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>>15506795

i havent had any bugs at all or any major transaltion problems your welcome to prove me wrong

>NISA dungeon crawler

Just emulate etrian odyssey or the thousands of other wizardry games

>>15506797

Now I know I'm not the person to be talking with the amount of typos I usually make, but I have a little bit of difficulty trusting the opinion of someone that can't capitalize, use you're properly or spell words longer than 7 letters correctly as far as translation quality goes.

As an aside, it's still pretty funny that the base assumption for NISA fucking up isn't just bad translation but outright gamebreaking bugs. Looking forward to the memory leaks and attempts by the game to rewrite critical OS files.

>>15506822

i haven't beaten the game yet i am only on the firth dungeon and i haven't seen any "well nisa fucked that translation up " well there was even a part early on where the nun character tried to rape the mc.

Whats the difference between this and EO?

he said it wasn't a shit thread

but it was

>>15506737

>NISA apologist

As always, OP ruining the thread with his faggotry.

Pros:

>can switch audio to japanese

>can fastforward through irrelevant meme-filled dialog

>is actually a good game

>>15506868

>runs natively on PC

Cons:

>combat audio is fucked and lags like a motherfucker, causing 1-2 second delays on each attack

>dialog audio is also fucked and lags like a motherfucker, causing delays of up to 30 seconds in some cases

>no monsterpedia

>no itempedia

>no explanation of mechanics anywhere outside of the tutorials that introduce them

>can't view dungeon maps unless you're actually in the dungeon

>>15506737

These kind of games are usually fucking boring. Doesn't surprise me NISA published another game that looks like low-effort shit.

>>15506737

>those titties

What the fuck? Is that mob supposed to be cakekike?

>>15507085

The story is garbage and 90% of the time has absolutely nothing to do with your dungeon exploration, and the game is missing many of the usual quality of life features common to dungeon explorers. That said, NISA publishes what NIS tells them to publish, so blame NIS, not NISA.

>>15506737

>fuck you nisa didnt fuck this game up try it before you talk shit

It's possible NISA does put out something good once in a while like Stranger of Sword City. However I gave them the benefit of the doubt and bought that. Then they fucking ruined YS8 so I'm not giving them money ever again. Maybe I'll pick up a used switch copy once I beat Xenoblade 2 DLC and the dust has settled.

>defending NIS shit

Kill yourself.

>>15507189

>Stranger of Sword City

On a scale of 1 to Etrian that game was like a 4. Pretty shit in my opinion.

>>15507067

>combat audio is fucked and lags like a motherfucker, causing 1-2 second delays on each attack

This is actually fixed with the launch patch but the CODEX release doesn't include it

>>15509501

At least Refrain is far better than SoSC (but still nowhere near as good as EO/PQ (but what is?))

>>15506835

>the nun character tried to rape the mc.

>tried

are you even allowed to have sex with any of the girls?

>>15509690

Oh shit, the bug is actually now fixed for pirates. Link to random sketchy dolphin porn .exe is here: filedropper.com/refrain

>>15509501

>Pretty shit in my opinion.

I liked the whole death mechanic that forced me to care for my qt characters and the customization, to bad those fucking gooks will NEVER EVER release the updated version, so far my favorite dungeon crawlers are Legend of Grimrock only game that made me feel actually trapped in a dungeon and dungeon traveler, still havent played etrain.

>>15507173

>Blame NIS

NISA is shit for plenty of their own reasons

>>15507189

I heard that game was boring though; heard better things about Demon Gaze, which is still average

>>15509765

NISA put out an updated version of the game the following year or was there another version?

>>15509770

I'm just commenting on NISA's localization. They didn't break it and it wasn't 90% memes so they did a passable job.

Seems like this game can be played fully in japanese so that's great, but what about the actual port? Any bugs or other problems?

>>15509786

>they didn't break it and it wasn't 90% memes

Was it an actual good localization though? Those are bare minimum honestly

It didn't have egregious shit like incorrect item descriptions or untranslated text or anything?

>>15509802

It seems that there's some lag sometimes between turns of the characters, which can fuck voice a bit during combat and you may not know what the fuck happened although luckily you have on your left a log battle so its not a big deal.

>>15509811

I didn't notice any untranslated text and I cannot remember anything cringey coming up. I don't remember reading any descriptions and having the attack or item doing something differently either. However I never really looked into it. I have posted this on lots of NISA hate threads though like the Falcom general. Never had anybody point out anything I missed that it was shit though. I bought it before I knew about NISA's shit. I just saw it wasn't censored, I liked the art, and heard it was decent entry level dungeon crawler that was available on the vita.

>>15509829

Again, fix for that here >>15509730

So what's the difference between this and a western dungeon crawler? Is it just the same shit but with waifus?

I watched a twitch stream of Refrain and the dude only used regular attacks. Wiki's don't have shit yet, do characters even get skills or what?

>>15509842

>Vita

but it never got localized for the Vita though?

>>15509942

Yeah it did even the update/expansion. They only released it digitally though with no update option. I would have been pissed if I wasn't already wise to NISA's nonsense. Here's the metacritic page if you don't believe me. https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-vita/stranger-of-sword-city

Fuck off mate.

>>15509924

There are 5 Covens (front/rear party slots) with Pacts that can be slotted into each, which are items you can find in the dungeon or be awarded from doing the story missions. Each Pact has skills attached to it (every skill, characters themselves have no skills) and you can slot 3 characters into them which can cast the skills based off their stats. The pacts also augment stats and have Support slots that you can slot characters into to further augment stats and/or level them up while having them be outside battle.

>The characters are actually "wooden puppets"

Gay

>VN segments won't fuck off and let me just explore the menus, the labyrinth, and anything else without giving me an overly long prologue and tutorial first

Get me out. I don't need or want any DEEP EPIC story in my dungeon crawler. Just fucking let me do my thing already.

>>15506737

>Second image

Is that Mark?

