458423 No.15595278
http://archive.is/861eL
http://archive.is/zBx1s
>Following outstanding investigative journalism by the likes of Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed, the saga of Principled Technologies’ flawed — and now mostly corrected — competitive testing of the Intel Core i9-9900K CPU has ended with a whimper. Why? I’ll cut right to the chase. When the benchmarking house agreed to test the AMD Ryzen 2700X with all of its 8 cores and 16 threads actually enabled, Intel no longer holds a claim of being “up to 50% faster” than AMD’s gaming flagship. That lead has been slashed to about 15% when averaged out across all games tested.
>And the 9900K will still cost consumers 66% more than its Ryzen competitor. That’s before you buy an adequate cooler for the processor, as the 9900K ships without one in the box.
>Let’s do a quick recap for those of you who missed the drama. Following its New York launch earlier in the week, Intel published a comprehensive set of gaming benchmarks on its Newsroom site (10 days before any embargoed reviewers could dispute the results) from a study it hired third party testing house Principled Technologies to conduct.
>The benchmarks comprised 19 games and included various CPUs like Ryzen Threadripper 2950X, Ryzen 2700X, Intel Core i7-8700K and Intel’s brand new Core i9-9900K. The study allowed Intel to conclude that its $480 CPU was up to 50% faster than AMD’s $299 Ryzen 2700X. Principled Technologies outlined their testing methodology in painstaking detail, which of course allowed the tech press to quickly pick apart several crucial flaws in their testing procedures, rendering the results irrelevant.
>Those issues included, but weren’t remotely limited to:
<Testing all AMD CPU systems with Ryzen Master’s “Game Mode” activated, which is only intended for Threadripper and disables half the CPU cores.
<Using AMD’s stock Wraith cooler for the Ryzen 2700X, but upgrading Intel’s 9900K to a superior Noctua CPU cooler.
<Not enabling an XMP profile for AMD systems, resulting in loose memory timings. XMP was enabled on Intel systems and memory was configured properly.
>Even if you don’t follow the technicalities of CPU testing or enthusiast gaming, you only need to scan that first bullet point to see the glaring issue.
>Intel PR sent along yet another tone-deaf statement to press after Principled Technologies published the revised results:
<“Given the feedback from the tech community, we are pleased that Principled Technologies ran additional tests. They’ve now published these results along with even more detail on the configurations used and the rationale. The results continue to show that the 9th Gen Intel® CoreTM i9-9900K is the world’s best gaming processor. We are thankful for Principled Technologies’ time and transparency throughout this process. We always appreciate feedback from the tech community and are looking forward to comprehensive third party reviews coming out on October 19.”
>The thing is, no one — not even tech press at the launch event — ever disputed that the i9-9900K would be the world’s fastest gaming processor. With reviews always emphasizing a price-to-performance value proposition, the big question was how much faster? Intel of course uses the word “best” and I think that’s up for debate. Will it be the best when thermals are taken into consideration? When the 66% higher price is taken into consideration? When reviewers and consumers evaluate the added cost of a 3rd-party CPU cooler?
458423 No.15595289
forgot to put a tl;dr
basically Intel put an embargo on a lot of reviewers and got a biased source to post their results based on unfair and completely bullshit products in order to advertise their products; people looked into them and revealed the results, fucking them over publicly and now they're damage-controlling.
6e9ef6 No.15595291
I was hesitant to make a thread like this because it wasn't vidya.
Anyways, can't way for 7nm Ryzen 3.
dc43a4 No.15595318
>>15595291
Intel is a bunch of kikes but I would've hesitated to create this thread since these threads almost always bring out the most retarded conjecture-spouting, disinformation spreading posters for some fucking reason
815666 No.15595323
>>15595278
Does seem odd that they'd need to lie considering the 8700k was already better than the 2700x in gaming, and massively better than the 2700x anywhere single threaded performance was concerned, like emulation. It was nice to see tech jesus immediately call them on their jewish tricks though.
aad934 No.15595357
>when you're so desparate for results you disable half the CPU cores of your competitors
I hate this fucking duopoly, you're fucked by one company or the other. AMD generally seems less evil, releasing their tech in a spirit of cooperation, but I'm sure they've done shitty stuff as well.
eea3ca No.15595370
What the mess.
