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The remaster didn't die because people were tired of it, it died because it was a shit remaster. All of the old cheatengine tables worked, new bugs were introduced, and nothing was actually fixed.

Their new game hasn't gotten the big souls buzz, but it isn't a souls game. It might've gotten more publicity if it were nippon souls, but I don't know if the remaster got people off the souls train.

Not once did I fund the appeal in those games. What exactly draws you in? The atmosphere? It was mediocre at best, go play something else. The combat? Absolute trash, go play something else. The lore? I bet there's something better out there.

>>15463238

Its not just the remaster but the original as well has experienced a massive drop off. If the remaster were the only issue people would go back to the original with DSfix.

>>15463250

Except they killed the servers for the original and pulled it from the steam store so you'd have to use a private server to play online, which means you wouldn't be using steam.

>>15463257

530 players in the last 30 days according to steam.

>>15463174

>No webm

Fuck off.

>Dark Souls Remaster is dead, like 800 peak users or less nowadays

>source: my ass

>>15463272

https://steamcharts.com/app/570940

come on man

Consider that DSII shit the bed and turned a lot of fans away, Bloodborne (not a Souls game entirely, but mostly) was on PS4 only and DSIII is pretty divisive, its no surprise that people have got off the train. Maybe if they held off DSII for another year it would have been a far better game, but can't expect publishers to funnel millions more towards a game when its already been through development hell. DSIII switched engines midway through development and is just a Bloodborne clone at that point, except now its press roll every second.

Demons Souls and Dark Souls were great but the series never really evolved beyond those Demons Souls mechanics. The Souls game are fun but mechanically inferior to a heap of other games which is why Sekiro will be interesting as its going full character action with even some stealth. Them being inferior and generally the same game each time burns people out and grows tiresome. Matthewmatosis does a good job of explaining this in better ways, they became creatively bankrupt so ran out of interesting ideas and encounters, like many boss fights in Demons Souls being unique, to just having you fight sponges that flail around and have hyper combos that you must mash the roll button to get through.

I'm not surprised the games are lackluster, Miyazaki doesn't like sequels and arguably did enough with Demons and Dark Souls, but the publishers dragged more out of From. With other games on the market such as Nioh, which completely blew Souls combat the fuck out on its first try, Bayo 3, DMC 5 etc. its no surprise people are tired and moving on to better action games as the Souls series devolved into even poorer action games.

>>15463296

2 is such a sad case. It’s like for everything good there’s something equally bad. You get some awesome looking levels, but they are short and linear. You get some awesome builds, but the game cripples you by item placement for the first half of the game. Some neat bosses, but most have a gimmick or they rely on spamming lesser enemies at you.

I think my biggest issue with 2 is the weapon and armor placements though. In 1 you could get a good amount of armors or weapons right from the get go if you knew where to go. In 2 you basically get a fire short sword and if you beat an optional boss a slightly decent set that requires specific stats to wear that you build may not account for.

>>15463296

I thought PvP in late-game DS2 was far superior to DS, even if single-player component was a disjointed mess with shit enemy placement.

>>15463289

>poor mans Bloodborne aka Dark Souls 3 has over 100k higher peak than the others

Hows that?

>>15463291

>Steam

But Dark Souls 1 released on PC years ago and every steamfag already bought it. Also, everyone knows remasters are more for consolefags since they're not/semi backwards compatible nowadays.

>>15463318

Dark souls 1 isn't doing too good either playerwise

>>15463310

>most have a gimmick

You must hate Dark Souls 3 then.

>>15463299

Yeah, when they announced the remaster I was actually pretty excited, but they shit the bed harder than I could imagine. They managed to do even worse than they did with Scholar. At least when that came out, they didn't nuke the original DaS2 from the marketplace and cut off its online.

>>15463318

Because even a poor man's Bloodborne is a better game than souls.

>>15463321

The only gimmick DaS3 bosses have is that they're all big knights with big glowy swords.

>>15463318

I imagine it’s because DaS 3 is a lot more approachable and was pretty popular on release. It also isn’t a bad game, but it is a bad Souls game. Really, it reminded me of something closer to Ninja Gaiden or an action game along that line with how little your armor and weapons actually mattered and how quick they made the gameplay. Shame because I like going through my first play through as a tank but the game really didn’t allow for that or any sort of build options.

>>15463333 (Impressive)

Lothric was a gimmick but it was a damn cool fight.

DaS3 was all about those 2 stage bosses, though.

Princes, Nameless King, Soul of Cinder, Watchdogs

>>15463349

You know what, I think you’re right and I’m limping in some gimmick bosses from 3 with 2. For instance, I thought the giant and storm ruler were from DaS2. I also forgot the giant skele was a boss from 3 as well. They were neat bosses, but after beating them you realize just how underwhelming the fights are. 2 just pulls a lot of pullshit with throwing several bosses at you at once as a way to kinda fudge the difficulty.

>>15463360

Sorry for the messy post, my lack of sleep is getting to me.

Waiting for Nioh 2

>>15463372

If they up the enemy variety by a ton I’ll buy it day one… considering it builds off the foundations Nioh 1 built. I really enjoyed Nioh but when I realized I had basically seen 70% of the enemies in the first level it really curbed my enthusiasm and kept me from buying the game.

>>15463379

Pretty sure they will. They said something along the lines of "we listened to criticism and we know what we are doing this time around" and that was the main criticism everyone had. That was the only fault I found with it as well. People also said the level design was bad but I actually enjoyed it. Not sure exactly what they didn't like. Plus the combat is just so damn good.

