7a8d8c No.15724813
ITT Post vidya remakes/remasters which RUIN the original
Example: YU-NO remake.
But I'll start with Caligula Overdose
>fix the disgusting 5fps dips to a near-consistent 60fps
>even adds a female protag option
>add audio cues, graphical effects, update models with better cellshading, add new environments, dungeons, etc.
>get a lot of minor details right
>totally ruin it with new anime scenes to all be QUALITY
>REMOVE other anime scenes (instead of changing them)
>one anime scene, which takes place dead at night, suddenly becomes sunny evening sky for the anime scene only to go back to night in-game
>edgelord new character you can't get rid of unless you simultaneously play the pseudo-villainous route
>villainous route is just filler chapters for more context, but also breaks the game
>Mu, the girl you're chasing, is literally in your pocket most of the time in this route
>You meet with the main villain long before anyone else does and if you turn her offer down you NEVER SAY A WORD ABOUT IT
>NOT ONCE
>New villain design for villain protag, but no new weapon design for this outfit
>new villains, one of them sucks and the other is more fitting to be a party member but never is
>new scenes added which gives no additional context whatsoever
>new party member (not edgelord) who is alright, mostly, but barely has a thing to say by the end, clearly feeling like a late-addition to the already written script
>lock the better moves behind xp walls at higher levels but all you need is to max out the first two attacks of each char to cheese the game
>RUIN the main villain's last spiteful words about their motivation and deranged hatred and try to make a total monster sympathetic in the very last seconds of their screen time
I PAID $100 FOR THIS YOU DIRTBAG FURYU WHY DID YOU SCREW ME LIKE THIS
5042fa No.15724817
This is some advanced formatting skills, props to you
7a8d8c No.15724836
>>15724817
How about you add a vidya to the thread?
1d4ff3 No.15724842
You can always go back and play the original.
If you lost it or threw it away, you're a nigger.
Anything being "ruined" is in your head entirely.
Canon be damned, your copy is the canon.
367c26 No.15724845
>He actually bought this shit game
7a8d8c No.15724861
>>15724842
>If you lost it or threw it away, you're a nigger.
It was digital-only to begin with so that's not gonna happen, especially not with a brewed Vita.
That said, you got a point. The original is superior and worth the high seas.
Just a shame since the framerate in the original really is ass. Wish they'd find a way to emulate the Vita already.
What game remakes do you hate, then?
7a8d8c No.15724868
>>15724845
>mocking a man who just lost a hundred bucks on a butchering of a vidya he liked
Sounds about right. I deserve it.
At least other anons who would have been interested in this game won't make the same mistthere's like three people on the whole board who even knows this game exists. Who am I kidding?
1d4ff3 No.15724886
>>15724861
>can't "lose" or "throw away" digital data
>can't lose physical drives (literal lost)
>can't delete (throw away) data
Entirely possible and a very nigger thing to do.
000000 No.15724888
>>15724813
All of them.
And buying entertainment is for retards.
Always pirate.
367c26 No.15724895
>>15724868
>He lost $100 for a shit game
0a63ca No.15724932
>>15724868
I was planning on pirating the PC version to see how bad NISA fucks it up but if the nip version is shit too then I'll just pass all together. Thanks for the heads up Anon.
7a8d8c No.15724935
>>15724886
Fair enough and good point.
>>15724895
I only had two games I was looking forward to. Overdose and Death Mark, and both were utter disappointments. Never buy collector editions.
I feel like an idiot.
Anyway, what remakes anons?
>>15724888
>All of them.
Tornon come on. There has to be a few remakes which bettered the game. Seriously.
ea6f06 No.15724938
Radiant Historia's remake
7a8d8c No.15724950
>>15724932
If you can set sail for the Vita version and can stomach the dip in framerate in combat (mostly multiple enemy and bosses because of all the effects chugging it) then do it. It's great.
Course if some wonderful anon could emulate the thing it'd be infinitely better.
Glad I saved you money time, though.
I mean look at this. I get that this was Furyu's first console game and so they had to cut costs for outsourcing the anime scenes but there's no excuse for this level of incompetence
7a8d8c No.15724952
>>15724938
>Radiant Historia's remake
OH! I heard about this! Didn't they ruin the story by changing key events or something?
7df533 No.15724980
>>15724952
someone will post the image, but they basically shoved an OC character into the game and made the entire story revolve around her in some kind of revisionist bullshit, and also turned stocke into a cuck
ea6f06 No.15724983
>>15724952
You can play it in the original mode, but they butchered the art and had the fucking gall to charge 3 dollars for the original art. Fucking kikes.
5042fa No.15724992
>>15724952
They ruined the perfect golden ending or something too
7a8d8c No.15725001
>>15724980
>>15724992
>>15724983
>shoved an OC character into the game and made the entire story revolve around her
>turned stocke into a cuck
>they butchered the art and had the fucking gall to charge 3 dollars for the original art
>ruined the perfect golden ending
That sounds like a nightmare
507d41 No.15725014
>>15724935
What's wrong with Death Mark? Heard good comments but haven't played it yet.
