679dec No.15466027
>MGSV
>FFVII
>Half Life 2
>World of Final Fantasy
You get the idea. Be it boring. Overly linear or a fucking egregious hand holding tutorial that takes for fucking ever what game you love puts you off revisiting it because you think of how the opening puts you off?
pic/steve unrelated.
872b70 No.15466031
How the hell is the intro to FF7 what puts you off? That's by far the best part of the game.
8da882 No.15466032
Just download a savestate that starts at that point.
2a0e1f No.15466035
Divinity Original Sin 2 i guess. It has really long intro sequence.
8da882 No.15466045
>>15466031
Maybe he's referring to FFX.
>>15466042
Filtered.
412b52 No.15466049
KotOR 1 and 2. There are mods to skip the intro/tutorial planets or whatever, but still. Nice Steve you got there.
679dec No.15466050
>>15466031
exactly. i get through midgar and 5 feet later all the dying world stuff is replaced by shit that feels left over from when it was far more like FFV with a old timey village, a giant swamp serpent and a chocobo ranch. The dank umbrella style megacorp infiltration and Jenova escape horror section is the peak and all the shit from now to past golden saucer is a fucking slog, not even counting linear flashbacks.
>>15466032
My personal autism wont allow it, like savescumming its not an authentic 100% playthrough of my own choices.
>>15466042
Lets get this all out on a tray.
0b04da No.15466059
KH2 remains the king of this faggotry with the obnoxious 2hour+ prologue, and that's if you skip all the endless fucking cutscenes
serves me right for playing this shit game tbh
872b70 No.15466070
>>15466059
Everyone says the prologue sucks but if you ask me the part of the game that really sucks is literally everything before Tron. Going through every world twice wouldn't bother me that much if the first time through wasn't so fucking boring.
679dec No.15466074
>>15466059
i guess you could say the design wasn't very simple and clean.
8da882 No.15466076
>>15466050
>My personal autism wont allow it, like savescumming its not an authentic 100% playthrough of my own choices.
Well then, grab a beer snort a line and enjoy the 6 hour tutorial you ADHD ridden fucktard.
>>15466059
Persona 5s tutorial is like 6 hours until you get to actually play the game. Unil then it's just a VN. It doesnt bother me, because the story is detective like, kind of like Detective Conan which I loved as a kid, but it's not for everyone.
2ae5de No.15466079
8da882 No.15466088
>>15466079
Reported for spam.
7854dd No.15466110
>>15466088
Your post adds nothing to the thread.guess I can report you too
02ab78 No.15466115
>>15466088
>different people
>spam
3392ad No.15466127
Temple of trials in Fallout 2
8569d6 No.15466134
Probably any post-Gen 3 pokemon game. I also wouldn't mind trying a new build in Arcanum, but the first 5 hours of the game were an absolute slog for me the first time I played, so I don't think I have the heart for it.
8da882 No.15466137
>>15466110
f you think that way then go ahead. I'll take the ban unlike this ban evaiding faggot >>15466115
e67c2e No.15466148
>>15466079
>>15466042
>>15466050
I like how popular Steve is.
8da882 No.15466158
I changed my mind. I'm starting to like the NICE posting. I would even go that far to call it
NICE
579507 No.15466168
>>15466148
if hes popular, then why haven't I heard of him?
e67c2e No.15466172
>>15466168
You're hearing about him now.
65a94b No.15466177
>>15466172
Fucking got him.
17a18e No.15466182
>Played a little bit of Persona 3
>Lose save
I cannot see how this game is replayable given how linear it is. I maybe got halfway through and now I do not want to repeat all that shit over again just to get back where I was. I think the biggest putoff for me is how long it takes just to get to the first dungeon.
679dec No.15466197
>>15466172
fucking got him good
37994f No.15466209
>>15466059
>KH2 comes out
>it's a sequel to Chain of Memories, not KH1
>nobody fucking played CoM
>but everybody played KH1
>all the fans of KH1 buy KH2 and have no clue what the fuck is going on or who any of the characters are
60bcb0 No.15466211
>>15466027
I don't understand the FFVII mention. The beginning is great and puts you in action right away. Much more direct than FFV, VI, VIII or IX
441157 No.15466214
Can someone tell me what's up with all these cuckwind shills all of the sudden? It's like they are all over the place, trying to get everyone to play their shitty game like some sort of a cult.
