/v/ - Video Games

>>15715751

>Why do these people keep making games for nobody and then suffer huge failures?

Because they're not selling a product they're passionate about and for the reason of entertaining people they're selling an ideology and pushing an agenda. Post more Alice and other vidya goth girls faggot

If you're a game dev just target yourself and make a game you would enjoy.

>>15715751

for all the bitching we could do about the supposed quality of the flops, i think the one common thread is that not only did they shoehorn in a bunch of shit to appease some new audience that doesn't buy games but they went out of their way to insult the people who otherwise would have bought the game. battleborn is the best example i can think of; if cliff bazinga hadn't been such a raging faggot about the whole thing i might have honestly tried it out, but i wasn't about to give money to a man who genuinely hates me simply because of what i think

They go by traditional statistics fag.

Marketing to what are generally considered "men's markets" like video games is nowadays done with women in mind because they want women to be their primary audience, because they spend and buy so much more. A woman is a lot less likely to pirate, and a lot more likely to buy into social games and increase the market as an anchor point for other high-spending girls/women to join in.

Another problem is the amount of women themselves increasing in these corporations, but that is tangential. The reason they are being listened to is because of how much money and profit the traditionally women's markets gross, and the overwhelmingly large disparity in them.

The problem with those games you listed is that they went too hard, too fast, and too loud or they went after markets that are too rigid for them to mold to their likeness (most likely a combination of both).

The reason you see pozz these days is because it was gradual. Its been happening since over a decade ago in gaming, you just didn't notice then because it was incremental.

>>15715782

Women like casual "games" like candy crush or sims.

Just keep making and selling those.

Trying to sell hardcore games to women will never work.

>>15715792

>Trying to sell hardcore games to women will never work.

They probably said the same things about gamers not accepting shit like microtransactions, lootboxes, and other bullshit to milk them money.

They won't look at the failures until they are quite literally too numerous to ignore, they are looking at the successes and how fucking grossly successful they are.

They look at shit like

>wow double digit percentages of women play fortnite

which is an F2P multiplayer game that men/teenager dudes/boys would play.

If their games are made for a different genre, why wouldn't they want women to be part of their market? They would unlock half the gaming population and if they could find ways to attract them to it, they will have their golden goose that will protect them from any financial worries ever again.

>>15715751

>If some nobody like me without any financial education can understand that, why stock holders, executives and other big boys with big money can't?

<Too focused on money/profits

<Overspending on marketing/or another shit that doesn't matter

<Try to bet on lowest common denominator(normalfags)

<Appeal to widest audience possible(while certain groups just despise each other or have very specific preferences)

The problem with capitalism is that it merged with cultural marxism to form an unholy union. The big publishers and developers try to "cater to every demographic" and try to be as "diverse, inclusive, and equal" as possible, because offending any particular demographic is an economically bad move now. If a devs starts calling blacks a bunch of niggers, their company's reputation/brand takes a beating by getting negatively labelled "racist". And as a result, less niggers are going to want to play a "racist" game. Much less any leftist cucks who have the kneejerk "boycott this" and "smear the developer" reaction to anything racist. So then currently now, even if it's proven to be a financial disaster to make sjw games (get woke, go broke), companies are still forced to walk on eggshells now in trying to make nonoffensive games to appease the most easily offended group on the planet.

Just recently, everyone knows that Super Smash Bros. Ultimate will sell like hot cakes once it's released. Regardless of whether Nintendo chose to leave in the "racist" native American attack in or not. And yet, Nintendo (a super rich monster of a company) still felt compelled to remove it in fear of their reputations getting dragged through the mud.

This is generally why I hate capitalism now. Once any company gets massives or goes international, it's almost guaranteed to be pozzed with the "please everyone" mindset. And you can bet that inside forces (HR departments) and outside forces (easily offended identity groups) will eventually force it to pump out sjw propaganda games. Whether or not it sells well is an afterthought to these cultural marxist capitalists.

>>15715807

Yes, the same way Final Fantasy 7 or Fallout 2 featured those and still didn't have any political agenda.

>>15715785

I think that Madness Returns being less dark and difficult was just EA trying to make the game more accessible and friendly. It's funny because big corps seem to be under the impression that this kind of move is safe but I think it hurts games both in sales and quality more than it helps almost always.

>>15715751

>Why do these people keep making games for nobody and then suffer huge failures?

>Even feminist and tumblr games can return profit, if you make them right.

Some idiot sees something like a game's playerbase being 80% male. Then they think if they cater to women (by listening to feminist complaints) they can double the popularity or some bullshit by having the game marketed to the other 50% of the general human population.

>>15715830

this

>>15715830

It's a wonder why tampon producers haven't yet managed to tap in to the massive male market.

>>15715844

Because not every male gets gun wounds.

Some people have actually bought into the retarded notion that everything should be aimed at everyone (except it's traditional audience). "Inclusivity" at the cost of excluding those most likely to pay.

>>15715814

The faggots in FF7 were purely for comedic value. The faggots in DO2 are serious characters and not just clowns used to make a joke, right?

>Gone Homo, a game for feminists

>No gameplay, super cheap, filled with fenist agenda

>massive success

Initially, but every port bombed after people realized the journalist praise was just marketing.

>>15715751

That's actually a really good fucking point

>>15715885

>shemale

What? I thought that one character was futa.

>>15715892

>futa

It's the same thing.

>>15715892

>>15715912

Let's not get into this ok?

