/v/ - Video Games

Ameriga has laws againsd monobolys :DDD

Dis ids goignds do fails :DDD

fug gina x —- DD

In reality, if China's doing the monopolizing of video games, it allows a niche to start opening up in American and European markets. Instead of wanting a "wider audience", they can instead start making good games that people in their country would play.

>>15870059

The Russians and Brazil have their own long term plans to cut off their internet from the rest of the world like China's great wall. Cyberpunk dystopia comes with silver linings at least.

>>15870059

And then games will start pandering towards Chinese law and everything will be worse.

DO NOT GIVE THE BUGS A SINGLE INCH

The only good that can come from this is if steam decide to cut their share down from 33%. Otherwise there's no way I trust the bugmen.

>>15870046

>Tencent

>making good games

You realize this company is many times worse than even the worst American companies like EA, right?

>>15870059

The problem is China has already been pushed as an incredibly lucrative and untapped market that everyone wants a piece of the action on. What sounds like will end up happening is more products being created to a "global standard" (codeword for chink-pandering or chink-law pandering). People won't just "give up" on China just because Steam or something is banned, they'll just work with Tencent.

Numerous nippon companies such as Nintendo and Squeenix are partnering with Tencent right now to get access to that apparently sweet sweet Yuan.

>>15870071

They changed to do that if your games already made them a ton of money, which is a gross favoring of AAA companies, but they clearly don't want to lose or risk the AAA publishers eventually becoming exclusive to the Ebin games store or Discord in the future

Seems like the only move that Discord could make since I rarely hear anyone talk about their game store. I don't know what other incentives besides more developer profits they've got going for them. I'm not seeing a lot of people flocking from steam, even with their half-baked censoring as of late. Trying to be the steam-killer hasn't worked out for mmo's trying to be the wow-killer. I think we already have the big 3 of the games downloading site with a few niche ones among them to fill the gaps of the gaming giants. I don't fault them for trying but I'm not seeing what they actually bring that is different from the rest. This feels like how every company is making their own streaming site for their content as a counter to netflix, but is making the same mistakes that has diminished people from watching cable television exclusively. Profit is good for developers but what about the users that pay for them. What will they get out of it if they support this new platform? If there are no added bonuses, there will be comparisons with their competitors that will look unfavorable when deciding on alternatives. Epic is obviously a Chinese foothold into the digital games space and discord sells your information, so unless their competitors fuck up more, those will be deterrents to even getting started and their longevity in the marketplace.

>>15870107

IFI wouldn't abandon their audience, unless you're referring to Idea Factory in Japan changing their actual development to pander for the chink regions which has a higher chance of happening than that

Way Forward also has too strong of a presence, audience and fanbase in the west to abandon it for that platform

There are other devs though who are definitely at risk. Nier Automata for example was published by Squeenix, who seems very much in bed with Tencent now.

Thank god platinum is self-publishing now, but even still its a risk for the future if they ever decide to use another major publisher like Nintendo or Squeenix (both of which have a history with Platinum and both of which are very much attracted to Tencent) again

>>15870130

If history proved anything htne it will be happen. Maybe not as soon as we wish it, but it will be inevitable.

>>15870135

You don't realize just how much of a huge meme China is in the business world. Its nothing but China, China, China all day.

Many people on our vidya forums really don't consider the business aspects of these game corporations at all, and that will come to bite us all in the ass later. The most anyone ever does in relation to under is check a stock value to see if a company is tumbling after a high-profile flop or bad announcement or anything. Less companies mind doing that than you'd think, its mainly when customers overseas get affected and loudly complain that it would matter to these companies.

Trust me when I say China is a threat, and not just in terms of vidya but for areas of business. China having any modicum of freedom is unlikely to ever happen, or if it does, their utter lack of ethics and morality is what will attract people to them, not that.

>>15870138

Its not clear whether Tencent owns them or not, but they are, at the very least a major investor in them by being on that page and likely a de facto owner of them since they're the biggest company of the bunch afaik, or at least one of the biggest and one of the biggest in the world, period.

>>15870091

>if the games don't cost 30% less then why should i give a fuck?

You shouldn't. It's really stupid of them to use this entirely publisher-side advantage as a selling point.

>>15870151

It takes about 90 years for China to collapse, on average, so there are still 2 decades of suffering yet.

>>15870107

Then fuck them. It would be shitty, but better than supporting shitty practices/companies.

Both Steam losing market shares and more competition in the PC distribution market are good things. Everyone that has more than half a brain should support this.

>>15870157

I don't understand that, aren't the Chinese kikes on steroids with regards to business? I keep hearing on here about companies getting ripped off by them all the time.

>>15870173

>more competition in the PC distribution market are good things

Good luck competing with chinese.

>>15870163

The economy was due for a collapsing recently wasn't it? I'm kind of worried we're at the point where the elites can prop up dead systems artificially. I wouldn't be surprised if China keeps their shit going longer this time since they've got a tighter leash and the bugmen seem to be content with their lot.

>>15870173

Discord wants to become the next Steam, and they would be far more cancerous than Valve. Competition is good, but artificial competition, and bad competition is not. Ideally Steam would lose its market share to ethical competitors on the basis of their shit like censorship dropping people from the platform.