I agree on the collector editions. I can only vouch for Vanillaware's Odin Sphere remake because the artwork is such good quality, but in general i'd only risk it with AA studios that have a really good track record.
6f89ec No.15725019
>>15724980
>>15724952
Here you go.
>>15724813
>I PAID $100 FOR THIS YOU DIRTBAG FURYU WHY DID YOU SCREW ME LIKE THIS
What system format did you get it for? Because if it was the Switch or PC
>Giving NISA money.
a91f43 No.15725025
None of them do. Thi4f doesn't invalidate the rest of the series, if anything, it makes Thief Deadly Shadows look better.
>>15724817
>advanced formatting
>>>/hdi8/
45090f No.15725031
>>15725025
I think what he means is that the remake takes the original content and concept and makes it suck, not that the original game instantly selfcombusts when the remake is released.
6f89ec No.15725040
>>15725014
Vanillaware did a great job with Leifthrasir, being that it not only includes a gameplay remake mode, but also the original combat as an HD extended port mode, helping to satisfy both those that liked the original and wanted to play it again (with without the slowdown the NTSC versions of the PS2 original were known for) and those that thought the combat needed more work, helping provide reason for both sorts to want to look into it. Also not a lick of paid DLC, and I don't recall it having a forced disc install on the PS3 either at that.
abcd31 No.15725051
MagiNation GBA. The graphics are worse despite being on more powerful hardware.
5042fa No.15725054
>>15725014
>never buy collector's editions
You can usually resell it for a higher value than you got it so you're fine unless you're so bad that you somehow lose money on them
I'm glad I'm not retarded and buy collector's editions for shit games, you seem more like an anon who can't seem to stop fucking up than anything else. I'm pretty happy with what I've bought so far, and I've gotten nearly all of them for bargains except from companies I trust immensely and wanted to support by buying at full price
87aa09 No.15725092
>>15724813
I seriously hope you weren't stupid enough to give NISA money and at least wasted your money on the Japanese or Asian version
6f89ec No.15725104
>>15725054
I never go for CEs or LEs unless they're the only way to get an actual copy, provided it's a game I'm actually interested in (which is increasingly small these days). Games with first print run bonuses are another story, and I usually don't mind them if it doesn't cost anymore than the base price, but that still implies the game is worth dropping full price on at launch, if ever. And there's still the unfortunate factor that most of those bonuses are apt to just be digital these days as opposed to actual physical goods like artbooks or soundtracks (and I mean proper, full length, jewelcased ones, not 6-12 song sampler CDs). Though I suppose the idea with those is also to be thankful they even made a bit more effort.
And fuck CEs and LEs that don't work with the game's content in question. If a game has a really good composer or artist, a full physical OST or artbook should be what is sprung for, not pins, or microfiber clothes, or trading cards, or (seriously, fuck this one) stickers. Or (again, fuck this) making a fucking DLC voucher that is exclusive to dropping an $40+ extra on as a perk. Do something that people that like the game will actually appreciate for the future.
7a8d8c No.15725123
>>15725092
No no, of course not. I got the Asia English version in the collector edition. Came with an artbook and very nice steel book cover. Worthless waste of money.
8715d5 No.15725139
7a8d8c No.15725149
>>15725014
>What's wrong with Death Mark?
Really weak story, very undeveloped characters and only about three good chapters/mysteries in the whole game. It sucks because I wanted a good, well written mystery story but what I got was six hour-long episodes to a mediocre one.
>>15725019
Asia English. Not Nisa. Nisa isn't even out yet.
>that pic
I never played the original and yet I am repulsed. I feel terrible for those who loved that game.
>>15725139
What did they do to it?
21ffc9 No.15725158
>>15724842
This. If a shitty remake can "ruin" the original, the original probably wasn't as good as you thought it was to begin with and the remake just highlighted this.
507d41 No.15725167
>>15725149
Thank god for piracy.
6f89ec No.15725177
>>15725149
Thankfully the original Radiant Historia is not difficult to find anymore or remotely expensive if one deigns to go that route, at least where I live. Between getting a reprint years back and people "trading up" it's about $16 complete. Strange Journey DS is also similarly down and easier to find, though somewhat pricier at $20 or so complete, though I'm not certain it got a reprint like its PS2 SMT brethren. Same can't be said of various other Atlus published games on the DS or PS2.
>>15724842
>>15725025
To be fair, while the original game is obviously still in existence, remakes and reboots can do a real number on polluting the base with newfags that didn't play the original(s), nor are they interested in doing so, and cause confusion as to which version they're talking about if they don't deign to specify. And not having played the original version, they don't know or care if they've been served a worse version if they're still enjoying themselves and it looks/sounds better.