37994f No.15466221
>>15466214
> cuckwind shills
What? I think you posted in the wrong thread, anon.
60bcb0 No.15466226
>>15466127
you know you can just run past the enemies right? I don't know how everyone always bemoans this, maybe they're trying to kill every single critter to get all the exp. I never bother with it anymore
8da882 No.15466230
>>15466214
Like he >>15466221 said
Probably just the bots crackin up. You know, Markov bots harvest, and whatever their input may be, that is what their output will turn out to be. Don't take any post seriously since it's possibly not even written by an actual person.
beep bop beep
061bac No.15466245
>>15466050
>My personal autism wont allow it, like savescumming its not an authentic 100% playthrough of my own choices.
Just play through the intro once and then backup your own savefile to use when you want to replay it.
6b8abf No.15466246
ca49e4 No.15466251
6b8abf No.15466285
lets get this out onto a tray
3581ef No.15466308
>>15466027
Any Mega Man Battle Network game.
>New Game
>Hold up, you gotta talk to all of the NPCs .
>Hold up, you gotta do the mandatory tutorial.
>Hold up, you gotta do a pointless fetch quest so we know you've explored this area. No, you can't explore other areas, fuck you.
>Repeat last for every new area.
cf4e2d No.15466338
you can skip the intro of hl2
ca95a7 No.15466431
f49e40 No.15466636
d2bbb1 No.15466646
1be256 No.15466677
any fucking game made within like the last 8 years really. Intros always do the thing where they give you your controls little by little because they assume so fucking little of the consumer now that developers piece feed you the ability to play the game over the course of an hour long intro. If the developers went with forced waling segments for their means of exposition instead of skippable cutscenes the games replay value gets cut in half out the gate too
1be256 No.15466689
>>15466338
>skip intro
>walk into a room and wait for NPCs to open a door
>repeat this over for a few hours till you get to stand in the last NPC chatting room
fuck half life 2
abd392 No.15466722
>>15466209
>not playing CoM in GBA before KH1
ca49e4 No.15466754
>>15466689
Half-Life had a total of 2 of those "locked in a room while an NPC talks"-scenes (the guy opening the door to the Lambda Complex for you, just before you get the Gluon Gun and the guy before the teleporter to Xen), and all of those were a maximum of like 2 minutes.
I would really like to know why they dropped the ball on Half-Life 2 so hard and had a scene like that at least every 30 minutes, and have them all be significantly longer than the ones in HL1.
HL1 had basically uninterrupted gameplay, unless you chose to stick around and listen to NPCs or watch stuff happen, while HL2 chose to break the gameplay up into little bits separated by "not-cutscenes". At that point I'd really prefer cutscenes, because at least I get to skip them and don't have to pretend being locked into a room and getting to throw props around is the be-all-end-all for videogame storytelling.
52a9b5 No.15466777
>>15466754
"Exposition", except retarded.
1be256 No.15466808
>>15466754
>I would really like to know why they dropped the ball on Half-Life 2 so hard and had a scene like that at least every 30 minutes
some fucking idiot thought this was "immersive" storytelling by putting you in a room and having people talk around you and you can't reply, and they always nod at the camera about how you can't reply too which ruins the whole idea of throwing you there in the first place. Then some journo type or some casual thought this was better than a cutscene and praised it. Then games like TLOU came out and went even harder on that by making you hold forward to slowly walk and listen to the exposition because 'WOW SO NATURAL, WALKING AND TALKING, I DO THAT IN REAL LIFE" and more studios started copying that method.
There's nothing inherently wrong with putting some story within the gameplay but if you have to actively slow the player down to make sure they listen to it you either think poorly of the player, or think far too highly of your own writing. It might be a design philosophy thing that's been lost with time in regards to thinking about players replaying the game and making a game more temporary in nature by it. People stopped talking about TLOU after awhile because there was nothing else to it once you finished it, the same thing will happen to TLOU2 which is relying on being a different kind of edgy to keep peoples attention because the gameplay will ultimately be mostly the same at the end of the day. Notice no new footage or trailers say "here's a new mechanics we've introduced" or something similar just people talking and acting somber followed by intense violence.