I agree Steam losing its market share is a good thing, but Tencent cleaning up its leftovers is a bad thing. If it were a Japanese Steam alternative, or a European or another American company I would be absolutely fine with this, but this is Tencent, the absolute worst the gaming industry has to offer, period.

>>15870182

Doing business in China or with Chinese businessmen is sketchy, yes. That's not the point of what I'm saying though. I'm saying that executives see their economic statistics and incredible growth, and see an untapped market of consumers that they can try to reach. A larger potential audience than anywhere in the world that is on an incredible upward trend (and also likely being pushed artificially as such by any and all media and politicians they influence), and they want a piece of the action as a result.

>>15870162

dumbass, it's not an advertisement to you, but to the devs who will then publish the games on a different platform to get a bigger cut.

>>15870173

But Microsoft, EA, Blizzard/Actvision, GoG and Ubisoft are already competing with Steam. And ironically, both competitors have a apparent fetish over chink money counting Valve itself.

Problem is that CPC tends to have a direct foothold in chink companies like Tecent and how its giving such a cut for devs at what cost.

>>15870157

>biggest of the bunch

Are you sure, TimeWarner is big

>All of these posts

>No one, let alone the retarded OP, bothered to mention that Tencent already has a Chinese Steam equivalent for months.

https://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/2154272/tencents-wegame-platform-push-go-global-heating-rivalry-pc-gaming

>>15870248

>(((Tencent))) attempts to create artificial competition

>>15870220

>Steam does not actually have a monopoly

Technically, yes, but in practice they do which is why they're a de facto one.

Developers aren't forced to use Steam

exclusively, but if you're a developer who doesn't use Steam, you've already lost out on most potential sales you could possibly get. You're forced to use Steam, you can't ignore it and while Steam hasn't created or enforced anything concerning exclusivity, they have the power to do it. People calling them a benevolent dictatorship are accurate.

>what discord and epic are doing is making it so developers can only exclusively sell through their application

What are you talking about? I despise both, but this is untrue. The discord games currently being sold are still being sold on other storefronts as far as I'm aware.

>>15870248

These two are intended to get a foothold in western audiences. Everyone already knows about WeGame, and that is irrelevant to anyone not in China.

>>15870240

As an example, their net income last year was more than double Time Warner's.

>>15870230

Understandable. I would just look at some basic jewtube finance shit or something if you'd like to learn as that is helpful shit to know for the future in general, but if not then the WSJ is considered one of the "required" places for most businessmen to be aware of. Its pretty much ingrained that if you don't read the WSJ, you're likely a mentally-deficient retard who lives under a rock in the business world.

Just look up a few articles about the parent corporations of these vidya companies (like Sony for playstation) and you'll understand just how focused on the business side of things these companies are, and its a lot more cold and calculated than anything you'd have thought about the vidya industry.

>>15870275

>this is untrue

https://nichegamer.com/2018/12/09/new-releases-for-epic-games-store-are-delaying-or-canceling-steam-releases/

>>15870293

Those are devs choosing to be exclusive from what I can see, presumably for some kind of special treatment or promotion from Epic but there hasn't been any evidences of any contracts or anything like that coming out yet.

>>15870310

Nobody likes Steam anymore. Reddit renounced their faith in Gabe after paid mods and the Artifact reveal, the normalfags recognize it as the place for shovelware, and the DRMfags never liked it.

>>15870323

They can say whatever they want. I don't believe that they are going to put their games exclusively on a new store that nobody uses without some kind of insurance.

>>15870330

They have fucking Fortnite as their insurance.

>>15870324

discord is reddit, shill. discord is only relevant because of redditors shilling it, like yourself

>>15870330

Well, you can believe whatever you want and while you have a fair train of logic behind your posts, its not a replacement for actual evidence. If you can provide anything from a developer, a statement, a leaked document or something that's evidence of Epic doing some kind of bullshit involving exclusivity, that would be better than just logic.

As >>15870333

said, Epic Games isn't exactly small and unknown and their new store seems to be getting attention. Either way, those developers were never forced to use Epic Games as a store to begin with. They chose to go there.

>>15870310

88/12 split compared to 70/30. Do you even know how shekel-starved indie devs are? Even if it means only delaying the steam release, it will cause the Epic Store to gain traction.

>>15870385

That extra 18% doesn't mean much if their sales are 1000x lower.

>>15870407

Well, it depends on how much of their potential audience moves to the Epic Games store, and how much more exposure they would get as a result of being one of the few games on said store

indie developers have the most to gain from storefronts with smaller selections; I've remembered indie developers saying that they've gotten more sales by selling on the Switch than on Steam, and it was similar for the Vita back in 2016-17 (though not to the extent of the Switch as in selling more, but selling a lot more than the developers expected)

>>15870407

On steam indie devs are already starved for shekels, the ones that are not is because they already had a following before going to the storefront so their stuff gets bought as soon as it hits steam. If they're already risking themselves by going to steam and deal with their cuts why not double-down with epic store that has an attention grabber like dorknite plus a better margin of profit?

They're shit but they are indeed creating competition by enticing people with the bigger share.

