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>>15891328

[insert WoW clone #35534634] it's totally not like WoW! based good game I play it all the time!

t. every recommendation you'll get

>>15891328

OSRS if you had any way of avoiding to pay those fags, otherwise good luck trying to find a not dead not wow clone MMO

>>15891357

This

>>15891362

Also this

>>15891366

Oh I wonder if the admins of this private server are either cucked or corrupt (or both) like nearly every other private server admin.

>>15891405

Mid-level ARR is boring as fuck. Things will pick up late game and into Heavensward, assuming you bought the expansions. In the long run you will have a lot of content ahead of you but once you get to the end game you'll find it's mostly just grinding the same shit every week. It basically feels like a drought in-between patches. Also you should role DRG or NIN as they are good DPS's, DRG is easier to learn than NIN.

>>15891420

Thanks 4 the info.

>>15891420

>>15891405

I can second this. The main scenario quest should pick up around 2.3 or so. About the time you fight Leviathan and it'll get progressively better from there. Heavensward is great pretty much all the way through, Stormblood is good, but not as amazing.

/v/scape is really fun but you have to drop the first M since there are never more than 40 players online at once. You have to treat it more like a hybrid adventure game and RPG with a built-in chatroom. Current year official Runescape in all its forms is just retarded fanfiction that should be avoided. Really, there's no such thing as a good MMO besides /v/scape, and it's only as good as it is because it's basically just an evolved MUD.

>>15891438

Stormblood's story is only shit when it's about the Ala Mhigger side. Doma's storyline was pretty enjoyable.

>>15891350

Try this game called life.

wOw

How's Ashes of Creation or Legends of Aria?

I saved those 2 names I guess because there was something interesting about them, but I haven't been following them at all. Are they released yet? Are they good?

>>15891405

Every class feels awful because they gutted them all to make them play at endgame, leveling in FFXIV is the most painful experience especially being forced to sit through the god awful story, HW is alright it lags a bit and then the post-HW story is an absolute fucking mess that shouldn't exist and then SB is just a mess the entire way through, it feels like they threw 3 stories into a blender and hit pulse 9 times.

Currently there absolutely none worth your time, they are either deserted wastelands or totally horrible games.

Wait a year or two though, upcoming generation of MMORPGs seems very promising. Mainly Camelot Unchained for PvP and Pantheon Rise of the Fallen for PvE experience. There are some others like Crowfall and Chronicles of Elyria, but I'm more cautious about those because of questionable bussiness practices of Crowfall and too big of a scope of CoE.

>>15891350

Your first mistake is wanting to make friends with strangers on the internet. If interactions between people in MMOs does not make you want to fire up the ovens, something is wrong with you.

>>15891328

I had always loved Runescape. Shame it's become depopulated and the minigames, my favorite aspect, are dead.

OSRS is just a kick in the nuts too, since you have to give up your thousands of hours of progress and restart.

A crying pity, and a shame.

Your only shot is a Ragnarok Online server, and even then it's already old and well known, and if we all go there the world chat will probably get spammed to hell with

>OY VEY

>niggers

>NTR

>shitty waifus

If you're desperate enough try SS13 :^)

>>15891328

>Skyforge used to be comfy till it got fucked, read rebalanced.

It's been a while since I played that game, what did they change?

>>15891489

Open beta testing for some shitty gamemode starts today. I threw money at AoC over a year ago. It's all just lots of promises right now. But they are at least showing progress.

>>15891554

I've been following pantheon since forever but you're going to have to shill camelot unchained a little more. The impression I got towards the start of this year is that the development is a complete fucking disaster zone, is that no longer correct?

Haven and Hearth was good before but now its probably dead. Fucking swede faggots. Tomenet should still be good.

MMORPG's was a shitty meme just like how battle royale is a meme. There was never any good MMORPG's.

i'd suggest either OSRS or FFXI

i started playing OSRS again with my old account and i've forgotten pretty much everything about how to play, so slowly getting back into it alone. it seems there hasn't been any more faggot parades since the last one, and i hope it stays that way.

as for XI, we got a group going on a private server. game's pretty comfy though we usually play at night only, go here if interested

>>>/vg/100571

What happened to skyforge? I remember really liking that game and dropping it for personal reasons.

WoW is the most polished theme park MMO at the moment. Even though blizzard only cares about profit, doesn't listen to feedback, pro-casualization and anti-consumer only caring about money, lots of RNG, the story is a meme, and the people playing it are normalfags.

Project Gorgon is the best MMO on the market atm.

FFXIV is cozy, but the combat is a slow, boring 2.5 second global cooldown. If you rather ERP and fish and craft useless shit and chat all day on a city hub, FFXIV is for you. The combat and core gameplay is slow paced. Also very grindy.

