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Fire Emblem games are mostly vapid trash. I think you'll have more fun with tactics ogre. Try out Rondo of Swords on the DS as well, and also games like Final Fantasy Tactics.

>>15623044

Stella Glow

>>15623060

oh! actually this reminds me I need to finish Jean D'arc first, half way through it. Not sure why this reminded me of JD….

But after I finish that I want to do Tactics Ogre or FE A…

>>15623109

>The choices in the story deal in how you would solve the problem and whether you believe that the ends do justify the means.

I believe in actual morality, not "the ends justify the means" nonsense. I don't think a game should force you to pick poorly amongst the lesser evils, or w/e. That's unrealistic and dumb. YOu can have complexity without forcing the player down evil paths

>>15623146

It's Ogre*

>>15623139

Then you just go the Chaotic route instead of the Lawful one in the first fork, but by no means it's a bullshit "end justify the means situation" in the game.

KEK

Never played Tactics Ogre(though i plan to at some point) but i can almost assure you that its better; its very well regarded by many anons

Awakening by comparison and in general is disappointing dogshit that is all style and no substance (and no fun either after the beginning)

>>15623044

>Shining Force

Braindead easy gameplay.

>>15623304

>hating on Shining Force

>because its gameplay is too easy

It doesn't need to be an Idea Fuck game for it to be good

>>15623375

The mudslimes deserved it, but last I checked there was plenty of Serb v. Croat genocide/warcrimes.

>>15623160

>ogre can be spelled both ways

If you're a brainlet, sure.

>>15623044

Vandal Hearts 2. You won't regret it.

>>15623160

>I don't really care, ogre can be spelled both ways.

No it can't. Any spellcheck will tell you otherwise.

Anons will shit on it but Awakening has insane replay value

>>15623044

Play a Fire Emblem game that isn't Awakening. Any of the others will do. If you're looking for black/white morality, Fire Emblem Binding Blade is a good choice.

>>15624397

Binding Blade was my least favorite fire emblem game after Fates/Awakening

It was so fucking boring, the story was hot garbage, the characters were overall bland and unimpressive, the maps had numerous problems (unique and fun-looking designs on the surface but fundamental problems with the game mechanics and balance seriously hampered their abilities to be fun), the lack of objective variety certainly didn't help things either

The "Black/white" morality in that game might as well have not been existent because the storytelling is nonexistent. How can you have a true black/white morality when you barely know anything of what's going on for most of the game?

>Zephiel randomly kills or wounds a character

>Zephiel appears to be evil offscreen

>Uh oh, Zephiel is conquering yet again!

The true final villain isn't even an inherently evil one, and the one before that is some sort of strange thing that just hates humanity

Narcian is one of the few villains I would classify as both vile and getting enough screentime to easily classify as black morality, and he was just a high-ranking henchman

>>15623160

>Shining Force: The Sword of Hajya is also worth playing.

You're better off playing the SEGA CD version, Sword of Hajya is just part 2 of that one, and SEGA never published part one for god knows what reason. There's also a 3rd part that's been fan translated, but it doesn't have anything in common with the other two, it's more a prequel for 2

>>15624451

genesis music usually shits on snes music. The snes had shitty sampling overall, its just that the music had to be competent on the genesis or it sounded like niggas having a bowel movement

>>15623109

>LUCT is mechanically complex

compared to stuff like FFT and early Shining force, sure

>>15624451

AI in Lang 2 genesis is also better (so I hear)

OP, Front Mission series is very fun. Only FM2 is kinda "morally grey", but not really

The warlock class in Tactics Ogre LUCT is pretty weak and probably the worst class there is in the game

>Can't use offensive magic like the wizard, valkyrie, ninja and some knight classes can

>Can't use status-inflicting magic like witches can

>Can't use healing magic like clerics/exorcists can

>Can only use magic that amplifies elemental magic attacks of other magic users, which can be useful at times but not enough to warrant a spot on your team since witches can also do that

>Shit defense and shit offense so he's neither a physical tank and damage-dealer like a knight (which is to be expected), nor a physical glass cannon like a ninja. I already mentioned how he has no magical spells for defense or offense (just relatively useless buffs another class that can inflict status ailments in addition to that can also do)

Did a warlock cuck one of the battle programmers or something? I never have seen a non-joke class be so gimped and so shit that it's basically worthless. It's like the game designers just wanted to include the warlock for the sake of completing the roster, but forgot to make it useful.