>Gap in the floor

>Think there's an invisible wall and moving fast

>There isn't

>Fall down three floors

>The fall kills half my party

>The first encounter I get into has 3 enemies with 2k hp that hit for 800+

Pretty fun stuff. I'm not a big fan of the puppet party shit, but it gives you neat mechanics like limb loss so I can get behind it.

>>15511256

I died the same way, then I went down there and looted everything up to the post-game boss while avoiding every fight. It completely trivialized the next story mission section and makes your bell user overpowered even long after that, but sneaking around in areas where everything can one shot you is always fun so I couldn't resist. I miss how old MMO dungeons were scary like that the entire time.

>Explore every inch of the labyrinth after getting wall breaker

>Clearly this new ability will be the key to progression

>Still can't figure out where to go even after exploring areas I have no business being in

>Finally get lucky and finish the 10 saltpeter quest

>This trips an event flag and suddenly I can understand all the NPC's, and now can progress

This is dumb bullshit. I've been fucking about for the last hour pulling my hair out in desperation trying to move on and turns out I just had to grind 10 rat asses first.

>>15511411

The game so far is trivially easy. I would certainly not want to make it even easier.

Weird question, do you need triggers for this to play with a controller? The only controller I have has broken triggers.

>>15511819

Unless I'm forgetting something, the triggers are used for lateral movement in the dungeon only.

I just installed the game, the audio lags are unbearable.

Will moving it onto an SSD be better?

>>15513085

Anon, read the thread.

>>15513116

thanks anon

>>15512280

>who wants to get all bubbly with us?

where the fuck is the "yes" option?

>>15513149

This. Only fags and retards reward NIS/A in any way be it by word of mouth or actually giving them money. They should burn. As should this thread.

>>15512280

Why did NISA have to get this game?

>>15512280

What the hell is with that second one?

>>15515436

A succubus floating in mid air, mid-kart wheel or front flip forwards (away from you), or balancing on her dagger.

>>15515477

If it's a succubus, I assume that she is not the one speaking.

>>15515436

>>15515477

>>15515521

no it has a penis sorry lads

>>15509375

>IGG who is known for bitcoin mining

I must have missed that. Any good alternatives?

>>15516647

https://www.skidrowreloaded.com/labyrinth-of-refrain-coven-of-dusk-codex/

Never had a problem downloading from there

>>15517233

Those slimes guard access to a lategame area, you spudtato. Go do the next dungeon already.

>>15517233

you're not supposed to go to the slimes, your main story objectives are elsewhere. It's just some bonus loot. I wouldn't explore there until the story progresses and you learn Mud Exit to gtfo when you must.

So does a non-NISA translation exist?

>>15517233

>sign in the first slime area basically saying "DO NOT DUMB HERE, COME BACK LATER"

>big bizarre out of place tent on B3 that pops up a "HEY NEW DUNGEON HERE" prompt, with a slot for the new dungeon that you have to look at every time you enter any other dungeon

You're one of those Half-Life testers who got lost and ran in circles aren't you?

>>15518272

The very first loading screen you see in the game, the one with the female narrator, has a grammatical error. Classic NISA.

>>15518284

>>15512280

I said it for Persona 5 so NISA's shit gets the same leeway. Grammatical errors and stuff is preferable as long it's still understandable over censoring, changing the tone and plot. With NISA you also have to consider if the game is still stable and the like of course.

>>15518318

I can tolerate grammatical errors. I can't tolerate them when you run into them not even a minute into the game, really shows how little of a fuck their QA team gives.

How do I extract souls from artifacts/loot? I have multiple items that say "you can sense a soul," including a loot barrel, but nothing I click on ever gives me the option of ripping it out.

>>15518415

Story mission unlocks it later.

>>15518442

I should have known. That kind of bullshit really pisses me off.

Is there any special way of unsealing items, too? It says I should get out of the dungeon to have Dronya do it, but even when I'm back in camp it says "Force the seal" when I click to do it, just like when I'm still in the dungeon. Is that the "right" way or am I missing something stupid and obtuse? Does it even matter anyways?

>>15518460

Story mission unlocks it later.

>>15518460

>>15518495

Oh I'm retarded and it sounds like you already have it. Forcing it gives a chance of losing stats supposedly. I've never seen a single good sealed item doing it normally though so I'm not even sure why they're a thing.

Will this run on my thinkpad?

>>15506737

What happens to your Waifus if they lose to Troll Shaman?

>>15518460

Alchemy pot.

Okay, so that nun was really lewd and her voice makes me hard.

I'm at the Saltpeter quest, is there a specific way of getting that quickly or do I just have to keep opening treasure spots and pray?

>>15519829

Repeatedly enter the dungeon and break the walls along the first initial pathway. There'll be two semi-big rooms with two item spots. Grind them until done.

Fuck that quest.

I was not prepared for the Troll Shaman. My single target DPS is a one-trick pony and unbeknownst to me I had accidentally turned her to vanguard during some battle. The troll smacked her shit in right quick, though not before she got him to blinking-red status with a few turns of sustained 2k fire damage. Even for all that, with her out of the picture it was all over for me. Very expensive lost.

I have mixed feelings about the pact/coven system. It's cool that it allows you to field multiple characters in the same slot with potential to individually command each one, but on the same hand it would be ridiculously overpowered if each and every one had their own skill-set. Hence why they opted to make each puppet have 0 potential for skills and rely solely on the Pacts to temporarily impart them. That wouldn't be a problem, except each Pact is treated as an item that you must find or grind for in the dungeon. Without a bit of luck on your side, your party comp is neutered from the getgo with limited skill-set and no way to rectify it. Even worse, as far as I can tell, there is no way to actually know what each skill in the Pact does from the menu outside of the effect being self-evident from the name.

Once enemy comps begin to use buffs/debuffs, this becomes an immediate problem with no solution. I do not like it and it needs to stop. It'd be a much better system if puppets were able to permanently learn the skills the pact gives by leveling under it.

Do you get anymore classes or are you stuck with 6?

How do you stop your healer from being targeted to fuck the second she heals?