>>15724935
There's a handful of ones that get considered better than the original, but even just reaching "on par" can take some real doing, trying to find a balance of improving on the game in question while not losing the original base in favor of newcomers (which in some cases may well be the entire intent). Having the same development staff brought back obviously helps a good bit since they can know firsthand how it was developed the first time around and what has to be retained and what could stand tweaking from reception the first time. But in a number cases that's not exactly feasible due to companies going under or staff splitting up, yet the rightsholders will go right on ahead with a new team or company on it, because they smell money to be had. Also certain games that absolutely can't be remade because they're in a way products of their times and circumstances, and doing so under present, they'd have to change or cut a lot due to such becoming "unacceptable", or the fact they'd slipped past with it the first time practically a fluke.
a91f43 No.15725283
>>15725177
>remakes and reboots can do a real number on polluting the base with newfags
That shouldn't influence your enjoyment of playing the actual games though. The only exception would be like online Doom where it's also down to what mods are popular (read: Brütal Doom Brütal Doom Brütal Doom Brütal Doom Project Brutality Brütal Doom Brütal Doom and a few randoms). Even with that though you can try to wrangle some bros to play with outside of the main server.
7951c2 No.15725326
>Decent Vita visuals replaced with hideous max-contrast cel-shaded piles of puke
>Enemies instantly disappear on death, throwing combo style ratings out the window
>Field environment completely removed from battle instances in a game all about spatial combat
>Time Line bars get notches instead of a slider
>Freecam in battle removed
>Vertical camera rotation on field more limited to make upskirts harder to see
>Did I mention the complete absence of combat environment in a FUCKING TACTICAL RPG
Yes, OP, the remake is irredeemable trash. As for the character models, I fail to see where you find any improvement in Overdose's MMD-looking excrement.
You're far better off playing the original Caligula, even if it does have some scary save-deleting bug (which I've heard about, but never seen confirmed).
>>15724950
I always found it weird that the protagonist recovered from a twisted arm and broken leg in half a minute like it was nothing.
Maybe it's one of those cases where the writer and the animation team failed to communicate, but had no time or budget left to redo the scene.
Or maybe the dude had simply cast a healing spell on himself while everyone else was distracted by the trap.
2a713a No.15725327
>>15725283
Say that when all what you enjoy has become a shameless cash grab and you can't have any serious discussion without some furry or 10 year old polluting it.
7a8d8c No.15725348
>>15725326
>Did I mention the complete absence of combat environment in a FUCKING TACTICAL RPG
See? It's been so long since I played the original that I totally forgot about this aspect, and yeah the reason the fps was garbage in combat was because there was always so much visually going on and the game looked amazing, one of the best looking JRPGs on the Vita.
In fact, I take back what I said about the models. You're right, they are very MMD and hyper shaded in comparison. Literally the only thing this edition has going for it is having a bit more time with Mu and good framerate.
How did this happen? They just needed to do the same thing they already did but put a better framerate. Even if you want to add some stuff for a FeMC that still wouldn't lead to this. How? How could they have screwed up so horribly on something so absurdly simple?
a91f43 No.15725403
>>15725327
There's a reason I hang around here instead of most places, and also a reason why I play online games extremely rarely. I've basically written off modern games at least for AAA and mobile.
>>15725348
How's overclocking help with that game? Because sadly, badly performing Vita games are kind of a problem especially if it's a multiplat.
2a713a No.15725410
>>15725403
You can't have serious discussion here tho.
8113cb No.15725414
>>15725177
>imblying the 3DS version isn/t superior
7a8d8c No.15725429
>>15725403
>overclocking
Never tried it, actually. Too worried it'd break my earlier gen Vita. Could be an immense help if it works, though, since that framerate is the singular bust in the cruise liner's hull.
1cd388 No.15725435
That Secret of Mana remake looked pretty shitty.
a91f43 No.15725455
>>15725429
"Overclocking" was a misnomer until recently. Vita actually has an official way for games to set the system faster if they need it, up to 444MHz CPU / 333MHz GPU. This is what oclockvita and vsh can set to, and it really really helps for many games. Recently though there was another plugin LOLIcon that allows you to bump the CPU further, up to 500MHz. I haven't tried this because it's actual overclocking. That said even if you don't need that feature, that's the ideal plugin to use because there are a few games that don't work with the other 2, and you can set 444/333 mode still.
>>15725410
Nah you can. Far more than you can on 4/v/ and 4/vg/ to be sure, and even if it was on Reddit I cannot stand the way posts are structured there.
1cd388 No.15725459
>>15725455
>going to cuckchan and reddlt
You are going to get your ass beat by God you CIA nigger.
7951c2 No.15725465
>>15725348
They were probably thinking "Unreal Engine will make everything fine and print money, no need to make any effort".
I guess it's a trap some developers fall into. I hope Atlus won't.