Old runescape is fun but once you cap there's nothing else to do. Still, if you never experienced it, go ahead and try it out.

RO private servers

RO is fun but it's very dated. If you haven't tried it I'd say give it a try, but if you already have, don't bother

Maple story private servers. It's phone-tier now though

XI is still alive and it is better than XIV gameplay wise, although it is less polished.

although not an MMO, PSO2 is also fun to clock some hours until you realize it's a gacha monster hunter with lots of grinding. nevertheless if you're bored try it out and reach max level. Maybe just do the story so you can check it out

I'd recommend project gorgon, due to the sheer exploration, content in skills, great community, great economy and professions, overall cozy feel of the game, and as an MMO to fuck around on.

Project Gorgon is pretty much a runescape but third person as you figure out you're just grinding skills to max level, but you can definitely clock like 200 hours until you reach max level in combat skills and see all the dungeons and current content. I log in and play for a month every half a year to see how much content they added

>>15891342

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>>15891906

>project gorgon

That is definitely not for everyone. You need to have a certain /tg/ mentality and resistance to low technical quality. I've tried it twice and both times got bored due to lacking a sense of direction and purpose. I hear many people like it though and it does sound a little interesting.

Lord of the Rings Online. You should either play it or suck my fat Aryan cock. Both if you're one of the smart ones.

>>15891906

project gorgon was really barebones when i played the open beta. it was just a money grind, you had to dump money and "gifts" into NPCs to get their friendship bar up so that they would give you access to their services and training, which you could then use to get more skills and farm money faster.

i wish they did like a 3 day free trial or something, i'd like to see what changed since then. if i can compliment the game on something is that it had really funny writing.

>>15891962

i have never even heard of this game, im gonna look up some gameplay

The Elder Scrolls Online is one of the few things you can get that are fairly dettached from the WoW meta. It has its fair deal of issues, but at least it has no tab-targetting combat, no cooldown in skills (there are some animation cancellation techniques used to build up more DPS, that require spamming skills), really low farming requirements to the point I consider it casual as fuck, decent character customization, low dedication requirements (they even added a "rubberbanding" system to let players who play less more or less catch up on players who play more), and "free" after the first payment if you are not planning on becoming a crafter.

The downsides being that it is a TES game and therefore full of (luckily just annoying) bugs, some aspects of the game have absurd grindy demands (like the Mount Training system, or reaching max Champion Level), just enough content to not be considered a barebones MMO, the guild store being real fun but awful to navigate even with addons, that everything but some raids and DLC dungeons are piss easy, unbalanced PvP, the stupid Morph system (which requires you to have a guide around to know which spells will be useful to you in the long run; luckily just a minor annoyance), and a not so player-driven economy (lots of bound items, and many common items are bought by NPC at a reasonable price). It also baffles me that the whole game seems to be designed around Magicka-based characters (almost all class spells are Magicka-based, slight bias towards Magicka sets), but Stamina is still king, and thus most characters but Nightblades usually entirely rely in generic weapon skills. So basically, the main differences between Stamina builds end up being the class and racial passives. Also stealth sucks and Bosmers have stealth passives, and fire is absolutely great (destroys vampire players in PvP, which would be every fucking single DPS but werewolf furries) but requires you to be a Magicka character to use, so despite having some minor passives related to Dual Wielding and Stamina, Dunmer's main attracting point is moot if you go Stamina, or any class other than Dragon Knight. Thanks, Zenimax. At least they said they were gonna revamp races in Q1 2019 to make them more flexible

>>15891962

The spawning times for monsters weren't instant the last time I played. If you were grouped up you could pull a quadrant of the map and destroy the monsters before they could respawn which led to EXP starvation issues and lots of competition for the largest spawns in a map. My fondest memories of PT were having huehues try to leech kills/EXP from our party then pulling an entire spawn on them if diplomacy ever broke down which it usually did because alguem br kopskopskops.

>>15892191

yeah that sorta implies its completely dead rather than "kinda" dead doesn't it ?

>>15892280

Pretty ironic because the most updated server, the one that feels that has instant mob respawn seems to be one owned by BRs that bought the rights to the game.

Allah miggo is a shit, garlean did nothing wrong

>>15892075

Eso reminds me of runescape in some ways

Are you a tight purse autistic fuck that feels like you are wining even though you are objectively losing as long as you are earning your loss?

DDO (Dungeons and Dragons Online™) is the game for you

It's the game where everything pay-to-access can be bought through grinding!! (except the expansions, not even VIP (subscription players) get them) but they go 85% off every 6~ months, and should go this Christmas

Where you can grind your DDO points by getting 25 DDO every 100 favor (gained through quests).

