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Sometimes, I wonder if one of the original N64 sees this crap and quietly shakes his head over it.

>>15588214

>one of the original N64 sees this crap and quietly shakes his head over it.

How does a console shake its head?

Yo this is some autistic shit nigga.

how is this 3 a presses if he jumps constantly

>>15588323

Maybe because half-a presses don't count as presses even though it has press in the name. I don't understand the world of the autistic speedrunner to get their mentality.

>>15588323

>>15588337

Those aren't A-jumps, you can tell by the sounds. They're lunges, performed by pressing B while running. You can try this shit out yourself.

>>15588323

>being this underage that he has never played Mario 64

>>15588428

A third of this board's traffic minimum are dischord faggots or spicfugees from /hisparawhateverthefuck/ who quite literally have never played a game made before the Wii.

>>15588174

He needs to be stopped.

>>15588524

Impossible.

>>15588422

>i like to listen to autists with maximum soyvoice give retarded explanations for why their impossible claim is true

half a press is one of the most retarded memes ever

>>15588346

Thank dog he doesn't make any more games.

>>15588174

Make a commentated video again you damn coward

>>15588174

And here I thought it was going to be another boring weekend.

A u t i s m

>>15588562

>Pannen

>soyvoice

But soyboys are all about false enthusiasm, like gay '90s sitcom characters. Pannen speaks with the calm confidence that only comes from understanding completely that your claim is correct.

>>15588738

>mental gymnastics proving a claim make it correct

>a faggy high pitched voice explaining said mental gymnastics is okay

Tell me, anon, what does your voice sound like? No amount of confidence is going to make it command respect if it sounds like your balls are 90% soy enriched.

>>15588751

Fuck off Henry.

>>15588751

>calmly explaining the nomenclature used for a specific scenario

>mental gymnastics

There are two types of runs. In half of those types, it would require an additional A-Press. In the other half of the types of runs, it would not require an additional A-Press. So when noting the technique individually, and not yet stating what type of run you are using it in (since you can use it in either) it is a Half A-Press. It is an A-Press half the time.

>calm and soothing voice

>faggy

Soyboys and fags stereotypically do that overly enthusiastic voice. Pannen speaks almost like a text to speech program. Not at all like what soyboys do.

>>15588174

>TTC in the thumbnail

Fuck you, you got me excited for the upwarp discovery

>>15588763

Most plausible theory is that it was a rogue gamma ray. I'm waiting for Pannen to figure out the rest of the levels, then turn himself into the Incredible Hulk trying to recreate the upwarp and solve the final A-Press.

>>15588759

E celebs are okay when they become ebin reddit maymays.

>>15588771

It doesn't matter who found out these new strats. It just so happens that this one guy is very frequently the one to first make public new discoveries by the ABC Crew. It's not about the celebrity, it's about the scientific discoveries he is making.

>>15588244

by getting a jap to draw a gijinka of it?

>>15588816

There are three states which cause different sets of actions. Not being pressed causes one set of actions. Pressing the button causes a different set of actions. And holding the button causes a third set of actions.

>nearly 3 years later

>people still pretend to not get the A press thing

>>15588849

Theres nothing to get, its pure retardation.

If he started pressing it in a previous map it still counts, its not 2.5 or 2 A presses, its 3.

I dont give a shit if he started pressing it while the game was off he still pressed A.

>>15588859

What if he holds it during the load so that the jump never happens but it stays held down?

He never pressed it then. Just held it, no A press at all in that situation since the level wasn't even active.

>>15588824

>Not being pressed causes one set of actions

How does not pressing a button cause an action? An idle animation perhaps.

>And holding the button causes a third set of actions.

Why isn't it called an A-hold then? It's not like holding buttons is a new thing that needs to be called "half".

>>15588849

Naw, I get it. An autist wanted to be unique and special so they made up a new word for holding down the A button.

>>15588866

>He never pressed it then.

You didnt read / understand my post.

It doesnt matter if he presses it before the level, during a loading scree or before the game is even turned on.

In the real world, he pressed A down 3 times. How can you be this stupid?

>>15588859

It's an abstraction that serves a purpose when looking at the a presses required for each section separately. Otherwise you would see something like one part requiring 2 a presses and the next part requires 3 and incorrectly conclude you need 5 a presses to do both parts together.

It's a bit like bitching about imaginary numbers.

>>15588770

I'm waiting for him to end up in the awkward situation of explaining to the FBI why he was trying to obtain nuclear material for the purposes of irradiating a Nintendo 64.

>>15588875

>Naw, I get it

You don't.

>>15588889

>>15588892

Yeah I its 2.5 if you consider the section separetly. But the total cannot bet _.5 presses since you cant do that unless you never release A and die holding it down.

So are these guys competing for A presses per section or total?

>>15588906

One, there's no competition, it's a collaboration. What competition could there be? One guy did it, the others could do it by seeing the methods used within the same day. This isn't speedrunning.

Two, total. Hell, they pick what version of the game they're working on based on the total. It's why, despite the A press in Bowser in the Fire Sea being skippable on Wii VC, they still play on Japanese N64, there's an extra A press that they can skip on that one.

>>15588906

I'm assuming total, which would be why it's important to acknowledge half a presses when looking at what they are able to do during individual sections of the game.

>>15588875

>How does not pressing a button cause an action?

Holding down the A button can affect the physics of certain moves, so not holding it is also a state that affects those physics.

>Why isn't it called an A-hold then?

Because the entire purpose is just counting presses of the button. In a full-game run, there are no half-a presses/holds, just normal presses. The term only applies when measuring the presses of a specific section when you enter it with the button already held down. For the single section, it's not a press, but, for the whole run, it's just a previous press continued. To account for this flux, the states of pressed and not pressed are averaged out to a half press.

>>15588906

>So are these guys competing for A presses per section or total?

They aren't competing, they're just trying to "solve" the game in terms of pressing A for as few times as possible. Dividing the game by stars is just an easy way to measure which parts of the game contribute how much to the total number of presses the full game takes.

>>15588917

Ah I just assumed it was like speedrunning autism. Not exactly far fetched assumption.

>>15588927

>>15588923

>In a full-game run, there are no half-a presses/holds

This is pretty much my whole original point.

>>15588877

Achullneese you only pressed it twice going by your standards, since holding it down and not letting go counts as pressing it twice.

>>15588959

Ask people or a group of people what the top 100 games of all time are. I don’t think anyone would put Mario 64 out of the top 100 simply because of how influential it is. Mario 64 is probably older than like half of /v/.

>>15588927

>Holding down the A button can affect the physics of certain moves, so not holding it is also a state that affects those physics.

Isn't that just the default movement regardless of A not being pressed since you're not holding other buttons down either? I mean, do the other not-held buttons count as a "state" individually or collectively in regards to default movement?

>the states of pressed and not pressed are averaged out to a half press

So the holding the A button is counted as 0.5 "A presses" instead of just calling it an A-hold. The actuation of the A button to hold it down is the act of pressing the A button yet the A-hold isn't called an "A press" because the "release" of the A button has been included in the redefinition of the verb "press".

At what point during the release of the A button does the A action cease to be active? For example: some key switches in mechanical keyboards actuate differently. Can we pinpoint down to the smallest measurement just how far the plastic button has to be pushed into the controller before the action is activated? I doubt it's exactly halfway between the top and bottom of the plastic button nor the mechanism the button actuates.

