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i dont hate the game but if this was released as the first final fantasy, it probably wouldve killed square

FF3 is by far the best NES FF. It's more of a sequel to the original game than two was, with a similar set-up and battle system. But I don't think the series started getting really good until the SNES games.

>>15748181

>spells level up at the same rate as melee attacks

This skill system can work but holy shit using magic was a waste of time

>>15748181

FF2 was probably the worst that came out before FF10.

Basically everything between FF3 and FF9 are pretty good vidya. FF10 is a bit divisive (it's the start of the descent into "holy shit what the fuck is this story," but it's not as bad as it gets later).

One could argue that they're still not worth it because there's better games out there (even for free), but it's worth playing if you're just out of other things you want to play I guess.

>>15748181

3 is like a refined 1.

>>15748305

>implying VIII isn't also "what the fuck is this story"

The success of story-focused 6 and 7 was the beginning of the end. We'll never have another job-heavy FF like 5, that style of game is left to spinoffs and other series like Bravely.

The Wonderswan port fixed a lot of the broken stuff in the NES original. I think that's what the PSP and PSX ports are based on too.

3 is a lot better but the balance is a bit off.

I thought 2 was alright, better than some of the other main series games. I played the psp version though so I never really got the hate for the game.

Never honestly played through the entirety of 3 (on NES). The remake of 3 looks comfy but only played a few minutes of it to make sure the rom worked in my emulator. That said, FF3 can't be all that bad because its the game that introduced the Jobs system.

>>15748181

2 is generally considered the worst. 3 is 5's prototype.

The first 6 FF games are bad.

Main problem with 2 is the meh dungeon design and all the "Woops, you went in the wrong door!" rooms.

It's honestly not that bad and a far cry from the worst FF ever. If you like the leveling mechanics of 2, do check out the SaGa series. FFII director Kawazu went on to make those.

There's no reason to play 3 if you've played 5. It's just a jankier version of 5's system with gimmick classes for particular dungeons and so on. Though if you've played 5 and want more of the same, go ahead.

>>15748793

The PS1 and Wonderswan ports are pretty much the same to my knowledge. The GBA version is quite different though, definitely for 1 and I'm pretty sure 2 has plenty of changes too. The PSP version is definitely based more on the GBA version, though. The graphics between all these versions are very similar, though, it's the gameplay that changes a lot with the GBA version.

>>15749150

Any remake of FF1 on the gba and onwards is baby mode, if you want anything resembling the original's difficulty just go with PS1

>>15748181

>Is 3 worth it

I haven't played the original 3, I'll admit: I've only played the DS remake, which is on Steam now. The 3 remake is great though, it goes toe-to-toe with modern JRPGs in many ways, and I definitely recommend it.

>>15748181

FFIII is one of the best FFs.

FFII is one of the worst.

FF2 on PSP is the bee's knees.

>>15753943

FF1 on PSP is still better, but FF2 thread etc

I played 2 last year. It is the most boring, short, and uninspired final fantasy game to date and it will honestly take a good bit of effort to make something worse. It just took the star wars plot of some rebels against the big bad empire. There's a reason no one talks about this game.

I'm curious about ff3 too

>>15748774

8's story was a fun kind of retarded, though.

>>15748181

FF 2 was experimental, and its many flaws show. Don't abandon the series yet. Play until 9, skipping 8, and then you can abandon the series completely, as everything from 10 onward is shit.

As for 2, you should try to play a rom hack that improves the mechanics, especially from one of the ports for other consoles. The GBA one is the most accessible.

I like the game and how it's many "clichés" are homages to other entertainment productions that i like. And it also started many of the trends present in all the games in the series.

It's main villain being able to counter every successful plan from the heroes creates a really good sense of progression. The plot really feels like the heroes are facing an ever increasing threat.

The soundtrack has good compositions, that are better presented in the other ports.

Give it a try until the end, and see if you like some of it.

>>15754216

Killing Rinoa would solve all problems.

Every single character is a literal idiot that prevents the main character from taking the best course of action in all situations.

"The power of friendship will make you find each other during time travel".

Not even funny. It is plain shit.

>>15755264

>>15754216

What you would have to do to prevent the plot altogether is use Elone's mental time travel nonsense to go back in time and kill her/prevent her from being born.

Boom, Ultimecia's plan to time travel mentally back into the past to collapse all of spacetime into a singularity and then suck it up her vagina or some shit becomes impossible.

final fantasy 2 is the best FF anyone that says otherwise is a faggot

OP here, i just got past the leviathan dungeon, going for ultima spell. i have the dragoon in my party (is his name richard or something?)

my physical level is completely broken right now, to the point i nearly half the monsters who are weak to physical attacks ultimately making magic (other than life and occasional cure) useless.

i liked the part with the lamia boss, was pretty neat.