>>15520933

OP's first screenshot is of the 7th Facet, a genderless freak who likes hammers. As for healing, I only healed in the early chapters with my tank, and then I dropped healing entirely.

>>15520781

Moon Stance strikes again.

I get really tired of these 日本一 game's complete lack of a difficulty curve. You can have hours of auto-battling through trash mobs and then bosses that party wipe you turn two because there wasn't any point to bother with party synergy when every single enemy including the 'harder' type enemies are so weak anyway.

Not that it's particularly hard to get through the bosses when you're ready for them but would it hurt to make the dungeons equivalently difficult so you're actually playing a game for the entire dungeon and not just the boss battles?

>>15520781

>It'd be a much better system if puppets were able to permanently learn the skills the pact gives by leveling under it.

Too grindy, and too common of a JRPG trope to do that as well. You're right about not being able to get descriptions for skills right away being somewhat annoying though. I'm just bypassing it by buffing Offense x3 on everyone and using a strong Def debuff in order to drop shit in 1 or 2 turns until post-game. I also like that debuffs on bosses are a thing and are significant, it's a common design cop out to just have them be immune to everything.

>>15521056

>debuffs on bosses

I meant status effects on bosses.

>>15521056

>>15521057

>Too grindy, and too common of a JRPG trope to do that as well.

As opposed to grinding out separate and powerful pacts? Doable only when you've gotten high loot-drop chance by grinding trashmobs and finding mana in dungeons? It's the first idea that I thought of, and though it's common, it's still better than what we've got.

>Status effects on boss

I have not received a single pact that has a status inflicting ability, to my knowledge. The only method I've discovered of inflicting them is weapon procs, and those are pitifully small percentage chances. Guess I just wasn't lucky with the pact drops!

YOU WANT MANA?

YOU WANT SOULS?

COME TO UMBRA 5F WEST, YOU"LL BE DROWNING IN BOTH!

There's also metal slime EXP pinatas here but the spawn tables have other much more annoying shit mixed in so you should just kill the ones in Melm instead.

I'm sure this is a time bomb, eventually this is going to bork a save or brick someone's computer.

>>15521412

They had the loli throw in a 'dood' somewhere. I'm always skimming through the dumb as fuck story sections and forgot to listen to the voice line fully, but I can not possibly imagine that 'dood' was the proper translation.

>>15520933

>>15520995

well in my game i just unlocked a loli reaper class there fucking crazy good in the memory dungeon atm

>>15521093

>As opposed to grinding out separate and powerful pacts?

Every good Pact I've found was off a chest or (sometimes optional) boss, I haven't had to grind any and didn't even realize you could.

>>15521412

>Also there was some guy a while back and I don't know if it was part of the characterisation but he didn't capitalize a single 'I' in his dialogue.

If you're talking about the dwarves, they're all lower case all the time.

>>15506737

>the weebest designs for the characters.

Great. I really like having to see uguu kawaii in dungeon crawlers. It doesn't come off as jarring and silly to have characters who look more at home in a SoL fighting in a dog-eat-dog environment.

Pass.

>>15523449

time to transition :^)

Excellent stuff. Just got my first crash on menu exit. There goes the last hour or so of exploring the new dungeon, if not more if I forgot to save before heading out. I knew it was only a matter of time before NISA quality reared its head.

>>15524258

Yeah I get the same thing after a long time, memory leak probably.

>There's an event called "Hide" from the giant roaming fuckoff FOE that the game warned me I clearly can't beat

>"Never know if this might be what trips the event flag for the next mandatory dumb story section, so okay, sure, I'll 'hide' from it right quick even though I'm having no trouble walking around it on-map"

>As the giant FOE that you clearly can't beat walks by, you take cover in the bushes. OR DO YOU?!??!?

>Immediately thrust into inescapable battle with it.

This fucking game is so stupid sometimes.

>>15524294

I haven't even been playing that long. I had a 10+ hour marathon the other day and all was good. I was barely 3 hours into playing earlier when it crashed.

>>15518539

What thinkpad? The minimum requirements for the CPU on the steam store page are 6th gen intel processors, but I don't think that's accurate. You probably would be able to run it on a T420 or better.

Really wish NIS would start producing games held to the same standards as their PS2 titles again. Disgaea 5 left a bad taste in my mouth, dunno if I should try this.

>>15525250

>disgaea 5 left a bad taste in my mouth

How? From a purely gameplay perspective its the best in the series, disgaea 1 and even 2 are draconian in comparison

>>15525259

I was thinking about stuff among the lines of Soul Nomad and La Pucelle, not the Disgaea series. Sorry that didn't come out right, but Disgaea 5 had a really annoying cast of characters that obviously conflicts with each other until the end. By the time I reached LoC Baal I hadn't bothered leveling any of the story characters except for Killia and my team consisted entirely of DLCs and generics. Without a good story or setting as an incentive to grind the whole game just becomes really painful. I could at least somewhat tolerate the prolonged grinding of Disgaea 1, 2 and 4 for that reason.

>>15509975

Is the PC version the updated one?

>>15521412

>Does your butthole still hurt?

>Are you still butthurt?

It's not that far off, is it?

>>15525330

No idea I played the original vita version I was pissed when they updated it.

>>15527183

How do you get surgery on an explosive?

>>15527242

I mean, wasn't the origin of the term "butthurt" from the idea that the person who was (butthurt), was so outraged (by a post or video or whatever) they could have been assumed to have been anally raped, such is the vehemence of their ire?

>>15527183

>I realize the solution might be to get a better "Gaming" chair

Or just get a shitty laptop and controller and play in your bed, it's not like this game's intensive. Gives you access to a ton of emulation to play in bed as well, with less effort than hacking some console to do the same.

>what's the consensus

No idea, but I'm enjoying it. Wouldn't buy it if it'd save my life, because >NISA, but certainly worth a pirate.

>>15527183

>It really kills all the fun of figuring out interesting grinding strategies for power leveling your team.