06788f No.15725477
>>15725435
It is. I played it recently, and about the only additions i'd say were good are the inn skits and the running. Hotkeys could have been useful but then they only let you map 2, it's retarded. Also the new soundtrack is utter trash, there are like 2 redeemable tracks at most (at least you can use the original). And they did nothing to fix the broken combat other than making spell spamming a little bit harder, weapon charges are as useless as ever. And the graphics are awkward at best, though you kinda get used to it.
Overall only worth a pirate if you absolutely need to see it for yourself, and not worth any amount of money in any circumstance. It's the epitome of wasted potential.
a91f43 No.15725523
>>15725465
Which would be instantly disconfirmed by actual testing. But yeah it's a common trend with the worst performing Vita games I've seen.
>>15725459
I never said that but you're right. Reddit's a necessary evil for certain information (Vita game mods and dumps basically) but I have no interest in joining them or contributing anything. It's basically stealing what's useful from them. 4chan these days offers me nothing, let that sink in.
f9d51c No.15725666
>>15724813
>I PAID $100 FOR THIS
>being a paypiggy
6cdf17 No.15725751
I generally agree with the anon that an inferior reboot or remake doesn't necessarily invalidate nor remove a superior version, no matter how old. My issue however stems from the root of why reboots occur. They alway tend to go for "wider audiences", to sell more than the original thus requiring changes to make it more appealing for more varied demographics. Sometimes they would toss out the original game altogether and slap the name over something completely different. Its then jarring to have to find another fan of the game series and learn that he likes things that you never wanted in your game because he never played it, he only played the reboot. It makes discussion less interesting as neither wants to discuss two totally different games for different people in the same topic. Worse as some decide to disparage one another, older titles have only nolstagic value, newer ones are "soulless" and incomplete. Splitting communities by trying to pander to more people serves nothing and often pleases no one, even if both the original and the reboot are acclaimed successes.
This doesn't matter much if you don't socialize or don't care for what your friends or acquaintances tastes in video-games are. But you do notice whenever you find news or discussion on that rebooted game that once had a different demographic and find that you have less in common with the people talking excitedly about it.
3acbe8 No.15725760
Speaking of modern Atlus we can list stuff like this abomination and EO2U.
346fe8 No.15725861
>>15725760
What a pointless remake, its not BAD because the entire core game is there its just so unnecessary with the art changes and new end chapters. I would still recommend getting it though if there is no possible way of getting the DS version, unsure if that has an outrageous second hand market price
62c4f5 No.15725869
>>15725326
How's the anime? I ain't lookin to spend 50 hours playing a shitty jrpg.
6f89ec No.15725881
>>15725861
>unsure if that has an outrageous second hand market price
It doesn't at this point, at least where I am in the US, and assuming one isn't looking for a first print with the OST disc. Main issue is just finding it (and complete if one cares; Fucking Gamestop trashing huge amounts of DS cases and manuals years back), if one isn't looking online.
>its just so unnecessary
That in itself is a big part of the issue: Neither it nor Radiant Historia really warranted remakes. It wasn't a case of them not holding up, or having potential to be good but not quite meeting it the first time. They were games that people loved and still do, and weren't even that old. Same with Superstar Saga up there, though that at least has the slight excuse of no GBA cart compatibility past the DS Lite. With SJ and RH being compatible with the 3DS anyhow, it just comes off as Atlus (or maybe Sega? Not sure who's been calling the dumb shots since Atlus got bought) wanting to make more money on the games again, without resorting to another cheap reprint in favor of full price remakes.
b74f7b No.15725903
Conker: Live and Reloaded
>unique multiplayer from the original replaced with typical third-person shooter fair (still fun, but inferior to what was there before)
>grittier visual style kind of eliminates a lot of what made the original humorous
>censorship out the ass, completely ruining iconic moments like The Great Mighty Poo
Granted, there were some welcome additions and the controls are superior, and overall it's still a solid game but I think the bad outweighs the good and I just can't recommend it over the original.
MGS: The Twin Snakes
>over the top, silly Matrix-esque cutscenes deflate a lot of tension in the narrative
>levels aren't redesigned to compensate for gameplay mechanics taken from MGS2, which defeats a lot of the challenge, the furnace for example can be skipped almost entirely simply by hanging and dropping from a rail
>inferior soundtrack and voice performances
7951c2 No.15725913
>>15725869
Oh, it's one of the very few game-to-anime adaptations that don't suck. I'd give it a 7/10.
It's not much of a substitite for the game's story (and newsflash, YouTube exists), rather a reimagining. It takes a lot of liberty and doesn't hesitate to be different from the game. You can tell right off the bat from the first episode that it gives no fucks, but in a good way.
Nothing tops the first episode in quality, but the final ep comes somewhat close. It's a fun ride all the way, though.
3acbe8 No.15725917
>>15725861
The core game is made worse by shit like saving anywhere and the new dungeon making you overleveled for the main sectors.