For what possible reason anybody would need to actually use i9 anyway?
815666 No.15595442
>>15595370
Soldered ihs + higher stock clocks over the 9900k will have it be the best gaming cpu, but the price is fucked, and it's not THAT much better (this is why they deliberately gimped the 9700k with no hyperthreading).
eea3ca No.15595462
>>15595442
I see.
>the price is fucked
No shit. It's 4 times more expensive than my PC was.
b3459b No.15595477
>>15595357
There's no comparison, Intel-aviv did some illegal deals with manufacturers years ago (I don't remember the whole thing, but basically they'd refuse to sell AMD which broke some law or another) and that almost bankrupted AMD. They had to pay a fine later but was worth it since it basically killed their competition. I don't recall anything clearly evil done by AMD, unless you count relicensing the Intel instruction set as evil.
f29491 No.15595491
>>15595477
Yeah that picture convinced me to build a PC with a AMD CPU again.
64e3c6 No.15595493
>>15595278
Isn't disabling half of the CPU cores better anyway? Most games aren't taking advantage of 4 already. Cherry picking the handful of games that can use 16 cores (but don't need them since they run perfectly fine already) isn't indicative of real world results.
4a6ca1 No.15595504
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15595278
Intel already used a front puppet to publish their benchmark in the past.
Vid related, some scottish dude talking about it.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=3V8pEsjNa4Q (invidio link)
f29491 No.15595582
>>15595493
Depends what kind of bench marking is done, now a days disabling cores will fuck up performance.
6e9ef6 No.15595629
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Here's an interview with king kike himself damage controlling. Watch out boys, this juden gets sassy! He knows more than you do, goy.
b3459b No.15595652
>>15595493
To be fair they should use the best configuration for each benchmark, or use all cores. So if Intel is better with 4 and AMD with 8 that's what each should use. There's also the other issues like using a cheaper cooler on AMD and fucking with the memory.
I don't think Intel would be stupid to lie like that, maybe the marketing guy told the benchmark guy to give him better numbers and that's what he did. That really looks like someone trying to force the numbers he wants out of the benchmark.
>they run perfectly fine already
That's not an argument that sells new cpus.
815666 No.15595660
>>15595652
>I don't think Intel would be stupid to lie like that
Oh they are. Intel originally backed them up and claimed that the results were consistent with their internal tests.
2e5427 No.15595729
458423 No.15595818
>>15595729
Get fucked CPU goblins
64e3c6 No.15595914
>>15595582
My understanding is that the point of a "game mode" is that they would disable half the cores so that the other half can run hotter and faster. In the majority of games this would lead to better FPS since they are bound by single core performance. Even games that could technically use more than 4 cores end up often not benefiting from it because the main thread involves more than 25% of the work load anyway.
5ab2eb No.15595995
>>15595318
It's because of (((Intel))) shills.
6e9ef6 No.15596002
458423 No.15596012
>>15595914
That "Game Mode" was never intended for non-threadripper CPUs so the way it would interact or work was unknown to begin wtih
Either way the very clear difference in results in the benchmarked games in question speak for themselves
010da0 No.15596020
>>15596002
All the way past her cervix and into her womb :^)
2dfeec No.15596040
c6299b No.15596214
>>15595291
You don't need justification to make a thread for computer parts.
That is directly related to playing vidya.
546729 No.15596459
>>15595278
>15% better
>can only get 15% with an i9 vs AMD's i7 competitor
>almost 70% more expensive
>probably still suffers from Spectre and Meltdown
>mfw
216e09 No.15596562
>>15596050
The thumbnail makes it look like the guy on the left is wearing a blue and white party hat.
546729 No.15596604
>>15596579
>whats the point in optimizing when you can just upgrade lmao?
>Isn't that what being a member of the masterrace is all about XDDDDDDDD
>Who cares how much it costs as long as it gets you the highest fps
bb8d59 No.15605074
>>15595278
This is why you only ever buy AMD. The only downside is how crap their GPUs are on gnu/linux.