Some of the best guides, like for instance [Embed] will take 66 minutes to farm 75 DDO points, which cost 1 dollar at worse and .66 dollar at best (the $199.99 pack). Meaning that you would need to have a job that pays less than a dollar/hour to be worth to farm instead of just buying the fucking points. But you still feel better not buying the dirty dirty cash cow currency and think you should earn it by playing instead!

Seriously though, it plays very vaguely like D&D and you should toss all your D&D3.5 ideas out of the window and come fresh into this game. It's also mildly fun. If you bother waiting for it, you can get a group for literally any quest, it will mostly be with experienced people that are grinding reincarnations (go to lv20 and then go back to 1 to get permanent bonuses).

As everything, best played with friends.

The incredible magic of doing one of the quests for the first time should not be tossed away letting it be rushed by a group of experienced players. Try to get friends that never played the game and have fun wiping on traps instead of knowing beforehand where they are and what to expect

(Every quest is a instance, like The Deadmines or Wailing Caverns in WoW, literally every single quest, but filled with bosses, traps, hidden doors, etc)

The best quests are the low level ones or the ones behind a paywall. You can "comfortably" level to 20, reborn to level 1, buy a couple of packs to play on this new life as entirely F2P.

Tips:

Avoid barbarians at all costs, it's absolute trash

Don't mind about being locked at 28 points instead of 32, attributes are not nearly as important as they are in 3.5, you can unlock 32 builds for literally free at a certain favor level (1200 favor, I think).

Get at least one level in rogue and always level open lock (or roll a mage to use knock)

Ranged builds seem to be the current meta

USE HIRELINGS - The only one you can't use without DDO points is the rogue

You can do a quest on Normal, Hard, Elite and Reaper. Each difficulty gives a 0, 40, 80, 120% extra exp when completed for the first time, and recurring penalties if you do it more than once (on the same day I think, never did the same quest twice on the same difficulty). So if you run out of quests to do, you can just repeat it at a higher difficulty for even more exp. First lifer can only start at Normal, second lifer at Hard and third lifer onwards at Hard or Reaper. There is a stacking bonus to exp if you do the quest for the first time on the current life at a high difficulty, but it does not stop you from doing it on lower difficulties for the exp bonus if you need it (you can start at Elite if you ask someone to open the quest for you or do it with a group)

The ingame interface is absolute trash and don't scale up.

Use this spreadsheet to keep track of what quest you have done or not done (make a copy): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c7bBSV6GWVB64T12m55wod9sPF_gJkrEpdaUNIiIVGU/edit?usp=sharing

>>15893070

a whole total of 1 mechanic

the [w] die

>>15891595

>Camelot Unchained

It is a PvP focused with three realms, Anglos, Micks, and Wekangz. Same dev like Dark Age of Camelot, so it is simliar to it, you fight for control of territory, there is a building and crafting system. Also little to no PvE even if it is it is to serve PvP, all the things you need you get by killing other players.

Development dragged on because they decided to make their own engine, ran out of money so the lead dev decided to put 7 million of his own shekels. All put together im kinda optimistic about it. Currently they have an NDA in the place so there is little information on the internet.

>>15893019

>The incredible magic of doing one of the quests for the first time should not be tossed away letting it be rushed by a group of experienced players

This is a plague in just about any MMO out there, you go in for a dungeon run a fresh faced newly crowned Lvl[X] while everyone else in the PUG knows this shit like the back of their hands, needs no communication and assumes the same, and even if you express "Hey guys this is my first time" they still just run straight through leaving you in the dust with no damn clue how any of the mechanics work and picking up a bit of loot at the end when half of the party is already out of the instance.

>>15893082

The what now?

>MMO

>GOOD

We get threads like this all the time but we always arrive at the same conclusion: The MMO market is fucking dead, WoW killed it and even the emulators for older games on the market aren't the same.

If you really want an old MMO experience, for example a community-driven game with a completely player controlled economy and the freedom to make any kind of character you wish, play MUDs and marvel at the autism of those who have 12+ years clocked in and have become legendary demi gods with swarms of orbiters and in-game lore built around them.

Fuck, man. I saw a star wars MUD that accurately models 3D space flight entirely through text. Getting pulled into a star's gravity because you plotted a course wrong and getting incinerated before you even get close to it is a real threat.

>Granado Espada

<Use 3 chars at once, superb music, grindy as fuck

>PSO2

<Nice Combat system,Excellent for waifu making, no endgame

>Champions online

<Excellent character costumization, using freeform power costs real money

>>15893188

lucky you, because of all of the stuff added for lv20+ that is available since lv1, you can solo most of the <lv13 content with a single cleric hireling, so you can enjoy the quest going blind (I have no idea about higher level quests, but it's likely to be solable)

>>15893229

[W]eapon die, for instance:

The cleave feat gives you the Cleave active skill, which is an +1[W] attack to every enemy in a 90º arc ahead of you. Meaning that your 11/1 barb/rogue that is hitting for 1.25[2d6] + 34 will, on a cleave, deal 1.25[2d6] + 34 + 2d6 to all enemies in the arc.

