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On that note:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dawn_of_Eldar

You'd probably find one in Warlords Battlecry 3. There are 17 races so balance would be near impossible.

On top of that, you have heroes you could level, which means you can combine hero abilities with certain races to completely wreck the balance.

The simplest build is an Empire Merchant. He makes everything cheaper and generates infinite gold. The Empire race can use said gold to hire instantly built mercenaries to drown the enemy in fodder units, they could also use gold to gamble and get ahny high level unit from any race. The best part is those particular random mercenaries aren't limited by the upkeep system so you can drown your enemies in literally infinite units.

>>15460331

The Dark Elves Assasin say hi…

With the premium to assassination from race and with attack speed build you would kill everything on handed. I always find it funny, u could one hit a fckn dragon.

MY POWERS ARE YOURS NOW MY POWERS ARE YOURS NOW MY POWERS ARE YOURS NOW MY POWERS ARE YOURS NOW

Fuck eldar players and I'm glad they suffer that endless earrape.

>>15460331

The best way to build your hero in this game is to just make him absurdly strong and have him turn the game from a strategy game into a hack and slash.

>>15460460

The Eldar Stronghold in Dark Crusade was comparatively tame to be honest. The Tau stronghold, where Krootoxen and greater Gnarlocs cam for surprise visits every other minute was much worse.

As was, for that matter, the Chaos stronghold which presented you with a fucking Bloodthirster while you still were busily building up your base.

>>15460611

The Necron stronghold was probably the easiest tbh, but Chaos wasn't that bad either, at least as IG.

>>15460611

Oh it wasn't the Eldar Stronghold that caused me a headache, it was the generic area before it. Strongholds were always easy, it was the fuckhuge maps that were fortified to hell that left every inch of the map strewn with bodies. Me and a Chaos AI had somewhat equal caps around a huge map and it kept sending heaps of Defilers and Bloodthirsters at me. We duke it out in the middle of the map with both sides trying to gain ground. I eventually won because it ran out of resources to feed it's army, but the AI's main base was utterly ridiculous. 5-6 HQ buildings all in one place and surrounded by so many fucking turrets that I had to rebuild my attack force twice trying to get at the HQs. It was hell.

Fuck all Warhammer games and the tabletop game. Games Worship are fucking Tau/Eldar fanboys that just suck eachother off while thinking about more bullshit to add to their preferred factions in the next edition.

Meanwhile the only good factions out there, Orcs and Tyranids get either ignored or nerfed with each edition despite being in a struggling place as it is. Despite giving stupid amounts of money over the years to the plastic jew I quit when a GW employee told me (before they came out) that the genestealer cult couldn't freely ally with the nids.

I don't give a shit if they've apparently fixed droppodding beefy units like Carnifex in the new edition, fuck this series.

>>15460742

>>15460460

>download a big mod for DoW (Titanium wars)

>gives everyone more units, Titans and shit, overall pretty fun

>encounter Necrons on a perfectly normal map

>suddenly old tactics stop working as they spam gorillions of units (that they proceed to res mid-battle) as well as the fucking C'tan

>literal trench warfare happens – factories chugging out units 24/7 while builders spam turrets as fast as they can before next necron wave comes

>every wave of necrons ends up in mutual annihilation, both armies dead nearly to a man and all turrets fucked

>over the course of house, slowly gain ground. Not by control point, but literally metre by metre, slowly pushing the line forward, frequently getting thrown back

>finally capture some of their control points, starve them out, and emerge victorious

>tfw it took me over a dozen hours to finish that one shitty battle

I know how your pain, anon. I also think I have experienced the genuine reality of IG's brand of warfare. Only I don't think IG ever lost like 50 titans and 100 baneblades in order to kill a hundred C'tan

>>15460769

are you done bitching?

>>15460885

>Only I don't think IG ever lost like 50 titans and 100 baneblades in order to kill a hundred C'tan

Well according to Soulstorm a hundred Baneblades getting lost in rounding errors is no big deal

>>15460935

No fuck anyone who playes Tau or Eldar.

And FUCK anyone who plays Taudar.

>>15460769

>he gave the GW jews his shekels

you have only yourself to blame, anon

>>15460982

accounting is hard

>>15460982

>anything getting lost in mathematical errors of any kind

That's what happens when you declare computers heretek and ban them so you gotta do all your math on the mechanical equivalent of an abacus or a retard-savant with all his limbs cut off.