>>15715885

I think the difference here is that one is japanese perversion (which aligns with /v/) and the other is pure jewish subversion. Western games tend to be very jewish when they feature stuff like homosexuals, in that they can't be comedic or just cool characters but instead focus on the dysfunction and diseased and ugly nature of it or make it blatant marxist propaganda. Like the infamous soyny lesbian scene from whatever that mushroom zombie game is called. Two young women making out, on paper that sounds like it could be something /v/ could enjoy, in reality it's disgusting because it was made by disgusting people. It's not even just about the politics of it but in that it revels in the ugly.

>>15715861

>>15715885

What you guys need to understand is that there is no homossexuality in Japan.

It's seen as a funny foreign stuff and that's why they play so much with it instead of the macho paranoia in the west where you have to be manly and prove your heterosexuality everytime.

>>15715978

>there is no homossexuality in Japan

Japan has huge gay men and lesbian communities. While the yaoi genre isn't approved by gay communities due to it's unrealistic depiction since it's a genre targeted for fujos instead of gay men, yuri mangas are pretty much the representation of real life lesbian artists and are mostly read by women.

>where you have to be manly and prove your heterosexuality everytime

Jap guys fap to trap shit without worrying about their sexuality tbh. I prefer the west.

>If some nobody like me without any financial education can understand that, why stock holders, executives and other big boys with big money can't?

You make the mistake of assuming that finance works on any sort of real-world logic. It doesn't, as much as they would like to pretend it does. Economics is by and large just nigger voodoo dressed up as a science.

Shareholders know nothing about the company they have a share in. They don't need to. All they need to so is the price of stocks either going up or down. The same goes for CEOs.

>>15715926

>>15715978

Also, the nature of japanese society is starkingly different to their western counterpart. Things such as revolution and tribal politics don't really exist there, those are a 18th-19th century western thing. As a result, the gay communities, feminists, and such aren't as vocal, forceful, and absurd as they are in the west. The same applies to conservative/right wing groups. They don't believe in revolution, they believe in maintaining the stability of their society.

>>15716083

> Low risk investments are better for generating revenue, but not for keeping a loyal core of fans ready to spread the word.

I understand that, but I don't understand how the current generic AAA title is a low risk investment.

>>15715751

>Why do these people keep making games for nobody and then suffer huge failures?

Infiltration of feminists, anti-white racists, jews and other leftards that live in their own marxist reality bubble. They become the leaders and influencers of game projects, hence why they turn out so shit and so decoupled from reality and their own former audience.

>>15715885

the difference & what moonman does so well imo is that he includes these things without to any value judgement attached to them, the characters simply exist in that world. western games try to preach to you & tell you what you should think about these characters which just ends up feeling cringy and patronizing all around.

>>15715860

It's becouse marketing people got too deep in math part of marketing. That why we have focus groups and shit, mathematicaly it's best to aim group thats big as possible.

>>15715792

It's funny. They actually have made a mobage with gacha, pvp and grindan for women. They just replaced waifus/boats/waifuboats with clothes.

>>15715807

Bet you're the kind of person who gives Japanese games a pass on that point though hey anon?

>>15716155

Can you really?

>>15715751

>Why do these people keep making games for nobody and then suffer huge failures?

Because they can't get it in their heads that making a thing "for everyone" basically makes it for no-one.

The general audience is not a thing you court directly, the best you can do is court your niche audience and hope they suck more people in.

>>15716159

The only gay I remember is the lezzers. One is being executed and her "wife" runs up to you pleading for you to stop the exectuion. I don't remember the exact quote, but one dialogue option is pretty much "lol get fucked" and she gets pissy. After her wife is executed, you can eat her soul as well for bonus points. I've played a lot of DoS2 and that's all I remember in regards to homos.

>>15716083

>It's always about the money. These shareholders and their analysts don't understand why video games became popular in the first place, nor do they understand why people want them.

For sure but many publishers are fairly apathic to the product itself for good or ill. These people have no idea what the difference between a bad product and a great product is, true, but that can be a good thing in the cases they don't meddle too much. In fact the first Alice game for example was also published by EA and it turned out great. I know of many such cases where the publisher just wants a game get made but the developers they get are militant marxists and ruin the product.

>>15715751

>no political agenda

>still featuring gays, lesbos and such

You're not very bright, are you?

>Even feminist and tumblr games can return profit, if you make them right.

And by "right" you mean shit out non-games with pretentious plots and leftist fapbait.

>>15715751

You're missing the point. Do you know what all of those flops have in common? Not that they "betrayed the core fanbase", which means absolutely nothing as far as sales are concerned, but that they're simply bad games, and bad games tend to sell poorly.

The real redpill is that straight white males are a largely captive audience, and (((suits))) understand that. As long as the gameplay is decent, straight white men will buy it, regardless of the niggers, faggots, (((strong women))) and trannies they shoehorn in to attract those low non-gaming audiences.

>>15715751

now that is a good question. i dont get it, theyre not dumb, they didnt get to where they are by not knowing basic marketing.

>>15715760

even if theyre not selling a project theyre passionate about the kinds of people responsible for these things are experienced and passionate about being happy merchants

>>15716342

if they want the faggot audience they know full well how to make a faggot game and market it to them. consider the whole list he posted.

>>15716365

>consider the whole list he posted

I did, and I clearly and concisely addressed when he's wrong. None of the flops "flopped" because they betrayed the fans, but because they have shit gameplay.

>if they want the faggot audience they know full well how to make a faggot game and market it to them

When we're talking about dev/marketing budgets in the hundreds of millions, they're going to try to cast as wide a net as possible. It would be fiscally irresponsible to do otherwise.