872b70 No.15466813
>>15466808
Gears of War was doing the walkie talkie bits way before Last of Us.
1be256 No.15466849
>>15466813
gears of war probably wasn't even the first but TLOU was just a recent super-popular example.
dc020b No.15466854
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15466209
I've been looking for this piece of music for ages only to find out it's from fucking KH? Fuck, I thought it was like Philip Glass.
c90071 No.15466855
>tfw you want to replay your life but you don't want to go through the really long intro
d550a8 No.15466864
>>15466754
yeah. this proves they didn't care about people re-playing the game at any point, they just wanted the best FIRST EXPERIENCE(tm)
11c2ca No.15466869
every JRPG I've played.
Maybe I can try savestates from different points in the game.
958746 No.15466907
>>15466884
Human Midan > Imp Midna
86049d No.15466937
>>15466907
People will hate you for telling the truth.
a7c51d No.15466955
>>15466027
not the intro specifically, but every zelda game has at least one dungeon that kills any chance of me replaying the game for one reason or another.
8cc99e No.15466964
>>15466907
Oh thank Christ there are others out there.
872b70 No.15466978
>>15466955
Even Link to the Past?
f783db No.15467009
>>15466027
>Intro of a game puts him off
Look at this wimp…look at him and laugh.
ebb1e7 No.15467024
83f421 No.15467028
>>15466955
WW's first dungeon was so bad that I lost interest on my first playthrough.
872b70 No.15467032
Is the site absolutely shitting itself for anyone else?
1be256 No.15467043
>>15467032
it keeps asking me to put captcha back in every other post which is pretty fuckin' gay
37994f No.15467120
>>15466854
How did you not know Dearly Beloved? It's one of the most famous video game songs.
>Fuck, I thought it was like Philip Glass.
Don't be ashamed, anon. It was written Yoko Shimomura, who's a famous and fairly well respected Japanese composer.
ddd1f3 No.15467190
I will not play any tutorial. If I can get someone else to clear the tutorial, that's fine. Otherwise I will not play the game.
33b2ec No.15467218
I guess it is kind of an overlong tutorial in HL2, given that it takes forever to finally get into the urban warfare parts of the game.
7c7036 No.15467246
>>15466049
>KoTOR 1
KOTOR 1's intro is comfy as fuck, don't know why you'd want to skip it. Being thrown into combat on the Endar Spire is fun and Taris is a nice planet with a lot to do on it, though admittedly it gets kinda stale when you're in the undercity portions.
09e574 No.15467287
Dishonored
>Meet a ton of uninteresting characters in unskipable cutscenes even worse than HL2s
>Gives you the most OP ability in any stealth game, the ability to teleport, right off the fucking bat which recharges its mana in 2 seconds
>Game constantly nags about how killing people, the only thing the devs have done right, is bad
I can't even tell where the intro starts and where it ends. You don't even get the core game mechanic (the powers) until like the 3rd or 4th level. Compare that to something like Dark Messiah A GAME MADE BY THE SAME DEVS. You have a tutorial that tells you everything and shows you what the game has to offer right off the bat. There is an extremely boring city sequence that lasts 30 minutes, then you get into the game. AND THE GAME DOESN'T BITCH IF YOU KICK A GUY OFF A LEDGE, USE ENVIRONMENTAL KILLS, OR STAB A MOTHAFUCKA.
b58c82 No.15467302
>>15466907
its sad that there arent any many human midan porn
872b70 No.15467306
It takes about as long to get to the first fight in this game as it does to beat the entirety of the first game in the series.
872b70 No.15467316
>>15467302
There isn't any technically speaking.
90b96b No.15467337
The HL2 intro is like 30 seconds long, wtf you on about
e3cf2f No.15467376
>>15467306
Jesus fuck, agreed. I truly regret not having a save point after that BS, but definitely messes with an otherwise perfectly fine game.
I still hate Keifer for what he did
872b70 No.15467393
>>15467376
I felt blueballed when he never ever showed up again and got replaced by a subpar stand in. Really that entire game's party loadout is just completely fucked. You only have a full 4 members for like half the game it feels like.
