0615bc No.15710114
https://archive.fo/KtSuD
The role of the critic isn’t purely that of tastemaker or judge – the critic is a guide, an educator, and an interpreter
202dcb No.15710117
These threads are always shit with the same shit repeated in them
t. person who believes gaimus are art
73039c No.15710118
To some degree, yes, but modern "critics" are both objectively bad at criticizing things and objectively bad people themselves, making them highly unfitting for such roles.
b8f9e9 No.15710150
>>15710114
I'm just gonna post what I do in every "Are games art?" thread.
Games being art is like squares and rectangles. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
All games can be art, but not every game is art. Fuck what all the stupid fucking journos say. They can fuck off a cliff for all I care.
202dcb No.15710197
>>15710150
post upskirts of asuka preferably in that uniform please
6bf5f4 No.15710245
>real criticism
What, "it's shit" isn't?
f27aee No.15710247
34e059 No.15710296
"Why aren't gamers content to play their games and simply enjoy themselves? They have my blessing, not that they care." - Roger Ebert
God Bless
46b219 No.15710301
>>15710118
No. To no degree. This is the same cultural marxist thinking that ruined social sciences.
b4876a No.15710303
It only matters to hipsters pretentious faggots who enjoy "Philippines politics" and "elevating the medium to another level" and can't even play the fucking tutorial of any real game.
All failed in cinema and went to a less competitive medium, but hacks, all of them.
73039c No.15710417
>>15710301
The idea that everyone's opinion is equal no matter how awful it is is the basis for relativism. Ideally, critics should inform people that are less knowledgeable about important things. That's the exact opposite of what is happening with our current piece of shit critics, who support and defend objectively bad practices like DRM, jewish DLC, censorship, false marketing and all around bad game design and gameplay.
e1fc0a No.15710463
>>15710118
>>15710301
>>15710417
>The idea that everyone's opinion is equal no matter how awful it is is the basis for relativism.
They also believe the complete retardation that is Critical Theory. They believe that there's no such thing as objectivity in knowledge, so any suggestion becomes viable if it can spur social change. Clear retardation.
cfaf21 No.15710495
>>15710303
>2nd picture
god what a fucking bore. If you don't want to play videogames get a different fucking hobby you can make money talking about/doing, talentless mongoloid.
030759 No.15710497
>>15710114
>Video games are art Edition.
So is this https://www.deviantart.com/newest/
No one ever argues that it isn't, but it's nothing to aspire to either.
92441b No.15710533
>>15710114
Critics, ideally, help the consumer make a good consumer choice and they used to fill this role well. Internet and peer reviews basically ended the need so the limp wristed ones turned to high art critique to make something to give them relevance and power in a growing industry. Sure, they fucked this role up too and were taken over by sjw nonsense via appeals to their narcissism and perversions. This is why so many are an embarrassment to their position, their society, and humanity at large.
A critic today can only serve as a guide to a single parent who does not play games but wants to buy a good one for their borderline retarded son or daughter to keep them occupied while they drink wine in the next room and regret letting Chad pump and dump them.
769c0c No.15710536
>>15710114
Pseudointellectualism and propaganda.
Funny this bitch is writing about criticism when far less than that makes her whine about "crying make pissbabies".
c775ba No.15710647
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15710308
>Games are art, but that's a consequence of them being an artistic and creatively focused medium.
No, video games are an art in the way that Martial Arts, a chess game, or an expertly crafted piece of pottery. It's a display of technical mastery. The art is expressed in the doing, not in invoking some faggy emotional response that's completely subjective to the whim and mental state of the viewer. It's not a passive medium, like film or music or literature. It's an active medium in which you can only truly appreciate the artistry (or lack thereof) once you've mastered the mechanics. You only get out of it, what you put into it.
That it contains aspects of passive art (again, music, writing, cinematics) is incidental to it's stature as entertainment. To claim that games are art, as most people currently understand "artistry", is to completely miss the forest through the fucking trees.
People don't like to admit that a silly game like sportball is an art form, but even on the same interpretation of what art is in most people's colloquial understanding - I would argue that a well executed play (or a failed gambit) can emotionally move the people viewing the event just as assuredly as some faggot sipping wine is "moved" by splotches of organic paint ejected from a trannies colon onto a photo of Marylin Monroe. One is just considered "baser", while the other (somehow) more "sophisticated" by the culture at large.