I don't see how this is a problem. You can still find unique grinding strategies but this just makes it faster so you can tackle the actual content more often. The cheat shop only makes the grind less tedious. You can also use it to give yourself more restrictions such as no money/mana/EXP or no cancelling actions which really hinders how you can play.

>>15521433

This is an NIS developed game so it's possible whatever they translate to dood in the Disgaea was referenced in this game.

>>15527311

first pic is old gay meme kys

>>15527568

Yeah but he's talking about the origin of an old meme-word it's appropriate.

>>15527551

>For one, half the appeal of the old Disgaea games was how challenging they could be and that makes powering up your units that much more rewarding and half the fun was figuring out how to break the game to become overpowered.

But that's exactly the same. The cheat shop doesn't stop that in any way. I even explained that you can actually use it to handicap yourself if you wanted to. Anyone can grind their dick off and get stupid strong after going through item world and killing the item god or grinding the Cave of Ordeals with arms master innocents. How does the cheat shop change this? What the cheat shop mainly does is sacrifice one stat for another. You can lower your mana and HL gain and put the extra points into EXP. Don't need to level but want mana? That's not a problem either.

The cheat shop does not influence things that actually break the game such as team combinations, skills set-ups, Lv200 items, and weapons that have a 100% rate to inflict multiple status effects. If you want to talk about turning the game into a joke, then the magic crystal/potion system breaks everything. You can have a Lv1 character that's not even reincarnated with stats that rival Lv1000 characters. They can fix any problem when it comes to stats.

>>15527644

>the cheat shop doesn't stop that in any way

but that is factually incorrect.

>actually use it to handicap yourself if you wanted to

that is retarded and you clearly don't understand how intensives operate. People look for the path of least resistance. The appeal of overcoming a challenge is precisely born out of the satisfaction of developing systems and skill sets that mitigate these obstacles, once you make these challenges and obstacles trivial by providing a way to weight the system you destroy all the appeal by allowing the entire structure to be undermined.

>>15521433

>>15527553

IIRC, the Prinnies originally ended all their sentences with "-tch". A sort of tut typical of thuggish accents (which makes sense since the Prinnies are souls of people who need to repent- murderers and thieves). So dood was a corruption of dude, like a thug… Out of the 80s?

In any case, could be a reference even in the original.

>>15527183

I played a bit of the first Disgaea and didn't realize how ass-backwards a lot of stuff is.

There's little reason to use bows over guns, nothing has intelligence for monsters. and clerics get super fucked unless you give them a mage as a pupil. Made me realize how many improvements the games have made (don't need to abuse the throw system since it's no longer in straight lines, gradually gets a little more balanced each time, etc).

Sort of like what these two say:

>>15525259

>>15525250

Better gameplay, worse characters.

Speaking of, how is Disgaea D2? I think it came out after 5 and if the games keep going up in quality, I'm kinda curious. Though I am quietly hoping for a complete version Disgaea 4.

>>15527183

im about almost done with the game i just beat the memory dung and close to the end of the game. ill do post game but how good are the disgaea games i wouldn't mind playing another jrpg like refrain is its made by the same company i also like the artist for this game

I have questions that I can not recall the answer to. First, what does karma do, and how can I get rid of it? Secondly, does running from a battle remove all stockpiled xp? I think I might have fucked myself out of 100k xp simply because I didn't want to fight a particular trash mob.

>>15521433

They literally only added that because it rhymes with 'food'. There was not even the slightest suggestion that 'dood' could have been drawn out from that context in any way, I mean whatever, nisa can't help but shove it into any script they work on somewhere, and it's not like it was important dialogue, but still pretty gay.

>>15522459

That makes sense, it's funny that nisa is so prone to actually making fuck ups like that that I automatically assumed it was an error rather than a 'cute' characterisation.

>>15527242

>>15525336

>unless there is more context

>it seemed like they were trying to sidestep the kancho

Guys please, reading comprehension is not that hard. The kid was earnestly, albeit clumsily, apologizing for literally sticking his fingers up her ass in a prior scene. The translation makes it sound like he's egging her on at worst, or at best asking if she's still mad from before, completely changing the context of the scene to being either insincerely apologizing or straight up taunting her.

>>15527687

It's a pretty simple proposition to the player. "Do you want to play through the fun(?) puzzles we made or do you want to just jump straight into the fun character building bullshittery we're offering, we named it 'cheat shop' so you would know not to use it if you still want to play through the puzzles how we designed them." It's like saying if someone offered you two choices: 'play chess with me or play chess with me but every one of your pieces is a queen', you don't always need to pick the second choice because maybe you'd like to enjoy the game in the way it was designed to work, but you could potentially have just as much fun playing the second option, especially if you're opponenet starting pulling out fairy chess pieces or some other wacky stuff. There's no need to be such an autist about playing a game 'the best way' when a game as an entity exists to provide value through stimulation and not value through personal gain.

>>15529220

Karma increases your chance of getting critted, one of the various, largely useless, tooltips tells you this in a dungeon so I don't blame you for missing that. It also has effects on various skills including some of the coven's slot-in effects, probably quietly functions like a negative modifier to luck-based interactions too. One of the very first witch petition options you get clearly states that it drops your karma by 99 points for something like 3k mana. I'm honestly not sure how you got to the point of making 100k exp without noticing that, especially since so many game mechanics are hard locked behind witch petitions. Lastly yes, fleeing will also ditch all stockpiled exp.

>>15529502

>I don't blame you for missing that

I didn't miss it. I explore every inch of a dungeon possible before moving on. I just have a notoriously poor memory. Ditto for the witch petition thing. Who even reads garbage like "Footwear" petition outside of the very first moment you get it?

>>15529530

Thing about the witch petition is that it's one of the first one's available when you only have like, three options to choose from and haven't even gotten past like a single floor. It's also right at the top of the list too even after you get more petitions open so you'd see it every time you opened the list. Still, I don't really blame you because there are a lot of trash petitions, but it is kind of weird.

anyone got a non igg torrent

>>15529539

It's like 5th or 6th on the list, and it's called "Scapegoat." The name itself doesn't immediately tell you the effects and I usually just go upwards to roll over to the immediate bottom of the list, where all the useful petitions are, before spending mana and backing out. The last time I actually hovered over it and thus had a chance to read the description for it is likely when I first unlocked and read it.