>>15716382

>When we're talking about dev/marketing budgets in the hundreds of millions, they're going to try to cast as wide a net as possible. It would be fiscally irresponsible to do otherwise.

that does seem to be the case.

>>15716396

So why pander to trannies, faggots and those that masturbate to them? Just how large of a market could that possibly be? Faggots and trannies are such a statistically small demographic that you lose more money by pandering to them (and thus angering the far larger percentage of people that are disgusted by the degenerates) than you actually gain.

The only possible reason you'd include them, and niggers (which are bound to annoy the East Asians) is not some objective calculation on how to make money, but to push propaganda.

>>15716403

Also, I forgot to add how the races you include play out in terms of profits. There's a lot more spics and niggers than there are whites, but the buying power of spics and niggers is lower, and they are far more likely to pirate your games. There's a shitload of East Asians though, and they have better buying power than the subhumans, so why don't we see more pandering to them instead of the missing links?

>>15716403

so why are they sabotaging their propaganda?

>>15716403

>So why pander to trannies, faggots and those that masturbate to them?

Because SWM are a captive audience.

>Just how large of a market could that possibly be?

There are more women/shitskins/faggots than SWM, so the answer would be considerable.

>(and thus angering the far larger percentage of people that are disgusted by the degenerates

Now that is the real niche audience. Normalfags (the people who are actually buying these games) don't give a fuck.

>There's a shitload of East Asians though, and they have better buying power than the subhumans, so why don't we see more pandering to them instead of the missing links?

Bugmen aren't interested in most genres, and the ones that they are interested in (grind sims/gookclick), are already heavily pandering to that audience.

>>15715751

Anon, stock holders, executives and other big boys are not geniuses. They're people, with the exact same tendency to fuck up as you and me, with the added handicap of being isolated in a very restrictive social bubble of rich people. They have no fucking idea what any audience is like, and rely on spreadsheets and advisors, which themselves probably only know video games through reading kotaku. They're essentially flying blind at all times and do shit the average peon, who is part of the audience and understands it, would never do. The success=merit meme is just that. Only massive amounts of advertising keeps them afloat. If all vidya relied on word of mouth, AAA would completely sink in a year.

>>15716438

>Because SWM are a captive audience.

That logic never works out. Just because one group is buying your product doesn't mean they will keep doing so if you radically change what that product is about. Just ask DC and Marvel that thought they had a captive audience and managed to chase them all away.

>There are more women/shitskins/faggots than SWM, so the answer would be considerable.

That's an asinine argument to make. Just how many of those creatures are going to be buying your product? The answer, as always, is not many.

>Normalfags (the people who are actually buying these games) don't give a fuck.

Certainly not true for China where not only is this likely to see your game banned, but the audiences not want anything to do with it.

>Bugmen aren't interested in most genres

Neither are women, shitskins or faggots.

>>15716015

Do these yuri manga feature abuse? No lesbian couple is without that.

>>15716457

what do they get out of this?

>>15716496

>That logic never works out

Of course it does.

>Just because one group is buying your product doesn't mean they will keep doing so if you radically change what that product is about

As long as the gameplay is good and consistent with what you had for, they'll keep buying it. No one is going to stop buying it if they keep the same great gameplay and simply pozz up the content a bit.

>Just ask DC and Marvel that thought they had a captive audience and managed to chase them all away.

<Spider-Man: Homecoming

<$175m budget / $880m box office

<Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2

<$200m budget / $863m box office

Heh, I think they'll survive.

>That's an asinine argument to make.

No, ignoring a market that is larger than your core audience would be asinine.

>Certainly not true for China where not only is this likely to see your game banned, but the audiences not want anything to do with it.

Close to 100% of their time is being occupied by grind sims and gookclicks, and none of those games are being banned.

>Neither are women, shitskins or faggots.

That's completely different. Bugmen religiously play their genres, and make up for the lack of variety by putting all of the money they'd be spending on different titles into cash shop purchases and subscriptions. There's enormous cash flow there. Women/shitskins/faggots largely don't play real games (yet), so they're desperately attempting to reach that massive, untapped audience. And don't give me that MUH PHONE GAMES shit, because 0.15% of players account for >50% of revenue, while every single player is required to make a purchase for real games.

>>15715800

>They would unlock half the gaming population and if they could find ways to attract them to it, they will have their golden goose that will protect them from any financial worries ever again.

why do companies sell the same razor in pink for more money? because women will buy the pink one. solid plan.

only problem is video games aren't fucking razors. your whole premise is invalid.

>>15716550

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA01/kidd/thesis/pdf/protocols.pdf

>>15715785

>But you will never make huge and beautiful game on your own.

Huge, maybe not. But any other quality is down to the skills the individual may have. A lot of indie devs do basically go "what would I be interested in playing? let's make that" under the pretty safe assumption that, because they themselves are pretty typical of those who enjoy vidya the game will find an audience with like-minded individuals.

>>15715751

And then you've got cases like what's been plaguing classic-yet-dead RPG series, where the rights holders smell there's still money to be had, but the prior base isn't deemed worth it and thus alienated in comparison to trying their luck with reboots/sequels catering to mobilefags who have likely never had an interest in the earlier games. And unfortunately the development teams and companies for the older games don't generally have a say in shit at that level if they're against it: if they're a team within a self publishing company, fuck you, you're making this if you want to or not, and if it's a third party dev they have to abide by it if they want to keep working with the series. Kind of telling that Breath of Fire 6 (which I consider to have kicked this trend off) died after only like a year, but the list of reanimated zombies keeps growing as companies continue to think this is a good idea, and prior fans are stuck in a catch 22 situation where if it succeeds, they're not going to get anything in the future that doesn't cater to the nufanbase, and if it flops, it's highly unlikely there's going to be a return to form in the future due to the work being shitcanned.

