bd2051 No.15455218
As windows is moving toward more of a service rapidly, what's the future regarding linux?
I hear there's a ton of development going on for emulators such as Dolphin, and a ps3 or was it ps4 emulation. Is this because of monetary support? If it would such support be enough to fuel windows game compatibility development for software such as wine or DXVK?
Will business & schools move to redhat, or will they move toward something like React OS? Is Redhat as an OS or as a business better than what MS offers? I'm not familiar with them. Would it be a smart move for them to move to Redhat due to the commercial support?
3673b6 No.15455238
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
At the uni where I work they already use flavors of ubuntu, at least in the computer science department, and every first year scientific student (be it biology students, med students, mathematicians, etc.) have an introduction to the use of command line.
In later years they don't care what students use because they teach java.
As for the computers that use windows the software they use is open-source (libreoffice, etc.) because it costs much, much less to the university.
b23963 No.15455290
>>15455218
Most likely Ubuntu since it is the most widely known and is some of the easiest distros (We used it at school and I've seen it at Uni as well). Though my Uni still has PCs with fucking Windows XP for the students in the library, so it still will take a long time before Wangblows starts getting ditched.
also reminder that Red Hat is glowing in the dark niggers and should never be trusted
10c648 No.15455311
>>15455238
Very few non-Frenchmen would know that song.
3673b6 No.15455650
>>15455311
I can't think of java without thinking of accordions.
000000 No.15455674
>>15455218
>Will business & schools move to redhat
Ubuntu, most likely.
>or will they move toward something like React OS?
ReactOS's development is nowhere near at a level good enough for mainstream adoption.
>Would it be a smart move for them to move to Redhat due to the commercial support?
Red Hat is far from the only company offering support.
52d53d No.15455711
>>15455218
My uni is pretty torn between macOS and ChromeOS (depending on whether your daddy is rich). The only people that use Linux are in CS and EE, even then most of them only use it in virtual machines. The only Windows computers left are just mini macs with dual boot and the occasional idiot who buys a Windows laptop for muh gaymes.
4fd5a2 No.15455774
>>15455711
>leaving windows
>for macOS and ChromeOS
I guess the future is dark either way.
c91bea No.15455800
Linux will always be fucked because they strove for a closed circuit that really only has hack methods of popular consumer hardware.
Window's strength isn't the modern software which linux frequently has work arounds for, but for the nearly 3 decades of forwards compatible software that they have an essential monopoly on.
You might see adoption of linux for people already working in programming as the years roll by, and if windows is retarded enough to shoot themselves in the foot by axing legacy software as a whole, which isn't out of the realm of possibility, you're more likely to see projects to actually fix the market issue created by Microsoft paying off judges to keep their system library exclusive and shut down legal alternatives (as in real alternatives) to windows.
This really wouldn't be a point of discussion if Richard Stallman wasn't such a gigantic wet dripping vagina and actually supported real competitors to Windows.
d19b02 No.15455827
Im royally fucked with this service bullshit
I could barely install linux not use it!
Not like there is anything left to play in future or even have a option to download (thanks article13)
1f7556 No.15455866
Becoming easier to play games on linux since the last big wine bump, less reason to stay on windows with all the support changes and giant security problems.
ca77f9 No.15455868
>>15455774
We don't have to use it, we still have OpenBSD and Linux.
000000 No.15456054
>there are Windowsfags ITT right now
Disgusting.
2483d3 No.15456114
dxvk is the future
every fucking game will run fast in Linux soon
animedevs are on it
834ea8 No.15456141
>>15455868
>linux
Backdoored by CIA.
>OpenBSD
Better, but good luck playing games.
f71bf4 No.15456162
>>15456141
>>linux
>Backdoored by CIA.
please provide evidence
>>OpenBSD
>Better, but good luck playing games.
tell me more about BSD
52cba1 No.15456163
>>15456065
>A car which's manufacturer can ban you at any time for "abusing" their charging stations is an argument for closed source.