Dawn of war forget which one necron.

You could spawn flayed ones right in their base, its was I did to win the campaign.

>>15461099

Cheesiest shit was just buying stealth suit honour guards as the Tau and casually walking into the enemy base

>>15461126

Cheesiest shit was to play IG and just nuke the enemy HQ with Earthshaker Rounds

I miss dawn of war 1

>>15461154

SHATTER THEIR SKIES

>>15460769

Hope you like your little figurines you fag.

>>15461157

They are dirty knife ear lovers that's why.

>>15461154

>I'll pay you 300 power to fuck off

>>15461157

Bitching about dark elves is okay but the high elves are pretty fun. Skaven do need a slight buff, something to keep AI Skaven factions alive for longer.

>>15461191

Fuck off, without those little figures there wouldn’t have been any video games in the first place.

40k video games, I mean.

yes.. so it is that there toons are strong.. but it is nonetheless that the best race is the one u have fun playing.. so wtf is ur point

>>15461154

That's nothing compared to surrounding their base with basilisk platforms and then mercy killing them with the basilisk magnus in UA.

The Rebellion in Empire At War and the Consortium in the expansion. Empire was seriously underpowered in both games and the Consortium could 1v2 in most situations because of how retarded OP their units and heroes were

>>15462074

That's not Conflux.

>>15462087

Conflux is only good for midgame, the units are trash, and the faction relies on spells spells spells, which are swingy at best. For the most consistently good faction, you can't go wrong with Dungeon

>>15462111

that everyone kills your faction on sight because it's widely considered to be overpowered is kind of a counter in a weird way

only works in multiplayer though

>>15462111

What is a good starting point for the dominions franchise? I want to play them.

What are good strategy games to have a big skelly army?

Do any strategy games have a slimy tentacle alien "Lovecraftian" faction?

>>15462182

4 is good if you get if for cheap but the meat of the game is playing in multiplayer, and most of the multiplayer community has moved on to Dom 5. It's a good series if you can stand the autism.

>>15462183

Dominions has both of these things.

>>15462217

Sounds interesting. 4's a good starting point you say?

>>15460305

Poorly written article that just looks at units one by one in a vacuum and ignores how they relate to other units in the faction or to other factions. By far the best factions were always Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines due to having the best early game opening forces (couple tac marine squads and commander, throw in a couple heavy bolters, kite and shit all over the enemy), they would be able to trim down their enemies with harassment at the start of the match and suppress them from ever building up. Every small map game went like that, if you went up against SM/CSM as anything else you'd get fucked.

In large map autism games regular Space Marines were still the best due to GK+Chaplain rush being uncounterable. And if you really want to go full autism and say "no rushing allowed" then Orks are the best due to their superior lategame power, SM if the SM player can pull off a strong enough economy to do dreadnought drop spam.

In no situation are Eldar actually very good, but it's easy to see how bad players (such as /tg/) would think they are.

>>15462241

don't listen to him, the turn-based system was flawed because it forced everyone to be incredibly autistic about what exact position their army formation was because they had to count the number of squares they needed to move to land the first hit, and 5 got rid of it. it also made spellcasting more retarded.

there isn't much of a reason to play the older games, it's the same thing but with a worse interface and less content. unless you are really short on cash

>>15462241

Yes, 4 is a pretty good starting point. The biggest changes from 4 to 5 are that the combat resolution becomes simultaneous instead of an I go/you go system, the way blesses work was changed, and another type of resource to recruit troops was added called recruit points. For the most part the factions and core game are the same. I'd recommend pirating and playing around in single player to see if it might appeal to you. I bet there are some nice videos around on the internet for beginners, I learned by getting fucked in a halfchan steam group years ago so I don't know any personally.

>>15462241

Now that I think about it, if you're going to be a piratefag, you may as well pirate 5

>>15462617

>>15462337

Looks like a small dev worth supporting. I think I'll pick it up next paycheck.

>>15462245

Eldar suck in maps where you can match and outpace the Eldar before they can setup their webway gates. The crux of the Eldar being OP and why I mostly agree with that article is the webway gates. A decent Eldar player abuses the freedom of webway gates for all their worth. That changed with Soulstorm, I am thankful for that.

>>15462957

Literally spam these to win

>oh no both the main guns got knocked out!