>>15589023

Your game died cuck.

>>15589025

It had a ton of interest upon its kickstarter but took close to five years to ship an unfinished game. By that time, most people forgot it existed. Hell, it launched two weeks before Mario Odyssey, hailed by the masses as the second coming of Jesus, who the fuck approved that one? Nobody's gonna give a shit about your three-years-too-late kickstarter project when faced with that.

>>15589023

do you have the full version to that?

>>15589067

Dischord faggots and spic refugees. This entire site has gotten so much worse since /hisparefugio/ opened.

>>15589067

>what changed

Mods got sloppy banning retarded redditors.

>>15589075

These threads were causing anal anguish before the spic imageboard died and drove them here though.

>discord

Not that I wouldn't believe it considering discord cucks ruined what little quality was left on /tv/ and are currently trying to destroy /k/, but I feel like there's more to it for this board.

sage for meta shit

>>15589091

ROB whined about muh politics, and left.

>>15589096

Was that before or after anti-nintendo sentiment reached its peak?

>3X A PRESSES IN TTC

Hold the fuck up, everything else can wait, I need to see this.

>>15589023

>>15589092

I want to impregnate that smug hatloli.

>>15588761

A run is a run, you can't say its only half

>>15589161

I keep forgetting that he's the only person who uses the description box for its intended purpose.

I wish I was autistic enough to learn about cars and fix them.

>>15588983

Eh, I never really cared for Mario so I doubt it would be on my top 100.

>>15588337

>Maybe because half-a presses don't count as presses even though it has press in the name. I don't understand the world of the autistic speedrunner to get their mentality.

You just explained to us all that you don't understand how an electronic switch works either.

>>15588892

This is the only person in this thread who isn't a fucking retard

>>15588859

the relevant number is the number of a presses in the entire run

there isn't really an isolated half a press, it's an a press spread across two levels, so for record-keeping purposes you count each level as having half an a press

this isn't a hard concept, anyone who doesn't get it is just dumb (and pannen's explanation is needlessly autistic, though it does work)

>>15588761

>it's okay to make up falsehoods as long as its part of your secret autistic language

You can't press the button half a time no matter what mental gymnastics you use to justify it, and by "you" I mean the faggot you got the whole argument for half presses from to begin with since you didn't come up with it. You are just parroting it.

>>15589428

You are more autistic than the person that made up the term because you cannot understand the simple logic involved in the purpose of the term.

>>15588214

Hi drunken leprechaun

>>15589075

EVERYTHING ON EARTH GETS WORSE WHEN SPICS GET INVOLVED. THIS IS THE UNIVERSAL TRUTH.

>>15588174

>goomba #01

here we go

>>15589014

>Isn't that just the default movement regardless of A not being pressed since you're not holding other buttons down either? I mean, do the other not-held buttons count as a "state" individually or collectively in regards to default movement?

Yes all buttons have the same 3 states as the A button, and these states also exist for your keyboard it's pretty standard.

The rest of what you posted is only relevant to mechanical keyboards and controllers because non-mechanical keyboards tend to have those little nubs which always go all the way even with the smallest amount of pressure from the key press.

>>15589101

>>15589091

Nah ROB threads were always ninty shill threads. The last time I saw ROB was when he made a thread shilling ARMS and bragging about fucking some nigress. I think he ultimately left after mark removed namefaggotry. Now he's just blogposting on twitter IIRC

>>15589792

>bragging about fucking some nigress

nani?

>>15589798

Don't have the image on me atm but he said something like "I'm fucking a nigger so that means I'm cucking niggers"

Can't remember for sure

>>15589497

>muh breaking up A presses between segments makes it okay to lie about a hold being half an A press

>>15589730

Digital buttons have two states, not three.

>>15589845

got an archive?

>>15589937

It's a bot, report it as soon as it comes up.

>>15589920

Digital buttons are accounted for in programs where the state of the button being pressed, held down, and not pressed are relevant distinctions to make.

>>15589999

Your quads disappoint me Anon, the guy posts those images in every single thread around the same time.

>>15590010

I see you breaking rules, so I banned you.

>>15590010

I report those posts as soon as I see them, and your quads have nothing of value.

>>15588866

No actually that would still count as an A Press. He's not counting jumps, he's counting A Presses.

>>15588875

>How does not pressing a button cause an action? An idle animation perhaps.

Yes. One set of actions happens when not held. Another set happens when pressed. A third happens when held.

>Why isn't it called an A-hold then? It's not like holding buttons is a new thing that needs to be called "half".

It's not merely holding the button that counts. It's when you can do it with a hold that can be started by another required press in a different segment of the run. If he holds after a required A Press in Level A in order to pass a part in Level B, that would be a Half A Press. If he holds after a required Press in Level B in order to pass a later part of Level B, that would still be one A Press. He could use that hold as many times as needed in Level B and it would still be one A Press. But if something required a whole new press, and then he could continue using the hold of that second press, it would be two presses. Half Presses indicate when a hold from another level is used.

>Naw, I get it. An autist wanted to be unique and special so they made up a new word for holding down the A button.

He didn't make it up and he's not alone. Pannen is just one member of The ABC Crew (The A Button Count Crew).

>>15588877

Yes, in a full game run then the one before the level in question would simply count. But that's because in a full game run we wouldn't be talking about "the level" since all levels are included. This nomenclature only applies when segmented runs are at issue.

>>15589996

>A "zero A press" run would be able to be completed on a controller with no A button.

This is the end goal. But I think Pannen and the rest of the ABC Crew know that it may be unfeasible in a 120 Star run, and merely try to lower the total as far as possible. Though a 0 Star Any Percent run is now possible on Wii Virtual Console.

The 0.5x A Press nomenclature is only relevant when segmented runs are being discussed. Also, a "Zero A-Hold" run is probably trivially easy. I doubt there are any times when you actually need to hold A. Though I could be wrong.

>>15590031

> Though a 0 Star Any Percent run is now possible on Wii Virtual Console.

Where's the any% run

inb4 some /v/irgins start bitching and crying about speedruns.

>>15590285

Never mind. Speed running is cancer now. I forgot how much I wanted to kill these faggot soyboys and trannies.

I do not believe that anyone is legit too stupid to understand the purpose of half-A press notation. It's the same tired old bait to run these threads to the ground with meaningless arguments.

>>15588751

>>mental gymnastics

Dood, you're the one that can't understand out of order exposition

>>15588174

This is fucking stupid and anyone that buys this shit is a fucking moron.

>>15589996

technically it should be a 2/3rds A press according to that diagram but it doesn't really matter, they are labeled as 1/2 for the practical reason of accounting for total A presses.

>>15590301

I fully believe people on the internet are silly, but reading your post made me regret writing anything, because you're totally correct. oh well

>>15590450

I forgot how bad it was.

>>15588562

Suck start a shotgun, Henry.

>>15589920

Technically they have four:

>pressed

>released

>held down

>not held down

>>15589997

Wrong, faggot. Digital buttons have two states, pressed and not pressed. A third state can be simulated when the button is held by the length of the hold. It is 1s and 0s in either case. Only two states. Holding just spams 1s at the system and the system may be programmed to interpret that spam in different ways such as; extending the height of a jump, waiting to complete the press function (such as with Mario 64), or whatever else the developer dreams up. There are still only two states to a digital button. Is the button pressed: true or false?