71b400 No.15710675
What qualifies them as such? Seems like they barely took their writing classes so what qualifies a journalist to be a guide or educator?
92f4a7 No.15710704
>critics of an entertainment medium desperately trying to validate themselves by huffing their own farts
they'll never admit they're just bad at video games so they huff farts over arthouse trash games
71b400 No.15710717
>>15710704
You know, I’d say more than bad at games they are just lazy and greedy. I’d say a lot of people are bad at games when they start them, I know I’m not the best when I start a new game, but the thing is you can git gud and understand a games strong points and shortcomings after enough time. Journalists today just want to be paid to shill, play it for a couple hours, then pretend they know enough about the game to write a comprehensive article about it.
What’s really jarring is when you watch old Gamespot videos before they blew up. It was a bunch of genuinely nerdy looking white dudes who played the games, got a good grasp on them and what they were going for, informed you of the mechanics, what worked, what didn’t, what was bugged, and how much value the game delivered you for your money, then gave it a score depending on all those things. Now a gamespot review is all about how “badass” the games make them “feel” and how much it emotionally validated them. It’s depressing when you think about it, not to mention how hard it is to get a genuine review from anywhere.
f5b310 No.15710751
John C. Wright adequately explains the 3 types of art criticism.
>The reason why I argue that this is objectively bad, mechanically bad, and not just a plot twist that happens not to please me is this:
>There are three components to any criticism of art. One is to look at the mechanics of the art form, regardless of content. That is an objective matter. The poem either has fourteen rhyming lines or does not; if it is a thirteen line poem, or blank verse, good bad or indifferent, it is not a sonnet. The next component is a judgement call: did the artist achieve the effect he was attempting? Was the audience moved as he was trying to move them? The final is subjective reaction: did I like it? And why did I?
>It is often said in the modern day that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, which, in effect, says there is only one component to criticism: the subjective one. Nonsense. A fair-minded critic could, for example, be no fan of horror movies, or even dislike the whole genre, and still be able to tell John Carpenter’s HALLOWEEN is well-made horror movie and Ed Wood’s PLAN NINE FROM OUTER SPACE is not. More to the point, he could tell that MY FAIR LADY is not a horror movie at all.
b4876a No.15710780
>>15710495
Many of these so-called games journalists come from a liberal background, and they got their degrees in gender studies and the easiest way for them to get a writing job was being a video game journalist
000000 No.15710797
>>15710114
Not if their ideologies are leftist.
Leftists must be killed. Not heard.
a7a65e No.15710897
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>>15710797
Read Thomas Paine you LARPing tor faggot.
>>15710675
Nothing, which is why they're considered a laughing stock by people that play games.
>>15710197
dan souryuu_asuka_langley upskirt
a399bb No.15710906
>>15710647
Are you saying that only eSport games count as art?
c775ba No.15710951
>>15710906
Only esports games? No. But e-sports as well - sure, they're art. Shame the marketers have pretty much demolished the scene and rebuilt it from the ground up to be one giant commercial for the years "hottest" products which are casualized to fuck (lowering the skill ceiling and degrading the art in many cases). The same could be said of Speed-Running, which similarly has been muddled by attention whore trannies
But at their core, without all the superimposed bullshit, there is still an artistry to both of them.
000000 No.15710965
>>15710797
stop with the politics man
we're gonna get banned again
ff80c0 No.15710988
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15710897
Is this the Paine residence?
>>15710303
>That drivel regarding Rock Band 4
795573 No.15710997
>expect honest review where the reviewer tells me whether the game is worth my sheckels
>paid shill (aka the reviewer) is more interested in the sheckels hes getting from the game publishers
>slaps 9/10 to the game or condemns the game because its not pushing his agenda
>the shill now wonders why none trusts journalists and traffic is going down on his page
bede0b No.15711012
Are games art? Yes.
Is it in our best interest to let the art fags get a hold of our favourite passtime? No.
If anyone asks, games aren't art. They're toys for gay children. The real art is hip-hop and soap operas. Wow! Look over there.
c612ac No.15711026
>>15710150
When you divvy up a medium into art and not art then you invariably run into the problem of how to classify which examples of the medium are and are not art.