It's a combination of bad memory and this fucking game having a million shitty poorly explained mechanics with no way of reviewing them.

>>15529543

Read the thread

>>15529551

You know what, that does kind of make sense. Especially since you don't even encounter any karma situations until a little while after it comes unlocked.

>fucking game having a million shitty poorly explained mechanics with no way of reviewing them.

This so much. I'm glad my memory is decent enough because it sure is a fucking hassle to get any meangingful information about minor details in this game, when almost any other modern dungeon crawler, or any rpg for that matter, will always have a full set of detailed tooltips and tutorials shoved away in some menu somewhere.

While I still remember:

>>15520781

>Even worse, as far as I can tell, there is no way to actually know what each skill in the Pact does from the menu outside of the effect being self-evident from the name.

You actually can view them, but it's not really apparent since you need to press the Y/triangle/whichever key you assigned it to button over the covenent in the brigade menu and hit 'available donum', which lets you actually view the skill details. You can also change a character's stat growth style at any time from the status menu, which is kind of poignant when you unlock the double sharp growth pattern and is not mentioned as being possible anywhere in the game, even the witch petition says something like 'when creating a new puppet'.

>>15529582

>You actually can view them, but it's not really apparent since you need to press the Y/triangle/whichever key you assigned it to button over the covenent in the brigade menu and hit 'available donum'

Shieeeeeet, that's fucking fantastic. I almost never change my pacts because it's a crapshoot knowing if the skills will be worthwhile or not. This will make things a billion times easier.

I did know about the growth pattern thing. Was flipping through the menus once and saw it.

Do you happen to know the effect soul clarity has on growth? I haven't seen any drastically notable differences, even between a puppet with 1, or one with 8.

>>15529617

Frankly aside from obvious skills like taunts(incite)/heals/buffs, the best covens are mostly the passive stat boosting one's with lots of puppet slots. Especially since more active slots = more item usage per reinforce, particularly when reliable and affordable rez'ing requires you to use jitter bugs. Mages and raptors benefit from good skills though. Incidentally, even before being able to view the skills, you could always swap covens and completely rearrange your whole team at any point in the dungeon, so you could enter an easy battle with a new pact, view the skills, then change it back if the skills were bad. One thing I'm still not totally sure about is whether all skills are exclusively influenced by DMP, or whether STR comes into play for physical type donum skills. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to test but I haven't really bothered to check. Also, it's really worth buying the different formations from the witch petitions, especially the two donum ones, if you haven't already. Donum attack formation boosts your vanguard's donum attacks by 70 fucking percent and standard attacks by 20, while healing 10% at the turn end, as well as giving some defensive passives to the rearguard too. Things like decoy and convoy are also pretty useful, especially in nightmare world where bosses can one shot weak characters like nothing.

No idea about soul clarity so I can't help you there, haven't really done any massive levelling to see any differences either.

>>15529645

Can you read the whole post instead of getting caught up on the one half-assed analogy? Your argument at this point is basically saying 'Why would you play anything other than easy mode when it's there for you to use? Why wouldn't you use action replay when it exists for you to use?'. Is it impossible for you to enjoy a game because an easy mode exists? or because you could just straight up hex edit stuff to make it do what you want? It's one thing if the game is made easier globally, but if there's a set of options clearly labelled 'cheats' the point of using them is because you believe your best method of enjoying the game is not as the developers/designers expected players too, whether this is because of your personal tastes or because of your level of understanding of the system is greater than what was expected of the standard player. Complain all you want about any of the other changes in the games, but the inclusion of easily accessible, segregated and clearly labelled cheats ruining it for you just suggests genuine bona-fide autism, or barring that the same kind of ADD that makes dumb whores neglect any kind of skill or self-development and chase after chad just because they can.

Frankly if you were genuinely autistic it would explain a lot, and I wouldn't really hold it against you either

>>15529634

I just now got the Donum formations. I justifiably figured they'd be donum-specific and thus skipped them, since my magic-game is weak as fuck. I've been rolling with Pincer, but if the donum attack one both heals vanguard and protects the rear, then it's right up my alley. Fucking game needs to tell me what things do before it expects me to just go out on a limb to get them.

>>15529727

I thought the same too, so I didn't buy them until I had an excess of mana. I think the difficulty modifier maybe makes them cheaper, but not sure about that. A maze or raptor in a mage pact or similar coven is really crucial though. Guaranteed all target attacks at easily 15.~2x the damage any of your physical characters put out will save you in encounters with 5+ enemies, especially one's with high dodge since donum skills seem to have different calcs for evasion. Not to mention I was hitting nearly 2k damage + 600 poison damage on the troll shaman and both of his adds every turn (that I could actually keep the maze alive that is) in donum attack formation, while my shinobushi was lucky to even output 800 to a single target. I think this was with the 'frail' pact I got out of a chest somewhere, that was a really good pact. Pincer's status res and defense boosts are kind of more reliable though for when not-dying takes priority so it is pretty good.

>>15529755

>15.~2x

1.5~2x

>>15529796

>>15529727

Well for me mazes are fucking op as shit i have been using donum defense one tank coven 2 donum maze covens and one charmer coven. they just do so much damage compared to melee atm but melee crits and gores do an insane amount, but i need more luck and crit gear to make it seem to work.

the story atm has gotten fucking crazy this town is fucked and ever in it is fucked holy shit

>>15529698

>you are being uncharitable to my point of view

<how about he listen to me strawman you for a bit

You really have some nerve. Have you ever actually played a Disgaea game? Because I doubt you would be saying this shit if you actually understood the fundamentals behind the game-play. Its not merely "play on easy mode", it breaks the core of the play experience because one of the fundamental the core 'play' experiences was based on utilizing the mechanics to break the systems and power level your party.