>>15590604

Input and button states aren't the same thing you dumb faggot. For controls to feel good you want up/pushed/down/released states. While the physical button can only be up or down, logic will depend on the pushed and released states.

>>15590748

Digital buttons still only have two states. Pressed or not pressed. Programming tricks to get around this do not change this.

>>15590734

>d-do i fit in yet?

How does misapplying this meme so badly keep happening? Henry said you can't have half an A press, not that you can't have 0 A presses. How would a 0 A press run btfo his claim that half A presses do not exist?

>>15590811

>isn't impressive

Redditor with his mind on popularity confirmed.

>>15590808

Technically, it does.

ON, OFF, RE, FE.

ON and OFF are self explanatory.

Then, for one single cycle, you have a Rising Edge (RE) when you press it. It's not counted as ON or OFF in that cycle. Next cycle it will count as ON. When you let go, it goes through a Falling Edge for one cycle, and then OFF the next.

This is fairly important based on how the logic of whatever you're programming works. Using Edges is usually far superior and saves you a lot of time.

You can consider this: Mario jumps on a RE. For about a second, while the button A is held, the ascending force applied to him will remain (and disappear if the button is de-pressed or the 1 second time elapses).

Essentially, what these Autism Lords are trying to do isn't a "Zero A Presses" run, but a "Zero A Rising Edges" run, since the inexistence of a RE precludes the inexistance of an ON and a FE states.

Or is it...? See, here's a trick they'll end up using sooner or later. When all is said and done, when they manage to do it with Zero RE, they'll still need a FE for that Scuttlebug Jamboree. That's when the real Autismal fuckery comes in:

>Press Button

>Turn on Console

>let go button when needed.

Now what? Does that count? Is that an A press? He only let go of the button. He "pressed" it when the console was OFF and the game hadn't begun.

You understand what we're getting at?

This is Elder God tier horror shit.

==THE A PRESS FROM BEYOND=

THE PHANTOM INPUT THAT CAME FROM ANOTHER Q-PLANE OF EXISTENCE

>>15590824

>n-no that isn't what I m-meant

That there are three (not four) physical states to a digital button doesn't change that there are only two states as far as the actual mechanism is concerned. That is why they are called digital buttons, they deal in 0 and 1. That is also why analog buttons are thing.

>>15590827

>if I ignore all the times the explanation was BTFO they don't exist

>>15590828

>"I'm stating facts that everyone knows. Look how smart I am!"

Kikebookfag with his mind on attention whoring confirmed.

>>15590829

>Now what? Does that count? Is that an A press?

Yes, because as far as the console is concerned when it is turned on with the button pressed down it is receiving a spam of 1s indicating that the button is being pressed. When the spam ends by the button being released it is programed to respond to the button no longer being held down spamming 1s. This addresses all your made up nonsense above as well. There are only two states to a digital button. You can program the machine to do different things based on the duration of a press, but that doesn't change what the button is sending to the machine. For example a higher jump in Super Mario Bros. is achieved by holding the button down longer while jumping (to a certain point), but the machine is not registering "this is a hold" like it is a different state. It is just registering that during the period it is programmed for increasing the height of the jump the 1s have not stopped. This could have gone on forever with continuous assent if the programmers had wished it. You could know this by the same logic as the digital d-pad which will continuously move in a direction because it is continually getting 1s indicating that the direction is being pressed down.

>>15590831

>if I ignore all the times the explanation was BTFO they don't exist

Fuck off """""""Henry""""""""""

>>15590832

>w-we already know t-that

<meanwhile itt retards argue against that very fact

>>15590847

ebin

<<15590831

Oh I get it, you're the retard that's been shitting up all the retro console threads recently. No more (you)s for you.

>>15590864

>How was the explanation btfo at all

There is no half state to a digital button press. There is no validation for the half press term due to "segmentation of the run" as is the repeated defense.

>somehow counts as multiple presses which is fucking stupid

<brainlet doesn't understand that the way the machine interprets how he pushes the buttons isn't the same as his physical interaction with the buttons

Not much point in arguing with you.

>>15590868

That's like saying that LED lightbulbs are never "on" because they're actually just turning on and off really fast. The stupid pedantic bullshit you're trying to pull doesn't fucking matter, you're not counting the input the fucking machine is reading you're counting the virtualization of player inputs.

Seriously why are you even here when cuckchan exists and you clearly would fit in better there with other retards

short num = 0

while (a == TRUE) {

if (num == 0) {

/* button pressed for first time */

jump();

num++;

} else if (num > 0) {

/* button is being held down */

num++;

}

}

if (num > 0) {

/* The button that was held being released. */

altjump();

num = 0;

}

>>15590891

>you're not counting the input the fucking machine is reading you're counting the virtualization of player inputs.

>>15589978

>bot comes online

>spams the same 4 image Packet in 2 dozen threads

Options include:

>ban and go to each one to spoil each image

or

>ban and delete all posts by IP

I'm completely lost on this, what's the point of playing Super Mario 64 with the minimum amount of A presses? Did I miss something?

>>15590891

Once again you're posting that like it matters, if it were someone playing on a physical controller would that be better for you? It's like a TAS run if that's your problem then argue about that instead of inane semantics about muh computer inputs not counting as button presses and holds. It's stupid and makes it clear that you're just trying to be a contrarian

>>15590902

>what's the point

Autism

>>15590899

If we want to be completely anal the physical button is never half pressed either. These runs call a FULLY DEPRESSED button a half press just because it was held from a previous segment. Instead of gracefully accepting that the contrived nomenclature of the runs was wrong and improving it a video damage controlling and doubling down on the term was released and brainless sycophants championed it for memes.

>>15590903

My problem isn't so much with the retarded term half press as with the cancerous memes surrounding it. The hypocrisy displayed pisses me off. In any thread around here such bullshit damage control would be called out, but in this case you fags are too busy fanboying to scrutinize the entire situation.

>>15588589

Maybe once we're at 0 zero a presses

>>15590963

>commentated video of several day long run

I'll take it.

>>15590961

That the button was pressed in one stage and held into another doesn't make it half a press in that next stage just for the sake of the autist doing the run having one less press. It is one press for each of those stages. When they do a full run then they can subtract the extra presses. There is no such thing as half an A press. They were wrong no matter how much you want to buy into the logic.

>>15590920

What hypocrisy are you referring to or what the fuck fanboying are you seeing? Holy shit it's a simple fucking concept that people understand because they've used input devices before unlike you apparently. Look how the concept applies to other things. Take your mouse for example. And your reply box for example

A click will move your cursor to another spot, very useful if you want to say go back and edit a spelling mistake.

A click and hold can do another action, in this case clicking then holding the click allows you to drag your mouse and highlight text.

A double click (two clicks) on a word highlights that word for you.

See how In the first two examples you only "click" once but the act of holding down the click produces two different actions? I really don't understand what you don't get about this. It's such a simple concept and it's like you're being retarded on purpose.