>>15463383

Let’s hope they were listening to the right criticism and not listening to (((journalists))), but I guess we’ll see soon enough. Seems like a lot of games are finding their footing again recently so maybe we’ll have something new to enjoy soon.

>>15463383

It's b/c chonger dojos surrounded by cliffs get boring after playing three of them, yet nioh had a hundred of them. It's something I fear going into sekiro.

>>15463383

Niohs appeal is also its crutch. Its japan in the 1800's, specifically. Sure its as fictional a japan as Shinobi's but you can't really pull the 'time is convuluted lol' response to world design.

The Surge used near future so it could fuck around with stuff like giant flying drones to move shipping containers that have gone feral/berserk for example. Can't really do the same in a 'real' real world location.

Which is ironic considering Nioh has even more fantasy bullshit than Dark Souls when you summoing a flaming shiba out of your katana to take down a slutty shinto priestess summoning giant lightning dogs. That sounds more like a digimon spin off than a bloodborne clone.

>>15463395

I think my biggest issue with Sekiro is that it just doesn’t look that good. Graphically it looks subpar, visually it looks washed out, gameplay looks like Nioh, and the gimmick hook arm looks half baked, especially when Tenchu did the same thing but didn’t limit what you could hook onto by specific points. I’m really not feeling that one.

i enjoyed nioh but really prefer the open world approach to the level based one… The world just feels better, and it is more convenient if you want to revisit something

>>15463395

That's like saying castles or the outside of castles/other large buildings gets boring in souls games.

>>15463174

>So have people finally tired of the idea after a decade?

Yes, casuals have lost interest in a non-casual series after it went to shit.

It's a shame it happened, but the low effort clones and From's incompetence were to be expected.

>>15463247

>What exactly draws you in?

Half decent difficulty and combat.

Consider how trash CoD and Skyrim are with their core gameplay before repeating "go play something else", the industry standard is incredibly low and the Souls series was noticeably better.

>>15463262

People who already bought the game still have it obviously, also that guy saying the servers were pulled is wrong. I literally got into a game against the gaping dragon with someone called rage0989198183418910. Don't think that's an npc.

>>15463272

Lower than 800 now iirc.

>>15463360

2 literally throws like 20 enemies at you and calls it a boss. Congregation something, it's fucking autistic. 1 is by far the best in the series, but 3 has the smoothest and most enjoyable combat and fucking omnidirectional movement

>>15463414

Yeah, 2 reminds me a lot of Ninja Gaiden 3 in that regard. Making something tedious does not make it difficult.

>>15463418

2 is trash in all regards honestly. Shit bosses and too easy. Magic is the best in 2 sadly though.

>>15463414

>2 literally throws like 20 enemies at you and calls it a boss.

Totally unlike Deacons of the Deep, Pinwheel, and Celestial Emissary right.

>>15463296

Dark Souls 3 tried to copy Bloodborne so much but at the same time wanted to stick to more Souls-like slower and meticulous style of combat. What Bloodborne did right was getting rid of shields, introducing rally mechanics, trick weapons and gun parries. You can't just copy that into Dark Souls and expect the same results. Aggressive Bloodborne-like enemies are great when you can be equally as aggressive yourself. Bloodborne was all about aggression and Dark Souls was not and combining those two together is not the best idea and DS3 suffers greatly because of that. It's still a better game than DS2 but nonetheless leaves something to be desired.

>>15463431

Deacons of the deep and pinwheel are both autistic fights. That doesn't mean that 1 or 3 are bad though. Not sure what celestial emissary is as I haven't finished ds1 yet but if your point is that 1/3 are worse than 2 then I have bad news for you buddy. you're gay

Not to mention ds1 has around 20 odd bosses and 3 has about 19. 2 on the other hand has just over 30.

>>15463247

The original Dork Souls had almost everything come together from feel to lore to controls to some amount of challenge at a time where everyone else was fully on the accessibility train to retardville. Sadly, the game almost immediately starts being out-scaled by gear and the challenge is completely gone after the first few hours. At its most embarrassing point, you wind up almost one-shotting gaping dragon because of how ridiculous your guy will have become by then.

But the scaling is probably what led to it becoming a huge hit rather than all the other hard games that are forever niche. Normalfags could grind through the first few hours then go on to easily beat the game, then show their friends that accomplishment which their friends who were bounced by the first few hours would be super impressed by as they'd think the game gets harder. It gave the reputation of being able to do the hard stuff without actually having to be able to, perfect for the social media generation to wear as a badge.

>>15463434

I’d say the problem with DaS3 is not that you can’t be equally aggressive, but rather, you HAVE to be equally aggressive. I don’t mind that playstyle so I was able to deal with it better than others, but it sucks the game didn’t consider the slower, more methodical gameplay styles. If you tried to play the game as a tank who watched for openings at all you wouldn’t get very far. The build options are so limited that you’re basically going to be streamlined into one play style by the end of it. It’s still a better game than most, but is far closer to an action game than any form of rpg. The neat thing about DaS 1 and 2(in the late game) was that you could basically play them how you wanted with the proper build, weapons, and armor, but in 3 that’s all but done away with.

>>15463403

They did in DS3. 1 and 2 at least mixed it up with interesting shit like spooky forests/hell/pirate town etc.

>>15463431

Pinwheel is an odd one. Because it could potentially be the second boss players run into, but most don't as the graves and catacombs are clearly more overwhelming than going to the Undead Burg. So players will arrive there much later and Pinwheel will be a joke.