>self distruct while flying right up to the enemy ship/station

>>15461960

The Jet Tengu/Striker VX combo was nasty. To be fair, Jet Tengu got raped in record time when they faced anti-air/anti-vehicle units (depending on their mode) and the pseudo-helicopter was fairly expensive for what it did.

>>15462245

If you want to complain about Space Marines, complain about Scouts with insta-kill Sniper Rifles. On the other hand Space Marines were weak against early vehicles because their only counter safe for slow-ass Dreadnoughts were Tac Squads with Rocket Launchers - which have poor accuracy and a laughable long reload time. At least Chaos got Pink Horrors.

And you basically lost against Eldar the moment they had enough income to spam Banshees against you, unless you managed to get early vehicles on the field.

>>15463420

>The Jet Tengu/Striker VX combo was nasty. To be fair, Jet Tengu got raped in record time when they faced anti-air/anti-vehicle units (depending on their mode) and the pseudo-helicopter was fairly expensive for what it did.

The breaking point for that combo is unlocking the advanced rocket pod upgrade, once you have that there's not much that will stand in the way of even a modest group of those, since it makes killing infantry with rockets reliable enough and does better for hit and run.

>>15463420

I thought a common strategy for most teams was to rush to vehicles.

>>15461156

everything after Dark Crusade was a mistake

especially Company of Heroes, fuck that piece of trash.

>>15461960

Isn't Rising Sun considered to be subpar in competitive Red Alert 3? yes there is a RA3 competitive scene

>>15463681

> since it makes killing infantry with rockets reliable enough and does better for hit and run.

I remember that quite a bit differently. Even with the rocket pods, a swarm of choppers would get slaughtered by Javelin Soldiers or Flak Troopers. Although they were painfully effective against vehicles and structures.

>>15463696

Depends on what you're playing against. The availability of anti-vehicle infantry is the crucial point. Space Marines and the Imperial Guard, for instance, only have very lackluster versions of that (good luck killing anything with either rocket-armed Tac Squads or a Laser Heavy Weapons team), and then you have armies like the Necrons who start shitting out dedicated tank hunter (i.e., Immortals) before you even have your first vehicle out.

>>15463807

The only thing I recall is that Rising Sun had no anti-air infantry until Uprising, and Uprising basically is a collection for units which were hilarious overpowered but the designers decided to ship them in a single-player campaign anyway.

>>15462337

>>15462241

>>15462617

>Get Dom4

Just get 5, they're iterative, each one just adds new just to the base game.

>>15463861

I remember that quite a bit differently. Even with the rocket pods, a swarm of choppers would get slaughtered by Javelin Soldiers or Flak Troopers.

Unupgraded ones struggle very hard against even single infantry units, I think to the point where a group of ten chopper can't kill a single AA infantry without losses, upgrade makes it so you can kill small groups without losses which is helpful against unprepared opponents/AI.

> is a collection for units which were hilarious overpowered

Not to mention they added a couple exploits, the Hammer tanks is basically invulnerable vs ground because of it.

Also this fucking whole thread

>>15463865

>each one just adds to the base game.

I am extremely skeptical in current year+3, but I am pirating so no problems here. I'll pirate 4, and 5. Thanks for info anons.

>>15462056

>Germans in nearly every american-made game

Living proof that the good Germans moved to the USA.

>Not to mention they added a couple exploits, the Hammer tanks is basically invulnerable vs ground because of it.

How so? I remember they could leach life/weapons with their special ability, but that is little compared to the Giga-Fortress one-shotting entire armies, or the Future Tank nuking air units because of how large its AoE was when you had it on max veteran level.

>>15462019

They were still pretty fun though. Also what do you mean the Empire was underpowered? They had the best space ships in Empire At War, and they were still viable in Forces of Corruption.

>>15464853

please, be skeptical and do pirate, but you will find that if you like this type of game, then you will like these devs because they tend to only take steps forward which is incredibly rare nowadays. there are more changes in the jump from 4->5 than most other dom games and that worried me when it came out, but i was pleased with just about every change. from what i understand the devs are swedish anthropologists and were never "game developers." the game sprang out of their interest in anthropology and they're very uncomprimising in their portrayal of other cultures and their mythology which hilariously enough means that the nation based on old jewish religion is incredibly barbaric

>>15465565

they're also OP as fuck in Medieval 2 Total War, at least the Teutons are

>>15466515

That's because cavalry in Medieval 2 is OP.