>>15590972

The "half" press is merely a point of talking about singular stages. Obviously there are no "half" presses but you see humans have the ability to understand concepts and the half press is a conceptual one to make it easier to talk about SINGLE stages within an entire run

Will wait for the 2,5 A presses version, preferably with alternate Universes

>>15590972

You're arguing against yourself now.

Is one press the full thing, from the press to the release? If so, half of that, the press and the hold that happened in the first stage, could be classified as half an A press.

Or is it just when the player presses it? Because if that's true, then it should only be counted in the first stage. The button was not pressed in the second stage.

>>15590992

If they are focused on single stage outside the context of the run, they shouldn't be able to do shit outside of the stage. Therefore the "half a press" should not be allowed.

>>15591008

You're misinterpreting, the half A press notation is used when examining single segments of the run, typically single stars. What happens outside of that segment still happens, but for the purpose of the video, any star done in 0.5 A presses begins from a state in which the A button is already pressed down, held from a previous segment. It doesn't add any A presses to the run, but cannot be completed without a preexisting A press.

>>15591008

But no one ever said that. They are very clearly not focusing on single stages. Hell, in the video in the fucking OP, they used another stage to place a HOLP to use in this stage, a common strategy across the whole run.

The whole point is not to make segments. The final goal is a full run. The problem is improving a full game run is near impossible once it's been made, and it would be days long. It's a matter of convenience to break them up, but not the final goal whatsover.

>>15591008

They are merely showing stuff that happens earlier in the run. He does this shit earlier and still counts all the A presses. Do you understand the concept that he presses A outside of the stage then just holds it through the loading screen into the level and keeps it held until it achieves it's desired effect? Why would it count as a brand new press if it's just a hold through the loading screen?

>>15591002

>You're arguing against yourself now.

No I am not.

>Is one press the full thing, from the press to the release?

Sure is.

>If so, half of that, the press and the hold that happened in the first stage, could be classified as half an A press.

No, it is a press. You have the initial press and hold and going into the next stage with the hold a press. The button is being pressed in both cases and doesn't have to be released and repressed in order to be pressed again. Holding the button is pressing it. The whole argument that "it isn't being pressed down a whole seperate time so it isn't a press" is nothing but semantics to benefit the criteria of the attempt to get the least presses possible. Getting the benefit of the A press release action without having another press counted against a segment.

It is basically cheating. Saying that there are less A presses in one segment because you held it from another at the beginning. So you can separate the segments as far as count goes while still getting the benefit of actions of a previous segment.

It is having your cake and eating it too.

>>15591027

Like seriously do you understand that in a full run he would have pressed the button earlier and just have had it held down since the initial press? Please just answer this question because you seem to not get that in a full run he would have pressed the button earlier and simply held it down until this point?

>>15591027

So if the autists at the ABC manage to get it down to a single A press for all 120 stars with that single held down A, would you still call that 120 A presses?

>>15591036

Let me add this before you try to argue. YES it does count as 1 A press but when you are looking at a single level within the entire run you consider it a half press for ease of discussion

>>15591027

>Getting the benefit of the A press release action without having another press counted against a segment.

What? It's literally the opposite, you fucking nigger. The whole point is that releasing a button would have a lot of benefit, and they're trying to not use that if it's not necessary. Using only a held press is an improvement over performing a whole new press. The button was never fucking released. That's why 0.5 presses is an improvement over 1.

This also means that Pannen could show the moment from when the button was actually pressed at the beginning of the video, count it as one full press and then you'd have no argument. However, it's much simpler for someone to follow along with one particular stage, as a decent chunk of people have played Mario 64 (won't say everyone, with all the cuckchanners in this thread), but it's easier to understand "this star in this stage" than "Segment 13: this star in stage 9, then this star in stage 6, then this star in stage 4"

Can Mario jump twice with a single A press?

>>15591048

I don't think so, not without storing speed in a pedro spot or something, but that's not really a jump, and you don't need to hold A for that, I don't think, so it wouldn't be twice in one press.

What you basically mean is, since typically a jump only happens upon pressing, another would have to be from holding it. There are a few actions you can do with just a hold, mainly swimming slowly, twirling while spinning, slowly falling with the wind cap and little kicks if you press B while falling with no/little forward momentum.

>>15591036

>i can't read

>>15591037

>i can't read 2: electric boogaloo

>>15591076

You seriously don't seem to understand the concept which is why I'm asking you plainly if you understand the concept of continuity. How many clicks does it take to highlight a sentence anon? Is 2 because somehow my actions earlier don't count?

>>15591027

Imagine this situation:

Mario is running to get a star, in this level he needed to press the A button 5 times. Then, to get the next star, Aussie anon didn't let go the A button but kept pressed and on the next star, because Aussie Anon is a smart Aussie, he needed to press the A button more 3 times. So the total A presses are 5+3=8 if he let go the button between levels he would press A button one more time so it would be 9 presses… Anon just saved 0,1s not pressing the button again! This is the whole point.

USELESS

But aussie anon has a point indeed.

>>15591087

One click plus some wrist movement

>>15591076

I understand your basic point: this is a segmented run, so even if held before, we should consider it as only being pressed upon the start of the stage, in other words, a full press.

But then this would not be reflected in the full game run, the count would be much higher than that. The issue is that these are all segments of the full run, whereas you seem to think the segments have nothing to do with the full run.

>>15591100

Where's the first full click when you highlight a sentence?

>>15591117

Yeah it's a single click

>>15588174

I swear this fucker is gonna invent quantum jumping or some other bullshit by applying his mario64 theories irl.

>>15590630

He's not actually all about ABC runs. He makes all sorts of discoveries about the game. He just loves the game and wants to know all the ins and outs of it. The ABC run is just one extra challenge that happens to somewhat correlate with his overall knowledge of the game. To be sure, though, he does have many videos of discoveries that are not directly related to the ABC run. Frankly, I think his second best video, behind Watch for Rolling Rocks in 0.5x A Presses, is one that has nothing to do with A Presses. Embed related.

>>15590829

That would still count as an A Press. Ideally they will find a way to collect Watch for Rolling Rocks in 0.5x fewer A Presses than they do now, and that video will become outdated. But so far they have not devised a strat that will allow that. What you describe would essentially be a 0.5x A Press full game run, but that's not what the notation is actually for. They still pressed the button. They're not playing semantics here, though plenty of idiots online think they are.

>>15590902

Pannen has literal autism. His other hobby is collecting mechanical pencils and he gives them (mostly feminine) names and personalities. To this day he is too butthurt to ever do another commentated videos because the memes hurt him too much, and he only made that one video everyone memes about because of extreme depression that made him forsake everything else in life to lock himself away for a week straight and focus on his "work."

>>15591161

the phenomena quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement have already been discovered.

>entangle particle A to particle B

>bounce particle A on a barrier until it tunnels through it

>particle B looks like it's bouncing on nothing until it keeps going past where it was bouncing

maybe this is how dotateabag managed to get so high in TTC. his mario was entangled to something that passed a barrier and his mario just shot straight up. :^)

Childhood is making fun of henry, growing up is realizing that Henry was a chad all along. He's been incessantly pummeled and made fun of by countless people, but he owns it and is able to take the joke. Pannen, on the other hand, went into an autistic crisis meltdown because of the people laughing with him.