1be256 No.15467400
>>15467337
based off youtube videos on a competent run through it still takes about 20 minutes before you even get the crowbar
d98d70 No.15467433
valkyrie profile is probably one of the worst for this, the beginning is even a real tutorial they, just leave that as a text dump at the end of the first dungeon.
any modern game with those shitty walking cutscenes you can't skip also goes on the list
da415f No.15467467
895a05 No.15467480
Pretty much any RPG and Red Dead Redemption
a9b176 No.15467510
first 30 minutes sell the game
so they had to have that
13ce9a No.15467726
>>15466907
this midan must be an absolute sex goddess to challenge imp midna who is herself superior to her formidable human counterpart.
7c9a99 No.15467765
>>15466027
Fuck you. I thought there was some new Steve kino.
a44922 No.15467792
>>15467218
>overlong tutorial
to be fair at least it's strictly not a training center like what many modern games do; it had some story element going on.
70a98d No.15467865
>>15466907
You are like baby.
Human sized Imp Midna = Imp sized Human Midna >Human Midna >Imp Midna.
9799a4 No.15468155
>>15467287
>A GAME MADE BY THE SAME DEVS
You say that like ZeniMax didn't completely gut them of their talent ASAP.
679dec No.15468228
>>15467765
The KHNO thread will be properly labelled for viewing.
e76873 No.15468289
0ca459 No.15468381
>>15467865
>Imp sized Human Midna
3d76b5 No.15468817
f96792 No.15469555
>>15466027
The first level of Hitman: Blood Money
4511f5 No.15469579
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15466074
Fuckin love that song.
33b2ec No.15469697
>>15467792
I was mostly shitposting, since the implication is that the meat of the game is the the last 3 chapters.
Honestly I don't share the "HL2 is dogshit" belief that some anons have. HL2 certainly is overrated, but it's not terrible.
40c3ee No.15469746
>>15467865
Would you care to share some of this Imp Sized Human or Human Sized Imp pictures?
b796db No.15469830
e16132 No.15469838
>normalniggers know about Steve
one less thing for me to waste my time with
679dec No.15469863
>>15469838
Steve is KHNO for all you hipster, contrarian boomer.
40c3ee No.15469893
>>15469697
HL2 is a simple case of too many unfun gimmicks and boring enemies. Make enemies that are more fun to fight, or at least more fun arenas to fight them in, and cut down on the gimmicky crap like the keep off the sand section and the stupid, unnecessary physics puzzles (grav gun can stay though, that was fun) and the game becomes at least an 8/10. As it is, I'd call it a 6/10.
679dec No.15469915
>>15469893
>"le ebig gaben made du best shootah, so many deep ideas!"
>entire laborious section of 'the floor is lava'
stunning design, its not just that the gravity gun was TECHNOLOGY and the level design was fucking hot trash. Fun game but fuck the designers made it as a engine demo.
3e0a0a No.15469952
>>15469697
>hl2
>weapons are generic, boring, and few in number
>shit enemy variety compared to hl1
>enemies are absurd bullet sponges on hard mode and complete pushovers on anything below
>50 retcons
>shitty characters that often have no personality traits whatsoever, see eli/alyx/mossman
>glorified tech demo with a gimmick every chapter to make up for lower enemy/weapon variety compared to hl1
>not terrible
after tweaking all damage and health values to make it a balanced and challenging experience it can be fun but still inferior to hl1 and with a shitty storyline and a universe that had potential but ultimately nothing done with it (which has nothing to do with the episodes because anything resembling combine control was over by the time ep2 started)
lackluster story & characters, lackluster gameplay, it's shit.
753de9 No.15470363
>>15467287
The game was not shit at one point.
>magic abilities cost health, not mana
>teleportation was different (can't remember how, think it costed more or came up much later)
>bethesda sees a good game being made
>decides to ruin it
also
>caring about what NPCs cry over
1be256 No.15470426
>>15470363
>>bethesda sees a good game being made
incompetent playtesters are largely to blame
872b70 No.15470433
>>15470426
Who do you think pushed for those incompetent playtesters?