I get what you are trying to say but thats the worst example you could have picked. Its the iPhone of cars.
aaf845 No.15456233
The future is definitely ganoo slash leenuchs. Vulkan will be THE standard, archival autists will make perfect emulators for each console and all Windows games of old will run better than ever before thanks to dxvk.
The trade off is that the internet is gonna be fucked up beyond belief and unless you know how to TOR/I2P/RS/etc you will be absolutely fucked for getting anything not state-approved and jewish.
000000 No.15456415
>>15456162
OpenBSD is probably the most unix-like of all the unix-likes. While GNU is all about features and speed, obsd is about simplicity and code correctness. The devs are uncompromising autists.
>Letting a program map its own page zero? Not on my watch!
<But Wine needed that to function!
>Well fuck Wine then.
<B-but muh Windows compatibility…
>Fuck Windows compatibility. And you know what? Fuck Linux compatibility too. Into the garbage it goes. And who needs 32-bit compat layer on a 64-bit system? Sounds like bloat to me. Removed.
<Shieeeet
That was a dramatic reenactment, but it should give you an idea of what OpenBSD is like. As you can imagine, it's not for everyone.
ca77f9 No.15456693
>>15456162
OpenBSD = Autistically secure as long as you're careful.
f71bf4 No.15457077
so what are the best/least terrible linux distros for playing and developing games on?
2483d3 No.15457094
OS that has the best Steam(Proton) + DXVK + Wine compatibility with games you play
56b26e No.15457095
Guys, I'm a lazy asshole and I want to switch to Linux.
I don't want to read 200 pages on what fork is the best for me and I don't want to read charts that assume you already have basic knowledge of Linux.
I want to play games and shitpost online without being spied. What OS is the best? Tails would be great if it wasn't built for autism
ca77f9 No.15457096
>>15457077
Linux Mint, it's Linux on easy mode.
>>15457095
Linux Mint.
0d1c75 No.15457113
>>15457095
>I want to play games and shitpost online without being spied. What OS is the best?
Tail-
>Tails would be great if it wasn't built for autism
Oh, well in that case go with Ubuntu or one of its forks. I use Tails personally, but I can understand how somebody might not like the tradeoff of usability for security.
f71bf4 No.15457139
>>15457096
does it have systemd?
79667f No.15457151
>>15457139
If you know enough to care about systemd, just jump in at gentoo.
8b7c4d No.15457304
>>15457096
Stop recommending this distro, please.
It does nothing to help the unkowning windowsfag move to linux.
The first complaint you'll get over and over is the fact that software is miles outdated compared to their windows counterpart.
Aswell as not having all alternatives listed in it's repos, which windowsfags won't even understand
Those reasons above will often make the regular user dual boot into windows more than linux and pretty much forget they even had linux.
The problem with linux noobie friendly distros is that it often mistifys the whole of gnu/linux in an attempt to over simplify it.
I hate it when faggots advertise linux as being the end all solution to windows because obviously they are two different systems.
Linux is not fucking windows, stop trying to make it windows.
If you wanted to get into linux you'd already be using linux, just do some fucking research and find a distro that you're comfortable with.
https://distrowatch.com/
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
Not to be a gate keeping faggot but linux "simplified" is the biggest meme of all.
The main reason we got abominations like systemd and pulseaudio is because retards keep trying to cater to newfags when what is already there works fine and only requires a small amount of research.
By trying to oversimplify what is already very simple you create a system that isn't simple at fucking all.
000000 No.15457582
>>15457139
Do you even need to ask? Mint is an Ubuntu derivative which in turn is a Debian derivative. That whole ecosystem runs on systemd unless it's Devuan. Just install Devuan if you want a systemd-free Debian distribution. Or if you want to go more technical Gentoo, Artix, and Slackware are all options.
If you're a programmer or power user you might as well run Slackware to get the full Linux experience. It's actually fairly newbie-friendly, but it is old-school and expects you to learn how to navigate the Linux console and compile software.
b72d98 No.15457595
>>15456415
>That ID
Huh.