>>15627559

Original or remake?

Only played original and I couldn't complete the last dungeon. Too grindy. Did you really need to hit up training to close the level gaps every mission? And those stat up cards, was farming them necessary?

>>15627613

Original.

I usually train every 2-3 battles because that's usually how long it takes to for the enemies to gain another level and I make sure I get overlevelled a bit in order to not worry as much about my more fragile witch and ninja units.

About the stat cards, I almost never pick them up unless the enemies are mostly dead or at least the biggest threats on the field are dead and the remaining portion of the enemies are just regular soldiers/amazons. But by that time, most of my units are already closing in on the leader or the last enemy, so I don't bother with it, but I have a feeling that will bite me in the ass later.

>>15627648

I feel like you can get good stats and classes early on by farming random encounters. But I never put the time into it. I always did the training mode trick where you have two unarmed clerics punch each other up to level 50

Also I'd usually make Denim become whatever class just unlocked to try it out and see what it was like, so my army had a bunch of soldiers and really awful multiclassed things going on

>>15624450

Well done, anon, you managed to have shit taste.

FUCKING SRW

>>15628461

So much for an actual argument.

Its pretty fucking shitty, and you have nothing to argue with otherwise from what it looks to me.

>>15628621

I don't care to argue with you, faggot. You have invariably shit taste. Just know that.

>>15628756

>believing someone who can't even be assed to defend a game he cares about

Why should I do this?

Are you some kind of redditor? You can't even state why you think the game is good? Why come to a board about video games if you're not willing to talk about them?

>>15627745

I feel like it really isn't worth it to farm random encounters (other than for money really) because you can get the same experience through a decent amount of training and do so more reliably. DOing that would make the game more tedious than it actually is.

As for Denim, I always wait until the Knight or Berserker classes are unlocked because I'm willing to sacrifice some speed for more defense since most of the time I have 2+ Ninjas and Canopus, so the sacrifice is worth it. Plus, I like the design for the Dragoon and Terror Knight in the original and would be damned if I didn't at least have one of each

>>15628488

How good are the Super Robot Wars games on the whole?

>Grid.

>Endless Tactics Clones.

Play Ogre Battle instead.

Is Telepath Tactics any good?

>>15626527

ya this looks interesting I need to try it

and Stella Glow! ?

Stella Glow good right?

>>15638040

very fun

too much long-winded dialogue scenes (but you can skip them)

and the one I played was pretty easy at the start….not sure how the difficulty goes later on

>>15629307

>are you some kind of redditor

Ebin. I don't need to defend my taste to you, as you have proven your taste is shit and you as an individual are not worth having a discussion with.

>>15623044 (Checked)

>>15623109

What about Knight of Lodis, the sequel to LuCT?

>>15638411

>Knight of Lodis

Wasn't that the prequel which explains why Lans Tartare is a complete cunt?

>>15638272

>I don't need to defend my taste

>you have already proven your taste is shit by disliking and criticizing a game I like

Guess this just proves there's more redditors among the binding blade fanbase than I expected. Thanks for proving absolutely nothing to nobody outside of the game being bland, forgettable, overly drawn out, grossly imbalanced, tedious and trash

Project X Zone

I tried getting into LuCT a few times, but never could get far. The battle system feels just so tedious compared to other TRPGs, or maybe a better way of putting it is that the flow of combat feels off. I also dislike how much grinding was needed to keep up with enemy levels, and the grinding itself being so boring. I think the first time I quit was on a mission where I had to rescue some chick that started off in the opposite corner of the map from my team and she'd keep getting gang-banged before I could get halfway across the map. The first time I was assaulting a castle and I remember there being dragons. Does the gameplay get better later on? Is the story really that good and worth getting into? I love FFT and I really like VH2, but LuCT just feels so… wrong.

>>15623044

As a massive Fire Emblem fan, I'll tell you Awakening is complete trash and not worth playing at all. I haven't played Tactics Ogre, but I'm 100% sure it's better.