>>15591290

Henry can be as confident as he wants. He still got BTFO'd harder than anyone else in history.

>>15591311

At least my brain doesn't suffer floating point precision errors.

>>15591298

>BTFO

How's that? He raised a legitimate concern with the term "Half an A-press" which is extremely autistic. Button presses are binary, either they are pressed or they are not. There is no "half" press.

I like pannen's work and all but is it really necessary to make a thread whenever he posts something?

>>15591377

What if I told you it was only half necessary?

>>15591377

If twenty five year old games can get generals every week with people discussing the same two topics with the same arguments, then we can spare a thread for Pannen once every couple months.

>>15591376

He got BTFO'd with a half hour video explaining in depth just how wrong he is. And you're too dumb to understand even with that much explanation.

>>15591377

It's not every single time. But when we actually eliminate A-Presses, then yes.

>>15591376

>which is extremely autistic

And if you have any hopes of successfully beating Mario 64 in a few A presses as humanly possible you're going to need autism.

>>15590725

Well…it kinda worked.

>>15591403

>muh damage control double down video with a convoluted nonsensical argument

>>15591376

Let's see, on one side we have pannen and his explanation in the rolling rocks video:

>0.5 A presses is the terminology we use for convenience's sake when a star requires an A press in a single segment run, but can leech off of a previous A press in a full run

Meanwhile, the other side:

<REEEEEEEE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HALF AN A PRESS STOP USING WORDS I DO NOT LIKE REEEEEEEEEE

I'm pretty sure it's clear which one of the two is more autistic.

>>15591674

>we used this made up nonsensical term because the word HOLD isn't in our vocabulary

>>15591660

They did, but only on Wii VC.

>>15591677

The word hold is a nonsensical made up term, just like every other word.

>>15591678

The Wii VC run is still behind Japanese N64 run in total A press count, though. If they get that number down and still can't get through BitFS, Wii VC could be the only 0 A-press possibility eventually, though.

I'd prefer seeing a 0 A-press run on actual hardware.

>>15591677

They use the word "hold". The point is that they are counting A-presses. Nobody literally thinks you can half-press a button, and even Pannen doesn't say you can. He says that it is a somewhat tongue-in-cheek term, and used more as a convenience when counting them anyway. It allows you to arrange a run so that 0.5 A press courses are after ones that needed an A press that could be held. Something like 0H for "0 when entered held" would also work, but it's all just nomenclature anyway. The point is that it gets the meaning across to the astute reader, and 0.5 works just fine for that. It's nonsense to get upset about it.

>>15591677

>let's use more words to explain the same thing

Yes, and I could call you "attracted to the same sex" or "heterosexually impaired" or I could just call you a faggot and be done with it.

>>15591686

I'm aware of that and it's quite a shame. I'm sure they can get it down to 0 somehow, it's just unknown how. They'd need entirely new strategies to be discovered for Bowser in the Fire Sea, there's nothing there that you could really work with at the current.

>>15591696

>The point is that they are counting A-presses

Right and so inventing a fraction of an A press because they are incapable of just not fucking counting a hold which isn't pressing the button again is just too difficult. It doesn't matter what holding does or doesn't do. It doesn't matter how they achieved a hold earlier. Presses should ONLY be counted when the button is first pushed in, because that is what it is. The need to describe "hey for this portion we kept holding the button in after it was pressed" is perfectly handled with variations of the word "hold."

>>15591700

>let's make up terms and then when called out on them double down on it, hey no need to worry fans of our run will buy it no problem!

>>15591721

For fucking example of how this .5 A press shit is retarded even in the context of this run, here is a simple analogy: The button is pressed once (1 press) and held and then later released (.5 press) so now it is up to 1.5 presses, but later still the button is pressed again (2.5 presses), and then finally released again (3 presses.) Even though the button was only actually pushed two times we now have a phantom made up extra button press. That is completely retarded.

>>15588589

>Make a commentated video again you damn coward

Faggots like you depress him into not making them. Maybe stfu and he will.

>>15591736

pannenkoek explained it better in the description

in short, a half a-press could either be counted as 1 a-press (if you're doing it on that course alone) or as 0 a-presses (if you're doing it in a whole run, since it can leech off an earlier a-press)

as long as you had to do a course where you pressed the a button prior, then courses with half a-presses don't actually incur anymore presses in the run since you could've just held the button the entire time

since you can either see it as one full a-press or 0 a-presses, the mean of this is .5, or a half a-press

it's autism terminology that only matters to the ABC

>>15588892

This was so close to being perfect, but the flat clipart crossed red circle ruins it

So here's a question for everyone who thinks .5 x A Presses is a dumb term. If you hold down the A button over the course of the entire game, how many times did you press A during the entire game? Then, how many times did you press A during each of the stages? There's a third question I'll need to ask when you're done responding.

>>15591816

Don't bother. The niggers don't understand how electrons flow.

The bottom line will always be a full "press" requires both opening and closing the circuit. Period. If you only do one… it's a "half press".

>>15591823

That's not what a half A press is at all, you clearly have no idea what we're talking about. We're not talking about the physical pressing of a button, we're talking about the Platonic act of pressing A, and all the actions that incurs.

>>15591836

Ah, graphs, I should have done that from the start. Graphs always help solve problems.

Did Pannen really become depressed over memes? Stop the press! He might be repressing something. Maybe doing some bench presses would help him express himself better.

>>15591834

No that's what retarded fucksticks that literally don't understand the physics of what is actually fucking happening want people to think.

You're fucking wrong. I'm technically correct.

THE BEST TYPE OF CORRECT MOTHERFUCKER

>>15591844

So then is this graph correct?

>>15591836

Because if you say yes, then you already understand why .5 x A presses is a necessary term. Because how can you reconcile the fact that sometimes it requires 1 A press but sometimes requires 3? What should be the correct notation? If it's 3, then that ignores the full game, but if it's 1 then it ignores the single segment.

>>15591686

>I'd prefer seeing a 0 A-press run on actual hardware.

i thought TAS requires being on emulator

>>15591917

One of the TASers verifies Pannen's TASes on consoles. Embed related is an example, he modified the TAS strategy upon discovering exactly what caused crashes on console to make it console-safe. It's possible to play the inputs back to the console through the controller port using a Pi or something similar, it's how they do TASbot on AGDQ as well.

>>15591917

There are ways to put the TAS inputs on an actual console, although given how poorly the N64 runs it's own games I would not be surprised if it doesn't quite work. Interestingly, they've been trying to aim for a console based run, given that they didn't do a Secret Aquarium entry because it crashed the game on console. That having been said, given that the BitFS pole is the only thing between them and an Any%/70 Star run, I'd still like to see the Wii VC run.

>>15591921

I've never really cared about the actual skill of speedrunning so much as finding it fascinating what things you can do to break a game. That's why I personally prefer TAS. High level human play is impressive, but going beyond that is even moreso.

>>15591937

Speedruns are mainly just "do the same shit a thousand times until you get it perfect". TASes are like puzzle solving. Hell, most speedruns take strategies directly from TASers.

>>15591736

That's literally not how it works. It only denotes when you start a level holding the button in order to do stuff in the level before any other presses. If you press and hold afterward within the same level it's just 1 A Press.