It can go the other way though, look at Monster Hunter World. They took a well established Japanese focused franchise and casualized/Westernized the shit out of it and it not only sold well, it was their biggest success ever. You can radically change a game and it will still sell if marketed correctly.

'You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.'

>>15716693

t. Final Fantasy

>>15715760

I wish I still had the webm of her lewds

it was the greatest thing ever

>>15715814

Recently replayed Fallout 2, the game is full of political agenda. Every single "functioning" settlement had female or nigger leader. Whole scenario is intended to be about saving the unpure noble savages, being tolerant to ghouls, and supermutants, deathclaws. Anti-slavery theme, most supposedly evil characters are white (mostly males) in the game. Only human settlement without a nigger is San Francisco, and the whole city is run by chinks, and the starting village Arroyo. Even Fallout 2 enclave was social justicy, most of their warriors being female (both in Navarro and Oil Rig). In Broken Hills you are not allowed to kill the mutant that murdered a bunch of humans, without turning the whole town hostile, and must frame the humans as bad to finish the quest. Whole game is full of implied racemixing, with nigger males talking to white females, note that in Redding, and New Reno niggers admittedly using prostitutes, even nigger fucking the Bishop daughter have a line (and revisited in New Vegas, of an other nigger fucking a decendant of that girl), also Vault City have forced racemixing program, where dwellers are paired up leadership, which is in the game is a mulato nigress (the only nigger female in the game). And note that when writers want to drive through a social justice narrative, they won't give you any non sjw dialog options, and lame and unnatural chosable dialog lines are.

>I did recently a kill all the niggers run of Fallout 2, the only way to sneak kill is with explosives, and if you kill a nigger the whole town attacks you, even the kids, so you can tell this is a social justice game, since you can kill drug dealers, gang members, etc, without reprecussions but not niggers. Also blown up all mutants in broken hills with quest, and killed all the deathclaws, and all the shi, and all gangs of new reno (exceot Wrights).

tl:dr Fallout 2 sucks, and fully of lefty politics (all fallouts that came after this sucked too, with even more poz)

>>15716735

every single prostitute in the game is white*

>>15716541

>Do these yuri manga feature abuse?

Mostly in some autobiographical works, because why the fuck would you read ugly shit for entertainment. Do het couples enjoy reading muslim husbands abusing their wives?

>No lesbian couple is without that.

It's higher with bisexual women than lesbians.

>>15716735

You forgot to say that the most functioning settlement has an independent black woman leader.

>Fallout 2 sucks

It's still a great game and an improvement over Fallout 2. Political views have nothing to do with the quality of the game or any entertainment medium really, until of recent years probably.

>>15715751

>gone homo

>succesfull

the only succes there was Valkenburguer dick sucking skills, Gone Homo was a free download if memory doesn't fail me and we all know why it was shilled hard by journos

the only good thing to ever come out of gone homo was some anon for sending it to Hot Wheels expecting he of all people would apreciate a walking simulator

>Why do these people keep making games for nobody and then suffer huge failures?

muh borader appeal

these dumbfucks never learned not to chase to many hares at the same time

they think they can keep the fans they allready have and draw in new ones if they keep lowering the bar to the lowest common denominator

see Diablo Immortal for example, they though brand recognition alone was enough to keep their fanboys happy while dumbing down for movile would draw in chink shekkels

same thing happens to movies and comics with all these feminist/SJW friendly reboot of IPs that used to target the male demographic

>>15716778

>Gone Homo was a free download if memory doesn't fail me

Pffffthahahaha

It was $20 anon.

>>15715751

Alice a cute

>no political agenda

>still has gays

You retired?

>>15715812

>If a devs starts calling blacks a bunch of niggers, their company's reputation/brand takes a beating by getting negatively labelled "racist"

yeah right becos being edgy and controvercial has never helped a game to sell like sugar flavored cocaine by pissing off the right people

i just wish a game company (with enough talent to make a competent product of cource) had the iron cast bollocks to go ironically full 1488 tienfoil hat wearing alex jones tier on social media just to be edgy and tirgger the moral outrage brigade, and when they get called out instead of pussying out the quadruple down to such ludicrous extreme that it becomes imposible for anyone to take them seriously allthough in kikes case, no matter what you acuse them off you will often hit the nail on the head

>leftist cucks who have the kneejerk "boycott this" and "smear the developer"

yeah becos that sure has tanked many games in the past, imarait? to this day i've yet to hear the leftard vertion of "get woke go broke" but the boycots and smears of people who never liked vidya to begin with are not nearly as dangerous as the scorn of those who do love vidya

>>15716791

meh, i never paid atention to it, i was fooled by the marketing that was kinda pitching it as a slenderman rip off but a quick youtube video descriving the gameplay (or lack of it) was all i needed

i do remeber there were a lot of people who fell for the gamejourno scores and felt so scammed over it that Steam had to implement the return policy

>>15716806

Steam's return policy was due to Valve getting in trouble with the EU over not having one. It had nothing to do with Gone Home.

And by all accounts, Gone Home was successful. The entire Walking Sim business model is built around the idea that these kind of games can be made with very small dev teams due to the lack of complexity, yet can still find an audience thanks to a combination of people who hate playing vidya with actual challenge to them and the pretentious sort who think these kind of games have more artistic merit to them.