Deacons isn't too good but serves a purpose, that Aldrich is gone and you have to look elsewhere for him. You show up expecting your first big fight but his coffin is empty and a large group of his followers are there to try and stop you.

Emissary isn't too good either but has some awesome visuals and music.

>>15463442

Celestial Emissary is the boss found in the Upper Cathedral Ward in Bloodborne. Overall it's rather lackluster fight ike the majority of horde bosses in the Soulsborne series. However, it's still more polished than the Prowling Magus and Congregation, the god awful Royal Rat Vanguard or the Skeleton Lords. You can cheese the fuck out of the Celestial Emissary with shaman boneblades though.

>>15463457

2 has some great settings, but the weird thing is they felt like they were all in a small box. Something about them just didn’t feel organic beyond the fact that they lacked shortcuts and weren’t interconnected. The pirate town was about the only level that instantly comes to mind as one that looked and felt good.

>>15463472

2 was weird as fuck, like they had a lot of good ideas for locations but couldn't figure out how to lay out the world. Still better than 3s straight line to the end game but loosing the metroidvania aspects is pretty much why neither of them ever reached the level of 1 to me.

>>15463379

>but when I realized I had basically seen 70% of the enemies in the first level

That's not even close to accurate. The first level has only humans, and two types of youkai. Three if you get a rare kappa spawn.

>>15463398

Nioh 2 could easily get around that by setting some of it's missions in the youkai otherworld.

>>15463475

Yup, I very much agree.

>>15463470

I got confused with the Emissary and Living Failures.>>15463462 Living Failures are a lot better than Emissary.

>>15463475

2 was a different game or at least far from what a Souls game should be originally. Its director was changed midway through and they had like a year to try and fix the mess. DSII is very much like DMC 2. Its still impressive they managed to do something halfway decent while also having Bandai breathing down their necks to make it le difficult XD.

>>15463452

True to that. I started DS3 as the herald class equiped with spear and shield and got properly buttfucked by the wandering lothric knights before I switched to using straight swords for the rest of the game. DS3 may have more weapons than Bloodborne but it feels for me like it has way less build variety. Every trick weapon felt unique but like in the rest of the Dark Souls series most weapons in DS3 have copy-and-paste move-set with some small adjustments and thous felt samey to me.

>>15463475

When first playing dark souls 2 I went in completely blind and seeing all the fog doors in trees in the start I figured they were going back to demons souls style levels but with world trees or something. I ran straight past the fog gates because of it

My problem is the direction the series is heading in if they continue it.

Dark Souls had weighty combat that felt satisfying.

2 came along and somewhat fixed PvP by giving lots of complex options while fucking it over at the same time (soul memory and being invaded while hollow is retarded), and shit all over the PvE (enemies begun to ignore the rules you're bound by and have unlimited stamina while your iframes are tied to a fucking adaptability stat), worldbuilding, general game mechanics and even art direction. DS2 also has arguably the most boring boss battles in the series, the game itself is kind of bad.

Then Bloodborne came along and fucked over PvP while making PvE perfect. Without shields the game became more engaging, the speed was complimented by the health recovery from attacking and lots of the weapons felt incredible.

Shame it's stuck on PS4, I tried to go back but I can't stand the framerate, it actually makes me feel nauseous.

Finally DS3, which kept the speed of Bloodborne but removed the mechanics which complimented speed. Enemies still had unlimited stamina, only now they were rapid screeching autists.

The PvP is improved over Bloodborne, but still worse than DS2.

PvE though feels second worst in the series, only beating DS2. Especially for slower weapon users, where some bosses are flat out unviable (twin princes for example, you can perfectly roll through a combo with your iframes and before your first attack lands he's wound up another attack that is guaranteed to hit you immediately after your attack connects but before you're given a chance to roll). And in the DLC where they just decide to throw down more and more multi-stage boss fights and overly anime juggling bullshit (I'm looking at you Sister Friede of the unlimited stamina fire and ice invisible stop looking at my deviantart Kevin).

I want souls to stay dead unless they're willing to take the best of 1 and Bloodborne: slow the combat down once more, give enemies fair amounts of stamina and reduce the amount of weapons available while increasing their use.

>>15463484

Living Failures is a pretty cool fight but I feel like their magic meteor shower should come from all directions instead of just one. Now you can simply turtle up behind the tree or hide behind the Loch Shield. The Old Hunters had some great bosses and the Living Failures simply pale in comparison to them.

>>15463484

It always sucks when a publisher or developer mistakes what difficulty in games actually is. Ninja Gaiden is considered pretty darn difficult, but it’s fairly easy so long as you are paying attention and know the enemies openings. The bosses have some intense patterns, but when you begin to know the bosses and break the patterns the game doesn’t make you fight them any longer than you need to. All these things could also be said for DaS but taken to an extreme if you are built like a glass canon as you can just 1 or 2 shot everything.

Then we jump to games like DaS2 and NG3 where they just throw a ton of enemies at you at once, give them a ton of health making the a nuisance to deal with, and making each one have an awkward attack pattern or not having a recognizable pattern at all. It’s worse when you get to the bosses as they are more of a test of your endurance than skill. You may have their patterns completely memorized but now you gotta wear your fingers out going through the paces 9 or 10 different times.

>>15463238

How exactly was it shit, other than some lighting differences?