>>15870418

>I've remembered indie developers saying that they've gotten more sales by selling on the Switch than on Steam

I think that's just because the people who invested in a $300 console want something to play on it. Not really the same thing as two different stores on PC with no barrier to entry.

>>15870436

Didn't Epic Games say all their games on that store would be curated?

And yes, while I think that's the Switch audience being hungry and desperate for games, there's also just a lot less games to choose from on that platform and I don't think that can be the only factor for selling noticeably more than the Steam version. Shit's definitely working against them, especially since the Switch install base in regions that aren't Japan was only about 10-12 million at the time all those things were coming out; now its probably 14+ million and indie developers are having the times of their lives selling on the Switch.

>>15870407

Even if, like you said, only 0.001% of people buy the Epic version, there's no really any reason not to do it. Extra money is extra money, even if it's only a 0.018% increase in profits.

>>15870451

That's true if they put in on both stores.

>>15870458

He was referring to a delayed Steam release in his earlier post, which a good amount of those devs are doing

>>15870130

>>15870107

More please

>I wish China would just collapse and balkanize.

IIRC some other anons posted publicly available info that places almost the entirety of coastal Chinese population in dire danger of making the whole country collapse, as they're the only Chinks that will actually serve in the army but they're drinking sewage water and smelling polluted air so much that their offspring will NEED the eugenics to even stand up.

>>15870458

>implying they won't put it in both stores

Unless either of the stores effectively takes controls of the IPs as soon as they hit the stores then they will put them in both since theres absolutely no reason to.

>>15870471

to not do it, fuck

>>15870471

Some devs are outright saying their game is exclusive to Epic. I think they probably sold their exclusivity to help grow the Epic store.

All this stuff is about removing customer power in video games. Developers do not like that valve has user reviews and forums mandatory for every game on the store. It leads to review-bombing and people taking over forums asking questions. They also have a mandatory return policy which really upsets lazy indie-devs. Steam definitely has a TON of problems but it has probably been the only large digital store-front that even attempts to expand the customer's powers plus Valve is an independent company. Even if they are not any kind of threat to them right now all the shitty people in video games know exactly the kind of threat Valve/Steam can become.

>>15870038

The Chinese are becoming worse than the Jews at this point.

>>15870489

Valve fought tooth and nail to avoid having to enact that refund policy; they were forced by law in Australia to do it, and developers can have full control over their forums to censor and ban as many people as they want.

Valve is very laissez faire. They don't care, for better or worse (usually for worse). They give some basic tools, but then fuck off, but for some reason they're slowly starting to interfere more and more with shit such as censoring games.

They're still better than the Tencent alternatives though, one reason being because (at least from what I've heard) Epic Games does not even allow user reviews on their store iirc, and the only way you can try to get anything from the developer is to message them, no forums to complain or voice problems with the game or developers or anything.

However, I think the likelihood of Valve becoming a threat against bad practices is exceptionally unlikely, I think the risk of them becoming cancerous is greater, and the power they hold is far worse than anything else which makes them the biggest risk right now.

>>15870500

You can publish on all three of them if you feel like it.

>>15870502

>Israel and China a "Marriage made in Heaven" says Netanyahu

LOL

>>15870066

>>15870076

>>15870130

>>15870157

Pretty much reasserted on all aspects.

t. formic bugger scum, seriously the state has everybody believing that the Falun Gong extermination was an CIAyy op >>15870135

The (((joos))) are intentionally and unintentionally stupid as fuck.

>>15870138

I am still buttmad over the youth falling into Douyin's maw.

>>15870199

>a Japanese Steam alternative

Galapagos memedrome or whatever, I would have appreciated Daisuki taking off for the Filipino metalworking instructional video market a few years back, but alas.

>>15870335

I never got why normalniggers would even use a datamining IRC application like Shitcord. Normalniggers confuse my (insectoid) thought process.

>>15870096

Fuck the normalfaggots selling their souls for convenience and fuck Avelloni for wanting the secondhand ownership market to die, there was nothing wrong with physicals before Eternal September.

>>15870509

>Valve is very laissez faire

That is why the gaming big wigs fucking hate them. Whenever I hear Valve or Steam brought up on something like Giant Bomb you should hear the venom and fear they have. They talk about all the "horrible" things happening on Steam.

>>15870536

nigger use ventrillo, there is no reason to use discord

>>15870519

>I never got why normalniggers would even use a datamining IRC application like Shitcord. Normalniggers confuse my (insectoid) thought process.

Its a social media platform. Their friends are on it, so they join it and the snowball continues. Look up the concept of network effects.

Its the same logic for Faceberg and whatnot. You can ignore it for some time but once enough of your friends move to it and use the places you used less, you don't really have much of a choice unless you consider cutting yourselves off from them to be an option, or you somehow convince them all to use an alternative that they all would enjoy

Many people don't bother to research shit like data mining into their privacy and only really notice when high profile shit like the Cambridge Analytica incident happens. When that does happen these platforms take major hits.

>>15870528

Yep. Its pretty fucking hilarious to see. Valve not caring riles those spergs up like nothing else, its kind of embarrassing considering that they rarely actively do anything.

Who knows anon, maybe this shake up will just fracture the market for a time but end up being better in the long-term as more people fuck off from both Tencent-owned *and* Steam platforms. That's hoping for a bit much though, but its possible.