Far better to declare it all art and divvy it into good and bad. To wit, some games are like a masterful Michelangelo, and some are like a shitty Matisse.
Games are art. Games should not be art haus.
03e978 No.15711027
>>15711012
Now you get it!
903ed2 No.15711035
>>15711012
>If anyone asks, games aren't art. They're toys for gay children
Problem is, much like Comic Books, manchildren who manage to worm their way into the industry are insecure about being considered to make kiddy shit, and end up ruining things for everyone in their efforts to be taken seriously.
bede0b No.15711047
>>15711035
That's why you laugh at them and call them names.
9d4c4e No.15711050
>>15711035
>Problem is, much like Comic Books, manchildren who manage to worm their way into the industry are insecure about being considered to make kiddy shit, and end up ruining things for everyone in their efforts to be taken seriously.
On the flip side, dismissing video games as just toys can give justification for major publishers to try and wring the consumer's wallet through malicious practices, such as microtransactions, because they're just toys for dumb kids who don't know any better.
1ac395 No.15711053
>>15710296
Ebert started this whole fucking thing. I don't fault him, but he brought on the debate of video games as art purely from the perspective of a film critic, with criterium such as muh feels and muh message. Quality game design, map design and pacing were out of the window. The rebuttal to his opinion also did away with any of those vital concepts and focused purely on "video games can do just like movies", which led to walking simulator nonsense and muh experiences we're still struggling with today.
RIP Ebert, but the dude single-handedly fucked video games. Bloated AAA is the worst issue, but the pretentious walking sim bullshit definitely is in the runners-up.
377009 No.15711093
>>15711026
>some games are like a masterful Michelangelo, and some are like a shitty Matisse.
So Action 52 is Basquiat, and Big Rigs is Pollock.
677697 No.15711097
>>15710114
"I couldn't get a real job trying to steer public perception so I'll try to turn my job into that instead."
Betas deserve the rope.
86ed9c No.15711121
>>15711026
Spoken like a true gamer, my friend.
c612ac No.15711133
>>15711093
In essence, yes. Direct parallels need not be drawn; the quality of a work speaks for itself to the consumer.
Opinions on the quality of a given piece will always be subjective, and thus a given piece will always have its fans and detractors, but overall good art and bad art should be easy enough to label.
Of course, standards of overall quality should always be enforced, lest we end up in the same boat as modern art
c775ba No.15711152
>>15711050
> dismissing video games as just toys can give justification for major publishers to try and wring the consumer's wallet through malicious practices, such as microtransactions, because they're just toys for dumb kids who don't know any better.
What? No. If anything, you'd have far more aggressive consumer protective laws put in place in order to "protect" the children. Nobody gave a rats ass about microtransactions until Fortnite became popular with kids - and even that wasn't the most egregious forms of kikery, like lootboxes.
No, you'd probably kill off a lot of the cancer that's currently fucking up games if you refocused the medium back to being a kids toy - but you'd also go back to the old problems of wanting to sterilize violence, sex, drug use, and other such adult content from games like they tried to in the 90's. For the same justification. Think of the children.
Yeah, censorship still happens today - especially with weeb trash since they make easy targets that nobody wants to defend because it doesn't make nearly enough money. But it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be.
06173b No.15711538
>>15711152
>Nobody gave a rats ass about microtransactions until Fortnite became popular with kids
A number of people had problems with microtransactions. They were all brushed aside until the Battlefront 2 fiasco where everyone was pissed off about it and got the governemnt to look into it. It is also the 30 year olds with more money than sense being whales moreso than children: it's just that "think of the children" was used as an argument when the controversy went into full swing.
>you'd probably kill off a lot of the cancer that's currently fucking up games if you refocused the medium back to being a kids toy
Then there would be the problems like with nu-cartoon network where they're inserting gay relationships, diversity is a positive in itself, etc.. Pozzing and lack of standards will still be there. And look at Nintendo and amiibos. You're saying that amiibos won't be so egregious with disk locked content that people won't complain about it like microtransactions. The reason videogames worked so well in the past as a kids toy was because it was a younger audience playing games and the general wider audience wasn't there to be sheep and drive publishers towards quantity and not quality. Shit is better when things have a smaller audience to cater to, hipsters where right when they say "it was better before it got popular".
ad1aa8 No.15711560
>>15711121
>Spoken like a troo gamer
Kill yourself, go back to the youtube comment section and all of that. Fag.
a9530f No.15711597
>Why would you want that other thing goy, that's not art. You want to be sophisticated and intelligent right? Not-art is for the dumb plebs goy, you have to be knowledgeable about art, and since I know the most about art I can tell you everything about it.