Anyways, OpenBSD is really only worthwhile if you want to set up a server of some kind or for an older computer. It's not really meant as a daily driver IIRC, but you can use it if you don't mind missing out on many features that make Linux and Free/NetBSD useable.
b72d98 No.15457602
>>15457095
Ubuntu or one of the *buntus ( like Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu etc. (very user-friendly), Debian Stable/Testing(very stable) or Deuvan (if you don't want systemd)
113b55 No.15457614
>>15457095
Kubuntu, its Ubuntu with KDE which is very Windows-like
000000 No.15457714
>>15457151
This. So much This.
Calculate is Gentoo for newfags. Move to Gentoo Hardened when you're ready. Otherwise, JUST USE LINUX MINT AND SUBMIT TO YOUR POETTERING MASTER.
000000 No.15457726
>>15457614
if Mint still did a KDE spin, it'd be the suggestion for KDE fans.
KDE is superior, but there's no Mint-like distribution solving all the little paper cuts for it. For my users (quckpkg on gentoo - Chromebooks for All!), the biggest issue with KDE is accidentally unlocking the desktop, and losing their application launcher. Oddly, the same issue with XFCE. However, the integration between applications is unmatched, so it wins by default.
b9af54 No.15457758
>>15457726
>accidentally unlocking the desktop, and losing their application launcher
i haven't used kde much but i never once ran into this with xfce
8a0faa No.15457767
>>15457139
>>15457151
I have to ask why so many spergs in the Unix community freak the fuck out over systemd? I've heard them say "it's too complex" but they must lack all self-awareness to be making a complaint like that.
1c59ff No.15457810
>>15457767
It's because it was pushed into every mainline distro by redhat devs and those glow in the dark faggots are behind everything
0d1c75 No.15457924
>>15457767
Because devs discarded made-up rules the Unix community made about how to design a program.
834ea8 No.15457940
>>15457767
Because it forces everything under one program.
UNIX is complex as all hell, but at least its made up of a hundred little rabbit droppings. While systemd is just one big pile of dung.
faddce No.15457985
Honestly I'm just waiting for certain productivity tools to make it's way to Linux. Not a lot of painting software options, the best at the moment being Krita. Then video editing software is frankly a joke on Linux. But for normal use and gaming I can easily see a big shift to Linux if the rumors are true and Microsoft tries to move wangblows 10 to a subscription model.
No business is going to want to pay for that. You think a tech giant like Google or IBM are going to want to pay $10 a month for each of their 10,000 programmers to have a legit copy of Windows? No, they'll probably just move over to Linux and move some of their resources into improving Linux for their own use case.
d74db8 No.15458016
>>15457767
It's just a shit piece of software.
4dfa10 No.15458036
>>15457726
>if Mint still did a KDE spin
Does Mint not have a KDE version? Am I mis-remembering or have they stopped doing it?
6f54f8 No.15458060
>>15455218
React OS is rapidly reaching the point where they resemble windows so much that its almost an issue of copyright infringement. You can bet that Micro$oft will be going for it as in the past former microsoft programmers went to work on React OS and undoutably brought some code shared in windows.
56b26e No.15458068
>>15458060
I don't think copyright stretches to OS GUIs, that's probably more of a patent issue.
c8cc9b No.15458074
>>15457096
>using mint after they showed themselves being so incompetent they lost control of their website and attackers uploaded backdoored ISO files
>being a faggot and not using gentoo
honestly, /v/ is worse than /tech/
6f54f8 No.15458075
>>15458068
The whole point of React OS is "open source windows lol." Its going to have some "stolen" code in there somewhere, and it has in the past. If you try to replicate everything windows does naturally you'll end up having some lines of code that match, its unavoidable.
ee8829 No.15458122
>>15457714
>This. So much This.
you get lost on your way to tumblr?