>>15529836

>but i need more luck and crit gear to make it seem to work

I looked up some information about luck, turns out it's a value in the range of 0-99 based on the name of the character at creation (renaming does nothing). Soul Transfer lowers luck based on what your lucky number is, with a repeating pattern from -36 to -27, but if it lowers your luck below 0 or above 99 it wraps around to the maximum/minimum. and you can manipulate this using unlucky gear.

Also turns out there's a really good exp farming coven late game (+666%), which only accepts puppets with even lucky numbers, so hope you picked those

>Report to Dronya like normal

>She gets stabbed by the baker and dies. DEAD END

Holy HELL I was about to be mad. Thought I lost 3 hours of unsaved progress on this neverending Umbra dungeon.

>>15529905

i was just choosing randomly FUCK

>>15529908

holy shit man your catching up i am only 2 dungs ahead of you and one of those is a cakewalk also how are you liking umbra shit is the best dungeon so far for me i loved that place.

>>15529911

I don't mind the aesthetics of the place and the enemies are pretty easy, but I hate dungeons that stretch on for days on end. I also hate the miasma zones that aren't mapped. I get lost easy.

I did. I was afraid to fight him the first time, and I didn't know he'd just instantly fuck them without any input and steal my money at the same time. If I could kill him now, afterwards, I would have.

>>15529908

also

did you let the genie cuck you and fuck all of your female puppets

>>15529926

>Also I assume your posts are backwards, how did that happen?

i had to delete a post i posted without spoiler my bad

your supposed to hit the dead ends you cant avoid them also if you think things are fucked well you will see

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I KEEP FUCKING MY POSTS UP

>overleveled

>can easily obliterate everything in one turn

>still shit my pants when wandering around at over-mana

Pretty genius design really. I wish they put more glass cannon monsters instead of just Pinwheel and Death though.

>>15533386

Story with my life wife videogames

>Have trouble with a boss

>Not sure why

>Go look around on the internet

>Video shows someone doing five times the damage to the boss

>>15535043

>about to hit soul clarity 99 on multiple characters

Have you seen any particular effects of this? What, specifically, does it do? Increased stat-growth? quicker skill acquisition?

>>15535085

There is a wall entry on the third dungeon which says that soul clarity affects stats gain. It does not however mention how much as every single info on the wall is either fucking useless by the time you encounter them or vague enough to be of no use.

I do have to wonder, why the fuck there is no info page or monster encyclopedia to state the overall info, drops or how many encounters with determined monsters found in the dungeon, for fuck sake they even say tractie can write shit down that he sees.

>>15535085

With clarity 1 i was gaining 2-3 EVAsion per level. At 88 it's 9-10. It effects stat growth, but requires more EXP per level up.

>>15535043

holy fuck you grinded alot

Can you run it without changing locale to jp like some other jap games require? Can you post some more screens? Is it a porn game or actual game? I wouldn't mind something similar to sengoku rance.

>>15537351

How did NISA fuck up so bad one of most prominent characters of their company for like 10 years now is a loli in a bikini. How did they come to the conclusion that they must censor this softcore porn game. You can't even say it was because Australia and Germany went insane recently because even the censored versions are banned there. If it wasn't for the Criminal Girls bullshit I would probably still be buying the NISA games that are not broken. I think a lot of other NISA haters probably would not exist either because a lot of people just completely ignore performance.

>>15537630

is the english release censored?

>>15537686

Not from what I've heard, I was talking about Criminal Girls 1 and 2 which were heavily censored by NISA.

>>15537351

Would fug the bug.

>>15537234

ill post for screenshots in a bit but yea you can change to jap voices and text in the options but its a nice game its not porn just lewd at times

so i'm at umbra 7f

is there really no way to help the zombie guy there? is his request just supposed to be some sort or retarded joke by the devs?

>Karma floors

This is the so dumb, especially since there is no way to cure karma or prevent the damage without returning to base and it's introduced super late. It's like they suddenly remembered Karma was a mechanic for some reason and had to give it genuine reason for existing beyond vague 'you take more crits.'

The loli-scythe facet is super scrump. High as HELL agility and a 12% chance on attack while equipping a scythe to strike 4 times. This shreds the enemies.

>>15539681

It's just world flavor mechanics. Double mud exit out if it's a huge problem or cheese it by rotating out brigades with a single active puppet in them, but I would keep your karma low anyway because the last thing you want in a boss battle is your fort's head popping off because lolgorehit.

>12% chance on attack while equipping a scythe to strike 4 times

Yeah but you have to equip a scythe, which takes up like all of your fucking equip slots. Not to mention bushis get 50% to hit twice, mazes get 15%(?) to hit like 5 times against a stunned enemy and raptors get a 3% chance to do like 50 fucking hits any time they do a standard attack. It's not bad but it's really not that overpowered in this game. By the way, were you the guy worried talking about DP issues before? Because all of your DP issues are solved by equipping the right gear instead of just auto equipping, I had a maze with >1k DP at the start of umbra because of gear.

>>15539722

>talking about DP issues before

Yes. I'm not a dipshit so I've never used the auto-equip in my life, but magic is a still a shit. No matter how much DP you stack up, it's just not worthwhile to expend it on trash mobs unless you really want an instant-win for some reason.

Scythes are great. They do superior damage to bells and slash damage. The only caveat is that you can't equip feet, but most feet are only avd/hit anyways so who gives a shit. With a few scythe/bell users in your party, all trash mobs get obliterated within the turn while not expending a drop of mana, leaving you with all your options for sudden FOE or boss battles. Bell/Scythe are truly the master race.

>>15538368

idk i just let him die

>>15539746

yea there great for clearing trash i love them

>>15529502

Butthurt derives its meaning from your ass being hurt from getting fucked up the ass, right? Isn't that the whole point?

Is this thread the most informative source of information on this game that isn't moonrunes? I looked a bit and didn't find anything useful elsewhere. Equipment seems like a clusterfuck with eventually 30 guys so I'm already just auto equipping. Exploration would be greatly improved if there weren't so many walls that you break just to see you can't actually go that way and the map doesn't keep track of it.