>>15460460

Oh, I remember..fucking Eldar and their perma-invisible buildings. Forcing you to bring units that can reveal Stealthed units (which in the case of the IG, just the damn Psyker). Sure, the Nekrons have that revival bullshit and the Nekron Lord's invincibility thing…but fuck Eldars, man.

>>15461960

Rising Sun ain't even that OP. Allied Units are strong from the word go.

>>15460982

Dude, the 100 Baneblades have gone off to serve as ammo in Creed's bolt pistol

>>15466604

They are; however, some of the strategies rely on specific races. I also remember one OP strategy was to exploit the fact that everyone hated blight except the goblins. So you would turn everything into blight, and exploit morale loss in your enemy.

>>15460302

GDI from original C&C. NOD could completely fuck your shit up in early and early-mid game, but after GDI got its war machine up and running it would be GG no re. This becomes more evident when you have to do the missions without base building and limited units, the NOD campaign is on a higher difficulty and is more tedious because of their shitty units.

>>15460769

>the genestealer cult couldn't freely ally with the nids.

I thought they were attached to nids.

>paying GW for plastic garbage

That's your own fault. 3D print that shit.

>>15467672

>cloning vats

Haha, forgot about those.

>>15463420

>On the other hand Space Marines were weak against early vehicles because their only counter safe for slow-ass Dreadnoughts were Tac Squads with Rocket Launchers - which have poor accuracy and a laughable long reload time. At least Chaos got Pink Horrors.

>And you basically lost against Eldar the moment they had enough income to spam Banshees against you, unless you managed to get early vehicles on the field.

If you let the enemy get that far you've fucked up. Playing as Space Marines you should start locking down the map and killing their troops and suppressing them almost from the start of the game. Contain them and add more forces and build resources while suppressing their ability to expand and whittling them down until you can comfortably destroy their base. They should never be able to build vehicles due to lack of resources and if they do, they should only be able to get a couple out, with no support, and you should have tons of troops by the time they do to overwhelm their vehicles.

Standard multiplayer RTS strategy on small maps. Get map control while suppressing enemy expansion and growth. Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines happen to be the best at it in DoW.

On larger maps you just rush Chaplain and Grey Knights and wander over to an enemy base. Even on big team games this is a viable strategy because it doesn't cripple your economy or slow your development (the way a Tau rush does), it's easily sufficient to wreck one or two enemy players at once, and it basically forces their entire team to contend with your forces leaving the rest of your team free to take over the map or head on over to the now-undefended enemy bases. The Chaplain + Grey Knights combo is absurdly powerful - you can build them fairly early in the game and between the Chaplain's hefty regen bonus and Grey Knights' health and damage, it's very hard to take out with the forces another faction could have available at that stage in the game.

>>15462183

obligatory homm3

mount and blade had a homm-themed mod that also has all the skeletons

>>15467672

What's worse is that these weaknesses are even covered by it's units.

>I'll just mass infantry to counter mind control!

>genetic mutator converts all infantry in a huge area to brutes under your control

>I'll just send in some stronk air units!

>gattling cannon/tank/boat are the top deeps anti air options in the game

>due to windup becoming crazy strong they tear through kirov's like it's nothing

That said, it is interesting to play against in the campaign.

>>15467672

I guess the problem with him is that it was supposed to be a Campaign only enemy but they never felt like addressing the inherent balancing issues. Though if you're playing on Teams he gets much more even because you can use different factions to counter his shit.

>>15460302

>Howling Banshees

At a LAN a long time ago, I complained to a friend who played Eldar that it was a race for retards, because all he had to do was rush 2 howling banshee squads + amove and the opponent had to outplay the shit out of them to even stand a chance. He responded by challenging me to do it. So, we started a new match, I did nothing but two howling banshee squads, literally amoved his base, and he was destroyed. I laughed at him and told him his race is for retards, and he never played that game again with me.

>>15466957

In defense of the Necrons, if you just take a couple of anti-heavy weapons you can kite them forever because just about every main troop can outrange theirs.

>>15467616

>I thought they were attached to nids.

I also thought so, although there would be an in-universe explanation in that the Tyranids eat EVERYTHING during a planetary nom'ing. Including the Genestealer cultists. The guys in charge now about this, but the average cultists thinks that the "Great Old Ones" from the stars come to lead them into some kind of Utopia. It's just that this Utopia soon turns out to contain ample amounts of stomach acid.