>>15893390

How the hell do you get a +34 damage modifier anyways? I remember BG I and II and that's just ridiculous.

>>15891328

Guildwars II might be worth trying. It's got it's flaws (they all do) but it's you can play the pre-xpack game for free, and I think it's fun roaming around.

Play Atlas :^)

>>15891328

>mmorpg recommendations

Stop playing the shit genre.

>>15891328

Classic WOW

>>15893650

Unless you mean private servers, then no. Blizzard's classic server(s) will be a dumpster fire. It's a stripped-down BFA client, with sharding, right-click reporting, SJW GMs and players, nerfed mobs and encounters, and more. Private vanilla servers will legitimately be more authentic than nu-Blizz's shitshow.

>>15891819

What's the average population of that FFXI server? Might try it out.

>>15893503

I told you, remove all preconceptions you have about D&D 3.5

For instance, power attack is -5/+5 for one hand, and -5/+10 for two hand, barbarians get a talent to increase it to -5/+16

>>15893511

I was playing NWN before, so it's still a net positive to me, since sometimes I MIGHT play with someone else

>>15891328

Champions Online. You can get raped by furries.

>>15893920

about 90-130 during peak hours. its not super active but not dead either.

>>15895700

That's one of the many reasons why I did not buy a Wii U despite thinking it had promise.

>>15895700

Always remember: Squaresoft is dead and Enix cannibalized the corpse for their own ends. If you have to blame anyone, always blame Enix; Square's only sin is dumping all their money on Spirits Within and not waiting for the video returns.

>>15891476

I'm waiting for them to finish patching it

>>15894108

Project Gorgon is pretty fun and I see it as a successor to old school runescape. My first MMO was Ultima Online so I'm more partial to Legends of Aria at the moment.

>>15895759

game is on maintenance mode since the first century. dev never came back after patching that resurrection bug.

>>15894108

How many players there are online? Can you find at least some to play together, this game seems like it focuses of group play. Problem with small communities is that majority of people is maxed out and you are left alone, this is especially true with private servers. There is no point in playing alone in a MMO.

Not OP but I've been looking for something to waste time grinding in, too. Preferably something with big dungeons to explore and where I can play a witch or something similar.

>>15894024

>you can get raped by furries

why are you recommending this?

I was once hyped by Black Desert Online when it was supposed to be full sandbox, but when Player To Player trade was removed, and with that any option for some fun travelling merchant roleplay, I lost all my interest.

>>15891328

mmmos are shit, stop playing them

>>15891328

>Can we get some good MMORPGs recommendations?

Literally impossible.

>>15896298

>how many players

I don't know

>can you find some to play together

Generally, yes. It's not abdundant the way it was during the open-pre-alpha, but there are usually enough people around. The dungeons, too, incentivise higher levels to come through the lower level dungeons/areas once in a while too which will help you power level through a few plateaus.

And the community is pretty friendly. People are usually willing to help if you ask in chat.

There was a period of time in the early 2000 where people had the one mmo they stuck to and played. Runescape, maplestory and WoW were the obvious candidates. What happened to bring an end to it? Over saturation? Casualization? A Pozzed playerbase?

>>15897744

definitely oversaturation. everyone rushed to milk the MMO market like they're rushing to milk the Battle Royale market now. remember the hundreds of korean generic "wow killers"? yeah, how many of them are even alive to talk shit about wow now huh?

battle royale is the "mmorpg" of the '10s

>>15897744

No matter how good the game most people will eventually get bored with it. They will then have to find a new MMO, but there's countless amounts of them yet none of them hit all the right notes as well as the "pioneers" did. Runescape, WoW, and Maple all had one thing in common; they were the first of their type to get a lot of things right for their own game. Everything else is just trying to join the bandwagon for megabucks instead of being their own game with their own identity, it's 80% the same thing you were moving away from, and the remaining 20% is completely uninspired and/or lazily copypasted from other MMOs.

>>15891328

Elder Scrolls Online:

>Greatest RPing the the genre. the DnD tabletop kind, not the degenerate tranny kind

>Decent combat

>Questing and leveling actually enjoyable

>Huge world

>Friendly community

>Raids

>Decent PvP

>Not P2W

Black Desert Online

>P2W

>Best combat in the genre

>Extremely enjoyable PvP

>Best end-game PvP in the genre

>Best grind in the genre

>Cutest girls

OSRS

>Best Quests in the genre

>Shitty combat

>Simple

>A lot to do

>Friendly community

>>15900754

You can't just say such a thing without storytiming.