>>15716821

it happened like 3 years ago anon, my memory ain't that sharp about stuff i cared so little about

even >>15716826 corrected me on the origin of steam's return policy, i remeber Gone Homo was mentioned a lot when people talked about the steam return policy but little more

besides, gamejourno scores had nothing to do with pricing

i had a friend who was a fanboy of jumpscare memegames, he pirated gone homo expecting a jumpscare at some point and he felt scammed out of precious 20 minutes of his life that will never come back… at least he didn't pay 20$ for it

>>15715807

There are people who are gay and lesbian. Having some sprinkled inconsequentially throughout a game world just makes it seem more real if you ask me. It reminds us that aberrant human beings and degeneracy exist in this world and helps further cement the idea that the world you are viewing is not a perfect one.

There is a good reason to include people from specific demographics other than pushing an agenda. Not to mention that since you're dealing with fiction, homosexuality can be included free of consequence unlike reality where there are quite real consequences to someone partaking in a homosexual life style.

>>15716860

The thing with Gone Homo is that the game could be completed in less than 2 hours, so people could buy it, play it in it's entirety and then refynd it no problem. It's an argument game journos and others made against the refund policies.

>>15716923

Oh look it's this nigger again.

>>15716921

>There are people who are gay and lesbian.

And we should hang them all

>Why do these people keep making games for nobody and then suffer huge failures?

Because for the first time in their privileged lives, they can feel "victimized." Because, in the world of the shallow executive, a product that doesn't return profit is just as devastating as actual trauma would be for any real person with a soul.

>>15716972

Lesbians are okay when they don't live in a shitty society that inspires them to do shitty absurd stuff. Gay men are shit though, they've done bad things like raping war prisoners, prostituting boys, and spreading AIDS. That Abu Ghraib shit can't be forgiven. I rarely see lesbians raping or prostituting other women.

>>15716998

All a [Insert Prefix Here]vania game needs for people to play it and be successful is a good sense of progression. If the way you play the game at the end is more interesting than the way you play it in the beginning, that's all it takes.

>>15716923

>love interest

wut? i know people fap to hornet but who the fuck is the tumblerine?, the charm collecting slug?

>sexy girl

who? the butterfly ghost at the opera house? that crazy noble that lives east to the city?

>story about black beings erradicating white benevolent force

the story is about a monotheistic deity stupidicing a once advanced society created by a PALE KING AND QUEEN who are then forced to used a chaotic force of primordial darkness from ancient times in orther to stop it

>tranny sales man

again, who? the fly nailsage? the married cartographer couple? the lonely cuck in fungal wastes? the relick collector? the old nail smith?

you're retarded anon

hollow knight even has a not at all subtle jewish banker who scams you of all your shekkels until you shake him up in the whore house

>>15716998

It still retained just enough to appeal to CV fans.

>Sick music

>adventuring through horror tropes in levels with good design

>cool main characters

>somewhat stiff control schemes that are made by design rather than negligence to be honest I suspect the opposite in the metriodvania case since very few characters in them are enjoyable to control, and the backdash is just about the stupidest move I've ever seen in vidya despite looking sick

>still has outlandish elements and lighthearted shit scattered around the place

Look at Lords of Shadow though

>Game takes itself way too seriously

>Music pretty much non existent

>Gabriel Belmont is a fucking tard and his motivations and story for becoming Dracula couldn't be worse

>In Mirror Of Fate's case, level design could very well be one of the worst, if not the worst in level design's case, in any metroidvania and outright being a shit game, and LoS2 being unfinished, being shit to play and having little to no cool locations to go through

Honestly LoS wasn't that bad outside of the not Shadow of the Colossus bosses(those were awful).

>>15716998

castlevania switched from one beloved subgenere of plataforming with a lot of fans to another beloved subgenere of plataforming with a lot of fans

that's why it was a succes.

vesides with a name like CASTLEvania the game was beggin for a huge maze like dungeon

i'd like it more if it was more metroid and less action rpg though

there very few places in SOTN that required movement avilities to reach

>>15717105

RE4 misses the point of the entire RE franchise, but it's such a masterpiece that it really doesn't matter.

>>15716998

>Metroidvania

>casualized

>several times more mechanics and combat situations

>casualized

Huh?

>>15717216

It was easy as fuck.

>>15717045

>LoS

Good point there.

>>15717045

>to be honest I suspect the opposite in the metriodvania case since very few characters in them are enjoyable to control, and the backdash is just about the stupidest move I've ever seen in vidya despite looking sick

I like Juste's ability to dash forward. If the game was done taking that movement in consideration the game could have been sickening fast and enjoyable. That reminds me, I haven't finished the netflix show but I know Sypha and Trevor ends up together, so maybe that will open a path for Juste in the next season or something?

>>15717105

>>15717114

Jesus christ, don't remind me. RE4 destroyed RE franchise. In Castlevania's case, Metroidvanias kept spawning but you still saw a good Classicvania being done here or there The adventure Re-Birth while also improving on SotN formula in the following games literally every game after SotN. RE kept getting stalled as a shitty third person shooter ever since 4 and it literally didn't improve in any way while Code veronica was an improvement on the original trilogy plus REmake being highly praised but they decided to stop doing their classic versions of the game. Jesus. And then there's REVII.

>>15717216

I love metroidvanias, probably my favorite genre, but actual metroidvanias, not the metroid carbon copies. But to say Metroidvanias are more complex than classicvania is retarded.