>>15463484

I'm aware of the whole B team thing but DS3 wasn't really any better so i'm convinced it's mostly bullshit. The real thing i think that fucked over Dark Souls was the release schedule. You can't just pump out a series that fast without becoming creatively bankrupt and it really shows. They really should have given the games a couple more years between releases.

>>15463492

I missed em too, honestly DS2 sorta did go back to DeS style, just with 4 paths outta town instead of a void.

>>15463508

>Then we jump to games like DaS2 and NG3 where they just throw a ton of enemies at you at once

DS3 pulled that shit just as much with even less enemy variety, i'll give you they had less health but they had infinite stamina which made it arguably worse.

>>15463512

The lighting differences ruin the atmosphere of almost every area and make most of the armors and enemies look significantly worse than the originals. New effects like the fire bright up areas that were much darker and in some cases it looks like entire textures were removed/changed to worse versions like the gaping dragon for example.

>>15463528

All the Dark Souls 2 and 3 enemies have infinite stamina.

>>15463528

Eh, perhaps we put different weight on health vs stamina. I think it’s much worse to deal with an enemy that overstays it’s welcome. For instance, those knights in the second area of 2 annoyed me to no end. They weren’t difficult as you could easily parry them, but you had to do that 3 or 4 times before they’d die. Compare that to the centipede’s in 3 that just seemed to have an endless attack once they got started. If you approached them right you could off them in one hit though. Irithyll was the worst of both worlds though.

>>15463550

I might be sorta biased as i played a strength char in 2 and you could 1 shot almost anything in armor once you got your hands on a powerful blunt weapon. While in 3 a lot of the time you just had to wait out the attack animations of enemies before you could do anything, the big guys in the undead town for instance. It doesn't matter that much though as in both cases it was making needless changes to something they got right in 1.

>>15463557

Eyup, I remember how hype we were when we all thought 2 was just going to build off 1. Oh how wrong we were, then we get to 3 and it’s just a weird Frankenstein of all the previous games.

Shame Bloodborne will never get a proper port or at the very least a patch to make it run properly on the ps4. I like it well enough but man does it run like crap for what it is.

>>15463574

Those have been on my backlog forever. Maybe I’ll make that the next series I go through once I’m done with the Mega Man X games.

>>15463574

>they should have just made a new King's Field

*Armored Core

>hurr memegame

>I'll just call things I don't like "meme" and this proves that it sucks

>implying people arent still playing Bloodborne

OP go choke on a dick.

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dat shit look hot tho

This isn't reddit where you can just edit your posts. Accept your grammatical mistakes

>>15463626

Looks piss easy, holy shit. Why are the enemies so slow and over telegraphed? I actually kind of like the character design though. Might try it out.

I'm hyped for Tenchu Souls. Nuff said.

>>15463650

I know right, check out this shit game. One hit and the boss loses half it's health on top of being a slow fat piece of shit that can't hit anything behind it. Don't even get me started on the basic mooks in that area either, they're super slow and only take two hits to kill with your starting equipment.

>>15463333

>I don’t remember DaS3 having many gimmick bosses

Every other fight was a gimmick, what are you talking about?

>Curse-rotted greatwood

>crystal sages

>abyss watchers

>Wolnir

>Deacons

>Yhorm

not even going to touch the DLC.

>>15463693

Your comparison is retarded. That is the tutorial. The enemies are meant to be pushovers and the boss is there to teach you the plunging attack. The vid in >>15463626 is of a level 5 hours in. But not even the pushovers in the DS tutorial are as slow and overly telegraphed as the ones in that video.

>>15463719

dont forget the ones that werent were reskins from bloodborne so PC only users thought they were fresh and new e.g vordt of the boreal valley is bloodstarved beast in a suit of armor and ice instead of poison.

>>15463662

I'm tentative about it. I'm happy that they're finally moving on from Souls and the more action direction they have taken with subsequent entries will flourish better in a dedicated action game. However, Nioh did Souls combat better than all of the Souls games combined on their first try. Sekiro is also coming out right alongside DMC 5. I can't see it not getting beaten by better games.

>>15463450

You know you can just equip worse gear if the game is too easy right? and folks complain about a lack of difficulty options in this game…

>>15463379

That's bs, besides all the bosses there are tons of different enemies which you all need to know how to beat unless you wanna die.

>>15463452

but why would you build anything in DaS1 and DaS2 besides armor+STR?

>>15463693

>tutorial enemies that have literally no armor whatsoever

>literally the first boss

Play the game and find the graveyard first.

>>15463976

Because making the game easy isn't always fun.

The remaster was a fucking atrocity, and Sekiro looks like uninspired trash. The Souls games are basically 3D metroidvanias, and not being able to play dress-up, make your own character and collect loot made a lot of people pretty sour.

>>15463295

I don't understand why people like Nioh so much, the combat really isn't that enjoyable, and it's about as janky as The Surge. Plus the environments sucked and the mission structure was pretty lame. Having an interconnected worl is a lot nice. Hopefully Nioh 2 improves on those things.

>>15464646

Wrong post, sorry.

>>15464427

There was Nioh, which is more like a modern Onimusha and even though many compare it to souls games, the only thing about it that is similar to souls is the level up system and he fact that it's an JARPG.

>>15464797

I like 2, but my favourites will forever be Demons Souls(nostalgia) and Bloodborne(setting and fast-paced combat).

>>15464646

Although I don't think that Niohs combat is janky in any way, it's the opposite, it's very fluid. I think a an interconnected world would be nice. It's probably the best to send constructive critic like this directly to KT. I remember when the first beta for Nioh 1 came out they changed alot of things people criticized like the bloom, enemies being damage extreme sponges and stuff.