1be256 No.15470451
>>15470433
I don't think they intentionally push bad playtesters, this i consider a case of just complete misunderstanding of player bases. I don't think bethesda suits clap their hands together and say "go find 15 crackheads and legally blind people off the street to play the game because fuck arkane studios" but rather they still think a handful playtesters are representative of an entire playerbase
872b70 No.15470468
>>15470451
>I don't think they intentionally push bad playtesters
They do. If you actually give them any sort of mindful or intelligent feedback you will be ignored and blacklisted.
1be256 No.15470474
>>15470468
got any evidence of this? Assuming you're being serious I would like to see some examples of something actually malicious like that
872b70 No.15470481
>>15470474
I have no evidence because they keep things wrapped tighter than Ft. Knox with this kind of stuff. If you want definitive proof then go apply for a playtesting spot one summer and see for yourself. Nothing I've said is an exaggeration.
f57c5d No.15470482
>>15470474
I think I read some anon actually posted about it, that play testing was just a show for some game companies as a way to validate and push their ideas with play testing just being a rigged to give the results they wanted.
1be256 No.15470489
>>15470481
>If you want definitive proof then go apply for a playtesting spot one summer
No thank you, I have a real job
>>15470482
It's hard for me to believe because in my head it goes against trying to please the customer to get more money
2d941d No.15470492
>Half Life 2
Nigger, just use a save state or increase the in-game speed.
1be256 No.15470500
>>15470492
using an exploit to skip the intro just proves that the intro is shit.
872b70 No.15470501
>>15470489
>in my head it goes against trying to please the customer to get more money
2d941d No.15470503
>>15470500
Yeah no fucking shit but that shouldn't keep you from playing the game.
1be256 No.15470505
>>15470501
sometimes I forget that I live in a clown world
1be256 No.15470512
>>15470503
yeah, the fact HL2 is actually pretty bad should keep you from playing it. This thread is about the idea of replaying anyway and long winded intros and bad in-game exposition is evidence of lots of developers taking the replay value into less and less consideration
84316a No.15470541
>irenicus' dungeon in baldur's gate 2
Oh no.
3e0a0a No.15470564
>>15470503
it keeps you from playing the game when you remember how mediocre it is in the first place
2d941d No.15470598
>>15467765
I knew what it was yet I still clicked on it.
4abcc0 No.15474528
>thread reminds me I had TPP pirated a while back
>give it a shot
>30 minutes of staring at some bald fuck and crawling on the ground, while all the cute nurses get killed and turn out blurry when I tried looking at them
>Finally some gameplay
>Nope, five seconds later we gotta have some more fucking cutscenes
I swear whoever directs how the story should be told in the MGS games should be shot.
Great gameplay, great mostly everything, EXCEPT for the way the stories are told. Fuck cutscenes and fuck pretentious cunts who think themselves above gameplay.
4cca71 No.15474573
>>15466907
meh, depends on the artist
24842c No.15474585
>>15469697
Oh look, it's one of the vocal autists you were talking about
>>15469952
7854dd No.15475245
>>15474573
Nope, Imp Midna is trash.
And don't even trrry to change my mind by posting more.
a09afc No.15475258
>>15466907
She's good, but imp midna snuck into my heart without me noticing one day and never left. Both her looks and her character. First video game character I had a crush on tbh.
7ac8c9 No.15476922
>>15466031
probably because the first half of the fucking game is the goddamn intro
fb0630 No.15476967
33f650 No.15477004
>>15466059
>>15466209
This is honestly what turned me off to it. I couldn't get involved in the story whatsoever, and I haven't touched the series after I beat it.
a50454 No.15477011
>>15466221
Morrowind maybe?
70a98d No.15477068
>>15468381
>Being confused by portable people.
You are also like baby.
>>15469746
It's too advanced to exist in this universe it can only exist in your mind.
bf09d9 No.15481926
>>15467306
I have legitimately tried this game from the start no less than three times, only to rage quit after not seeing a fucking slime for the first hour and a half. If this is any indication of the rest of the game, it has got to be the blackest stain on the Dragon Quest franchise perhaps ever.
473cf9 No.15481943
>>15466035
nope, you can finish the ship part in less than 5 minutes if you know what you're doing
872b70 No.15481944
>>15481926
That's nothing compared to the shard hunting or characters going in and out of your party without warning and taking all their shit with you, key items included.
4dcea2 No.15492831
>>15481943
If you're a faggot who abuses meta knowledge sure.