815666 No.15607488
>>15605074
>This is why you only ever buy AMD
I would, but I need fast STP, jewtel instruction sets, and proper OGL support for emulation.
013a1d No.15607610
>>15605074
>The only downside is how crap their GPUs are on gnu/linux.
That's definitely not true anymore, now AMD's GPUs (GCN ones) are the best you can get on GNU/Linux, they have very good FOSS drivers + a propietary optional component. Nvidia support is complete ass in comparison.
2d72fd No.15607632
>>15596459
>probably still suffers from Spectre and Meltdown
>>And the 9900K will still cost consumers 66% more than its Ryzen competitor.
It looks like its the warmest cpu yet. I wonder if it can actually function with default fan.
9c6f8c No.15607642
>>15607632
It doesn't even include a default fan.
a105e8 No.15607646
>>15607632
Never forget i9 7980XE (I think), emits 2% as much energy as Sun does, per area. Also 100°C under LN2
16ca26 No.15607651
>>15607646
>Never forget i9 7980XE (I think), emits 2% as much energy as Sun does, per area. Also 100°C under LN2.
What?
16ca26 No.15607660
>>15595278
>Principled Technologies
Ouch, the irony.
b78bc8 No.15607665
By what I understand, AMD is falling behind vs NVIDIA, but are still equal with Intel. I don't pay much attention to computer hardware these days, though.
e9069a No.15607668
>>15607642
I'd be fine with that if it meant a reduction in the price since I always change the default ones, they're trash.
Too bad they never do.
5289af No.15607670
16ca26 No.15607673
>>15607665
>By what I understand, AMD is falling behind vs NVIDIA, but are still equal with Intel.
AMD is ahead of Intel, as in as of right now they have them caught with there pant's down, hence OP's post.
AMD has nothing good in the GPU side. They just keep jumping from new node to new node while Nvidia just releases these enormous brute force dyes on old nodes.
Even though AMD GPU are better engineered they can't compete with the enormous dye sizes Nvidia puts out.
b78bc8 No.15607677
>>15607670
Honestly people oversell hardware these days. The RTX 2080 isn't a whole lot better than the 1080 but it's like $2300 USD.
>B-B-B-BUT IT HAS RAYTRACING!!
<I sure do love having 10 FPS in all of 1 games that support this
I still have an i7 2600k and I only just recently had to overclock it. CPUs aren't even that important for gaming.
>>15607673
Eventually NVIDIA will hit a limit while AMD will continue improving. I've never used an AMD GPU, but it looks like I'm going to eventually because of the fucking price gouging going on with NVIDIA cards lately.
a105e8 No.15607679
>>15607651
What did you expect of a CPU that draws 1000W?
I hate to say it, but Just Google It™, I can't archive the article right now.
16ca26 No.15607702
>>15607677
>I've never used an AMD GPU, but it looks like I'm going to eventually because of the fucking price gouging going on with NVIDIA cards lately.
The price gouging has always been Nvidia's end game. They have fought tooth and nail for the past 10+ to make sure they have the high end locked down.
It's all about mind share. "You want the best? Better go with Nvidia."
Even though the power draw for their GPU's has always been awful. People will correlate "the best" with Nvidia.
They are not so much a monopoly as they are acting like they are the monopoly just because they have had the best high end cards for a long time.
I think Nvidia has definitely jumped the gun with releasing a $2000 high end. 10 years ago high end was $200.
People are going to look to alternatives at this point and won't care about "the best" when the best is $2000 bucks.
06ec73 No.15607713
>>15595278
It's 50 percent better performance! You'll love the 30 percent improvement for 20 percent greater performance in 10 percent of games! 5 percent is a huge leap, goy!
778f6c No.15607721
>>15607632
I guess this picture is relevant again
85d039 No.15607767
>>15607677
>The RTX 2080 isn't a whole lot better than the 1080
Heard this a lot, but when I looked into it it has 40% faster memory access. That's actually a lot more important than any increase in clockspeed or core count, it takes a lot more time to load data into local memory on cores than actual calculations take on the cores when they got the data.