>>15591861

>So then is this graph correct?

Yes the graph explains the logic via the segmentation. You can also think of it as the circuitry of an electronic button is a binary operation; one complete press includes both 0 and 1. Therefore one half press would be either just a 0 or a 1.

>>15591917

Nope. AGDQ does a "TASBot" segment that is occasionally pretty good. All that's necessary is that you can give the console frame-perfect input, and at 60hz that's a 0.016 second window, which is pretty easy to hit. You use a modified controller cable attached to a computer (the popular thing these days is a raspberry pi for portability). Essentially, you just need a way to allow a computer to stream the necessary input to the console with high enough timing precision. This is why TAS on console is hard with the NES Classic and SNES Classic, because they've got occasionally fucked up timings in their emulation.

>>15591686

The Wii is actual hardware.

>>15592335

But the VC game is running on an emulator on the Wii. Your PC is "actual hardware" too. You know that I mean running on an N64.

>>15592335

Storing my files on the (((cloud))) is no different from storing them locally because my computer is actual hardware. I bet you actually think this, but the analogy needs to be made for any bystanders to see how dumb you are.

>>15592368

My PC wasn't made by Nintendo, so it's not actual hardware. All of Squaresoft's PS1 ports of SNES games are actual hardware too, even if they were mostly done via emulation. If there was an officially licensed PC port of Mario 64, then running it on the PC would be actual hardware, regardless of the PC's hardware.

>>15592387

So long as we're arguing semantics so much in this thread, I'll point out you're not talking about "actual hardware" at all, but just officially licensed hardware and software.

>>15592387

It is actual hardware. It's just not Nintendo hardware.

It really just depends on what you mean by the terms. I mean "not running on any emulated hardware", meaning that the game's machine code is being executed directly on the system's processor, not run through an emulator (being either a dynamic recompiler or a direct interpreter). Virtual Console is not actual hardware by this definition. They are not ports, but literal roms running on an emulator.

A port (like those Squaresoft ones) are different. They are rewritten and/or recompiled to run directly on the target processor.

Maybe you mean "actual hardware" as "running on any machine made by the original company", but nobody else uses this meaning. They usually mean "running on the machine for which it was compiled".

>>15592498

>Why do fucking Henryfags have such a hard time getting their head around this?

They're trying to post on the internet with 0.5 brains.

>>15589996

>and then there's this a-hold!

>>15592498

Hell, even if they were to use the word "hold" instead of press they would still need a means with which to illustrate that the number of holds needed to do two segments in conjunction with each other is not necessarily the same as the total of the holds needed to do them separately. So it doesn't even solve anything, if anything confuses things more as people become more baffled how you can have half a hold.

More Pannenkoek, related to the OP video. He theorized about making a leap onto the clock hand and then onto the thwomp, bypassing a lot of crap that's necessary now. Involved a lot of hacks to simulate ideal RNG conditions, though, and he didn't quite get it right still, but an interesting theory.

>>15593149

Update, he figured it out.

>>15593526

>Down to 20 A presses

Is that for 100% completion?

>>15593537

Yes, any% is already done on wii virtual console

>>15593537

Yes. 70-star has 1 A press on N64 and 0 on Wii VC. However, Wii VC has certain other A presses that can be avoided on N64, and Pannen stated that there's no reliable way to TAS Wii VC, that's why he's not making a full run yet.

bing

While I'm here it looks like not a single person has mentioned that pannen uses excel for a lot of pathing and optimisation and is one of the key reasons he uses .5 a press notation since putting '2.5' in a cell is a lot cleaner and more efficient than 'Two a presses and also I held the button before entering'. Though really he could have just had an extra column with a 0-1 state for 'entered with button held' or something like that. Since a held a-press needs to leech off of another a press in a different map 'x.5' makes it a lot easier to visual and plan for though.

>>15593554

>easier to visual

Easier to visualise

>>15593554

People need to understand that Pannen does this purely for himself, and not for anyone else. He certainly doesn't do it for fame or glory. He hates the attention, and purposely uses a secondary channel so that only more interested people watch his stuff, even though he knows he could be making significant money from his main channel. He purposely doesn't monetize his second channel, or use the first channel which is monetized, because it takes away from the purity of it all. Once it feels like he's doing it for other people, it kills it for him. He's stated many times that if people keep telling him what to do, he's just going to stop doing ABC stuff all together. He merely posts these videos as instructional courtesy for the few people who are truly interested in learning. But he's not about to change a notation that works for him just because some people in an audience that he already only barely puts up with don't like the particular notation that he is comfortable with.

>>15588759

Still at it, TJ "Henry"?

>>15593554

>'Two a presses and also I held the button before entering'

Considering that the total count doesn't denote A presses plus being held once but the sum of all the times the button is pressed and held down it's not really a good way to do it.

>>15596224

It's uncertain, because Pannen has not yet decided which A presses would be used for 0.5 A presses and such. Basically, there's no real route yet, as far as I know.

>>15598484

so whats happening here… did you just ditch an a-press or what.

>>15598533

He almost did, if you read the description he hacked the game so the RNG on the moving parts is not an issue. He needs to find a way for the hand to go there by itself now.

>>15598549

cant he just wait until it gets there?

>>15598551

In that position he can't do anything but stand perfectly still in order to keep the VS which means no rng manipulation by moving mario, so he basically has no choice but to wait for the thwomp and the hand to algin perfectly, which is going to take a fucking shitload of time to get in game since the hand prefers to always fuck about instead of behave

>>15598558

This. So it's possible, but given the amount of time it would likely take, he hasn't actually done it without cheating yet. Though it's safe to count this as one fewer A Press, executing it would take a very long time. And this is from a guy who has no problem building speed for 12 hours.

Then again, there's that Super Mario 64 DS B-Button (same functions as A-Button on a 64) Count guy who spends 1052 years in order to collect the Red Coins in one level.

>>15600762

>>15600773

I don't remember that level at all.

wtf

>>15600875

The DS version is basically unplayable. The made it so that you have to hold a button to run, instead of analog tilt, and movement is restricted to 8 digital directions, again instead of analog tilt. It's fucking impossible.

>>15600982

I played it on 3ds and that made it far easier. Got used to the running quite quickly, too.

>>15600982

I'm already used to holding the run button in all the 2D Marios. It's not ideal that they changed it, but it's certainly still playable.

>>15601051

>>15601013

I have years of muscle memory fighting against it. Same shit happened with KSS:U, they swapped the inhale and jump buttons from what the SNES version had, and even against Marx and the True Arena, I was still making mistakes

>>15601082

Yes, but releasing the button does nothing, so it's not counted. He explains this in the video.

>>15588174

what i dont understand after all of this is who is TJ henry yoshi? was it some guy he randomly picked out of the comments?

>>15601082

"released" does nothing useful, so it's ignored.

>>15601151

>He hasn't watched the original video

>>15601151

>was it some guy he randomly picked out of the comments?

yes

>>15601151

He's the best writer among the idiots who don't understand 0.5x notation. He wrote their argument the most succinctly of any of them. Therefore, he became the target of the harshest internet beatdown in history.

>>15601099 (Checked)

>>15601165

Oh thank Christ, I was worried there for a moment.