>>15626486

What do you compare LUCT to that makes it seem mechanically not complex? Because it was a pretty damn complex game even back on its SNES release.

>>15638779

Sorry you aren't good enough to figure out the Rescue command, anon. I know you're very mad that your taste is being mocked, but it will be okay. Go play other games, like FE7 and 8. They're more to your taste, since they're easie-"more balanced."

>>15638259

I don't know, it looks like weebshit to me.

I played all 3 of the 3ds fire emblems and out of all 3 of them I only managed to enjoy Echoes. Got bored of awakening and couldnt even finish it, I forced myself to play fates but couldnt even finish it, I was so heavily invested in Echoes that I made my army into a batallion of fucking tanks and trampled all over chapter 4. With a bit of difficulty still remaining

I didn't even just enjoy it, its now one of my top 5 games on the 3ds.

In Echoes theres no waifushit, no fucktarded story, no bloat mechanics, no localization fuckery, but there is DLC but you can just get the .cia files for them anyways if you have cfw on your 3ds.

>>15639655

Echoes is a remake of an older title, though, so don't expect more of it. unless they're more remakes.

>>15639322

Looks like you listened to some hipster faggot and played the snes version, there's your problem. Play PSP version instead.

>>15639424

You retard. I said "imbalanced' in the context of it being too easy because magic steamrolls fucking everything you dumbfuck.

It easily rapes everything, has no weapon weight so no speed penalties, the plentiful statboosters and general growth and stats of mages make them powerful enough to steamroll through the game and its just an overall shitshow, and it has incredible accuracy and is not affected by the weapon triangle.

I steamrolled the game with Lilina, one of the few characters I liked from that shitheap of a game.

>>15640119

>>15639322

The rescue missions are usually pretty bad, you usually need to trick the AI by sending your birdman buttnaked to entice the enemies to attack him instead of all gangbanging the stupid spear wielding slut and healing her up so the rest of your army can make it and engage them.

This happens both in the SNES and PSP version, suicidal NPCs you HAVE to save are always a pain in the ass, you can just pick to let her get butchered when the mission starts at least so you don't instantly lose if she gets her dumb ass murdered.

>>15623044

Those 2 are both garbage but for different reasons. Fire Emblem is poorly written weeb pandering garbage, and Tactics Ogre is a grinding/micro management sim.

You're gonna be really disappointed after coming off Shining Force 2 which is fantastic. Maybe try Langrisser 2 or something.

>>15623044

It's a really weird hybrid, but I really enjoyed SNES's Bahamut Lagoon. The conceit is each "unit" on your strategy map is actually a party of 4 characters, and attacking an enemy unit brings you to a more standard JRPG combat screen, where each side gets one turn, before kicking you back out to the strategy map. When you start the game, each party has 4 characters of the same "class," but you can mix and match and put any character in any leader's party from the main menu before battle, customizing your units based on what you need that party to do.

Each of your "party" units is also accompanied by an AI-controlled "dragon" unit, which operates similarly, but is just a very powerful single creature, which you can feed and evolve throughout the game into new forms with new powers, abilities, and elemental affinities. Also, units have map abilities they can use depending on class or dragon type on their turn, rather than going into the JRPG fight screen.

I won't ruin the plot, but I will say that even though some enemies are redeemed, and even though some turn out to have a greater purpose to their evil actions, there's still your typical JRPG big bad evil power at the end.

>>15640943

I really liked this game but the NTR near the end got me mad and confused as fuck.

>>15641322

The worst part is there isn't any story decision you can make earlier on to change it. All it does is give you another reason to act like a dick to Yoyo early in game if you know about it beforehand.

>>15623168

I don't like the PSP version because of the screen crunch and awkward controls. The PS2 version is the only version I played through. That said, I sorta am still tempted to get HD remake because it's on a handed.

<<15641264

>OC

nothing original about that ebin cuckchan meme.

>>15641330

To top it off that gay wizard geezer keeps hitting on you. At least it was fun bullying him though.

vandal hearts

>>15641264

Think you're missing an "artist" in there, unless you're just trying to call Urushihara "the greatest pervert alive."

>>15641656

He's both.