>>15464797

>2

>best

>not literally worst

what in gwyneISAY WHAT in gwyneveres name made you think this depressingly colored, no-darkness, no red eye orb, shitty netcode piece of shit qualifies even as "good"? i mean shit son they sold the same game TWICE splitting the online playerbase and not even actually fixing the shit they were supposedly going to fix after not putting it in the game in the first fucking place

and dont even get people started on the magic flying volcanoes and horrid level design

>>15464851

>the only thing about it that is similar to souls is the level up system and he fact that it's an JARPG.

Come on now. There is quite a bit of similarity. Dropping amrita on death and going back to pick it up, resting at shrines that reset the enemies etc. It's not a bad thing to emulate souls in certain aspects as long as you build on it, which Nioh did with it's combat systems.

>>15464985

>Dropping amrita on death and going back to pick it up

That's what I meant with lvl up system.

>resting at shrines

Really? Every RPG has somehing like this.

>reset the enemies

The majority of games do this. Otherwise you could just cheese your way through every single one of them.

>>15465029

You're missing out.

>>15465077

Resting at shrines resets your healing items and spells. You level up your shrine with kodama instead of kindling which allows more healing items in the area. Been a while since I played so having a hard time remembering other things but I'm sure quite a few other comparisons could be made.

>>15465132

Lots of games have places where items, HP and MP are automatically refilled. This really isn't really something exclusively to souls games. The only thing souls really invented is the soul/blood echoe system.

>Been a while since I played so having a hard time remembering

Same here. I bought it on release and havent touched the dlc. I find it disgusting that Steam gets them for free while I have to pay for dlc. Nioh 2 is a day one pirate for me.

>>15463489

>Every trick weapon felt unique

Oh yeah, the saw spear was so fucking unique from the saw cleaver.

>>15465178

You're missing the point. Of course many games have some of these elements in them but I doubt you can name 5 that have all of them.

>>15465224

This is the age of instant gratification. You are expected to learn enemy patterns for the most part. People don't want to waste their time playing video games. They just want to win.

>>15465224

I'll see your bait and raise you a measured response

>Checkpoints fucking everywhere

They're not fucking everywhere, they're usually placed in areas that can only be accessed after getting past certain trials or enemy encounters. I will concede that some bonfire placements are pretty questionable, though.

>Free unlimited supply of healing items that refresh at every checkpoint

They're not unlimited; at most, one can expect to have 15 to 20 estus charges on hand, but that's at "end game" when the player has acquired all of the estus shards/fire keeper souls.

>No actual penalty for dying

There is a penalty for dying; when you die, you will drop all your souls on hand. If you die before you can acquire them again, you will lose them. This is akin to punishing someone for their bad behavior. Imagine if your father decided he would revoke your "right" to eat dinner if you don't beat little Jimmy's ass during the upcoming boxing match. That would add insult to injury, wouldn't it? Well, losing your souls is a very similar experience, given that they are both your experience and currency, with which you may purchase useful items, upgrade weapons, and increase your attributes.

>Enemy AI is absurdly predictable

Predictability does not necessarily make one's performance or reaction time any better than they would be had one not known what's coming around the corner. Predictability only informs your corresponding behavior, and is not any more helpful than watching a video guide on a certain boss battle before actually attempting it oneself. At best, such information will merely reduce the amount of time it takes for one to "get it" and learn what to do; you'll still have to actually perform to achieve success, though.

>If you are still somehow too retarded to get past something you can just summon another player to do it for you

This only applies in the event that you choose to play the game online. If you're offline, you're shit out of luck; even in that case, you can still grind for souls to level your weapons and attributes to the point that the most recent boss challenge will be reduced to a trivial endeavor.

>>15465234

Then why buy video games? It's like buying a soccer ticket and thinking it should guarantee your team wins.

Might as well just watch movies at that point.

>>15465279

Well I mean with the videogame they do get to win. They just get to say how hard it was afterward as well.

>>15465323

it shouldnt be baffling at all, do you think the world revolves around you?

>>15465323

>someone else finds this game hard but I find it easy so it must just be piss easy for everyone!

>>15463174

Why are redditors allowed in without any report?

>>15465489

>000000 didnt realise this is a meme subreddit

>he thought an exodus really happened!

>>15463512

The multiplayer was reworked so twinking was possible but they fucked it up even worse then soul memory.

Out of all the DaS games, the first had it the closest to being fixed but they continued to fuck it up worse in every iteration.

Also you know killing the Old version which at the time still had an active player base.

>>15465178

>This retard again

Nioh in all forms is a souls game, I'm not going to argue about it with you again for hours.

You want it seperated from Souls because you are upset if it doesn't get viewed based on its own merit but you lack any self introspection so you don't realize that, and can't just say that.

So you perform mental acrobats do convince yourself that if quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck, its a dog.

>>15465594

no the vinheim dragon school is jews

>>15463379

>>15463383

It’s not being directed by the same fag ruining DOA6, is it?

>>15465724

>You want it seperated from Souls because you are upset if it doesn't get viewed based on its own merit but you lack any self introspection so you don't realize that, and can't just say that.

No, I just think it's more of a Onimusha "clone". Which isn't a bad thing.

>>15465800

As many devs, they fell for what their overseas department says and they're fresh hired out of commiefornian colleges and think Twitter SJWs reflect their fanbase, which isn't the case.