>>15754216

I wonder how much it suffered from localization shenanigans, though

>>15757380

You arent going to be prepared for the tears

I fucking cried near the end.

OP once again, the version i am using is a fan translation of the famicom version

>>15753974

FF2 kicks ass, and so does the SAGA series, this thread is full of faggots.

>>15748423

FF3 is dull trash, along with 5. I beat 3 years ago and yet can't remember a single significant thing about the story.

>>15753974

The mechanics aren't broken, you just have shit taste

>>15757946

>FF3 and 5

>games which main point is the job system i.e the fucking gameplay

>"I can't remember anything about the story"

No anon, you are the faggots.

>>15748181

You should be playing either the GBA or PSP remake (depending on whether you like MP or semi-Vancian magic)

Not just for the improved mechanics, but for the post-game that has your fallen comrades fighting their way out of hell

>>15758536

RPGs live and die by their story

After the excellent story of FF4, FF5's should not have been as bland

Final Fantasy games are all shit except for FFT because it's Tactics Ogre 2.

>>15758569

>You should be playing either the GBA or PSP remake (depending on whether you like MP or semi-Vancian magic)

The only one with different options for magic are the versions before the GBA one dipshit.

>>15758579

>FF4

>excellent story

I like FF4 but if you don't think it's basic shit you're delusional, what with the disney deaths all over the place. At least FF5 doesn't take itself too seriously and ironically has one of the best character deaths in the series and Gilgamesh as a minor villain shits on any character from 4

>>15757424

mostly a lot of stuff with squall was localized into him being an apathetic faggot instead of just a dark loner type, like all the whatever memes aren't in the japanese version

>>15758689

FF5 was a parody of FF4, even square knew that ff4 was eh story wise. Still, FF4 was pretty good for its time, as basic stories were a huge step up from one scene of exposition and then no fucking story whatsoever for the rest of the game, which was the norm back in the late 80s early 90s

>>15758689

Death and betrayal abound throughout FF4. And while it's disney as fuck it drives Cecil's journey forward

Tthe only thing really driving 5's story is curiosity about what's next; Bartz is not nor does he need to be in the thick of it.

Compare to FF12. While it would have had a much better story if Vaan and Penelo simply didn't exist, they still have motivations that tie them to current events.

>>15758713

Yeah, I knew about Squall, was wondering if they actually fucked up important plot points or something. Guess I'll have to play it in Japanese to know

>>15758818

>>15758774

I don't disagree that FF4 was a breakthrough at that time, and I still like it very much, but its gameplay can't hold a candle to FF5 which I can replay every now and then rolling random classes and always have a blast.

>>15758818

Bartz may not have a real motivation at the start if you think pink royal pussy isn't a good enough motivation, but he does when he discovers who his father was. I still haven't played FF12 to compare, but I've heard countless times that Vaan and Penelo are utterly irrelevant past the start and they just stand around in the cutscenes, so I don't know about that.

>>15758973

boy did I fuck that post up

>>15758973

>I still haven't played FF12 to compare, but I've heard countless times that Vaan and Penelo are utterly irrelevant past the start and they just stand around in the cutscenes, so I don't know about that.

spoilers for the first 5 minutes:

if you were to replace Vaan with his brother Reks, you'd have a story about a guy who saw the captain of the knights's betrayal firsthand and have motivations ranging from revenge to resistance against the empire, and upon rescuing Basch at Nalbina, would have no reason to trust him despite his explanations

But of course that much doesn't matter when you consider that the design document cast Basch in the leading role, made Vaan a dickass thief who insinuated his way into the party to save his own skin, would have featured 6-man parties with more than a dozen characters to choose from (elements of which are still in the game), and would have featured a significantly larger game world. Then Matsuno fell ill

Play the Zodiac job system version

>>15758579

>RPGs live and die by their story

Maybe WRPGs (not really though), but not JRPGs. JRPGs have always been more about gameplay with the story as just a bonus, this has been the case ever since Dragon Quest set the standards of the genre.

>>15758689

OP can affirm, rip galuf

>>15757380

The broken physical attacks are the norm. The game's mechanics lead up to that.

The Lamia and it's lewd scene is one of the funniest moments.

You are in the final parts of the game. Keep playing and tell what you thought about the main villains.

>>15758579

Spoke like a true NPC that can only parrot what journos say.

5 has an excellent plot: good vs evil.

That is all you need for a good plot. No convoluted and pretentious shit.

>>15759413

This.