>>15601151

Pretty much, if you take a look at his youtbube channel you can tell he's one of the millions of people out there who tried to become a LPer with little success. Sad thing is even with his meme status his videos don't get much attention.

>>15601197

too bad he isn't doing a meme run of mario 64 like your hero

>>15601314

I didn't say he is doing it for the memes, I said it is a meme run, because that is all it is. Trying to do Mario 64 with the least amount of A presses possible can't be anything else.

>>15601341

Are speedruns also meme runs? This is no more arbitrary than those. He also has videos on runs regarding all the other buttons, but they are relatively trivial, except for No Joystick Allowed, which is far more difficult than an A-Button run, but there are still some stars you can do with it.

>>15601341

Are Zelda Swordless and 3 Heart also meme runs? If not, then where do you draw the line? All it is is a self-imposed challenge. What about certain party setups in Final Fantasy, or certain builds in Dark Souls? Nuzlockes in Pokemon? That last one in particular, actually. Memes are things that spread virally amongst people, right, and gain in popularity? Nuzlockes would be more memetic in that case, since every fucking asshole and their mother is doing them, whereas this is ten guys at most, and only one of them has any prominence.

>>15601294

Funny you say that because he did upload a stream of himself doing a Mario 64 speedrun, trying to embrace the meme he became somewhat.

>>15601357

>Are speedruns also meme runs?

In a way yes.

>>15601391

Those can be done completely unassisted and are a challenge to the player. That makes them a bit more redeemable than "look guise I'm trying to play without this part of the controller."

>>15601427

Personally I find the interesting part of speedruns to be the different strategies they come up with, not the tens of thousands of times they have to repeat them in order to get the muscle memory and luck required to get a good time. TAS runs are about finding the best and most interesting strategies. Pannen and the rest of the ABC Crew have made some of the best TAS strats of all time.

>>15601490

This, I find both impressive though.

>>15588297

Where do you think you are?

80 minutes of coin cloning later, another A press saved!

It uses the strategy showcased in >>15593149 and >>15593526 , without the hacks.

Also, an interesting observation: 8 of the 20 presses are for castle movement, so if new strategies are found, at least 6 of those could be easily removed (the ones for Wing Mario Over the Rainbow and Rainbow Road might be harder)

>>15611766

>20 "presses"

>He says there's such a thing as half an "A press"

So what your saying is that he pressed the A button 40 times, not counting the times spent holding the button for entire stages because somehow holding the A button down for 18 hours is the same as tapping the A button for 500ms.

Why am I supposed to be impressed by this?

>>15588428

>>15588461

>what are sonyfags and segafags

get the fuck out

>>15588751

>he can't hear the difference between homosexuality and autism

>>15591921

I kind of like that Mario design actually

>>15611924

The logic is that because the A button is pressed and held before entering a level, but not released it only counts as a "half" press, which is retardedly autistic specificity. That's why it became a meme.

>>15611924

>>15611940

READ THE FUCKING THREAD FAGGOTS, IT'S ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED 10 FUCKING TIMES

Pannen has a spreadsheet with all stars on it and how many A presses it takes to complete them. 0.5 works well as a notation because you can the sum of all stars' A presses rounded down before adding them to get the amount of A presses in a full run, round them up for the A presses required in segmented runs, and can easily track all stars that have a value greater than 0 to see which ones are not yet viable for a true 0 A press run.

>>15611940

I see, it's just so weird, because pressing something means pushing down on it and that's it, whatever you afterwards does not matter, you already pressed the object in question.

>>15611964

In Mario 64, there are several functions that can be performed by just holding the button. It's not as useful as pressing it., but has several functions.

>>15611968

It's a full fucking press, nigger. The initial press just happened earlier. If you consider the press to only be the part where you pressed it, then it would be counted as 1 press in the first stage, and 0 presses in the second. It's just a simpler notation as it shows that the A button is still utilized in some fashion, even if it's just held in the second stage and not pressed.

>>15611964

Ok, I'm going to make this as simple as possible…

To collect the star Watch for Rolling Rocks in Hazy Maze Cave with the fewest A-Presses possible, you need to have the A button held down. You do not need to press it at any point during the level to collect the star, but it has to be held down. So if you are JUST trying to get THAT star and ONLY that star, you have to press the A button one time, because otherwise how the hell is it going to be held down. But if you're trying to do a 100% playthrough of the entire game where you collect all 120 stars, you do not need to press the A button an additional time for that star… You just need to keep it held down after some other star that required pressing it. That is what half an A press means. It means you round up to 1 if you're doing that star and only that star and round down to 0 if you're collecting other stars that actually require pressing the button and not just holding it.

>>15611940

The video became a meme because of the hilarity of seeing how far someone could go just to avoid pressing a button when playing a game. Most people watching the video realise he knows what he's talking about when he begins to show the extent to which he understands the game. So it's not "hurr half a press that's so stupid lol".

At this point you either get why half a presses are used or you're posting low-tier bait. Or you're retarded, that's also a possibility.

>>15612005

He has already pressed it. Pressing it down for one second or one hour is still pressing it one time. It does not count as pressing it a second time unless you press, release, and press again.

>>15611990

Because it saves an A press, retard.

He pressed it once ten minutes ago and held it out, that's one press. If he let go, it would be two.

>>15612005

So how do you calculate the amount of presses then? Do you count a press every half a second or something? Because if you're going to say "when it's initially pressed", then it's one press.

>>15612019

Answer my point then, anon.

How many presses would you calculate, then? How would you count it? Once a second for it being held? Once per frame like the console would?

>>15612036

The moment he presses down on the button, that's a press, no matter for how long he holds it, that's a press.

>>15612019

And if you're doing JUST Watch for Rolling Rocks and ONLY Watch for Rolling Rocks, you have to press the A button one time. ONE time, you must move the button into contact and exert continuous force. It doesn't matter how long you exert that force, you've moved the button one time.

If you are doing the entire game, you just maintain that force for longer. You do not have to move the button an additional time, you just have to maintain the force. Because for that star, the initial press - moving the button - doesn't matter, but holding it in place does.

What is being counted is the button movements. How long it's held in position after that doesn't matter. (Otherwise, as >>15612036 said there would be no reasonable way to keep count)

>>15612059

>if he's pressing the button and holding, that's a single continuous press, you count it as one,

Exactly.

The Rolling Rocks example requires you to hold the button. If you are doing only that, it requires you to press it one time and hold it. 1 A press. But if you're doing the entire game, there are points that require the actual pressing part and not just holding. So you do one of those which requires a press on its own and you keep the button held down. The Rolling Rocks star does not require any additional presses. 0 Presses for that star (the one before counts for a different star.

Again, that is what half an A press means. It means you round up to 1 if you're doing that star and only that star and round down to 0 if you're collecting other stars that actually require pressing the button and not just holding it.

>>15612048

That's literally the point I and others have been trying to make, anon. Here's how it goes.

>enters stage 1

>presses A (A count is at 1)

>holds it

>gets star

>never releases A

>enters stage 2 while still holding A (A count is still at 1)

>gets star

It's simply a notation. He divided the press between the two stars, giving them 0.5 each, so that it would be easier to understand that the game utilizes the holding of A in the second star. Marking it as 0 would imply that it doesn't utilize the A button at all. Like other anons from your position have stated, you could mark it as 0 press 1 hold, but 0.5 makes it easier to keep track of instead of adding another thing to keep track of entirely.