>>15870529

Who knows anon, maybe this will only end up shaking up the market and causing some short-term fractures, but in the shake-up people get tired of both the Tencent platforms and Steam and move to better ones

Its not too much of a long-shot but I have a bit of hope

>>15870094

<trusting anon's opinion

>>15870555

I mean really steam doesn't have much to do to improve themselves.

Pull the fucking shit with not being able to download mods for games you don't own on steam workshop, that shit is and has always been retarded, same with giving social credit points to people who's shit gets rated up. It has caused this gigantic fucking cancer of faggots uploading jpegs to mod sites asking for people to download it on steam workshop and rate it.

Next, if they're not going to bother with making games, they should improve some of their tools and assets, the entire API for the steam controller shouldn't be glued to the steam client. I get the point is to use it with steam games, but the way it's set up where it temporarily writes the setup to the controller and rewrites it when the game closes, nobody believes the shit that you "remap the controls on the fly" as in, whenever it sends input. Just make the software separate, and don't fucking glue it to any Vulkan/DirectX process.

While they're at it, finally make a revision to the steam controller. Adding support to the PS4 controller isn't a solution. Then maybe when they're done with that, drop the sales cut to 15% like it is on the marketplace, since you already pocket all of that money.

>>15870588

>there's nothing wrong with steam

There is the fact that they keep removing games for no reason, but I doubt Epic is going to get them to change that.

>>15870601

is there even any steam exclusive VN shit?

>>15870610

if they don't sell it elsewhere it's exclusive, fuck you.

>>15870584

They have a lot of ways they can improve themselves that are outside. They could take a stance against DRM like Denuvo on their storefront and take a stance against invasive spyware bullshit like redshell. They could take stances against censorship (Which they did briefly, and then reneged on it).

I don't think anyone will care much about the Steam controller to be honest, wasn't that a commercial failure for Valve?

People like what they're doing with Proton.

>Then maybe when they're done with that, drop the sales cut to 15% like it is on the marketplace, since you already pocket all of that money.

Yeah, especially since it seems like more and more devs rely on those sales more than even the initial release days now.

>>15870588

If that's the way you feel there's no point in trying to change your mind anon. Good luck with Steam, just don't complain if it fucks you in the ass down the line because you gave up your power as a consumer for the sake of convenience.

>>15870601

lol. Also they've removed lewd RPGs now, not just VNs

>>15870604

There's some that are technically Steam exclusive, but that's just because the developers either didn't know or try to sell it anywhere else

>>15870613

That's something that irritated me too, allowing denuvo on their store, and extended from that: Allowing denuvo to use their API for DRM. I get they haven't really gone with the "Piracy is a service issue" thing forever, but really if they're gonna allow alternative DRM solutions, they should at the very least make it easier for the few people that sell DRM free on steam, or potentially would want to sell drm free.

>>15870629

>they can sell anywhere they want to

BUT IF THEY DON'T THEN IT IS BY DEFAULT, EXCLUSIVE. AS IN EXCLUSIVELY AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE THROUGH STEAM

>>15870637

No but see, if there wasn't a contract involved its not an exclusive :^)

>>15870640

>censorship apologist

>Steamdrone

like pottery

>>15870640

NIGGER I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SOME FAGGOTS LITTLE GIRL VN, WHAT I DO CARE IS THE FACT YOU ARE SAYING SOMETHING WRONG.

>>15870640

You've got it wrong, exclusive means the devs aren't allowed to sell their games outside the platform, which doesn't happens because steam is just a storefront, it doesn't really owns anything, just like users don't really own the games but the autorization from steam.

Just because the devs are afraid of selling them somewhere else is another issue entirely.

>>15870640

The last couple of games banned from Steam aren't even loli you fucking valvedrone goon.

>>15870566

>>15870538

The people I want to talk with use Discord. I already boycott enough sites and shit, if I boycotted anything else my entire life would be sitting on this board and doing nothing else. I have to allow some shit to slide at some point.

>>15870658

>just like users don't really own the games but the autorization from steam.

That is only true technically, and it's riding on a loophole in copyright legislature that

1. Only Exists in one country

2. Is increasingly likely to get legally closed as silicon valley fucking implodes

3. Literally only still exists because people are afraid to challenge an arbitration claim. WHICH YOU SHOULD DO IF YOU HAVE A DECENT LAWYER.

>>15870704

Why do you want to talk to faggots?

>>15870704

>I already boycott enough sites and shit, if I boycotted anything else my entire life would be sitting on this board and doing nothing else.

There's plenty of IRC channels you could browse, there's whatever VoIP program you prefer, Tox, and probably other services I don't even know about. That's hardly an argument.

If the people you talk to use Discord are there then that's fine, but imageboards are not the only social media worth using.

>>15870064

>The Russians and Brazil have their own long term plans to cut off their internet from the rest of the world like China's great wall.

Britain, too.

>>15870752

read you braindead sperg.

>>15870704

>my entire life would be sitting on this board

So? It's better that way. I live like that and it isn't that bad

>>15870536

You're such a filthy commie paps.

>>15870038

Can we make new sign for chink stuff instead of brackets?