>>15641322

>>15641330

It's only NTR if you ever gave a fuck about air-for-brains Princess Thot. Compared to Lukia, Diana or (especially) Jeanne, she is literal trash.

>>15638040

As long as you don't mind playing the same easy game with mild graphical upgrades and the occasional formation mix up over and over and over because you really love mecha and fanservice plots of wildly uneven quality.

>>15640142

>magic steamrolls everything

Yeah, if you play slowly and poorly, but that's the case in every single Fire Emblem game you dumb fuck.

>Lilina is good

You're a casual, it's really clear now. Try to play with even a modicum of speed and you will see that Lilina is a shit tier unit and that you are a noob. I was right all along, you are awful.

>>15642359

The MC still got NTR'd even if the player didn't

>>15641264

>Dies when killed

>Never dies, even when killed…

>Changes classes a minimum of five times per game

>Enemies actually know how not to get killed

>No level skip code. Forced to play levels in order the developers intended

This meme is funnier than it deserves to be.

>>15658128

What are you, retarded?

As soon as you get boots on her (they're available pretty damn early on) she has excellent and moves the same as a paladin, and she's a single fucking unit that can nuke and survive pretty much everything thrown at her; she also has incredible staff powers later on and makes any and every other unit better as a result of being able to warp and rescue them incredible distances. Have 1 or 2 other magic-wielders for utility and healing in the interim between then and it works out fine.

You could effectively put her either alone or with one other unit on any map that would require 2 or more sides being defended and not have to worry about the side she's on. I had no problems with speed as far for almost all of the maps I used her on. For the other units I used, they were mainly mounted characters that could keep up with her and mainly just dealt with shit such as side objectives, rescue-chaining, and general map movement and unclogging and that was all that necessary.

>>15658218

>Joins lv1 with horrible bases at chapter 8

>Needs extreme babying to get up to par and even then she could get speed screwed, needing further babying with speedwings

>not giving the boots to someone who can actually use them for something useful, like a flier

>good

Anon, I love Lilina and I always use her, but she's bad. It's okay to like bad units, but that doesn't make them good. You can make anyone OP in fire emblem if you feed them enough kills.

>>15658928

I don't know the odds of her getting speedscrewed, but mine did not. Her availability is good enough and she gets plenty of opportunities for fed kills without sacrificing much.

>not giving the boots to someone better

Well no shit I could do that, but I liked Lilina and felt like ensuring she could keep up with all my mounted units without having to be rescued too often.

>You can make anyone OP in fire emblem if you feed them enough kills.

Well no shit, there's obviously better units than her, namely the mounted and flying ones, but I consider her to be a fine non-mounted unit.

She's an Est who comes in early on, she's decent and viable enough and after promotion really doesn't have any problems with survivability. She's also permanently a 1-2 range unit who targets what is generally the weakest enemy stat in the game. Magic users always have some sort of value and increase in value and usefulness as you go further on in the game and I felt like she was good for the role of my main magic nuke and boss-killer.

>>15658138

He still ended up comparatively better off, being eternal bros with Bahamut.

While on the other hand, princess ends up forever alone for her bullshit, since the empire citizens butchered the dude as a scapegoat for all the bullshit that went down.

As far as old square shit goes, Oersted was a far worse case of NTR.

>>15659091

I agree with everything you said

>>15659060

Most of what you said is just your opinion based on your personal experience though, which does nothing for judging if a unit is objectively good or not. I'll give you that FE6 has a lot of trash units that are worse than her (Sophia is just a worse Lilina for example), still doesn't make her _good_. It's nearly the same thing going with Amelia in FE8, another big contender for bad unit favoritism which I'm also guilty of

>>15659060

Boots should always go on fliers, anon. Get with it. Lilina is utter garbage, especially on Hard Mode. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that was the difficulty you chose, but that's clearly not the case if Lilina was doubling and consistently surviving enemies.

Niime can do what Lilina can do regarding warp, but with only one staff rank to level as opposed to fucking 5. Saul is also a much better warper because his base staff rank is so good. None of the mages are good at combat, but it isn't like you need a mage or "balanced team" in Fire Emblem (especially GBA) since you can just use Paladins and Fliers to shit all over the game.