>>15900754

Hahaha hes not even lying.

t. fag from Nost/Elysium/Gummies

>>15900694

>Elder Scrolls Online

>Decent combat

It wanted to be an MMO with action combat, instead we got MMO combat with 80% less at once usable skills and holding left click to attack.

The massive ghost hitboxes are a real turnoff and makes melee feel dumb as fuck, especially when you have to manually hold or click your basic attack. A game like WoW or GW2 the ghost hitboxes are kind of excusable since it's just a right click toggle, but not for a game that tries to emulate Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim.

To clarify my point, you can stand ~10 feet away from an enemy and swipe your sword in the air and still hit them, never played an MMO that gave melee this much range before, and it feels like shit. The combat is just simplified basic bitch hotbar MMO combat with a severely reduced amount of skills and a dodge move (both akin to GW2).

AdventureQuest 3D.

I would fucking love to see a /v/ Guild in an Artix MMORPG just for the shits and giggles, and this one is a 3D Mobile MMO.

I still cringe that I invested enough time and effort as a kid to become a Level 72 Guardian in the original AQ.

>>15892185

It's funny a large percentage of the remaining people in mortal online went to GV and were blown away by how alive and active the game is. In comparison to MO GV is virtually booming

Fortnite

>>15900694

OSRS does have best quests in the genre but without the old community it isn't as fun and no the community is friendly but really autistic about muh grind these days, and consider even speaking ingame to be exp waste. To the point nobody actually plays the game anymore beyond grinding for skills/money/exp and playing to the meta.

>>15901162

Bipolar 3DPD is a disaster waiting to happen. How beta do you have to be to invite one into your home.

>>15901401

Muh skillcapes.

Achivement recognition is the biggest destroyer of online communities along with wikis. Shit like achievements, global milestone announcements, and skillcapes need to be trashed.

>>15901497

most of them already have skillcapes. At this point they literally just minmax, meta worship and grind for the sake of it and don't actually play the game. The grind has become the whole game for about 95% of the playerbase.

age of wushu and anarchy online

>By Tencent

SUFFERING HERE WE COME

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>15900754

and I thought the communities from here might actually play the game

turns out you're worse than cuckchan's wpsg even

>>15900754

It always astounds me that any community anons try to form in a video game doesn't automatically ban women and homosexuals.

Asheron's Call

www.gdleac.com

i think theres a Scarlet Blade private server still around

>>15902124

the problem with that is mmorpgs were (and still are) a niche till wow blew of the lid, but wow is the wii of mmos. only a fraction moved on to other mmos or played them for the mmorpg part to begin with, and even if normalfags now get their "rpg" fix from the progression shit that is injected into every game these.

a mmo for the old-school crowd simply isn't feasible in most cases, unless you dilute it enough for a bigger crowd.

that being said you don't really need a fucking million players (which funny enough you don't even interact with in a setup like wow), smaller MMOs usually have a more tight-knit community due to necessity. fuck you could probably have fun with wildstar etc till the end.

>>15902169

*these days fuck

>>15902124

>making a community that actually wants to socialize with each other

Remove player chat, remove social features like friends lists and guilds. Force players to resort to primitive means of communication in-game.

>use gestures to signal other players

>grunts, ooks and aahs

>currency is all made up of expendable resources that are used as a part of normal gameplay

>player markets are ruled by bartering system streamlined by a shop interface

The comfiest forms of player interaction I come across in modern vidya generally are the ones where I start or continue whatever spontaneous autism I come across, like Mexican waves or improvised dancing. Online multiplayer game devs should look more into doing that sort of thing.

>>15902169

>a mmo for the old-school crowd simply isn't feasible in most cases, unless you dilute it enough for a bigger crowd.

I wonder if you can softly dilute it through simpler things. I know you don't need 1 million + subs (even if publishers assumed this was the norm later on) but maybe through simple things like

>pay to dress up

Nothing Jewish like dye color choices, but special holiday clothes that look slightly better or different, you could probably snag some landwhales with enough Gothic Lolita apparel.

>not stressing combat as the only viable way to play and making crafting fun and interesting

The first part could draw in even more casual players to try and just relax and could give everyone else something to do if combat isn't their thing. Making it so even casual players can contribute is a lot tougher. I did sort of like how Albion online did it To refine higher level materials, you needed the materials for that level AND materials a tier lower. They also made it so the items could be destroyed on death (can't remember if this was pvp exclusive or not) so there was always a market for not only top tier items but also the mid tier stuff most people could make (with a good group of people, tier IV stuff could take on high tier stuff, but there was also some wonky equation to give smaller groups a chance) The second part is infinitely harder, and I know this. Most games are about quantity over quality, and while some guys had solid crafting systems, I've personally never witnessed a fun crafting system off the top of my head. You usually hear people talking about grinding a skill, be it through smithing 1000 iron daggers or sewing 250 bear asses together. Black Desert has helped me reach the conclusion that I never want to touch a mobile tier worker empire system ever again really, ask me how much I enjoyed making a fucking ship in a socialist setting. I'm cautiously optimistic to get my hands on Camelot unchained's system and see what it can do, but I've been fooled too many times to count.