>>15549874

I'm using this google docs that someone made, i just found lacking the nature modifiers from it, and equipment i just manually change for those covens with supporting stat modifiers, otherwise auto equip is usefull.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ4x0Qsfo_VX5DL6FiCI0l8USCZqYbUfjti7_9sYA_LLjSZhmlDvbbu9zTXUDq13QOniTWPQBBmB7dS/pubhtml#

>>15549874

breakable walls stop being annoying as fuck after the 2nd area

How does this hold up compared to, well I'll use a recent release so say Mary Skelter?

I'm looking for class/build autism that lets me have a ton of replayability. Skelter was fun but I don't see myself replaying it more than once or twice.

>>15546998

>Kancho = anal sex

Casuals I swear

>>15549874

Gamefaqs has a few threads with useful information, but the google docs is basically every thing you'd need to know. The doc came from gamefaqs incidentally

>>15550035

>mazes are broken as shit

>still isn't using any white rose pacts

M8 you haven't seen the half of it.

>>15550417

>double flat

>sharpen 2, 3x reinforce attack and supercharge from veteran pact i got 16K in one hit.

Assuming this was a crit that proc'd the gothics skill, 16k with 3x reinforce, sharpen 2, supercharge and the boost from veteran pact is really weak. I had a gothic lower levelled than that, with no boosts, unsynthesised equipment and no reinforcement deal out 11k just because they were on sharp or double sharp. Those stats don't look terrible though, but only if they're using fairly weak equipment.

>odd lucky numbers

Nobody tell him, he might catch the autism.

>>15550449

The one thing this game really needs is auto-mapping for tiles one unit away from you. That would solve so many issues for exploration. Frankly, considering this was a switch release as well, I have no idea why they didn't just lift the EO mapping system and put it in this, it really couldn't have been that hard to implement.

>>15550464

Haven't played skelter yet so I can't say for certain, but this game does have a fair bit of autism for classes and builds, however the game is pretty weak overall so I'm not sure if I would recommend it.

>>15550464

Way better than Mary Skelter, better than Dungeon Travelers 2, worse than EO/PQ (but what isn't?) is how I'd rank it. The potential for autism is definitely there but I'm not at the post-game area to see if it's actually warranted yet. Feels like Disgaea where the main campaign becomes a joke if you use one of the many avenues to overpower yourself, and then the post game is still a joke if you use them all in full autism mode.

>>15550692

Charmer is much better overall and since you have white rose for heals gossip is only really good for the magic res down skill. Moon is iffy, it's potentially useful for mazes and raptors if you plan to never see them get hit, or alternatively expect them to die in one hit if anything actually targets them, but the cut to luck means you need at least 30 points of luc in gear just to make them on par with standard and the loss to HP can be pretty devastating. I'm not totally sure what you mean by super bosses if you're including Domina but level 60 is pretty high for rosatempus, I think I was only just scratching 50 by the end of it when I played, but then again I run from battle a lot. Soul clarity doesn't really matter for anything less than 20, at 99 you'll see big differences form 1 but from 1 to 12 it's almost negligible. You still have like 3 dungeons left by the way.

All I can add is that put your forts on the right side of the brigade because target all skills from enemies always move from left to right so your forts will waste guardian soul procs on protecting themselves when they're on the left.

>>15550692

I have a much worse setup and I'm facerolling my way through what I think is the last dungeon before going for post-game, why are you prepping for them already?

>I already did Domina at lv30

Speaking of which, does any anon know what the Fairy King does if you don't kill Domina? Does he just give you the key?

fuck that last boss is hard as fuck and ik there is a postgame and i haven't even gotten to it

>>15550476

yea im using that pact now any other tips for dealing with the last boss

How do support slots in covens work exactly? Let's say there's a support slot with no bonuses written in the description, do the "main" guys in the normal slots get anything if i put someone in there? There was something in the tutorial but i don't remember. Looking online there's something on marginal mazes providing bonuses from support slots but i can't find a clear description of what or how.

So for example if i want a high attack character and i put him in the red slot, and then add 3 supports with also high attack, does the main guy get any increase?

>>15550783

Domina isn't post game at all, killing her results in a story NPC punishing you down the line, plus I nearly killed her the first time I met her. You have to go down to B6 for that zone's actual optional boss.

Does the charm stat increase or decrease the chance of being targeted? Because i think i got it backwards, i'm stacking CHR on my squishy characters. I can't really see a difference though, normal battles everything dies on the first turn anyway and the bosses spam AoEs.

>>15551660

Darn I thought that was an oppai loli before I saw the gut hidden behind the dialogue box.

>>15552216

Godspeed.

>>15552397

You can NISA put out the upgraded version of it on vita but it's digital only. I don't know about the PC version though if it's the original version or not.

>>15552447

>vita

Anon please.

If anyone knows about the PC version though, that would be great.

>>15552216

Do you have a source?

>>15552508

PC version is the original without any of the new content. People asked multiple times on the forums and were flat out ignored. You got NISA'd.

>>15550476

>>15550628

Eh, I'll give it a try, then. Not like I'm giving NISA money either way so I don't lose anything if it's bad. Thanks for the answer.

>>15552555

>You got NISA'd.

Luckily I personally did not. Poor guys that actually bought it though.

>>15553998

Welp, fucked up my spoilers too. Neat.

>>15553998

There's actually an update if you're using the torrented version in the OP. It fixed crashes and stutter for me, but sadly not the black screens. Pretty sure even the most up to date steam version hasn't fixed them. Just instantly save every time you come back from the labyrinth.

Labyrinth.of.Refrain.Coven.of.Dusk.Update.v20180926-CODEX-2018-Sep-27-1516

>>15554023

Yeah, I checked the Steam forums. Last update from NISA is "We're working on it but lol send us videos because we it's 3random5us!". I haven't had any other problems with the game except for the black screen but it seems that now i've gotten a fair whack into the game it's getting more frequent.