>>15465081

No, they're shit. /v/ only likes shit, it can't bear anything else.

>>15465896

But you are /v/. What the fuck are you on about?

>>15463452

>>15463434

The problem with DS3 for me is that it is stuck in the middle, it doesn't go far enough in one direction or another to be comfortable with itself. Bloodborne's faster combat was great because it fully embraced it, ditched poise entirely because face tanking damage was something you should not be doing in that game, and all armor sets are effectively light sets with very little meaningful differences between them. I only find myself swapping stuff for Fenzy resist, and maybe poison resist if I really want to. Demon's Souls should have had poise but you can't blame them for their first attempt at their formula. You just didn't wear heavy armor and all was good (the game had very few armor sets to choose from anyway).

Dark Souls adding poise really was the best way for them to make heavy-as-fuck armor viable for use, so DS3 not having (real, proper) poise for their heavy armor feels like a regression, as opposed to a return to the past (or a matching of Bloodborne's mechanics).

>>15463744

How is Vordt anything like BSB? It sounds like you're just trying to relentlessly suck BB's cock like so many other faggots. BB is alright, but it has to be one of the most overrated games of this gen. The fucking torrents of unnecessary praise that game gets is insane.

>>15465224

>Aside from casuals and journos

That is the answer though, and marketing.

>>15466084

>Demon's Souls should have had poise

Not really. The enemies aren't all that fast or aggressive overall, so needing the stagger resist isn't so essential. DS3 however really needed the DS1 poise system since most enemies can chimp out on you with near instant attacks, making slower weapons way more of a pain to use.

>>15463238

>Their new game hasn't gotten the big souls buzz, but it isn't a souls game. It might've gotten more publicity if it were nippon souls, but I don't know if the remaster got people off the souls train.

I think there's some general confusion in the casuals between Sekiro and Ghosts of Tsushima, which are both being kind of tentatively considered "souls"-like games. From really should have layed on the "Spiritual successor to Tenchu" advertising angle, rather than "remember us, we're the guys who made Soulsborne" - though it's hard telling if that would have increased or decreased the amount of buzz around the title.

>>15465724

>not going to argue again for hours

Wait… Are you the faggot who went on a tirade a few months back about how the souls franchise is the pinnacle of action RPGs?

"Souls" games aren't a genre, idiot, they are called action RPGs. If you want to split hairs further, the nips refer to the specific subgenre that has a lot of unique deaths as "Mascore," or masochist core/hardcore masochism.

The semantics doesn't change the fact that Nioh outdid every Miyazaki action RPG in every conceivable way. On their first try, even!

You will be on suicide watch when Nioh 2 releases and Sekiro flops due to it being a strictly action oriented game, losing the faggot playerbase that clung to "muh skill souls"

All the from souls games are piss easy, by the by

>>15466914

>not bonfires

>what are inns, towns, tents, fountains in regular RPGs

>not souls

>what is EXP?

>projecting

That's nice, dear.

>better loot system

What loot system?

There were no rarities to items in Miyazaki trash, only prescripted low drop rates for ebinlore items versus weapons and consumables.

>diablo loot was the sole allure

Actually, the allure for me was the deep, engaging, and rewarding combat. The stance system along with customizable weapon skillsets really shits all over miyazaki combat.

But I am sure you didn't even know about stances, let alone flux mastery.

>endlessly copy/pasted

Not as much as you'd like to think

>muh seamless world

Dick souls 2 would like a word with you, so does Demon's souls

The game is designed to be mission based, faggot. If you don't like the idea of missons or quests, maybe you shouldn't be playing any type of RPG, action or no.

If a "seamless" connected world is your selling point, you have shit taste.

>music wasn't as good

Okay, now I know you are just baiting, and are still as retarded as you were a few months ago.

>>15467042

>spending hours using trash weapons to pass on traits

>he doesn't know about whetstones

>in the new games your doing the exact same missions over and over again just a little harder with the occasional new mission sprinkled in.

That's literally what a NG+ is. It's the same game but with higher numbers and more enemies.

>Yeah they didn't, DaS did,

DaS gave up on the interconnected world halfway through the game, and just gave you a hub level with 4 missions you could do in any order. It's almost like Fromsoft figured out that a mission based structure was the superior design choice halfway through making the game.

>>15467182

>Only thing that applies to is anor Londo.

Anar Londo is halfway through the game. You beat fast&fatty, get the holy grail that lets you fast travel, and then the second half of DaS is mission-based with a hub world. It just pretends it isn't.

>>15467264

Missions being locked behind items that you only get from other missions rather than just being locked behind other missions directly doesn't mean they're not locked missions.

>but you can get confused and think you're supposed to go into the catacombs and get buttfucked by skeletons way before you're ready for it

That's called poor level design.

>>15463475

>>15463472

2 was going to have a DaS1 style interconnected world and the option to not have to get four lordsouls or a million soul memery to get into the Shrine of Winter, but time and budget constraints happened. The reason shit doesn't make any goddamn sense is because they didn't have time to make the various areas connect like they wanted and just threw them together by difficulty. Earlier versions of the game actually had leftover mapdata that were early/alternate versions of areas that had more than one entrance and exit. All the unused content got patched out when SotFS hit.

>>15463512

You can hack any spell into a lightspeed homing shot that passes through all walls and fucks with another player's stats when it hits them. Since that player's stats changed, they get banned for hacking. The remaster is complete trash.