>>15716954

I don't have too much invested in the issue because I don't particularly care about hollow knight one way or the other. However, I definitely thought the lips in your picture were a beard at first glance.

>>15717105

RE4 is a weird case of having an audience that likes a certain thing, then completely switching it up for no fucking reason and then managing to make such a good game that both the core audience and the mainstream end up liking it. I think Duke3D and MGRR would fall under that same cathegory too.

>>15717007

>Lesbians are okay when they don't live in a shitty society that inspires them to do shitty absurd stuff.

>IT'S SOCIETY'S FAULT THAT I'M A MENTALLY ILL GENETIC DEAD END LIVING A MASTURBATORY LIFESTYLE THAT EVERYONE MUST ACCEPT AS NORMAL

Insane dyke detected. You lot are just as bad as faggots because although you may not go around "raping and prostituting" as you put it you most definitely get a kick out of beating each other like drunk boxers and raping societal and familial foundations like the rest of your degenerate ilk. Dykes are arguably worse than faggots because faggots only give each other aids whereas dykes give your whole society pozloads and get a free pass to do so.

>>15717007

>Lesbians are okay

Lesbians aren't even a thing retard. Women cannot deny cock.

>>15717244

I loved Soma's dash near the end of AoS but it's such a shame it came so late in the game. As for the series, I haven't and to be honest don't have plans to watch the second series. From what clips I managed to watch the animation looks pretty choppy and I can't bother if I'm being honest.

I'd say metroidvanias are more bloated(in a good way, if that makes any sense) and less focused than Classicvanias.

>>15716735

>I did recently a kill all the niggers run of Fallout 2, the only way to sneak kill is with explosives

>and if you kill a nigger the whole town attacks you

Super stimpacks, anon. Super stimpacks.

>>15717259

Women cannot deny sexual pleasure and they are more aesthetically pleasant than men, with less effort at least. That's why straight women are more open to homosexual relationships than straight men.

>>15717267

That's why that kind of abilities are given to you towards the end to make backtracking easier. The game would be even easier with it from the beginning.

And don't get me wrong, I know exactly what's good with metroidvanias. It's a case of the more the better regardless of quality.

>>15717256

>being depressed means getting a kick out of it

>not marrying men is raping societal and familial foundations

>all lesbians beat each other up

>worse than aids

wew

>>15717259

Women evidently deny the cock. No woman marries anyone without good looks, high status, or wealth. Penetrative sex isn't very comfortable or as enjoyable anyway. Only porn addicts like you are obsessed with dicks, homo.

>>15717255

RE games never had any deep gameplay. They have simple puzzles, simple story, and shallow combat.

>>15717649

Demanding and getting the right to adopt children is raping society.

You can depict lesbians any way you want in video games. Usually it's idealized, but it's fantasy. Reality is ugly.

>>15717649

we know your a dyke already

>>15717659

>Demanding and getting the right to adopt children is raping society.

You're generalizing dykes.

>Reality is ugly.

Applies to anything tbh, nothing's perfect.

>>15717216

Did you not think that Sympony of the Night was easier than the NES or SNES Castlevanias? More options and leveling up made it way easier.

>>15715751

The best explanation is to blame stockholder. As much as it disgusts me to admit, Jim Sterling had a point when he pointed that the current AAA model is unsustainable do to its utter commitment to pleasing stockholders.

For the fags who don't know, stocks are essentially tiny percentages of a company or business. When you buy stocks, you invest in that company and get a percentage of profit. (A small percent based on the amount owned.) In addition, because they own a percentage of the company, they have some input in the actual decisions it makes. The main reason people buy stocks however is because the price and value of stocks changes based on the value of the company. A value determined by how well the company is doing financially. Its standard practice to buy into small companies and/or companies with potential and make massive profit when owned stocks increase in value. A speculators market on steroids.

The fuck does this have to do with gaming you may ask? Simple, many of the AAA companies have large portions of their company in the stock market and depend on them to pay for the absolutely bloated budgets for their projects. But as said before, stockholders don't care about success, they care about GROWTH. A stockholder only invests if they feel they can get a profit. That means that each game needs to make more money then the last. Earnings need to increase. So on and so forth.

However, the gaming market has plateaued since the ps3/360 days and few new gamers are entering the scene. The only people in the currently established gamer audience either can't afford the current systems, or refuse until their specific niche is met. Pc has a vast swath of gamers, but piracy represents a risk no investor wants and combating it is more trouble than its worth. (Mind you devs don't care since they know pirates likely wouldn't buy the game anyway and if the game is good, gamers will support it.) So that leaves two options. Find a new audience and add them to the existing fold, or find ways to increase costs for the existing one.

Both options are dumb and don't work. For the former, feminist and other outsider audiences have conflicting tastes with the established audience. You can't have both, but they NEED both. SO they try dirty tactics like inserting feminist and outsider politics into established franchises. In theory, the changes will attract the former and brand will attract the latter. In practice, neither are interested or only one group is which defeats the purpose.

Hence why most AAA gave up with politics outside of a token effort and focused on the later option of milking their established audience dry.

>>15715844

>>15718882

>>15718882

Retarded premise for that larp, first came the destruction of feminine qualities beyond the physical, so of course what is left to focus on is the physical attributes. Materialism is a lot older than marketing.

>>15717641

>>15717255

I did, although to be honest I never thought the Duke Nukem side scrolling games were particularly good examples of the genre. I appreciated that Manhatta Project attempted to go back to the franchise's roots but it wasn't a good execution.

>>15716105

>how the current generic AAA title is a low risk investment.