Not that any of that matters since I can't afford one anyway, but I'd certainly not mind having one to develop on, not in the least because I want to see what I can abuse the raytracing module for aside from muh gaytracing.
t. programmer
941097 No.15607780
>>15607702
This.
It's ludicrous how insane the prices are nowadays and I always think back to how it was back when I still upgraded 1 or 2 components every 4 years for a small price.
They'll keep robbing their "fans" (for the lack of a better word), but everyone else will just move on to AMD or someone else who might come along, not to mention stick with properly optimized games.
They're insane if they think they can keep this up, especially when you consider how there have been barely any real graphical improvements over the last few years.
The sole purpose of consoles is running unoptimized AAA trash.
2c0a0d No.15607783
A bit off topic, but what's the cheapest and best processor to use to play FO4 at a consistent 60 FPS? I have no problem with disabling godrays and using some performance increasing mods. Should I go with Intel or AMD?
af1c79 No.15607792
>>15596562
Bibi always parties like its 1947
d5a86e No.15607879
>>15595278
None of it matters if they're not going to be held responsible for their scumbag tactics. Same with Nvidia.
It's good people are calling their shit out, but they'll try it again next time.
9e1a43 No.15607886
>tfw big dicked Ryzen masterrace
35c082 No.15607893
Why would anyone buy an Intel CPU above an i7 or even an i5 or AMD's respective CPUs for videogames? Videogames don't require more power than they did 5 years ago, if graphics card drivers matured instead of releasing yearly cards, we wouldn't need GPU upgrades. My GPU from 2013 is still running more recent games at high settings at 1440p.
5289af No.15607899
>>15607893
What if you play badly coded autist games that are extremely single thread bound
d7b495 No.15607905
>>15595956
>tell her to be quiet
>use a 160 dB device to shut her up
This was always the thing that bothered me the most about this stupid webm.
ecd792 No.15607914
>>15607893
It was meant to be played 5FPS faster that's why…
90b2c0 No.15607922
>>15595493
>Isn't disabling half of the CPU cores better anyway?
No. At least read the article, dipshit.
It's only better for Threadripper.
175587 No.15607979
>>15595477
<Intel-aviv
vs.
>All Mossad Devices
MAKE YOUR CHOICE AND LOSE, FUCKIN GOY
06ec73 No.15608072
>>15607979
How about PowerPC orr ARM?
0b1634 No.15611363
>>15607677
i got the impression the 2000 series got bad reception because of the ridiculous prices
sure they are the fastest cards but im not buying anything from nvidia with the current prices
with the 2070 released this week i was hoping for the price reduction on the 1000 series but at my country the prices havent moved for months
4cc66a No.15611402
>>15608072
>Asians Receiving Money, aka Pajeet
vs
>People Of White Ethnicity Research ISA, made by IBM of Holocaust fame
hidef games on risc when?
6d403c No.15611455
>>15607991
oldfags were so corny it's endearing
584856 No.15611463
>>15607979
>>15608072
Situation in tech in general is fucked because of shitty laws in US, you can't do anything without any of the giants suing you into the ground.
361ec4 No.15613211
fuck off with that arjewe.is, you can't even see the charts there
2dfeec No.15619911
>>15611463
The USA is the only nation in the world where you can copyright programs (maths essentially) and fuck people over with EULAs.
905939 No.15619920
>>15595278
Wow Intel's trying to push false benchmarks? And they've been doing it for a decade? Can you believe AMD would do that? That's absurd AMD would push these fixed benchmarks that put Intel in a bad light.
a59c4d No.15619941
>>15619911
Do you really expect anyone to believe something so mentally retarded? Kill yourself.
1e82c5 No.15622005
>>15595291
AI attempt at a meme, there was a whole thread of those on /cuck9k/ categorize and archive
eefdd0 No.15622586
>>15607893
See >>15607899
I play a lot of single core physics based vidya and will be replacing my 3930k in the next couple of months.
7a2038 No.15628155
>>15595278
Still more reliable than AMD
584856 No.15628220
>>15628155
if you want a housefire, maybe