WoW 3 together.

>>16042628

>>16042665

I warned people about this faggotry, but nah, they decided to mock me instead. Where's your tea leaves now, bitch?

>>16042767

I don't know who you are since I don't keep up with all the (Z)Doom drama, but I'm pretty sure everyone saw this coming for the last two years.

Possibly fun idea, can we get a "tranny mode" for moon man doom? It might be really funny to trigger those fags on ZDF once they're done with their little Romero project using it. I can't draw for shit, but I might be able to help with other stuff.

>>15937821

Titanfall 2 was better than doom 4.

>>16043451

Actually, perhaps just a "leftist only mode" where instead of shooting kikes and nigs it replaces everything with soyboys and bulldykes, with a sprinkling of trannies for good measure.

>>16043463

I think that would compromise enemy variety somewhat, there are a lot of enemies in doom and a lot of ethnic groups in the world, it just fits pretty well so far.

Blacks in MooN already occupy a majority of roles as the imps, barons, knights, cyberdemons and something else I forgot.

There's already big red in the game, but if you want to just make it a lefty killing simulator, you'd need to stretch feminists, trannies, soyboys and antifa over dozens of enemies to replace, and I'm not sure if that's feasible or creative enough.

Maybe you should ask the guys who work on it, there's a repo somewhere that has their names.

>>15997158

You're telling me. They also translate some stuff that hasn't been translated in english yet.

>>16043569

Thanks bud, and yeah you're right. If spriting wasn't such a pain in the ass I think we'd see more progress on stuff like this, but that's just the way it is. I guess we'll just have to laugh when they finally piss regular people off enough that it spills into IRL, but that's years off.

>>16041026

that was actually pretty pathetic anon

>>16042767

>>16042805

>I warned people about this faggotry, but nah, they decided to mock me instead.

>I'm just saying the veterans are becoming soggy, mouldy cunts set in their own ways and refusing to deviate and think their word is law, driving everybody off. Acting like their way to map is the only acceptable way

contrary to what your fucking degenerate delusional mind would have you believe, this is completely unrelated to (rightfully) shitting on your terrible maps and having no tolerance for your fantasy vendetta

>>16044245

I got nothing

>>16044245

It's probably better than Zdoom, I bet.

>>16043451

GetPlayerInfo can get the player's gender, if it's not 0 (male) or 1 (female) you could have it spam something related to trannies.

>>16044588

Most used to assume that the third option was more related to cyborgs, but hey; anything to piss off the domineering man-children. Kate may of been a fucking tranny, but I doubt they'd of wanted to see the sorry state.

>>16043515

I expanded the SJW in Moonman doom so the hair can be a random color when they spawn. I also have a ton of sounds for the see state.

complex doom or gtfo

>>16044960

At least they're honest about it being a clusterfuck.

>>16044656

That'd be correct because it originates from Quake 2 (more prominent in Quake 3 though) where the player may be a robotic or cyborg character, and gendered pronouns wouldn't make sense for things like obituary strings ("player stumbled on his/her/its own grenade" and such). Refer to the threads >>16042104 where someone actually tried to get the pronoun "it" changed because of SJW bullshittery and not knowing the historical context, and the outcome was "Other" got expanded to "Neutral" and "Object" and otherwise got left alone.

What could work is just if you choose "female" because none of the playable classes in MMD are but if you do something like that don't make it break the mod. Just make it do something silly like Trump Doom does with easiest difficulty.

>>16045291

Christ, nothing is sacred.

>>16045325

I don't like that it was changed at all but my expectations were a lot worse. The end result is Graf not giving a fuck while Rachael just renamed "other" without doing anything else which I totally did not expect. The split "neutral" and "object" with their own pronouns "themself" and "itself" was yet another person and it sucks that it was accepted, but more speaks indifference on the core developers.

>>16046363

It REALLY shows their true priorities. At least it allows for more code-hooking and use for… something.

>>16046944

>I've had to nag people from a certain other place into reporting stuff

Hey Kinsie you arrogant fuckface, FYI, I have reported shit and half the time it sits there for weeks, months, etc. without even a confirmation from the mighty faggot Graf Zahl himself. After awhile I stop checking because I don't have time to wait for Graf or another dev to reply with "need more information plz" 3 months later, and even if you do, they go silent for another 3 months.

It's also annoying as fuck that there is no way for a guest to upload files. File hosts don't always keep files up forever. It doesn't take much time for him to check new bugs, download the resource before it expires, and go "plz send more info, will fix when have time".

>>16047216

You forgot when they ignore all files and proof and respond immediately with [No] or "That's not a bug" then close the thread before you can explain that, yes, it is in fact a bug. Then you have to make a new thread and suddenly you're public enemy #1.

>>16047345

Again, this is why somebody needs to physically find these fuckers and slap them in the face.

>>16047345

The best one is where Graf chews out people for years after they send in a patch, but then bitches "no one wants to help me", or "I need someone to bounce ideas off of".

One time I remember, Graf poorly wrote code like he always does and someone found a bug. Someone else sent in a patch to fix it whatever flaw it was. Randy was still active at the time and approved the patch because it looked like it worked. Somewhere down the line the patch caused an unforeseen issue. Even removing the patch did not fix said issue. Did Graf take responsibility that his original code was shit? Nope! Everyone else was to blame except King Graf who never makes an error ever and always write perfect code.

Oh and we can't forget the old VortexCortex rage. VC literally told Graf how to fix the renderer so it even worked on ATI, and even offered to help Graf. Graf flew off the handle and bitched and moaned for a day or two before having one final meltdown and deleting GZDoom and its source off of DRDTeam.