>>15870603

Why does this almost sound like Critikal?

lol merchant

Why are there no good voip programs? They're all either malware or unusable.

>>15871280

Mumble, nigger

>>15871281

>Mumble

Also bad. You either have to use somebody else's shitty server or host one yourself by either buying a dedicated server (if you have to spend money then it's shit) or hosting it on your own network (if you do this you're retarded and directly giving your own IP to others).

>>15870038

>artificial competition

This would be true of valve owned tencent, discord or epic.

>>15871296

if you don't want them selling your data you have to dish out the cash. it's like a vpn

>>15871203

why? theyer both merchants

>>15871323

The jews attempt to be subtle when jewing you unlike chinks

https://www.youtube.com/user/churchillcustoms/videos

>mfw this channel has gone from "yeah China is fucking shit but there's some okay stuff sometimes and whites can make money easy" to "living in China is deteriorating our bodies, one of us has already evacuated his family and the other is only still here because he's scared of being genocided if he goes back to South Africa"

China is cancer to the rest of the world, each other, the very Earth itself. All that China touches turns to shit. I absolutely cannot wait for it to collapse and then struggle to even get back to its knees on ruined land and starving mutant populace.

>>15871356

im sure they can be subtle when they want to be. its not like they tell you that your eating cat

>>15871358

>scared of being genocided if he goes back to South Africa"

He's in either America or Taiwan now, he just has a Chinese wife who can't leave yet. He's leaving because Winnie's government is really hostile to foreigners and apparently they had their house raided by the police.

t. watched his channel for a while

Sage for OT.

>>15871397

>he just has a Chinese wife

Is there any greater mistake one can make?

>>15871444 (Impressive)

A jewish Korean wife?

>>15871454

Begone bugman

六四天安門事件

六四天安門事件

六四天安門事件

>>15871397

>raided

was it before or after he did the vid on how he has dirt on china(gl with that) ?

>>15871525

karate karen is totally cute though

>>15872274

Chinks are eastern (((jude))).

>>15871358

China will never collapse.

>>15872291

Yes it will, every 200 years.

1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre 六四事件 八九民运 茉莉花革命

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>>15871296

>if i want to talk to people over the internet, i have to use the internet

You can't avoid exposing your IP to someone if you connect to another person somewhere. Your only recourse if you really don't want a third party to even know your IP address is to use a secure, decentralized chat program like Tox or Retroshare.

>>15873110

>Why?

autism

>>15870059

Spics will always try to latch on to us

>see, memer beaners making their own board here instead of making their own site.

>>15870173

steam losing market share is good, chinks getting it is bad

>>15870444

the thing is there IS a lot less games in the switch store, and yeah, there are a lot less game on epic store, but anyone with access to steam as well, which isn't the case with the switch as you only have one store to pick from.

Simply, going Epic store exclusively doesn't make sense unless they are paying you to do so.

>>15870107

>Buying anything from Idea Factory after Neptunia Victory.

Nothing of value will be lost. Ever since 2012, they've maxed out their allowance of repackaging the same fucking game over and over and over again.

From Faggot Fencer F to whatever Singing Girl bullshit to Robot Girl Bullshit 2 they just released, it's been the same grindy, boring shit with the same exact enemies for the last 18 years. It's one thing to refer to the same model or to reuse the enemy for legacy sake - - But this is using the same, exactly, model in multiple games and having people buy it and pretend that's it good.

>>15873836

>steam losing market share is good, chinks getting it is bad

Such deep insight, I'm impressed, not everyone can see that some events have both advantages and disadvantages, but you seem to be a very intelligent individual.

Yeah but which one is worse you goddamn fence sitter.

>>15873974

Clearly china getting market share is worse, beside the population being rats, china is even more censorship heavy. And at least valve is putting some effort into making linux a viable gaming platform, and what takes from microsoft's near-monopoly is good on my book.

>>15870038

What's stopping developers from adding their games to all platforms?

Nobody gonna pay indies for exclusivity, and indies will, if aren't already, the majority of the revenue simply because of how many of them there are (and the fact that some of them target niches)

>>15871245

The top one is just as guilty of eating shit as the bottom one, but the top one just accepts it and doesn't make excuses for why the shit he is eating isn't actually shit, if you look for the hidden specks of fudge within.

>>15870704

<I've already made my whole house fire retardant. I have to allow them to dip the whole thing into a pool of gasoline at some point.

>>15870094

>implying kikes are americans

>>15873140

Spics try to steal better culture at every opportunity. Even their food is just spanish food with too much chili.

>>15873140

chispa came here because their site went down

>>15897022

Because spics will never pay to support anything good. They will lie, cheat and steal instead.

>>15872280

No that's koreans.

China is unique.

>>15874083

>piracy is eating shit

I wonder why buyfaggotry is then.

>>15897142

Normalfags are stupid. That's why they use it and literally every other social media website.