>>15900839

>shitposting

>it's another dinoslutfag posting shit tier girl

figures.

>>15891405

mid leveling and doing the DLCs story is fucking painful, it's all your shitty fetch quest with some dungeons sprinkled in, it's god awful, are there any good mmos with story missions that are good? because FFXIV is not on that list, there's not even a PUP class like in 11 it's gay.

>>15902336

>making shit up

>"Im just disagreeing lmao"

Do you have a source to back it up, faggot?

>>15902250

MMOs are probably one of the most expensive genres to do right due to the technical requirements (network, servers etc) and amount of assets you need. beancounters equate that with "needing a lot of players to get a good return of investment" then tell the devs to make it more accessible to attract a larger demographic.

doesn't help that players are retarded and think OMG IT DOESN'T HAVE MILLIONS OF PLAYERS, IT'S DEAD!!11. that's especially funny coming from wowtards who don't even interact much with other servers and are split in half by factions to being with.

ofc shit devs reinforce that by not giving players the means to coordinate and organize groups besides some fucking console-tier matchmaking button with the alternative spamming chat (which on top is usually fractured into dozens of different channels).

>I've personally never witnessed a fun crafting system off the top of my head.

I think vanguard wasn't too bad, even had a diplomacy path where you could progress without fighting at all. too bad lot of other stuff sucked and it ran like shit.

FF14 is ok, in the end you either spam a rotation in the dungeon or spam rotation crafting to get an item (although they went full retard after HW with literally tripling the required numbers just to waste people's time - and break the lore alongside it as well). ESO is workable as well as easy setup for competitive gear and cosmetics.

you probably could make an autistically "deep" craft system, but how much fun would it be? most people rather kill stuff and loot shit anyway.

or since most mmos are itemgrinders simply make crafting another pull on the slot machine (like division does it for example) or the MonHun way that you need crafting to get items in the first place.

but crafting is such a huge topic it can fill threads alone…

>>15902362

>>15891405

it gets better once the HW stuff starts and their post-expansion stuff isn't as extensive as post-ARR.

if you're not in a hurry simply level another 1-2 classes that sound interesting and do story on the side to not burn out.

but yeah, squeenix really show uncouple the MSQ from general progression so you can do it whenever you feel like it, especially since that shit will only get worse over time keeping new players out.

>are there any good mmos with story missions that are good?

it's not like most mmo quests are super intricate to begin with, in the end you're either collecting shit or killing shit for someone. now add that single-use content is considered a waste of devtime so most shit will be re-used as much as possible (which makes it feel less "unique"). gw1 did it kinda right.

>>15900754

>gay porn memes

People who spam shit like that on any platform need to be gassed.

>>15902124

For more than a decade there were two things that made MMOs shit.

First is hopelessly trying to rip off WoW, "The next WoW killer". This didn't work for the same reasons Stillborn and Cliffy B's shit games didn't work, people don't really like derivative bullshit.

Second is appealing to the broad audience by making games as less socially interactive as possible, some people are just not comfortable with social interaction even in game. This erroneous notion that social interaction is an obstacle to a smoother gameplay.

That is why almost none of the upcoming MMOs are trying to do it. If you follow the dev commentaries of upcoming MMOs, devs nowadays pride themselves on not being the WoW killers and not having lobbies/instant dungeons. But also, which makes me even more hopeful is that they kinda set some realistic goals in terms of audience, they don't expect 10 million people audience. Seems like MMOs had finally went back on a evolutionary track that was disturbed by WoW. It only took them 15 years to realise it.

OSRS and Guild Wars 2 (both free to play)

or ESO is actually pretty okay for an elder scrolls themed MMO even though it had a rough release (it's currently buy to play with no subscription required and is currently on sale on steam)

Seriously, though, AC emulator is about to reach Throne of Destiny expansion content. There are two huge main servers (one PvM, and one PvP), and since it's open source we could run our own.

Don't forget to install the Decal plugin manager!

>>15903502

>a private server that works pretty well

it does? last time i checked i could not do a bunch of shit and kept disconnecting.

also you can post links you fag https://reimagine.online/

>>15891328

>Not playing ESO

nerd

FFXIV is probably the best WoW clone in existence, and I had a really good time with it. Everything else is either nothing special or is genuinely bad. TORtanic is also pretty fun for the Agent storyline, but every other story and all the raids/other endgame content is shit so once you're done with the story you can safely jettison it

>>15903769

>being a hacker or the edgelord that gets banned on steam

top kek get fucked cuck i like to keep games in one place so i will do whatever i want and you can't stop me. actually i will buy an mmo subscription on steam right now just to spite you

>>15903786

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15900694

>eso

>Decent combat

>Decent PvP

we play the same game ,right?