>>15470230

It was rather comical too see that Necron Destroyer's were frequently used in melee mode despite of being a dedicated ranged unit - just because they are one of the few Necron units that actually moves reasonably fast and can lock enemy range specialists in melee.

>>15460465

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>>15462074

Have we gone too far? Too bad its not 7000, we'd have to go even further for that.

Lotus mages in BattleRealms

>>>/rule34/30000

>>15496827

Well it deserves to be OP.

>>15465565

If the Teutons are good in that game it sure isn't because of their unique unit, the Teutonic Knight gets murdered by archers, hand cannons or siege and nobody halfway intelligent will choose to engage them in melee.

>>15465565

But Teutons are trash in that game.

The Burmese on the other hand:

>free attack upgrades for infantry

>free wood upgrades

>unique unit is an extremely powerful ranged cavalry machine of death that only needs wood and gold to create, which makes it trivial to go to the Imperial Age before everyone else

>>15497126

more like berbers

>-20 percent cheaper cav imperial/15 percent cheaper cav

>gets the best spam unit, Genitour, high fucking health, not that expensive, and enables it for allies

>get regenerating camels

>Camel Archers are incredible

>also increases Castle work speed by 25 percent for whole team

>>15467814

Agreed but you were able to counter that (to an extent) with the IG. Harassing with Sents and bulking up some points with meat kept you viable enough to start cranking hellhounds out for the SM infantry.

Rushing arty really fucked the SM factions up

>>15460305

right on

i still prefered the pew pew t'au

Eldar is only overpowered because they look weak and are the soydevs' faction likely.

>>15496827

Dude, it's the Kaiser. Besides, you don't get the Kaiser from the word go. Also, didn't recall the Kaiser having HP Regen in Alpha Gaiden.

>>15460302

you should have seen the Eldar in battlefleet gothica

>at least twice as fast as the next fastest fleet

>shields that confer a base 70% chance to completely negate incoming damage

>with an upgrade that goes up to 80%

>death star lasers on some of their cheapest ships that can decimate ships of almost any class/tonnage

>what this all means is that you're up against a fleet that can outrun every single one of your ships with no problem, can superlaser you from outside of your range, and even if you catch them you'll barely even nick their shields before they're out of range again

>players complain about this in the forums so the developers for no fucking reason remove the Taunt skill, possibly the only counter in the entire fucking game against the Eldar

>devs defend their OP snowflake faction by saying it's true to the tabletop, while refusing to acknowledge that in the tabletop Eldar are only that powerful and dangerous when their sails are full of solar wind

>there is no solar wind mechanic in BFG

maybe it's balanced now, i don't know because I quit after the tenth time i got matched up against some tryhard elf-lover faggot who decimated my entire fleet with like three escort ships and a cruiser. when i left the only, only way to beat the eldar was to ram them, but they're so fast you simply can't ever do that unless you get really, really lucky. worst balancing job i've ever seen

>>15497233

Cavalry archer generations in general were rather OP - Mongols used to be the meta race back in AoK, and don't get me started about Huns not needing to build houses.

>>15497126

>unique unit is an extremely powerful ranged cavalry machine of death that only needs wood and gold to create, which makes it trivial to go to the Imperial Age before everyone else

These arambik guys? I remember they were extremely strong against buildings for cav archers, but their accuracy against anything more than three tiles away from them was abysmal.

Worked well enough against AI-controlled infantry mob that you could kite all the way to Glasgow and back, but Arb's and skirms could deal with them.

>>15503072

I recall hearing that Orkz of all the races were hilariously bad at ramming because it usually hurt them more than it did the enemy. Which may or may not be true to the tabletop (or at least true to lore), but that doesn't mean you should put it into vidya.

>>15503098

nah, that's not true, at least as far as my playtime went. ramming was calculated along the lines of your class vs. enemy class and where you're ramming them - hitting their stern would do more damage to them and less to you than hitting their bow, for example. i primarily played orkz and never had a problem with ramming and in fact got probably better than 30% or so of my wins by doing almost exclusively that.

>Taunt enemy ship

>it turns to face whoever taunted it

>have one of your other ships hit it with boarding torpedoes then hit the big red button and fucking plow into them

works evry tiem

>>15464899

in the usa there are no smelly german retards. if you come to the usa you don't see german flags. you see prussian flags, prussian architecture and prussian heritage. the usa is filled with prussians, not german nigger

>>15460302

Guardians in destiny

Literally everything in the universe is scared of them