/v/ - Video Games

>>15490544

Complexity, intrigue and unpredictability.

Fuck you, delete this thread. We literally have a general where you could've asked this.

>>15490544

Sandbox gameplay.

With the same issues of sandbox gameplay.

<You can do anything!

>There is nothing to do.

It's fun.

>>15490548

>Complexity

Obtuse != complexity

Having lots of numbers and tiny little things flying everywhere doesn't mean it's complex, their interactions with each other are supposed to be complex which isn't the case with Crusader Kings where pretty much everything barely touches anything else.

>intrigue

Oh please, there's as much "intrigue" as in Oblivion. All that matters is how much the dudes like you and how capable are they of kicking your ass. If they don't like you, they will send assassins and similar shit to fuck you up, unless they have a bigger army or allies so they'll send those instead. That's it as far as "intrigue" goes.

The only person with an actual goal is the player (and even then, only if you got the right expansion for it), everyone else acts exactly the same, wanting money and regions and that's it.

>unpredictability

You always play on the same map, with the same factions and the same starting conditions. Most of the random events are historical, which means they'll happen at a specific time in every playthrough. The game is awfully predictable.

If unpredictability was what you wanted, you'd be playing any 4X game at all.

>We literally have a general where you could've asked this.

You have a general where people circlejerk about how much they love LARPing as this nation or that nation. The gameplay is second to crushing [faction you don't like] with [faction you have a boner for] and that's all that discussion is there.

>>15490580

It's not even sandbox since it always starts in the exact same way and progresses in roughly the same way too.

>>15490544

At least in Total War your generals are strong independent women of color

>>15492109

Don't know about OP, but I based my opinion on my own experience.

I've tried Crusader Kings, Europa Universalis, Medieval Total War, CIV 4, 5 and 6, Endless Legend\Space, and many others.

You'll probably argue that "most of those are 4X, not GSG" but that's a moot point when we are talking about unpredictability or the complexity of it's gameplay, where any 4X trumps CK easily.

MTW doesn't do a very good job with it's economy, TBH. I found it too simple and boring, same for the politics. Even CK and EU do those fields better, but that's obvious since it's focus are on the battles themselves, so if that's what anyone is looking for, no reason to try CK instead of any Total War game, even the shitty ones are better at this.

In terms of unpredictability, you simply can't beat 4X games since the environment you are in is a new one every match and it's the environment that shapes your economy and your relationships with your neighbors.

Even when it comes to complexity, Endless Space \ Legend have so many different avenues of attack and so many layers just to get an economy strong enough to deal with your oponents, plus the changing seasons, that it makes CK seem like children stuff. It's not complex, it just looks that way.

Even when it comes to intrigue, I've had more tense games of CIV4 with it's spies, or any CIV game with the AI itself and their multiple personalities.

Meanwhile in CK everyone seemed to act the same way when they were under the same circunstances, reduced mostly to their traits.

I tried that game expecting a lot more from it and instead what I got was a blob building game with time gated diplomacy that barely did anything anyway. The only thing you have to worry in diplomacy is making heirs and that's it, everything else is optional.

And then I went to the threads here and the feedback I got discussing this was that "yep, that's what the game is all about, which is why half of it is trying to slow down your blob building efforts".

I get the LARPing aspect, but lets not pretend that's the only thing that actually keeps players interested in those games.

I miss Fitz.

>>15492246

Only CK and EU on that list are GSG, and theyre both entry level.

Try Vicky 2 and then we'll talk about complexity.

>>15492294

>Only CK and EU on that list are GSG

Good thing then that the discussion is about the appeal of CK2 and not the appeal of GSG, right?

And let's face it, the only difference between GSG and 4X is that you always start with the same map and every faction always starts in the same condicitios with a lot of it's story already written. It's no different than reloading a save from turn 300 into CIV, except that cities and regions only ever change owners, they are never destroyed or created.

>Try Vicky 2

What does Vicky 2 have to do with CK2? It might be a good game, but that's not really what we are talking about.

>>15490544

having sex with your 16 year old daughter

having sex with your enemies wife

having sex with your horse

making the horse your regent and heir

purging the world until only horsekind remain

>>15497497

>having sex with your 16 year old daughter

You can actually lower the age when you can marry and fuck them in one of the conf files.

>>15490544

For autists to pretend that Shitler triumphed.

>>15497780

>The appeal is relaxation especially if you're listening to medieval music while you play in bed or on a comfy couch

But there's much easier ways to listen to good medieval tunes.

>>15498151

4/10

>Smug anime girl reaction

>BTFO

>Autist as an insult

>Bumping the thread

Could be better but for /v/ standards its alright bait.

I only ever play CKII to try to do the dumbest shit imaginable, such as making a horse the Pope or trying to convert as much of the world to Jainism as I can.

>>15492256

this

>>15498494

Really fishing for (You)'s there.

>>15498059

The soundtrack that came with the game is shit. I mean I listen to medieval music in the background while I run the game with music turned off.

>>15498648

Share the music so your fellow anons can laugh rate your taste.

>>15498909

What a shame, i cant enter outside of burgerland.