>>15463549

Not technically true. They have visual tells and different animations when their stamina is emptied that you will never see in normal gameplay. If you hit them with dark orb or lifedrain patch after they perform a combo you might be able to see it. They just regenerate stupidly quickly or have completely retarded amounts like the Hammer Drakekeeper's roughly 60 million stamina not even fucking with you. If you cheat engine their stamina to negative and lock it there, they can't attack. It's completely there, like it was in DaS1, but it's balanced terribly.

>>15465323

Imagine the hardest game you played is Call of Duty, where you can literally win by putting the controller down or by just walking to a checkpoint while your AI teammates carry you. Dark Souls doesn't let those idiots do that. It kills people who don't try. To those people, who have never played a game that required effort, Dark Souls is the hardest shit ever.

>>15467454

>he's so retarded he forgot how post linking works

wew

>>15467486

>implying

This is an anonymous imageboard, all he needs to do is leave the thread and he'll have zero regrets.

Daily reminder that DS2 is the worst game in the series.

>hides iframes in a roll behind a stat

>gimps rolling into one of two categories

>changes invisible walls from hitting it to pressing A in front of it AND DOES NOT TELL YOU THIS

>most boring bosses in the series, nothing but dudes in heavy gear

>forgettable, boring and somewhat useless NPCs with boring questlines

>soul memory, diminishing health with every death and being invaded while hollow provides a negative feedback loop that only hurts new/inexperienced players that now get pooled with minmax no death nerds for some retarded reason

>give enemies infinite stamina, unlike the previous game where they were forced to play by your rules

>somewhat ugly art direction that looks worse than the first one

>terrible level design and poor worldbuilding that leads to confusing transitions

>Scholar shits out more enemies randomly even if the placement doesn't make sense, they're thrown together as if they let the work experience kid copy and paste enemies across the map

>due to bad level design there can be moments in the game where you don't know where to go

>black gulch existing, at all

>all multi boss fights are extremely forgettable, unlike ornstein and smough. Facing off three enemies at once should be the highlight of the game, not just another bullshit fight

DS2's only saving grace was that there was a lot more freedom in PvP. But like people have said they split the community with releasing the same game twice.

>>15463174

Dark Souls Remastered > Bloodborne: The Old Hunters Edition > Dark Souls III: The Fire Fades Edition > Demon's Souls Remake (currently in developement by Bluepoint Studio) > Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin

As a hardcore Soulser, these 5 games are mot than enough to keep me satisfied for many years to come. I am glad From Software and Miyazaki are keeping it fresh and focusing on these 3 amazing master pieces:

- Sekiro Shadows Die Twice

- Armored Core 6 // Reboot

- "A weird game that will polarize our fanbase" - Hidetaka Miyazaki

I am sure eventually in 2022+ we will see a Bloodborne II or Dark Souls 4, but for now, From Software is doing the right thing.

Of course, those who want some more Souls games, they can try these decent-good Souls-wannabes:

- Nioh: Complete Edition

- Nioh 2

- Code Vein

Avoid any other Souls-wannabe, they are garbage, especially Lords of the Fallen, Lords of the Fallen 2, The Surge, The Surge 2, Immortal Unchained, Ashen etc. All these western Souls-wannabes are dogshit, a waste of time and money.

Soulsfags are adult versions of FNAF fags:

>Cares more about the deep "lore" that was actually just made up on the fly to add color and isn't part of some autistic master plan in the 'genius' directors head.

>Watches other people play the games more than they play the games themselves. Parrots the opinions of whining speedrunners and challenge runners rather than for their own opinions on the games.

>>15468675

>cares more about deep “lore”

>almost the whole thread talks about gameplay and the subtle changes to it that ruined the later entries

>cries about other people parroting opinions

Oh the irony.

>>15467292

>wanders into high level area behind low level area

>bad level design

yeah except not really, there are plenty of people who can literally walk through that entire area, summon that one npc and kill pinwheel as a level one and then end up with divine weapon in about ten minutes that is way too overpowered for being ten minutes in.

The catacombs is the peak of human ingenuity.

>>15469135

kill yourself shitskin

>>15468768

Dark Souls is shit but The Spurge is like Dark Souls but even shitter.

>Huge fan of the Abyss Watchers and practically everything about them

>feel like a fantastic side quest and story was wasted by being your first Cinder boss

>Majority of the Black Knights could've easily been replaced by wandering Abyss Watchers since it would make a fuck ton more sense

Sadly the most fun I had was when you could invade players fighting bosses as the purple phantom due to a glitch. Trying to juggle the aggro from the host's groupies, the boss, and the host himself was always intense. It felt like this was how the Mad Phantom was supposed to play as instead of a literal recolor of nothing.

God damn they keep dropping the ball on the Covenants hard. Just give us a creationkit-like Mod Tool so we can fix it ourselves.

>>15465930

No. No I am not.

>>15468768

Dark Souls Remastered is the definitive version od Dark Souls 1, it is the best version with proper 60fps.

>remastered multiplayer is dead

And? What is your point? If you play Souls games for the online or PvP, then you are a low IQ subhuman.

>oh nevermind its satire

Said the PvPfag, kek.

>>15469686

>more bugs

>ladders dont force you into the ground now but you do glitch the fuck out on them more than in dsfix that's just physical appearance and has no effect on gameplay but it's still autistic

>an additional 40-60 whatever currency you use, or use dsfix which is free

>lighting is worse

>previous bugs are not fixed

>textures are literally the same and again, not worth the price it offers when you could just use dsfix and not have a shitty version of it, pirated or not

>If you play Souls games for the online or PvP, then you are a low IQ subhuman

If all you want is 60fps just get dsfix, better graphics, better frames and it doesn't add more bugs without removing the previous bugs.