6f54f8 No.15458183
17bd8a No.15458189
If you're worried about video game compatibility, just set up a dual boot with windows whatever and some simple Linux distro, like Mint. It's easier than it sounds. The most tedious part of the process is getting the installation shit onto a disc or USB, after that it's very straightforward.
b259cc No.15458200
>>15456233
this tbh, when the state starts coming down on filesharing and anything non-kosher to corporate law, we'll likely not hear of it in the msm
cbd94f No.15458210
>>15458183
Reported for literally being from fucking tumblr. You have absolutely no business posting here. Faggots are mentally ill and will be exterminated. Nonwhites will be removed from white nations. Jews (who are not white) will be exterminated. The races are separate species. IQ is inherited. Men and women aren’t genetically or neurologically the same. Do you need more scientific facts that hurt your feelings, or will you fuck off with that alone?
8f2f14 No.15458237
>>15457767
>I have to ask why so many spergs in the Unix community freak the fuck out over systemd? I've heard them say "it's too complex" but they must lack all self-awareness to be making a complaint like that.
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/
As far as I know, the UNIX design philosophy states that one program does one thing; systemd is the opposite, it's an init system that is adds several features that traditionally are managed by separate programs. Since it's code size increases, the auditability of the code becomes more difficult. Additionally if and when that big program that does everything fucks up, a lot of other things can do down along with.
64c784 No.15458241
>>15458215
Sloppy. They really shouldn't have combined Nubian, Khoisan, the various pygmies, and Arabian Africa into the mix when you are really just looking at Bantu IQ. Furthermore, including African islands into the chart is just damn stupid.
1f0bd1 No.15458252
>>15458241
Facts are stupid, we know.
17bd8a No.15458257
>>15458253
Keep in mind the "white" category here includes Hispanics/Mexicans and Arabs.
7f0751 No.15458280
>>15458257
Whites do not count all Arabs you retard. White counts European White, Hispanic White, and Levantine with sometimes people of Kashmir as well as Slavs
cbd94f No.15458286
>>15458280
I came here to laugh at you. Yes, it counts dune coons. You know nothing and are very poorly trying to cover up the fact that whites commit virtually no crimes whatsoever.
>>15458215
Indeed, that’s another good point.
17bd8a No.15458297
>>15458280
As you say, the white category includes people that aren't white. Slavs are white though.
>>15458286
Whites commit crime at a higher rate than Asians though. Asians are diehard conformists, while whites have higher testosterone and are more likely to take risks. If you ask me, whites have been so successful because they had a strong balance of intelligence vs aggressiveness. Asians are smart, but passive and weak. Blacks are aggressive, but stupid and emotional. Whites seem to have grasped an ideal middle ground. However, whites have too much empathy, being adapted for tight knit communities relying on each other for survival, and often extend this empathy towards groups who don't return the favor, leading to poor outcomes.
6a35c8 No.15458330
>>15455218
Linux will never replace windows due to active directory services and microsoftexchange/outlook integration. The lack of skilled IT people also make it difficult.
Anytime someone get's close to offering active directory services through linux, microsoft pushes out an update to the windows clients and changes the way everything works. Microsoft Exchange and now Outlook 365 absolutely dominate the email and office productivity space with no competent alternatives in sight.
Many IT companies are pushing for windows servers due to the lack of skilled IT people. At least in my country i've found that only 1/5 professionals can operate with CLI and even less can operate with CLI at a productive pace.
t.sysadmin with hundreds of private sector clients.
cbd94f No.15458348
>>15458297
>Whites commit crime at a higher rate than Asians though.
Aww, you fell for that one? Take a look again; this time look at more than just the Japanese. SEA gangs are as bad as spics.
>Asians are smart
Think about who told you that. You never questioned their methodology, did you? And you never put two and two together about how since they LITERALLY LIE ABOUT EVERY SINGLE OTHER NUMBER THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY, maybe they’re lying about these numbers, too.