>How do I know the most about art? Well I went to (((college))) and got a (((art degree))). Do you have a degree, goy? Thought so. Now let me teach you about art
a7a65e No.15711605
>>15710988
Too bad it's "Payne" in that game.
a9530f No.15711638
>>15711605
Rhetorical question
b062fd No.15711645
>>15711093
Likewise, Doom is da Vinci and Dwarf Fortress is Bosch
2a7b6c No.15711655
>>15710114
>the critic is a guide, an educator, and an interpreter
9c8106 No.15711685
>I read reviews of my favourite TV shows on the A.V. Club and other sites after I’ve watched the show, because I learn things from those writers. It’s part of the digestive process, and I get insight from it. I’ve rarely had reason to read game reviews after playing the game.
>>In theory, with an audience primed to devour and pore over every detail, the back-and-forth conversation we have through games should be richer than other media. It’s not.
Even this retard knows "professional game reviewers" are worthless trash. Maybe if you fuckers weren't all in bed with publishers/devs and did more than just advertise the latest AAA abortion for shekels there would be some better commentary out there outside of autists on forums.
6d89af No.15711691
And yet video games are getting more censored than they ever been. So much for video games being an art form.
301769 No.15711701
>think it's warframe thread
>it's some "wireframe" thread
5fc8e8 No.15711717
>>15710114
Another great thread by OP
0e6be6 No.15711725
>>15710797
>can't support argument
>send death threats against self instead
Get a real job. Professional victimhood is a waste of time.
5984b6 No.15711987
He'd be right if game journos weren't literally paid shills and were actually interested in vidya.
ebd5a8 No.15716324
>>15710303
>2nd pic
Why is this nigger reviewing games? Why is he complaining about reviewing games in a games review? Who employs people like this? How can they get past the interview stage without revealing what a useless strip of skin they are?
490f96 No.15716518
>>15710114
I'm starting to get real sick of these threads.
>game journo says some dumb shit on some obscure website
>make a (1) and done thread on /v/ about it
ed267f No.15718394
>>15710114
i.e. brainwashing
f63b33 No.15718764
>>15710303
>2nd pic
YOU FORGOT THE BEST PART!!!
>All games are stupid, of course
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71ee8a No.15719159
The only person worth listening to in regards to saying anything worthwhile about video games is Matthew Mitosis. And this is coming from somebody who's been planning to make Youtube videos where I talk about video games. I need to fix this chart it's terrible and outdated.
0da789 No.15719440
>are games art?
Terrible question. It should be;
>are games an art?
Though even this is insufficient, it should be:
>Is game development an art?
To answer, we must define art:
>the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
This is overly long and vacuous. A far more accurate definition would be the etymological root
>a skill derived from practice this is why we have "artisans" in all professions
Now, what is game development?
>the process by which a game is made including its visual and audio presentation, storytelling, programming, and game design.
Game development is a collaborative effort across many different art disciplines, fine and otherwise. Game development is an art as much as other "multimedia" disciplines are like tv and movies and theater.
To use an 19th century perspective: games (as in the finished product) are not just an art, but gesamkunstwerk.
9d8487 No.15732013
afd0e8 No.15732055
b3afb4 No.15732105
People just have to overcomplicate. Critiques just need to tell what is bad, what is good and what can be improved. The latter is the most important because if you dont know how to truely improve upon it, you arent doing anything really when you call it good or bad.
b824c0 No.15732120
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a893aa No.15732182
>>15711053
He triggered them really hard and they still can't let go, even after he himself told them to fucking let go.
96dbea No.15732199
>>15710114
>Any narrative medium can produce art.
It's a lot wider than that. Any means of expression can produce art.
The barrier of entry for the definition of art is as low as you can imagine.
96dbea No.15732206
>>15732105
It's better to have educated critics than uneducated ones. There's nothing wrong with raising the standard.
1f6434 No.15732558
Fucking– Alright, here we go again.