>>15469740

I have both DaS:PTDE+DSfix and DSR and have tested and compared them both.

DaS:PTDE+DSfix doesn't have true 60fps, it is a hack attempt which introduces many glitches, micro-stuttering and framepacing issues. DSR has proper and true 60fps with no framepacing issues or micro-stuttering, it is smooth and flawless.

Lighting is not worse, it is far better. The fire effects are also better. The spell effects are also better.

Some textures are worse, yet some textures are better, this part is a mixed bag.

All in all, Dark Souls Remastered is the superior version. It was a good move to remove Dark Souls: Prepare To Die Edition from Steam, they should do the same for Dark Souls II, because Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin is by far superior.

>>15469831

This is bait.

this thread is the darksouls of threads

>>15470509

You didn't refute anything I said, because you know I am right.

>>15469831

The fires do not look better. The Bonfires look like a regular camp fire now instead of the mystical twirly fairy shit that they were before. The implication that they aren't just any regular bonfire isn't there anymore making it look bland, just like everything else that came after Demon's Souls.

I have over two thousand hours across all these games but by the time the DLC for DaS3 came out I was completely burnt out, haven't even tried it. I assume that it must be the same for people that weren't nearly as obsessed with it as I was too, it just gets old after awhile.

>>15463462

>Emissary isn't too good either but has some awesome visuals and music.

I think you're thinking of the Living Failures

>>15463174

In all honesty, the multiplayer aspect has always been the worst part of any souls game, everybody goes for whatever gimmicky, minmaxed build is available and turn the PvP into a slodge of people either one-hitting, spell-spamming or stunlocking each other. "Git gud" doesn't cover it, it's no fun going up against the same shit over and over and over again, even if you yourself end up using those gimmicky builds, the novelty wears off insanely fast and PvP gets old really quick, so it's not a surprise that the game isn't getting players as of late.

Now, regarding the singleplayer, it remained consistently fun but it also wears off once you play through a number of times trying to test different playstyles. That is, of course, if you don't count the second one because fuck everything about that poorly constructed mess. I'm also convinced that Miyazaki wasn't exactly keen on making a series out of the souls games. While the jump from DeS to DaS was made to work around sony's legal constraints, the way each sequel works leads me to believe that he only wanted to make a single experience and then try to move on to the next.

This is pretty apparent when you compare the experience between DaS1, Bloodborne, and DaS3: the first one features a pretty tight focus on defensive playstyle, Bloodborne ditches defense for fullblown assaults and the third game features the awkward in-between that feels right to play yet features quirks that stick out like a sore thumb and are a clear indication that Miyazaki didn't really want to leave Bloodborne behind. The fact that stages have audiovisual themes that repeat constantly are also an indication that Miyazaki didn't want to move away from the comfort zone, either because he didn't want to or because he didn't foresee that the game would end up with sequels.

Personally, I like the series but I certainly see its shortcomings, and honestly its stagnation was sort of the indication that the series would eventually fade out, and seeing that Miyazaki has moved on we can take that as a fact.

>>15470592

Can't embed for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2eos3V7jTI

This video shows many comparisons. Nearly everything looks better in the original. The lighting completely ruins the atmosphere of almost every area and the textures are worse by far. Not even going to argue beyond that because it is so blatantly worse that if you can't see it you never will.

>>15470514

A thread that pops up and dies and inches closer to a reasonable argument until someone actual wins the thread and everyone moves on to the next meme thread to repeat the process?

>>15467103

>It's almost like Fromsoft figured out that a mission based structure was the superior design choice halfway through making the game.

>superior

Then why is the second half way worse than the first? More like they got lazy and didn't want to try and connect everything else to the main hub.

>>15465224

Because people confuse "punishing" with "difficult". With the punishing part here not really being your death as much as it is the amount of damage you take when you fuck up.

>>15463247

>something else

>something better out there.

Like what? What's something that does everything these games do except better?

>>15470600

Your headcanon about bonfires is irrelevant. The fires from both bonfires and torches look much better, I am glad they changed it. Dark Souls and Bloodborne aren't bland, they are far superior to Demon's Souls, even in atmosphere.

>>15470636

I've watched the entire video and only in 20% of the scenes does the original look better, 40% looks the same and 40% the remastered looks better.

The remastered lighting looks much more realistic and immersive, the original is a bit cartoony and fake, too dark for no reason.

>>15472319

>I have no counter arguments, better make a shitpost with the picture of some ugly fat subhuman that resembles me, I must project!!! yes, hahaha, this you!!!

The Remaster gets a lot of shit, but it should get at least some praise for making the online more stable.

Does no one else remember the frustration of original DS1's netcode? Not seeing any signs, being unable to invade, summon signs failing or not appearing at all, etc. It used to be fucking miserable to try and play this game online.

>>15472459

https://youtu.be/LXRrpdYlgrY?t=2

>>15472448

It gets shit from wannabes, memekids and people with a low IQ that jump on bandwagons and follow what their YouTube wannabe e-celebs tell them.

True gamers recognize that the stable true 60fps with no framepacing issues and no microstutters (problems that the fake 60fps hack with DSfix has) automatically make Dark Souls Remastered the definitive version of the game.

All the other small improvements are just a bonus.

>>15463174

>lasted a decade and sold minimum of 4 full games

>meme