>>15870089

>They changed to do that if your games already made them a ton of money, which is a gross favoring of AAA companies

The whole point being to try to disincentivize using Steam as a dumping ground for shovelware, because their market was getting flooded with even lower than mobile-tier garbage and people were screaming at Gabe to do something - but which they still ended up being because there was no competition. If Epic and Discord can become a haven for shovelware - drawing it away from Steam, then let them. Any Indie that generates interest and buzz from the industry is going to find it's way over to steam anyhow (for the time being) because it's the largest platform. You're still making more on a 70% cut of 100,000 sales, than you are on a 90% cut of 30,000. And I couldn't say about the Discord store, but the Epic store is really bare bones. They have a long way to go before they even have a fraction of Steam's quality of life features. The biggest threat to Steam in all of this is major publishers all fucking off to make their own launchers. If Steam can hold onto either the Indies or the AAA - they're going to be able to weather this out without many problems. If they lose both… they're in deep shit. It's going to come down to whether or not people are willing to support having their game libraries spread across 30 some odd different launchers all vying to update and run DRM on your machine simutaniously. If the bubble bursts and dedicated individual launchers aren't profitable, Steam will be ok. If people just throw their money at AAA because it's the hot popular thing and will jump through hoops of shit and fire to get them - then Steam is in trouble.

>>15872806

Tox and Retroshare are p2p, they share your IP address.

>>15870603

>they collect your data

>they probably monitor everything you say

NO SHIT NIGGER

>the people behind discord were sued over allegations of fraud

Well that's just the cherry on the shit cake, huh?

Every single god damn application under the sun either can collect or already collects data these days. You're not safe, you're never safe, nothing you use will ever respect your privacy. The best thing to do is not use anything at all.

>>15871242

That's because it is.

>>15870046

Kekeroni y33tza

Bruv you know we live in the darkest timeline, were rational thought is a dwindling and exotic resource.

>>15897277

>taking the power from the people before they go too far just turns you into a communist regime

Are you saying that having laws against certain business activity is communism or am I misunderstanding you?

>>15870038

I hate that fat pig Gabe and his cabal of fat greedy kikes, but the benefits that their services have for developers far outweigh the benefits of a bigger revenue cut.

>Steam P2P networking

>Forums, which while abysmal are alright if the developers closely regulate them and keep them on-topic

>Bigger userbase

>Easy-to-use API for their services, designed to work with multiple engines and isn't difficult to use outside of those engines if you're willing to get your hands dirty

The difference between these little kikes that are trying to muscle in on the big kike's territory is that they're simply a storefront whereas Steam is a full-blown service. When they start providing similar services, Gabe's fat, fetid, disgusting ass might finally get knocked off of his scooter, but never until that point is reached will Steam see any realistic threat.

>>15870324

>Nobody likes Steam anymore.

Sure thing shill. For nearly a decade Steam has dominated digital games on PC, but only now after Tencent bought out half of the Game Awards screen time to shill their shitty Discord store and Epic games store "we" dislike Steam?

For what, for Valve making a shitty card game? Valve little fanbase is peanuts compared to the larger audience of Steam users.

The only way e-stores can compete with Steam is through exclusives.

Origin has EA exclusives, Uplay has Ubishit exclusives, and now Discord and Epic have their own shitty little indie exclusives.

If you cheer this on you are a retard for a number of reasons.

1. If you are a DRM fag angry about Steam taking away your "golden age" of piracy with it's sales you should reconsider celebrating.

Instead of one easily crack-able platform (Steam) video games will fracture into dozens of different platforms each with their own versions of DRM.

And it won't be like pirating anime where "it doesn't matter if Netflix or Crunchyroll gets my favorite anime I'll just pirate it lmao". Unlike anime, video games are more than just mp4 files and can have some pretty nasty anti-piracy measures built into them.

And this is assuming that publishers, eager to lock consumers into their storefront ecosystems, will even make single player games anymore in the future.

2. If you are one of the porn junkies who plague these threads you should just leave. Steam was never a platform for your disgusting loli shit.

And these changes won't benefit you, any storefront who teases to host your hentai vydia will dump your degenerate genre to the ditch were it belongs as soon as there's no need for you anymore.

3. If you're a console war shitter you should kill yourself immediately for being a useful idiot.

4. If you're a corporate shill on the dole from Tencent, here to talk about "how great these new game stores are" you should consider posting on 4cuck instead because people here aren't as stupid as you think. except maybe the mods.

>>15897277

>Every company wants to be THE monopolist, OP. That's what's supposed to drive them to innovate and better themselves.

Because of copyright laws video game stores will cartel-ize with video game exclusives.

Nobody will innovate, they will continually spiral down the "ecosystem" strategy that Apple pioneered.

Games will become less available than ever to the consumer. They will also become as generic and uninspired as television and cinema is today in order to pull in larger and larger audiences.

>This is good, the world needed some competition in the DRM realm.

Oh, I see. Your a worthless faggot, with the rest of your post being pretentious dogshit.

>Can't let valve grasp all the power and set all the norms.

Valve never had all the power.

>>15899124

This guy gets it, partially.

Origin, Battlenet, and Uplay are all services in this regard aswell.

The key is that Valve doesn't force game developers to exclusively use their platform and gives them plenty of options.

If CDPR wants to host GOG they can do that while still using Steam's services and selling their games on Steam.

When one of the bigger players starts giving other devs access to their services with the same laisse faire attitude that Steam has is when Steam will actually have a competitor.