>However, whites have too much empathy
Not at all. Our empathy made us great. What we have too much of is nonwhites on our planet in our countries. Without that problem, empathy makes us better than any other race, because “unto the least of these” applies and our homeless, poor, and downtrodden are brought back to their rightful place.
24a74e No.15458354
>>15458348
Empathy can be a detriment if you don't know you're being used with it.
cbd94f No.15458365
>>15458354
Absolutely. That’s when it becomes pathological altruism.
24a74e No.15458377
>>15458365
And what do you consider the difference between altruism and that then? knowing when to cut your losses?
b18d82 No.15458384
How do you configure wine for general games? I've been trying to get Darkest Hour to run on wine I installed the proper dlls I found on the appdb site but it's still not working. I don't know how playonlinux works for games that come with an install script but manually installing games don't work, only good thing is the prefixes you can make. Linux is a meme.
17bd8a No.15458390
>>15458348
Yeah, generally chinks are pretty fucked, and the South Korean gov is garbage (thanks to Western control) but the Koreans and Japs are generally alright. But yeah, I still say Asians commit less crime than whites, they're far more group observant and conformist. That's why Asian countries today are best known for improving things, either through cheap reproductions at a fraction of original cost or through cheap imitation and gradual improvements, rather than revolutionary reimaginations like whites are known for.
Risk taking behavior has its up and downs. Blacks are very risk taking, but they have next to no ability to innovate or improve. Asians are very risk averse, so they generally stick to marginal improvement upon existing ideas and technologies. Meanwhile, whites will often take great risks to create and build, even if it sometimes ends in failure.
But again, the greatest failure of whites is that our natural instincts of cooperation and trust work against us in today's globalist cultures and economies. We have to learn that not everybody is playing fair. You can't extend courtesy and honorable treatment towards some fuck who doesn't return the favor, just rope that shit.
007f12 No.15458391
>>15458297
>However, whites have too much empathy, being adapted for tight knit communities relying on each other for survival
The excessive empathy is part of growing up and it's important for the parents raising a kid into proper adulthood to cut that empathy down a peg. That's why the stereotypical right of passage is killing a live animal in cold blood.
17bd8a No.15458393
>>15458384
Run it through the terminal, and look at what errors pop up. Generally it'll say it's missing this plugin or that one. See what they are, copy it, and install it.
cbd94f No.15458397
>>15458377
Altruism toward your own people is appropriate empathy. Altruism toward foreigners…
>the South Korean gov is garbage (thanks to Western control)
Implying the feminist psychopaths wouldn’t have still taken charge under a chinese or japanese puppet. Still, all US military forces should be pulled back to US borders.
>the greatest failure of whites is that our natural instincts of cooperation and trust work against us in today’s globalist cultures and economies.
The greatest failure of whites is allowing jews to live almost 1,000 times in history. Our natural instincts never fail us otherwise, because the ✡globalist✡ economy wouldn’t even exist without the jews.
b18d82 No.15458402
>>15458393
But what if the game launches but there are missing textures and shit? Do I still get that ? Civ 4 yields were not displayed correctly.
377f0c No.15458407
>>15457304
>Stop recommending this distro
He specifically asked for a fire-and-forget idiot proof solution that needs no tinkering with for it to "just work".
>Those reasons above will often make the regular user dual boot into windows more than linux and pretty much forget they even had linux.
To set up a dual boot you'd have to look into configuring the boot manager, and most likely resizing partitions/installing a second HDD. These are things idiots simply won't do.
>I hate it when faggots advertise linux as being the end all solution to windows because obviously they are two different systems.
Literally who are you quoting
Linuxfags shittalk Windows for its several faults, but the first distribution recommendation they would make (at least back when I got into linux) is "any that you can get running in a VM to see if it clicks for you". Linux is never going to be a 1:1 replacement for Windows and whoever thinks otherwise should just pirate 7 or stay on 10. They just won't care about anything that might make Linux worthwhile to them (coreutils, no telemetry, actual disk encryption, etc.) because they're committed to shit like Discord, Steam etc.