>>15903858

>>>/reddit/

>>15903891

>implying anyone will bother your text sperg

If it's more than 4 lines its not worth reading

>>15891577

i was a open beta player, i wanted to replay monk class so i reinstalled it, it's apparently become p2w but i dont know considering they DELETED MY FUCKING ACCOUNT

i just play dauntless now. it's not fantastic and the recent patch really sucked and the characters look like fortnite, but it kills time and i have some people to play it with so whatever

>>15903962

go back to reddit

>>15902379

>ESO

>good crafting system

As much as I love ESO, the crafting system is by far the fucking worst I have seen.

>"Break items, research their properties, or create new items to gain crafting experience!", but everything but deconstructing gives laughable XP.

>You only need a single type of material to craft any given set. There are several different materials, but you only need Ruby-tier materials because the material just defines the level of the crafted item, which will always be max level because making low level items is just a waste, since players level up so fast (which is a good thing, but is clearly not designed to work with the crafting system)

>Only input the crafter has in the crafting is the style (which is mostly useless, because people will cover them with the new costume system, which is nice but was definitely not made to work with the crafting system) and the trait (which is one of 9 variants in buffs you can give to any piece of equipment)

>Freemium-tier "wait one month to research this trait" research system

>Only factor that allows players make certain advanced sets is how many traits those players have researched for any given piece

>This means you will optimally have to wait slightly more than half a year to be able to craft full sets of equipment

>Dungeon and raid equipment is still generally preferred

I haven't seen a more boring crafting system in years. It's just sligthly better than Skyrim's, and that was there just to jump into the crafting sandbox bandwagon.

In my opinion, a good crafting system would be something like what Dofus had with the Magic Forging, but more deterministic. Maybe allow players to invent their own equipment pieces, given materials with different roles and properties, and blueprints (type of equipment piece and aspect). Fuck "use 5 pieces of this set to make it remotely worthwhile" set mechanics as well, as they just stifle creativity. Now you have a proper sandbox MMO.

>>15903883

It does have decent combat, but only in the hardest dungeons (read: DLC) where you can't just smash your rotation to succeed. PvP being decent is questionable, given it COULD be great, but it's so unbalanced it's not even funny.

>No creativity, DPS only, deathmatch destination

>Healers are nearly useless since heals are cut in half in Battlegrounds, which is the non-autistic PvP

>Tanks are nearly useless since resistances are greatly reduced, I think logarithmically (so tanks are somewhat tankier than a glasscannon DPS, but not much)

>DoT builds are discouraged since self-sustain is savage as fuck, and since everyone is running around in burst-sustain builds, you never get to the point where your first tick DoT kick in before the rest of your team gangrapes the target, so no assist for you

>Because yes, assists here are, for some reason, only given if you deal a certain elevated amount of damage to the enemy before they die.

>This damage system is calibrated for damage dealer classes, so healers and tanks never get assists, because they can not provide the burst DD have.

>Staying in an elevated corner with a bow spamming the same skill over and over is a valid strategy.

>non-DPS-centric gamemodes exist, but healers still get no assists in them, and tanks are non optimal since their resistances are just slightly better than those of your average glass cannon and still die like bitches if focused

Thanks OS.

>>15903769

lol I actually got the nosteam version of ESO for $5 though a key site then rebrought it on steam to have a second account when it was on sale

plus it came with the morrowind DLC which was underwhelming but healthy for nostalgia

Are there any not dead MMOs in existence that have support classes? Nothing too specific just a class whose primary function is not making life bars stay up or go down.

Mind control, CC, pulling, status effects, wards, altering the movement of other units… that kind of thing.

>>15905162

I think ESO has support classes

maybe same with Guild Wars 2 which is free to play and pretty good

I got it when it was buy to play then they basically made all the content I paid for 100% free

>>15903058

Why are you fucking a bipolar Cyka Blyat who killed her boyfriend?

Are you some kind of a faggot?

>>15901591

A few old guildmates of mine invited me to play Eternal Love with them, it's actually from Gravity and not Tencent but it's the same shit.

>>15905162

Rift is the only game off the top of my head, though I can thoroughly recommend against playing it. The game is in a terrible state and isnt going to get any better since Trion just got bought out by Gamigo.

>>15905375

>I think ESO has support classes

ESO player here: no sense in playing any other dedicated support class than healer. The holy trinity is strong in ESO, and the only non-healer supports are tanks, who provide buffs in the form of shields or more defenses. They have pulling as well, maybe slows and debuff cleansing, but that's about it.