It isn't,propaganda is almost always made at a loss,but they get funded by (((private sponsors))) and other jews to keep creating it

>>15717641

the same people that get worried about shooting crates to find that it was full of coke cans and has now exploded everywhere. This game has scarred me for life.

>>15719129

>casualization and monetizing schemes are the two biggest threat to games currently

No, they are what will recreate the niche market composed of people who like complex games that used to exist by corralling all the fools into their addictive hamster wheels.

>>15718992

>Kikes think more on short term gain rather then long term sustainability.

dont know about that

>>15719167

>games currently

>currently

Read my post. I have no doubt it will come back around, but from where I am sitting that is a decade or more down the road and has little bearing on my entertainment right now.

>>15719221

Great opportunity to diversify your interests by trying less known genres. Also, considering many groups want to use games as a propaganda platform, I'm happy if games that are popular are soulless cashgrabs empty of narrative, better than the alternative that "games are art" people tried to push.

>>15719364

if they were just kamikaze cash grabbers who cant plan they wouldnt exist

>>15715751

The executives who make these decisions get paid millions regardless of whether or not the company succeeds or fails.

>>15719275

Really? I figured that "games as art" indie devtards have a higher chance at producing something interesting than AAA companies anymore. Progressive messages and writing aside (there is simply no way to avoid it anymore), artsy passion projects from smaller dev companies are more likely to move the medium forward.

>>15716457

I'd love to believe in such things but I can't just force myself to, still a nice principle to live by though. It seems more likely that any industrialized art form (for the lack of a better term) is just shit. Music, films, games, etc. These things were never meant to be made by a large corporate entity, even having a big team is already stretching it. Craft should be personal, and how can it be personal when there are not only thousands of people working on it but also a whole committee dedicated to making a product that will satisfy the majority of people.

>>15718321

>image

>masses know better

Yeah…

I wonder how much media fallout would be generated if someone made a FPS where you customize your own gun-loving American who is going to literally killing left-wing ANTIFA goons who are trying to take your firearms like some kind of horde shooter.

Or a game where you're a white Swede trying to escape a literal Swedistan that's overrun with Jihadist immigrants, complete with hyper-hostile No-Go zones and subtle nods to Sweden's viking roots as something not only positive, but maybe even essential to your survival.

And then, with such an outrage, how many people would try it out simply because the media hates it so much?

>>15720541

Toby can't code his way out of a paper bag either, but at least he kept his scope aligned with that fact.

Similarly, Game Maker is a "bad" engine because it scales terribly, but for something simple like Undertale that doesn't matter.

>>15720103

Adding onto that about the female market: Women inherently have an interest in beautification. It's a female trait among most mammals. Video games appeal to guys because displays of skill are a drive for men, again another common trait across species. The men try to impress the women and the women try to make themselves good enough to be worth impressing. You need to tailor make a video game to appeal to things women like doing.

>>15720806

Yuri is best and anime/manga/japgames without yuri are fucking worthless.

>>15720915

thats a pretty gay thing to say

Yuri, like yaoi, is for people who feel themselves so hopelessly removed from the possibly of having a male-female relationship that they can't identify with it at all and instead seek a hyper-idealistic depiction of masturbation.

>>15721032

good. women are fucking trash and a bother to be around. they are constantly being retarded and annoying like children as if they couldnt just shut the fuck up for a moment and enjoy the silence. fuck women

>>15721057

there is nothing wrong with chronic masturbation unless you are into /x/ broscience shit

>>15721057

Not by itself.

>>15721102

You might as well drink as much soy as you can and have the same result.

>>15721151

>believing the soy broscience too

tell me how soy is harmful, best in accredited studies instead of some online larp from nobody with qualifications to claim these things

>>15721184

Well for one thing, it apparently makes you hate your own race. I'm not claiming to be a professional on the matter, I'm just capable of pattern recognition.

>>15719719

I loved it too, but the game can be pretty mediocre at times.

Platinum developed remake when?

>>15716563

he's talking about the comics, the movies are entirely different.

>>15715761

this

>>15720541

WHY NOT JUST LOGICAL OR THOSE CONDITIONS GOD DAMN

>>15721508

That doesn't work because he's using strings, not separate variables. Really he should be using bitfields and either arrays or enums to change that entire ifelse block into two or three lines of code that also happen to run tens of times faster because they're not doing fucking string comparisons.

>>15719715

The masses aren't that sharp but even they can learn albeit at a very slow pace.

>>15719408

Their weakness is greed. They come up with the most long term intricate plans, but in the end they always bite off more than they can chew and have to start over.

>>15719408

>>15719414

>>15719421

>>15720103

>>15720668

>>15723036

Econfag here.

The core problem with the gaming industry is very simple. So why do you have SJWs taking jobs in established developers and publishers, and moneymen being greedy? Intellectual property lets them get away with all of it. What IP does, is function as a monopoly over franchises. And with every monopoly, you can just nickel and dime everyone forever, and people will complain, but as long as the money's coming in, it's of no relevance. Where else are consumers going to get the latest installments of their favorite franchises? It also encourages hit and run tactics, where games are hyped up only to be massive disappointments on launch.

If you take away IP, you bring back competition to an industry whose success was predicated on being far more competitive than television and Hollywood, surpassing both. After all, how many games were based off of mods? How many games take most of everything they have from past ones, in terms of visuals, gameplay and plot? And if you think everyone's just going to make Mario or Call of Duty games, note that there's a certain point where people get sick of them and want something innovative. There will be devs to cater to that demand.