>>15725881
I don't think Superstar Saga or Bowser's Inside Story needed a remake, Partners in Time however does since it's lacking compared to those two.
6f89ec No.15725934
>>15725917
>I don't think Superstar Saga or Bowser's Inside Story needed a remake, Partners in Time however does since it's lacking compared to those two.
Yeah, but unfortunately it's also a matter of popularity. From what I recall, Partners in Time was considered the worst of the three, so it's either last in line despite the one that could perhaps benefit most, or isn't in the running at all (again, despite the one that could perhaps benefit most). Thus you get games that still hold up on most fronts having time wasted on remaking them because they're the ones that are apt to sell better. And like Strange Journey and Radiant Historia, Bowser's Inside Story was already playable on the 3DS via backwards compatibility.
ea6f06 No.15726235
11b696 No.15726290
>>15724980
Isn't that like Persona 4 Golden? I'm not sure myself. I remember the awful anime of Person 4 Golden and it was the Marie show throughout, as well as an awful re-adaptation of Person 4 anime which was awful in a different way. Picture if they did a new game plus of the previous anime but they added a new character, replaced her role in previous events and praised her for it, and it wasn't structured like a retelling of the story but as a extras that only people who've played the game before or watched the previous anime would get. I hated that anime, and not having played the game but how it was portrayed in the anime, hated the character Marie by proxy.
f88045 No.15726293
I hope zun never remakes a 2hu game
62c4f5 No.15726299
>>15725913
Ended up checking it out. Looks pretty average. I guess I'll stick around and see.
e7c2a0 No.15726320
Is there even a single case where a remaster is preferable to the original? (without using a PC and a bunch of mods)
The only acceptable one I can think of is both the Silver Case games because they were stuck 1) on old systems/phones and 2) in japanese until the remake, but that is literally the only one I can think of.
b47049 No.15726350
Can a remake ruin the original though? You can just ignore a remake and play the original if you don't like it. Nobody but you is forced to acknowledge the remaster as a replacement.
>>15726320
Depends on what you qualify as a remaster. IMO, Mega Man Maverick Hunter X, Mega Man Powered Up, Crash N.Sane Trilogy, The Sonic IOS ports, and Kirby Super Star Ultra and Nightmare in Dream Land are very much preferable to the original, but you might consider some of those games to be more remakes than remasters.
e7c2a0 No.15726356
>>15726350
Can't speak for most of what you mentioned but the Crash Trilogy is probably not a good example, it looks good but plays like shit.
7951c2 No.15726369
>>15726290
Atlus does that kind of shit all the time.
3b280d No.15726371
>>15726320
I came here to ask the same question. I really liked the PSP remake of the first Star Ocean game but that's about it. Maybe Tomb Raider Anniversary.
c532cc No.15726375
>>15726320
>Is there even a single case where a remaster is preferable to the original
Metroid Zero Mission
King of Fighters 2002 Unlimited Match
Brandish The Dark Revenant
Muramasa Rebirth
Persona 1's PSP remake
Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry no Wonderland 3D
Dragon Quest Monsters 2: Iru to Ruka no Fushigi na Fushigi na Kagi
5b57e1 No.15726387
>>15726356
Didn't they just reuse the physics engine from 3 in 1 and 2? So 3 should be fine then, unless they fucked that up too
057bdd No.15726829
>>15726375
>Muramasa Rebirth
Might as well add Odin Sphere Leifthrasir too
>>15726387
It's their own implementation of Crash physics so it doesn't match up to the originals in any way, but to be perfectly honest it's not as bad as people say as long as you understand that you're not playing the originals
They did patch it up a bit since the first release, early PS4 you would very often get "ledged" (as in it looks like you landed on the platform but the game zips you into the hole)
db5285 No.15726843
>>15724813
hello, caligulafag
e2fb63 No.15726908
>>15726375
P1P casualized the dungeons, removing a lot of the dead ends that made the originals so complex, not to mention replacing the amazing OST.
It's only preferable in the west because you can't play the Snow Queen Quest in Revelations, otherwise the PSX version is superior in every way except crabwalking and running.
db5285 No.15726917
>>15724980
>and also turned stocke into a cuck
explain
6f89ec No.15727849
>>15726375
Muramasa Rebirth is much more extended (by way of DLC), retranslated port than a remake.
>>15726320
Remaster is not a remake. As for well liked remakes, there's Metroid: Zero Mission, Resident Evil REmake, Pokemon FRLG, and Pokemon HGSS. Also on the side of "no western release" you've got Tales of Destiny PS2 (and it's Director's Cut) as well as Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri Dungeon X.
>>15726371
Part of it is probably helped by SO1 SFC being buggy and unfinished if memory serves. That said, SO1 on the whole, either version, seems to only be considered "alright" in comparison to SO2, and even then fans seem to very much prefer the PS1 version to the tweaked PSP port.