>>15498909

If you want to find good medieval tunes but have zero domain knowledge, my suggestion is to look up the Cantigas and then branch out from there on JewTube/your suggestion engine of choice. Cantigas are songs written to praise the virgin Mary. They aren't hymnals but they are religious songs written for listening and so they are a little more "listenable." They also tend to be in the key of D.

Some other good shit I've listened to includes Swedish and English folk. There's a good song commissioned by the King of France to convince people to join the Crusades as well.

>>15499590

I know the cantigas, I have them from the 1230's on. I have much more than chants in there. I have secular polyphany, lute and flute, chanson, but its prevalence depends on the decade.

>>15490580

Just like real life, then.

>>15497780

basically this it's really just a game for soothing autism

>>15497725

it only goes from 867 to 1453 newfag

>>15490544

No amount of damage control will fix this, Ella. You'll be jobless within the next 2 years, you might as well commit suicide now to save yourself the pain of squalor and poverty, mindless SJW.

>>15500067

>implying that jew in the grass even knows the names of any video games she hasn't directly worked for

>>15500082

>Implying her (((focus group))) didn't tell her to come shill on /v/

The real question I have about this game is why the hell would anybody spend over 200 300 dollars (400 for everything currently on EU4) on a single game?

How the fuck do they get away with this shit?

I understand that the game is balanced around having the DLC as they are always changing shit with their "free" patches which fucks up everybody who isn't keeping up but come on

I really don't understand how the user base for this game hasn't withered away and died. who the fuck would think getting into a 300 dollar game that is only going to keep trying to charge you is a good idea

>>15497725

If you want to pretend that Castro didn't turn Cuba into a miserable shithole, you have 6 Tropico games to choose from. Otherwise, there's

>>>/leftypol/

Its autism and larping. Combine the two and you have a fairly fun thing for people with autism to do. Its really no different than factorio for instance. You (a low tier normalfag) would hate factorio after a while once you realize how meaningless it is. An autist sees it and the potential for optimizations down to a circuit network using binary. Same thing in CK2 where you see it as boring repetitive shit that never changes and the outcomes are always the same once you play a while. The autist sees it as historical larping from a terminal where they can pretend they have a vast lineage and power to cope with the fact reality has given them nothing. To you its boring. To them its fun. Once you understand this it begins to explain a whole lot more since you now are able to grasp what is fun for some is not fun for you.

CoD is fun for a chad and his drinking buddies

CoD is boring to you because its casual shit.

CK2 is fun to a supreme autist.

CK2 is boring to you because its too complex and you need to study game mechanics

Fortnite is fun to you because you have shit taste and are a normalfag

Fortnite is the gayest thing to everyone else because they have self respect

>>15500196

Most of their loyal fans have been with the game from the beginning so they're buying each expack as it comes out, like with the WoW fans. The rest put it on their wishlist and get it when it's 60% off or whatever.

If you get really good at it you can literally fuck your way to global domination

>>15500462

How many hours does that take? 3000? 4000?

>>15500469

Realistically somewhere between 60 and 120. Like a regular playthrough.

>>15490548

>Fitzthistlewits

Only jewtuber I liked.

I don't want to play grand strategy dolls cuck kings never interested me I played a bit and I just hate it. I've played about every gsg except HOI4, EU4 and CK2.

>>15492246

>>15500330

>larping

>digital game

LARP = Live Action Roleplay you stupid buzzword swilling faggots, there is nothing "Live" about this, just say role play.

>>15498909

>>15499833

>elitist shite

>Pandora

Normalfags leave.

>>15501459

If you want to be pedantic, the correct term would be roleplaying, but since that word is already taken by RPGs and means something entirely different here, LARP supercedes it to define the idea of roleplaying when it comes to videogames.

>>15500330

>Its really no different than factorio for instance.

It's so blatantly different from Factorio in it's design I'd say you're trolling with this sentence.

Factorio opens with little gameplay options but they are all centered around expanding and giving you more down the road. Half of what you unlock are more efficient ways of doing the same, the other half are entirely new things and tools to use that change how your base fundamentally works.

The fun in Factorio comes from the constant feedback between optimization and expansion. The more you expand, the more resources you have and the bigger your factory becomes, but this requires further optimization which leads to further expansion.

Meanwhile, CK2 has a bunch of systems running in parallell with each other, barely intersecting at all and when they do it's to clash and prevent one another from working.

And in the end, it's about accumulating the very same resources you start the game with, spending them in exactly the same way, with most of the same gameplay options all the time (just more targets) and the rest of the game trying to stop you from making a big enough blob to kill them all, up to and including your own court and the laws of your own country working against you.

If Factorio was like CK2, you would start with all the machines from the start, but there's only 10 of them at most and everytime you put one down, an alien appears around it.

Your resource aquisition would also grow linearly while you're resource expenses would grow exponentially as well. And in the end, you'd still be one guy carrying enough firepower to crack the planet, it'd just take longer than it should.

>>15500614

What the fuck?

>>15502389

Didn't mean to reply to you.

you get to "fix" history thats literally the main appeal of these games and anyone else saying otherwise is blatantly lying

>>15502764

But Paradox already (((fixed))) history for you.

>>15497497

>not making your own mod to remove age requirements for marriage while giving prepubescent characters a negative fertility modifier so you can enjoy having a harem of your own underage daughers without having your immersion shattered by pregnant 6 year olds