>>15716921

There are people with down syndrome, too, but I don't want them in my video games.

>It reminds us that aberrant human beings and degeneracy exist in this world and helps further cement the idea that the world you are viewing is not a perfect one.

Leaving aside the object-level question of whether you're right about homosexuals (you mostly are, though in fiction it can be different) you are exactly the kind of person who is fucking up the world. Injecting ugliness into everything because it exists in the world and you don't want anyone to forget about that, ever, even for a short period of time. Fucking kill yourself.

>>15726878

So what you're saying is. The sooner Disney goes belly up (Which they currently are on track to do) and their lobbying for copyright extension laws ends, we win. Am I reading that correctly?

>>15715751

They think that because casuals are a bigger market they should always be the target.

>>15731043

They are really? That's great new's got a source.

>>15715761

Game developers don't enjoy video games. Haven't you been keeping up with the memes?

>>15715785

>But you will never make a huge and beautiful game on your own.

Because people with money don't want to finance games you want to make. They want to finance games that sell what they want. And lately games have been selling their ideologies, microtransactions, or whatever Jewish plot because that is what the venture capitalist, aka money launderes, invest your game to do. This is why kickstarter success stories are scams or pozz. This is why investors and publishers in private traded companies dictate is in your product. You don't make big games because you want to. You do it because that is what you are paid to do. Good games can sell, sure. But marketing and investors are not interested in selling good games because they're interested in selling social justice.

If you want to make games you want then simply cut your connections, because connections cost money, learn to compose, learn to art, learn to program, and make everything by yourself in a small project you have full control over. It will not be big but will be all yours. If you cannot do all these things and you're not already in the industry then you never will be because affirmative action will kick meritocracy out. If you're straight, white, and male with the right skills then the industry has no interest in you unless you castrate yourself and fuck other men.

>>15739630

>CIA nigger response.

>TOR

Fuck it. I'll bite anyway. You can work for yourself and not for the games industry. Video games are a product for luxury. So use your luxury spare time if you have it to make them yourself. Don't expect /v/ to buy games either because /v/ pirates everything. But show you have the aptitude to put together a complete project without connections our crowd funding and you will get a following who may help expand your business.

>>15719188

It's universal truth, dude. Even normalfags who don't want to be anti-semitic say it. "Big business is too focused on short term profits and it's screwing our economy" I hear this sentence all the god damn time from my normalfag relatives. Even normalfags know the kikes are ruining everything, we're just the only ones brave enough to say who it exactly is.

>>15715751

because kikes. here's your answer:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-15/why-are-wall-street-banks-fighting-over-gamers

they don't understand it because they never got games as we do. that's why a dolt like fargo clings on to his bards tale shite, not realizing no one wants to play that shit.

or you have the muttlets and their kike gaming, shoehorning homos and niggers in everything, starting with skyrim and ending with everything else. nothing of value lost.

or you have the suit companies like ea and ubi, pumping massive $ into casual shit focussing on the latest graphics hype so that at least the consoliderps larp it up and you make a buck of those.

or you milk the online fools and micropenisers, with nu-game garbage like fortnite which is the equivalent to ebola and aids in end stadium. kill it with fire.

it's a medium where braindead suits get to make the decisions, and the end result is pokemon in a fallout world with a hefty dose of nwo-aids

it's going to get a lot worse. best to get out now, or at least find a niche where you are safe from the commie invaders

gaming will likely collapse anyway because of that. there will be the full blown nwo propaganda games and their drones, but they will be few and not enough to sustain a business. the masses will reject that shit and go elsewhere

the only survivors will be the suit companies and their audience. games like

https://www.xrel.to/game-nfo/1703334/Shadow-Of-The-Tomb-Raider-CPY.html

et al. a crap of 100 on your hd, if you are so inclined.

i guess i'll be going minesweeper instead

DoS2 had quite a bit of SJWism injected into the game.

The gay paladin for example one cannot be gay and a paladin the two things are mutually exclusive as one is inherently evil.

There was some other fuckery in DoS2 I think regarding Sebille she just puts her needle into your neck with no skill check at all and you have to ask her to let you fight and not be killed.

This was a really bad way to introduce a character. She was quite sweet and had an amazing sex scene though I was surprised how well written that was at least.

>>15731043

>>15726878

You would need to take away IP almost entirely, to the point where someone other than valve could have officially released "half life 3" within a couple of years after half life 2. In this environment valve would have needed to compete with their competitions version or gtfo.

In other games, it also means that when EAWare released their deeply flawed version of Mass Effect 3, some other company could have made the exact same game but better. While fans might argue about canon, it means that a "good" version of ME3 could exist, rather than simply being completely dominated by EA preventing anyone from ever improving on their garbage.

Of course, in a "no IP" world, companies would have to jealously guard their source codes. Anyone attempting to re-create a game would need to do so from scratch, and it's possible that laws would still prevent simply modifying and selling existing code, which I think is reasonable. It's one thing to take someone elses IDEAS and use them as your own, it's completely different to take their work output and claim it yourself.

>>15720103

This video really does sum everything up, doesn't it? Music, movies, books, games, whatever you can think of, this video sums up why they've all gone downhill these days. I share it with every potential normalfag I know, and they all agree. Trust me, anon, there's a lot more people like us out there than you think.

>>15715751

>Undertale, game for furries and tumblrites

>furries and tumblr cliches

Would you elaborate on that?

Aside from indies this won't change. Every company wants both the target audience and the expanded audience. For every 10 fails there's one success and those that do succeed do really fucking well.