7a8d8c No.15727877
>>15726320
>Is there even a single case where a remaster is preferable to the original?
Growlanser 4 and SMT:Nocturne both have remakes after remakes but the newer edition added characters, plotlines, etc. that all built on what was there without compromising any of it. Growlanser wayfarer of time is so good.
6f89ec No.15727893
>>15727877
>SMT: Nocturne
A Director's Cut is not a remake.
2235bc No.15727993
>>15727893
SSSHHHH don't give atlus ideas!
6f89ec No.15728015
>>15727993
Haven't they already been talking about a full on Nocturne remake anyhow? Not that I trust them to not fuck it up, the way their remake track record's been on late.
5cc70d No.15728031
>>15724813
>which RUIN the original
how do you let that happen? the original was just so flawed that you were praying for something to fix it?
a91f43 No.15728377
>>15726320
Yeah. Odin Sphere and Muramasa. Also all 3 Neptunia Re;birth games but that's not saying a lot considering the originals were so bad, and fucked even harder by NISA than the Re;births were. I'd probably also nominate Dracula X Chronicles but that's more to do with it coming with the original game and SotN, and being portable. The 3D version of Rondo isn't that appealing.
6f89ec No.15728394
>>15728377
Muramasa Rebirth is not a remake. Definitely preferable to the Wii original though if feasible, between a better English script and additional content by way of Genroku Legends.
9d83f9 No.15728435
god this still makes me mad
30d9f5 No.15728455
>>15726290
I saw that adaptation and thought it was retarded as well. Thankfully Marie changes virtually nothing about the game's story. She is present in the Velvet Room and has a job there and you are encouraged to date her/ make friends, if you do then there's an extra dungeon before the final one that resolves her shitty plot and changes the game's ending to an extent.
I haven't played the original P4, nor have I done a playthrough where I didn't max Marie's social link. However I think she can largely be ignored to no ill-effect other than missing out on a dungeon.
On reflection, the worst thing is they could have implemented her a lot better. Just as there was a pure Izanagi and a tainted one it makes perfect sense to have a pure Izanami and a tainted one. Even the scene in the dénouement where she casually tells people to just wish for whatever weather they want and she'll accommodate them is cute in its own right. However they made everything else about her irredeemable. She's Mary Sue meme trash that's barely stapled onto the story.
339809 No.15728475
>>15725861
>its not BAD because the entire core game is there
They completely ruined the balance of the game.
fa1d1d No.15728476
>>15728435
How was it different than Ninja Gaiden 2? I'm surprised the series didn't stay Xbox only.
9d83f9 No.15728510
>>15728476
one of my most major complaints is the upgrade system to the weapons is reworked in the worst way possible, instead of using your gained currency to purchase upgrades (thus increasing your moveset) you get one upgrade per station. initially this doesn't sound terrible until you realize you can't just go straight to level 3, it locks you out based seemingly on how far you are into the game, so you can't upgrade your preferred weapon to level 3 till a certain point in the game. This also means you amass massive amounts of currency with nothing to spend it on because if you're an action game vet you'll be avoiding purchasing healing items. There's another bunch of problems like the blood effects being removed which is purely aesthetic but very lame, less enemies in certain locations and less aggressive enemies in certain locations, a shitty boss fight was added and shitty rachel sections were added. There's a lot more than that as well. It's such a shame because I went to replay NG2 recently being a game i would consider being one of my favorites and I was glad to get my hands on a free 360 after all this time but the performance fucking CHUGS so much i can't quite tolerate as much after getting the luxury of playing more games on a better PC than I did when it released
8082d6 No.15728571
>>15728476
Sigma 1 was a damn fine extension to NG1 with extra content and difficulties (not as hard as Black but still). The only thing cut was the NG original arcade machines
Sigma 2 on the other hand had a director with an aversion to blood, made the difficulty appropriate for ages 3 and up, and cut out lots of content (2 old bosses lost for 5 new ones)
fa1d1d No.15728593
>>15728510
>>15728571
Well that's a shame. Hopefully when NG never ever gets ported to PC we won't be stuck with Sigma 2 instead of normal 2.
dc31ba No.15728798
>>15725149
>What did they do to it?
Oh boy, where to even fucking start.
The GBA sprites were replaced with 2.5D shit, completely killing the game's charm.
Yoko shimomura took a massive shit on the original soundtrack, you remember the godly boss theme? Or cackletta's soul? They got remixed into something that sounds vaguely like kingdom hearts, but half-assed, themes that were previously "energetic" got replaced with sad piano shit.
A couple enemies were removed, others got replaced, most notably the mecha bullet bill who got replaced with a koopa sniper.
Donkey kong and geno are gone from the minigames, there's no fucking reason for these to be left out considering they own the dong and squeenix lent them cloud for smash, geno should have been no problem, he's just a tiny cameo.