Then it will be a matter of pricing. Pricing wise I don't see the likes of EA or Activation stomaching anything below a 50% sales cut on a game.

And the only sales you'll ever see on these Tencent shitshops will be irrelevant indie shit.

So in Summary Steam is eternally doomed to be the go to store for PC games, but can't screw over it's customers like everyone believes they will or they will leave.

And pretentious faggots are eternally doomed to hate on Steam for their contrived reasons but still end up using it anyways.

And this will go on and on for years. Along with my suffering.

>>15898856

Nah, I meant it in a more forceful way. Laws are fine and all, god knows we need them but they're easily circumvented, especially when you're a huge company that can devote many resources to figuring out how to get around them. I meant it in the sense where you see them doing something that's clearly immoral but doesn't break the law. It's essentially or at least very close to exploiting a loophole in law. The only way to stop that is to strike fast and hard. If you just rewrite the law, they're gonna stop and eventually find a new loophole. What I meant was that the only way to stop that behavior is to go after the culprits fast and aggressively, without a well articulated cause which will make them afraid and in most cases stop what they're doing. However, if you do start to act that way then you are on a fast path to communism. Note that I also pondered on the question whether stopping this behavior in such a forceful manner would ever really be worth it or if it would merely stump progress and evolution. The latter seems highly plausible and that's the recipe for eventual doom.

>>15899411

>Because of copyright laws video game stores will cartel-ize with video game exclusives.

>Nobody will innovate

>Games will become less available than ever to the consumer

>less available than ever

That's where you lost me. Games cost 30-60$. Why would publishers want to push away a potential market? Every one of those purchases is a fairly big amount of money. I mean, sure, if they get a good enough deal by the platform that wants them exclusively but otherwise it would be foolish to do so. Not to mention that it probably wouldn't be worth it for the platform either. You should expect games to want to be on your platform. If you have to lube them up every time you're probably not gonna be very successful. I have to mention here that I only read the OP, so I don't know if discord wants the games to only be available through their platform. In that case I don't think it will succeed and it's a needless worry for you. I also agree about the copyright shit. The laws around that are too tight, it's getting silly.

>Valve never had all the power.

In the DRM realm they pretty much did. What other similar platforms did you have to choose from? Ubi? Origin? Clearly people want to have their games in an online library, even if they're locked behind a TOS agreement and none of those jokes ever came close.

<This is good, the world needed some competition in the DRM realm.

>Oh, I see. Your a worthless faggot, with the rest of your post being pretentious dogshit.

Truly, a sophisticated rebuttal. I'm supposed to understand what you were trying to tell me? Oh wait, let me guess, I'm not worth your explanations? Despite clearly being worth replying to. I do apologize for trying to think of a scenario that makes sense for the situation. God forbid you ever think a step further than video games or try to look at it from a rational perspective. Both aspects are important. Emotional and rational. One lets you define your goals and motivations and the other lets you see things how others see them. The marketing teams and the publishers aren't in this to make great video games, they're in it to make great money and you're never gonna change that. No matter how angry you get about it.

>>15870038

BASED

Steam should offer a greater cut to developers that actually optimize the size of their game. No more 100 GBs of uncompressed shit.

>>15899525

>In the DRM realm they pretty much did.

DRM is set by the publisher/developer, you don't have to use steamworks or whatever, but you can use it if you want to free of charge (one of the things they use their cut for).

same with exclusivity, you can sell wherever you want how you want to the point you can generate keys you can sell for 100% if you want to, but again up to the publisher. only restriction afaik is dlc has to be bought on steam if you got the base game there (iirc one of the reason EA split) and you can't have a second storefront in your launcher (hence the castrated version of uplay).

>>15902243

> you are aware steam happily still sells loli stuff and their latest removals didn't even have anything to do with loli at all?

Your not fooling anyone porn fag.

Just by typing in "Steam" into the catalog I can see all the endless whining. These are just a few of the archives y'all have posted about your "Waifupocalypse"

https://archive.fo/vthvt

https://archive.fo/DBtMS

https://archive.fo/8fvjC

These are all the "wholesome visual novels" That didn't end up publishing on Steam.

It's the same fucking story over and over again, every fucking thread.

>Steam says no some irrelevant low-budget Weeb porn game.

<WAAAAHH muh artistic freedom.

<Look at this game on your store that's way more degenerate, why are you such a hypocrite Steam?

<Steam gib me my Eroge

This board is not Steam so I don't know why you faggots are complaining here since it will get you nowhere.

Oh wait, you're trying to appeal to the GG crowd by saying that Valve is "Censoring video games" without disclosing that:

A) The video games in question are degenerate hentai shit, and Valve has stated the reason for their bans is because they are loli and/or disgusting.

B) Most Developers of those games were still able to publish those games elsewhere. So there was no censorship, only a loss of exposure/money for being off Steam.

C) Because of your little outcry Valve is already considering rescinding the bans.

Which makes me wonder, why do you care if these games get knocked off Steam and get less exposure? Do you own some stock in hentai companies or something?

Maybe I would care about your little Free Speech crusade for porn if y'all weren't such disingenuous bastards.

But who am I kidding you're porn fags. Basically drug addicts who had their fix taken away. Your morals have long since left you.