>>15554203

Yeah, I am playing in full screen. And now that you mention it I don't remember a single crash in windowed mode. I might try it again when i've cooled down, thanks.

>>15554238

>>15554274

No joke the internal windowed borderless mode caused me to get crashes, ever since I've been running it with external programs or regular windowed mode I haven't had an issue, I am also using the patched exe but that was mostly about sound delay issues.NISA is literally the only explanation for this bullshit. Even with the patch I still get the music freaking the fuck out half the time whenever it tries to loop, which is pretty funny in the 'serious' scenes.

Speaking of the story, was it really necessary to jam in that long ass 'Dronya/Velyna got raped and beaten by literally everyone' segment? I don't exactly want a happy-go-lucky story, but it didn't really fit that well with the more pragmatic and usually subtle way the stories in the dungeons, i.e. the actual game, were delivered, or seem to be all that neccessary for the overall plot, which made it come across as a bit forced if anything. Like someone had made a dungeon crawler with an internal plot and someone else wrote a story about a dead witch being dragged about by an uber loli then decided to just sort of tape them together based on some loose connections between the two.

>>15554283

What external program are you using? I may as well copy your setup. I'm on the patched .exe too.

I like the whole purgatory and "what makes a good person" theme, particularly because I'm an evil natzee. All of the violence and Dead Ends keeps it from being boring, if anything. The only niggle I've had with it so far was Velyna's lame death due to Luca sperging out about jumping the same gap Isara did when there was no context for her to do so.

>>15554352

There are definitely way better one's out there but this is the first one I stumbled on ages ago. It is open source, but apparently they're shilling optional purchases on (((steam))) now so I can't really vouch for it being a good choice.

https://github.com/Codeusa/Borderless-Gaming/releases/tag/9.5.4

Don't get me wrong about the story, I liked it and thought it was interesting, but it really is on a different page to the rest of the actual game. I would've much rather just had a VN or something about dronya's adventures in baba yaga's rape college and then had puppet sewer adventure as it's own game. The connections between the two do exists, but aside from ye olde soul/soma question arising from the puppets, for the most part they're pretty superficial. Especially considering how much importance is put on Dronya just because of some very significant emotional trauma when in-dungeon characters like Nico and his Numblebee boyfriend dying or Pecorino getting literally lobotomized by a bunch of psychopathic gnomes just get glazed over or played for laughs. Now I haven't 100% the game yet, but why didn't Luca just drop Isara into a puppet so Dronya and her can get back to scissoring instead of destroying the fucking multi-verse, I mean it's all Luca's fault anyway but still, the way souls work in this world really isn't very consistent. It also makes no sense that Luca's as energetic as she is considering both of her parents were fucking invalids but I'm willing to accept that as 'dude, magic, lmao'.

>>15506797

How do you know there aren't any translation problems? Did you play through the game in moonrunes, or do you mean it's grammatically fine without retarded ebin maymay jokes?

>>15554503

By 'major' he means 'At least they didn't rewrite the entire fucking script and replace it with kosher womyn friendly dialogue'. The translation is tolerable but it's definitely not great. Also there were multiple, occasionally system crashing, bugs on release but it hasn't tried to wipe my hard drive yet so it's not that bad for NISA. Basically all of this is discussed in the thread.

I haven't had any crashes up to the 4th area but I have lost interest. Enemies all either do no damage or one hit a character.

>>15554479

>Nico and his Numblebee boyfriend dying

Was this in the main story for that area? I totally missed it if so, fuck. I knew it was weird that I only encountered them at the beginning…

>>15554628

>one hit a character

Because you're probably in Moon Stance, it's a significant HP loss. But it's understandable, there's a gigantic gap between this and every other nip dungeon crawler and something like EO where you have to actually pay attention to everything and you're rewarded for doing so. In Refrain I just autoattacked for the entire game because I found some ridiculous legendaries in chests and my Mad Raptors could one round a boss.

>>15506737

>Wah wah NISA

Why would you ever bother with the NISA version in the first place? Just get the real game.

>>15559076

Yeah, it's pretty sad. Mezza even ends up being pregnant by pure magic, because yes.

The story is good but lost me with the endings, I don't understand anything, most of the stuff is depressing as fuck.

>>15555352

It's still made by NIS. NIS is still just as shit as NISA.

>>15560823

retard

Alright fellas I need you to tell me this: does the game have any form of monster collecting in it. I'm assuming not, but I just wanna be 100% sure

Alright fellas, gonna need you to tell me if I can collect monsters in this game, or is it just like EO that you choose from premade characters?

>>15562231

>>15562247

GODDAMNIT I fucking knew this would happen

>>15562231

>>15562247

Neither. You make your own characters out of a set of 8 possible classes (2 of which unlock later in the game) for a party of up to 40 characters at a time.

>>15562250

You know you can delete your posts, right? And no, there is no monster collection.

>>15537731

>>15537704

>>15538133

It's a he

>>15553998

Why don't you just use the mud exits to save every once in a while?

>>15572667

Looks girly enough.

>>15517180

also a mining site

>>15560831

As expected of a NIS cock sucker. Can’t even articulate a half decent response and can only regurgitate the same lazy bullshit.

>>15552555

What content did PC get robbed of?

>>15578742

I think 2 new dungeons and 3 new classes and i guess some extra story, i will be buying it in the vita when it gets a discount.

In case any of you anons are suffering lags during battle, go to options and disable battle voices.

>>15578842

Or just read the thread and use the patch that was handed out

>>15578886

Mine is patches but still lagging sometimes. Haven't tried disabling voices yet.

>>15560823

What's wrong with NIS?

just got to the gnome dungeon, and i have couple questions. is there a witch petition that lets me use items in battle? and is there a way to speed up learning donums, or do i just have to level up covens?

>>15584248

I don't remember if you have to do a witch petition to be able to do it, but you just press a certain key to give a coven special instructions for 1 reinforcement, which includes using items.

There is no way to learn donum, they're always unlocked from the start, different pacts just have different donum. Leveling up covens just lowers how much reinforcement they cost to have equipped.