The mushroom badge, which let you get disgustingly powerful early in the game basically you get a damage multiplier depending on how many mushrooms you have in your inventory, the catch is that mushrooms are also what you use to heal and revive, so you will get a 20% damage boost at best…unless you stockpile on them and heal with the more "valuable" nuts, or just don't get hit at all, an easy task considering that with the badge at full power all encounters will be over in a single turn. even the bosses got patched out, the boost is so minuscule now that a few flat "+5/10/whatever ATTACK" items now outclass it.
The extra content they promised turned out to be a shitty minigame that is a mix of patapon and any generic tower defense game.
1b2d2e No.15728832
Metroid Zero Mission is an excellent example of a remake that completely misses the point of the original game.
1b2d2e No.15728838
>>15726350
>Kirby Super Star Ultra
>very much preferable to the original
Tasteless faggot detected. They completely fucked up the controls for no discernible reason for Ultra and they also redrew the sprites in the wholly inferior GBA Kirby style.
82e456 No.15728839
>>15724813
Dragon's Dogma
>kick-ass menu theme
>Berserk armor
>crappy romance mechanics that leads to hilarious results
>combat is a broken yet fun mess
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
>boring menu theme
>no special armor sets
>romance mechanic still sucks but now you "accidentally" won't get MASTERWORKS anymore
>combat is slightly tuned but still a less broken mess
>endgame dungeon added that's pretty fun
Eh, fuem sjfdwajef ofnvie aksjnu
1b2d2e No.15728844
>>15726350
>Mega Man Maverick Hunter X
>very much preferable to the original
Whoa you said something way more tasteless than Super Star Ultra and I missed it at first. Maverick Hunter X looks like shit, controls like shit, and has a lot of musical arrangements that largely miss what was good about the originals.
dc31ba No.15728845
>>15728510
>>15728476
>>15728571
Both games got cucked with inferior framerates and resolutions as well, NGB was 480p 60fps ON THE FUCKING XBOX, NGS1 is 720p 30fps; NG2 is 720p unstable 60fps, NGS2 is 640p with no antialiasing (NG2 has 2x) and unstable 30fps.
6f89ec No.15728848
>>15728839
Dark Arisen is an extended release, not a remake.
339809 No.15728853
>>15728839
The berserk armors were in dark arisen. They were only removed in the ports.
1b2d2e No.15728858
>replacing nice hand-drawn 2D sprites with soulless 3D garbage that not only looks worse but makes it more annoying to intuitively grasp collision zones
>good remake
I seriously hope you don't think this, anon.
fdf347 No.15728860
>>15726350
>Depends on what you qualify as a remaster.
Contgrats, you fell for marketing bullshit and you don't even know it.
7a8d8c No.15729053
>>15728031
Don't be snarky. I meant RUIN the story, theme, spirit and good of the source material in its representation of it.
7a8d8c No.15729065
>>15728798
That sounds horrible, anon, not gonna lie. Glad I skipped it.
>The extra content they promised turned out to be a shitty minigame that is a mix of patapon and any generic tower defense game.
HOW do these people screw up this badly?
>The GBA sprites were replaced with 2.5D shit
Kinda reminds me of Corpse Party's worst sequel.
e45300 No.15729066
Brood War Remastered… WHY?!?!?
a322d0 No.15729075
>>15726908
>P1P casualized the dungeons, removing a lot of the dead ends that made the originals so complex
Really? This is my first time hearing of that.
Now I'm really tempted to try the original. And I mean the real original, not that (((localized))) Black Mark trash.
7a8d8c No.15729078
>>15729075
One of the good things about the PSP remake, honestly.
e2fb63 No.15729561
>>15729075
PSP version of a map versus the PSX version.
820c1b No.15729700
>>15726290
Golden didn’t focus as much on Marie as you’d be led to believe. I’d argue it’s actually worse than that: she’s in the Velvet Room for no reason, her social link is seemingly unimportant and then she’s shoehorned into the plot at the last second in a half-assed attempt to explain more about where the true final boss came from. Her dungeon has great music but is the biggest fucking example of artificial difficulty in a JRPG I’ve ever seen.
45da15 No.15730677
>>15729068
I'm still triggered by this.
57fb33 No.15730822
>>15729078
Because map-making is hard for dipshits apparently.
45da15 No.15730848
>>15726908
So the PS1 version is actually superior if I play the japanese version? What about p2?
db5285 No.15731001
>>15730677
what happened in that cartoon?
45da15 No.15731040
>>15731001
The woman in black offers her virginity to some not-muslim in exchange for a military alliance just because she was too fucking tsundere to reconcile with the guy she loved (which was a fucking soft-spoken limp-wristed cuck all along, only gets slightly better by the end, so he also enabled that)
They do get together by the end as you can see, but whole wars could be averted if they weren't retarded. Which I guess is pretty realistic.