>>15903502

>MegaTen

Mein neger. It was probably complete shit but I played it for several months.

>>15908789

Haven and Hearth, if you don't mind getting raped by Russians and having only 150 other people playing.

>>15908824

I'll look it up.

Lost Ark

Nobody would recommend WoW anyway.

>>15900694

No player to player trade and no roleplay? no purchase.

>>15908824

>150 other people playing

Is that in a 24-hour time frame, or just at once? Because I remember times when they had an easy ~300 player population at midnight in America. Bet it was the sudden and hideous "update" they did to the game.

>>15909125

That was just how many there were when I checked just now. I don't actually know what the average player count is, just that it isn't very popular compared to your typical MMO.

Asheron's Call emulator update: Throne of Destiny ex-pack is live on the test server NOW!

Should be rolled into production servers very very soon.

>>15908824

>Haven and Hearth

I wanted to be able to play that game, but the UI/Controls were just so god awful I gave up after about 2 hours.

FF14 is a like or hate mmo. Either you can tolerate the bullfuckery that is ARR and then get to the much better content in the subsequent expansions, or the flaws of the early game are just too much to bear and you quit, which is totally valid. It has one of the better crafting/Gathering systems, although a shame that you cant progress as a pure gatherer/crafter, and need at least one combat class to do the MSQ.

Could you imagine instead of fighting Nidhogg you challenge him to a cook-off for that fate of ishgard

>>15903964

Hi Kaif.

Sherwood dungeon

>>15909481

> you challenge him to a cook-off for that fate of ishgard

Yeah but you then you get hellacious RNG and have to eat the shame failure to recover all your resources and try again, because that's fun right? Also having to level up every crafting class to max to minimize the RNG is also fun.

>>15909774

Nigger what are you on about.

>>15902044

bah, tried installing it and my antivirus goes crazy over the alexa 51 from the launcher

>>15901591

Tree of Savior was the only decent RO clone

>>15927817

>Decent

It was a fucking bait-and-switch. The worst of them too, since it seemed so promising. Fuck this game for making me hope for something good, at least it was the final push I need to realize that hype is indeed a mental illness.

>>15927832

I think there was definite improvements. RO's movement system was trash

Heard elder scroll has become much better with time

>>15927839

ESO is like the Rocky of MMO's. It's not especially good but it's gone the distance

>>15900694

>Greatest RPing the the genre. the DnD tabletop kind, not the degenerate tranny kind

This legit? Everytime I try to RP in a MMO I see so much degeneracy.

>>15891328

Dual Universe - The Civilization Building MMO

>>15928295

one last weekend bump as the servers are crazy busy

>>15900694

I'd argue that RS3 has better quests than OSRS, the quests released between 2008 and 2012 are absolute elder god tier, and frankly better than most quests in single player RPGs

If you can stomach all of the shit thats accumulated in the game, its absolutely worth doing quests like While Guthix Sleeps and Ritual of the Majharrat.

I want to try LOTRO but its too late in my life to be given a chance again, and besides I need to read the book (which I will since I have it) to get a sense of the lore instead of always playing the games. Also its too WoW like and too much flavor text, I don't have dedication to waste time with it anymore.

>>15912170

cross-class skills are still mandatory for crafting and there's still a healthy dose of RNG on top of it if you want the actual good HQ stuff with probably the hardest penalty for failing in the whole game in losing all your shit, which means the higher you go the more you get fucked over.

in addition to that resource requirements have tripled in HW for no reason besides make people waste more time (also breaks their own lore in a hilarious way), not to mention going full FUCK YOU and putting basic materials in rare slots or timed nodes. which means failing a craft fucks you over even more.

FFXIV is free to play up to level 35 if you're looking for a decent WoW clone.

There's a /v/ guild on Exodus.

>>15929341

I don't think anyone would argue with that, anyone who has played it would agree with you that the one highpoint of later runescape is the quests

>>15932997

The /v/ guild is on Lamia. You exodus fags have had more chances than you deserve to get a decent guild running and have failed at every turn.

>>15934062

There's currently an XP buff for all new characters made on Exodus. You have no real reason to start on a server without the buff, especially with free server transfers coming up soon.

I understand your autism for wanting your own FC, but a new player only loses out by starting on Lamia.

>>15934570

Yeah, the huge autism over FCs is pointless when we can just shitpost over the LS.

I'm mainly worried about hitting the player limit on the cross world linkshell.

Like that would happen.

>>15934582

squeenix really just needs to put in a last active column in the list so you can purge offline ppl

they'll probably put it in the mogstation anyway

>>15891689

Sure there was. WoW pre-cata was a gem.