>>15612059

Anon, this has already been overexplained, we've had both a thread filled with explanations for this as well as a god game video giving a detailed explanation for it. If you aren't baiting at this point you need to realise how dense you come across for still not getting it.

Half A presses are used to explain why the number of A presses needed to do multiple sections of a game aren't necessarily the total of the amount needed to do each sections separately, it's that god damn simple.

>>15612081

People already understand anon, you're just a fucking retard for still not getting it after all that's been explained to you.

>>15612081

The point is just that he has to call it something, as he's counting presses through the entire run. Just counting it one doesn't actually describe what's needed, so you can call a 2.5 press segment either 2.5 or "2 presses and a hold" or whatever you like (maybe 2h or something), but pannen uses the .5 notation because it's easiest for him.

>>15612081

If you're too much of a retard to understand a simple notation, there's no fucking way in hell you can understand PU movement, HOLPs, Scuttlebug transportation, speed conservation, cloning or anything of the glitches commonly used in these runs.

>>15612112

No. You were wrong. It’s not our fault you’re too stupid to understand something so fundamentally simple.

>>15612120

A 0.5 A press is an A press held across more than one star. In a single star segment, it would count as one, but in a full game run, it would count as 0.

If that is "too complicated", you're legitimately retarded. My 8 year old sister understands this shit.

>>15612139

So when writing how many presses are need for each individual map, how do you record the single A press?

>>15612142

Simply say "On map X press here, then hold down throughout map Y and Z then let go in map X" is that too hard?

>>15612154

You're recording how many A presses are needed for each map anon, not writing instructions.

>>15612167

Recording as in how then? Just fucking state out loud "I AM STILL PRESSING DOWN IN THIS BUTTON CURRENTLY" Jesus christ.

>>15612139

>Or you could just say, it's a single continuous press that carries over across several maps. Was that too hard?

You could, but that's a fucking mouthful, especially if you have to say it multiple times throughout a video. Half an a press is quick and to the point.

>>15612188

>Waaaah, I don't understand half a presses

"""""""""""""""""""""""""Henry""""""""""""""""""""""""" please go

>>15612175

As in you've got a spreadsheet listing each map and you're recording how many A presses each map needs. Technically a single A press held across two maps would mean each map needs an individual A press but that would be inaccurate for the total presses needed for the whole run.

>>15612154

Except there is no full run yet, and the map order isn't final. Everything is done on a star-by-star basis for the most part, so you don't even have the other maps. So, how do you reference it when you can't even know which map you came from? Everything you've mentioned so far is insanely verbose compared to ".5".

>>15612120

I would talk shit, but I kinda appreciate what you're doing here.

I wish I could commit years of my life toward something like this guy. Yeah, this is autistic, but at least he is passionate about something.

TTC DOWN TO TWO PRESSES

>One difficulty of this new strat was that it requires the rotating hand to rotate counterclockwise about 114 degrees. This is very abnormal behavior for the hand, as its behavior in code has it favor rotating clockwise. Thus, I wrote a program to simulate TTC and find the next time the hand would perform this feat. It usually took the hand somewhere between 10 and 40 days before it did it. However, I then wrote a program to simulate making dust on various frames, and to look ahead in each of these cases to see how long it would be until the hand did what we wanted. This method found dozens of quick solutions (some of which were too fast to be usable, since I wouldn't have enough time to build up speed). Thus, I chose the fastest one that left enough time for speed building, and proceeded with that one. If you're curious, here were the results of my program after running it for ~20 hours: https://pastebin.com/raw/CrJZZVpn. This shows what frames to make dust on, and what frame the hand would start its 114 degree counterclockwise movement after such dust.

>>15613195

Whoops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WLlQ2alTK8

I am stone sober - rarely drink, don't smoke.

I am watching this video and tripping the fuck out thinking of it on a galactic scale. In this entire universe, this shit is happening. Of course I was speechless at the video which made him a God, but for some reason the frame I'm in right now is just making me trip the fuck out on this. It's incredible.

>>15601324

>Make a channel called SuperPannenkoek2012

>Put commentated videos on that channel

>Reclaim main channel

>???

>Profit

>>15613353

The issue is that he doesn't want to get meme'd on, that's how he perceives the memes about the "half a press" videos. Making another channel wouldn't stop the memes.

>>15600982

Nigger I hate this damn complaint, 100%'d the game and never felt any pain from doing any of the actions, the only time it's KIND OF awkward is when swinging bowser, but that's what the ds stick is for and even if you go full d-pad they made it way faster to swing at top frequency.

>>15613195

Imagine if the dust RNG manipulation didn't work so well and the run became "wait for 10 days for the clock hand to get in position".

It would be the craziest speedrun in history.

>no! anyone who doesn't understand our flawed terminology is retarded!

If it wasn't for people shitting on the half press meme these threads would have no content. I am going to keep that in mind in the future and refrain from posting in them.

>>15588759

Fuck off TJ

>>15615191

If you really meant that you wouldn't have made that post, idiot.

Somewhere, an orange yoshi is masturbating to this new video where Pannenkoek gAy presses a lot.

>>15617533

Fucking autistic bullshit. Maybe you faggots should half a press muh dick

>>15618182

Because anons can smug post over some folks because don't get pannen means holding down the button when he says "half press". Once they find out what "half press" means just becomes an endless argument whether or not pannen is an inarticulate autist or you're just a retard for not getting in the first place.

>>15618182

You have to understand the history of the game. It was made when true 3D hardware and 3D game design was still in its infancy and Nintendos game budgets were still unmatched so as a result they worked in a very skunkworks fashion during this time in their history. Its a game with a big budget but made with what was essentially experimental tools. Keep in mind this was the case with ALL 3D games of this era but SM64 is a popular game by a big budget dev so more autists are drawn to it and its fun poking around this shit finding the little cracks in the software.

>>15618332

Wasn't Croc released for PC? It would probably be piss easy to poke around in there anyways and reverse engineer it

>tfw pannencuckek is eternally shittershattered over his fame

>tfw (((Henry))) turned out to be triggered by anime tiddy

There are no heroes left in man

>>15618420

>tfw (((Henry))) turned out to be triggered by anime tiddy

Which tiddy did he get pissed about? The recent Senran Kagura shitstorm? Goblins? My tumblr academia?

>>15618441

None of the above. He went on a tirade over >>15611858. Gimme a bit to find the screenshots.

>>15618450

>forgot to sage

>forgot to unclick spoiler

hahaha i'm gay

>>15618332

And in that universe Croc would be a Yoshi super FX game for the SNES.

>>15618450

What does he think of pic related >>15591311 , then?

Someone send it to him.

>>15600982

>The DS version is basically unplayable.

I've 100%'d 64 DS twice. It takes getting used to using a D-pad for 3D movement, but it plays decently for the controls the DS offers.

>They made it so that you have to hold a button to run

Like the 2D Mario games?

>movement is restricted to 8 digital directions, again instead of analog tilt

I've never had to use the touch screen, but they used that to compensate for the lack of an analog stick if a player needs more directional control.

>It's fucking impossible.

git gud

>>15618450

Wow.