6f89ec No.15731627
>>15729075
Out of curiosity, would it not be possible for someone to compare the scripts between the JP PS1 and PSP versions, find which lines are the same, find the associated lines in the NA PSP version, and then craft a script rip patch out of that for use with the JP PS1 ISO? Seems a way to get around some of the issues, such as the PSP remake's OST (the differences in the amount of tracks causing issues for trying to patch the PS1 music into the PSP version if memory serves).
db5285 No.15731652
>>15731040
well, if they are together and happy, i guess its ok.
a91f43 No.15731966
>>15730822
It's generally not the sort of thing you want to be doing while playing a game, and generally the games that don't do it are due to technical limitations, not by design.
>>15731652
More than anything else it's that the actual scene was in pretty poor taste.
7a8d8c No.15732169
>>15728832
But kung-fu kicks anon
the kung-fu kicks
2bfbe6 No.15732209
I don't know about ruined but the Evolution ports of Trails in the Sky are bad.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=dpjEJD4pcwI
https://invidio.us/watch?v=XlFALXuK2Is
fa6a6a No.15732214
>>15724813
>new villains, one of them sucks and the other is more fitting to be a party member but never is
It's like one of your party members is more fitting to be a villain and yet is playable.
It's like your side isn't inherently the "good guys" or anything, you're just a group of people that happen to share a common goal.
i still havent finished vita ver yet goddamn it's a slog, looking forward to play as a two faced bitch
5479ec No.15732229
>>15731966
>NTR
I bet the Koreans are behind this. They seem to be behind all forms of NTR these days. I even heard Shindol is just some kike living in NY City.
7a8d8c No.15732494
>>15732209
Wow that sucks. Reminds me of how they sapped the color and texture from the Deadly Premonition remake
57fb33 No.15732499
>>15731966
>and generally the games that don't do it are due to technical limitations, not by design.
Working around limitations is a design, it's called human civilization.
ed4fa7 No.15732520
I've mostly just skimmed through the thread but isn't there a company, Beamdog I think, that pozzes all their relreleased crpgs like Planescape and Neverwinter Nights? I'm not really into those so I don't know much about them.
>>15729078
I'm agreeing with this anon, the maps of the PSX version a lot of times just have longer paths to dead ends. By the time Persona 1 gets to its end dungeons in either version I get sick of crawling through them. Consider also that the game heavily encourages multiple playthroughs, I don't want to have to to trek through that shit again.
>>15729075
Fun fact, the real original got an actual PC port. It's untranslated though.
ed4fa7 No.15732523
>>15726320
All Pokémon remakes, maybe barring that new Let's Go crap. Other will argue against this but all the good additions pretty much always outweigh whatever minor issues the remake might have, like lack of a game corner.
ed4fa7 No.15732535
>>15728832
Honestly the original Metroid and Zelda aren't worth playing in the modern day, with their trial and error bullshit. I've played both, but couldn't complete either without a guide. I'm not saying they're bad, but when I have thousands of games at my fingertips I don't want to waste my time trying to navigate those labyrinthine games.
51e812 No.15732692
>>15726320
Couldn't it be said that any remake that allows you to unlock the original (and give you the best of both worlds) be seen as good?
>>15726371
Now what's the story behind this image?
0cd39d No.15732918
>>15725760
>>15725861
>>15725881
>>15725917
>muh portraits
>muh balance
1. The quality of life improvements to Strange Journey Redux make it more enjoyable. You just feel devalued because newcomers won't have to wade through shit like you did.
2. Art is slightly inferior, but a few shading and details isn't objectively a huge deal. Little things, little matter.
3. Every single portable SMT game is ludicrously inferior to the PS2 games. Stop suggesting Strange Journey like the perfect foe to P5, when there's Nocturne and Raidou 2 and Digital Devil Saga. It was just your first game on the babby's first DS.
I don't usually go for consensus cracking, but you idiots don't realize when you're making a mess for others to pick up.
9016e5 No.15732978
>>15725465
Well, the remake's developers (Historia) only credit is Airtone, which is a VR rhythm game. The rest of the stuff they did is either consultancy or organizing meetings for UE4 devs in Japan. At least original devs have some experience with RPG's due of the work with Sword Art Online games, despite issues.
5b57e1 No.15733270
>>15726320
>Halo MCC
<The perfect example of a remake. 60 fps and the option to play with the original graphics and music instead of the new ones.
Other then that ports like MGS and GoW are improvements over the originals in virtually every way
106ebb No.15733868
>>15724868
There are still weebs here anon we're not rightwing reddit yet.
Will excise this game from my wishlist.
7a8d8c No.15738259
>>15733868
Good man, anon. It's not even deserving of a pirate.
7a8d8c No.15746631
>>15728435
Is this the one where it's some big regret theme about slaughtering countless fodder people?
ca26a5 No.15747203
>>15725001
You can stil play the original version with the downsides already listed
6bd2b2 No.15747415
>>15724813
>ITT Post vidya remakes/remasters which RUIN the original
That isn't possible you retard.