Games are a medium. An empty canvas, a blank cassette, an undeveloped reel of film. Some games are works of art. Truly wonderful and emotional, or thrilling and heart-pounding, or incredibly cerebral and intellectually stimulating. What classifies a game as art is as subjective as what belongs in an art gallery, for just as many reasons.
Not all games are art. The same as the Monkees compared to the Beatles, where the Monkees were more or less a shameless corporate cash-grab band, the endless train of EA sports titles and Call of Duty and constant reboots are nothing more than an attempt to shit paint on a digital canvas and call it art. Art has soul and emotion, taking time and effort and passion, and none of these have any of that; the passion bled out of much of the AAA industry a long time ago.
The next time someone says "but ackshually games are art", just tell them that no, games are a medium. Anybody can smear shit or period blood on a canvas, or fill a swimming pool with flaming hot cheetos, but that doesn't make it fucking art. Anybody can cook a steak and potatoes and put it on a plate, but it doesn't make it art. Any indie dev can code a walking simulator and sprinkle in all their favorite political references, but it doesn't mean it's art.
7a74f2 No.15740333
>>15710303
>It only matters to hipsters pretentious faggots who enjoy "Philippines politics"
I guess in this case they really did like it before it was cool, but it won't save them from Duterte's bullet (these faggots are degenerate druggies to a man, they self medicate to deal with being too big of failures to actually get the cushy gig they wanted and instead settled for vidya)
c2101e No.15740400
>>15719159
It's been so long since I've seen this that I thought you died. What is it going tot take to get you to actually make one of these and start? Do you need to fight with your family and be stressed out like Pannenkoek was when he made WFRR in 0.5x A presses? I can try and arrange that.
I want to watch these videos.
d71210 No.15740530
The issue isn't whether games are art or not. It's what you think the purpose of Art is, to encapsulate beauty and/or express the unspeakable, or to be used as a tool of power to shape the minds of people and control the culture. That's the key point to be looked at, what they want to do with it and whether they consider all communication to be a vehicle of power used to shape the world to their ideal.
51bf9b No.15740668
>>15710114
yes, games are art
the problem is that critics do not consider real art as art, the only consider (((degenerate art))) as art
if it's ugly, lacking in effort, lame in execution, needlesly confussing and injected with hamfisted social comentary then it's art
if it's beautyfull, displaying the talent of the artist and funm then it's childish and inmature
critics are not necesary in this industry
what vidya needs are "descriptors" not critics
critics will pull mental gymnastic to justify putting literal bullshit on a pedestal
a descriptor will just descrive the game as they show it
i don't need some pretentious dumbfuck explaining me why i'm an uncultured pleb for not enjoying a 3deep5u walking simulator, what i need is a display of the game's mechanics
any no commentary walktrhough video on youtuve takes less than 10 minutes to let me know if a game is worth getting or not
673956 No.15740718
Contemporary art was a mistake and anyone who wants video games to be tainted by the Jewish garbage that is high art post-1968 should kill themselves immediately.
0b185f No.15740738
>>15710951
>esports is art
Unironically kill yourself, faggot.
c9fb36 No.15740774
Reminder that 'art' comes from the greek word 'tekne': technique.
All about contemporary art being self expression and iconoclasm is just jewish degeneracy.
000000 No.15740859
0cba35 No.15740936
>>15719528
who is this guy?
9d8487 No.15750885
78b1f7 No.15750944
>>15710114
Sure. Games indeed are art. Unfortunately, current year (((art))) is full of pretentious cunts that peddle utter garbage because
>"Lol it's all subjective xDDDD"
The notion that art needs to be somehow "mature" or "deep" is just nonsense fueled by these fuckwads that absolutely NEED people to think that art=deep, as overanalysing their shitshows is the only way anyone can look at a bad kindergarten-tier scribble and somehow claim it's not complete rubbish.
In other words, are games art? Sure. As is every movie or book or song. But art can be good, or it can be bad. Used to be that bad art was described as such and the author was urged to do better. Nowadays, it seems that art is considered sacred, as if it couldn't be bad by definition, and we're getting the result in the form of talentless, unskilled hacks getting worldwide renown for their asinine feces.
b088b4 No.15750947
>>15710497
Deviantart is going to change its layout in the future.
phone niggers need to be gassed
e2534d No.15750998
>>15710497
>tfw your art is DA-tier but you don't know it