>>15902582

>loli = pedo

Goons out.

All of this tech plutocracy stuff is so crazy. It really does feel like they are trying to create a human hivemind or some shit.

>>15897142

>literally everything you do is logged and this will be used against you or to profit off you and that's not mutually exclusive

Did you forget where you're posting?

>>15902499

>>15902582

>>15899411

>censorship apologist steamdrone calls others shills for being against Steam

>why do you care about censorship, do you have stock in hentai companies or something man

man I missed some funny shit in this thread

>>15870603

I keep seeing this same webm posted with the same shitty misleading thumbnail and I have never bothered to watch it fully.

Can someone less of a faggot summarize the thing?

>>15919756

When they have a de facto monopoly on all digital sales then yes it is censorship.

You have to realize that the plan is to elevate China as the new America, while Europe and America descend into the third world. You will all be making cheap goods for the chinks, while children in schools are taught chinese and TV praises all the good qualities of China.

Just like Europeans never expected America to turn against them in the fight against Communism, you will feel the horror of seeing an alien race of insect men bombing your sacred homeland for the benefit of the jews alone.

All this kvetching in this thread.

>>15870498

>oy gevalt

Going to support Tencent and their ambitions all the way to spite the kike.

>>15871358

>>15872292

Dream on kikes.

>>15870738

Can somebody explain to me how using other programs does you any good? Couldn't other programs, such as, Ventrillo, also store your information and sell it without you knowing?

Realitstically, the only way to avoid info collecting would be to cease using the internet, since it's been shown that even on image boards data collection can be performed. I accepted this shit long ago, I only care that nothing comes back to fuck me over personally. Hence why I refuse to get into kikebook and the like.

>>15935289

I've had a lot of bad dreams when I was learning to drive where this exact thing happens.

>>15935289

Those aren't chinks. The driving is way to good, it's a computer driven car.

>>15935375

>Couldn't other programs, such as, Ventrillo, also store your information and sell it without you knowing?

No, because those other programs allow you to host your own server. Nothing needs to be sent back to the publisher of the software, as long as you trust your server host you're fine. With Discord, everything has to go through their own servers so you have no way to tell what they're looking at or storing or selling.

>>15935424

Chinks would have stopped the car and backed over the corpse a few times to make sure it was really dead.

>>15935784

It's Russian. If it were chinks it would be security camera footage, not dashcam footage.

Wow, I forgot this thread was still live.

>look up looney tunes cartoon

>oy vey diff iff plopaganla

Eat my ass, chinks are chinks. Chinks don't even know what to archive, putting dead ricebaby diapers in structure of supposed GDP enhancing ghost cities. Worthless since how long ago? Had to have the (((allies))) make sure Japan didn't entirely blitz you because of interests in ant people production.

>>15935744

>Nothing needs to be sent back

But how do you know there isn't something in the program that is taking that information?

Unless you're an expert in this sort of stuff and can tell by viewing the programs files while the program is operated that nothing suspicious is happening, all bets are off.

>>15935375

forgot to add it really doesn't matter as long as you don't go full offline. smartphone is literally a microphone + camera with a battey that connects to the internet and has a gps receiver, just browsing around without a privacy hardened browser will leave fingerprints all over the place via cookies and invisible pixel tracking and the browser itself. even then unless you use TOR (which is already compromised apparently) you'll leave your IP and traffic open to be sniffed by whatever agency hooked up to your ISP or the big interconnect.

and even when doing all that you could be put on a list for simply doing it ("if he goes through all that trouble he must have something worthwhile to hide"). obfuscation and data overload probably works better in the long run. if a company wants your data it's gonna get it one way or another, least make it more difficult to get phished by some russian or chink.

>>15935923

If most fags are ass-to-the-wind discord retards at this point, I don't see much reason to not just be back to IRC. There are very simple preventative matters there.

>>15935955

the masses were always retarded, remember AIM/ICQ/MSN? discord is just another form of that with the convenience that works for them.

>>15935962

Do you remember Yahoo Messenger? I made so many penpals there and then they put some female in charge and had to project her yiddish grooming on the extent of it all. Thank goodness functions like IRC and NNTP still exist. Even if even the HACKER COMMUNITY is more obsessed with identity politics than hardware.

>>15935965

what fucking film is this from please

>>15936077

anon we already have one, it's called the share thread

>>15902597

>This guy makes a living getting high as fuck and listening to Alex Jones rant about batshit crazy topics.

Living the dream right there.

>>15935855

>>15935923

Difference is, you can look at your own traffic and see what's being sent out if you own the server. Even if you never actually look at what it's doing yourself, the fact that people can do that means it's unlikely the program will be snooping without someone finding out.

Of course, you should really just be using an open source program like Mumble where you can look at the code and see that it's not snooping. TS and Ventrilo are still better than Discord, though.

So the Chinese own discord?

>>15937366

At this rate, posts will become indecipherable in a few months due to half the words beings replaced by "cuck" and "soy."

>>15939193

Cuck you.

>>15939165

All three are shit. Feudalism or bust, nigger serf swine.

LET THE CHINKS OUTKIKE THE KIKES

>>15870038

>no Linux client

I guess they can suck my dick then

>>15939288

>linux

>games