17bd8a No.15458411
d2584f No.15458417
>>15458215
According to statistics GamerGate is a harassment campaign.
9d5824 No.15458422
>>15458417
According to statistics your a massive faggot
3a87ba No.15458430
>>15458036
I'm pretty sure Mint never had one. Originally they were Gnome2, when Gnome3 came around they switched to making Mate and Cinnamon.
Of course, that doesn't mean you can't install KDE from the repos, just that it doesn't come preinstalled.
4dfa10 No.15458494
>>15458430
Was about to say ignore that post - I've just been checking - there was a KDE Edition up to Mint 18.3 then they stopped.
Found details on the Mint blog from October 2017:
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3418
5bf179 No.15458534
>>15458417
No, it's a genocide campaign.
b18d82 No.15458544
>>15458411
Yes I always follow the appdb guides. The game was working but tile yeilds were fucked. I'm not concerned with Civ 4 I just gave an example of a gmae I got to work with oddities, I want to run Darkest Hour. There's always different dlls used for each system, I've followeed them all to no avail.
e2d3a4 No.15458802
>>15457614
>KDE is very Windows-like
In the sense that it's a bloated confusing mess, surely. Cinnamon is Windows-like but fixed into something usable, so I recommend Mint.
000000 No.15459056
>>15457767
Systemd is basically an unstable and insecure software demanding a privileged state of execution and filled with dubious design decisions that is run by prima donna power hungry devs who view scope creep as a deliberate design goal. Feel free to peruse >>15458237 for details. However, "Unix community" is overstating things, as systemd is thus far a uniquely Linux problem. The other Unix derivatives do not even have systemd.
For a more detailed discussion on systemd and its lack of merits, see >>>/tech/951909
>>15457714
Settle down, Beavis.
>>15457924
>let's downplay everything people have against systemd and pretend this is a valid summary of criticisms.
I spotted the systemd fanboy, and they always resort to dishonest stuff like this. But it is certainly true that systemd fails extremely hard at the "do one thing and do it well" philosophy, having taken the stunningly polar opposite approach of "do as many things as possible and let others worry about how badly it does them." For all the claims by systemd fans that systemd is just a collection of binaries with more specific purposes, those people ignore the sheer interdependence those binaries tend to have. Running systemd in a piecemeal fashion is strongly not advised since software will crash when it turns out that program A actually depends on program B and C to work properly, even when programs B and C's functions should have fuck-all to do with program A's task. It is a very monolithic design in the end, and deliberately so.
I suppose next up on the list of dishonest and misleading arguments defending systemd is discussing systemd like it's just an init system while conveniently neglecting the elephant in the room that is just how ridiculously much system functionality beyond init systemd takes over.
823e76 No.15459074
Most businesses still use MS office and photoshop even though they have monthly fees and there are free alternatives. Dont see why windows would be different. They probably figure itd be more expensive to teach idiot users how to use software thats 80% the same than to just pay the fees.
270538 No.15459086
I can tell you right now that the ONLY THING holding Linux back from taking over is it's philosophy of installing and managing software.
Managing repositories, using the command line, having outdated software in the asset store, all programs updating automatically because of the way software updaters work… it's complete trash compared to downloading the file directly from creator's website and installing it. Yet Linux advocates think it's a good thing because they love managing their operating system. They don't use their operating system in order to run programs on it, they use the operating system in order to use the operating system.
Appimages are a step in the right direction, but that makes it harder to manage the files. Take for instance Factorio on Windows, it has all it's mods and save files and settings in the program directory, but you can't do that with an Appimage. Many games also have the audio files and other stuff in the directory that you can take/modify if you want.
Here's how to get the best of both worlds and fix Linux, popularize this method for downloading software:
When you go to the website of given software, the "download" is similar to a magnet link. It opens a software installer that gives you options such as whether to auto-update the software and whether to put an icon to the desktop, and when you click "download" it runs the required command line commands (yada yada update repository yada apt-get yada). Also it has an advanced panel that shows and lets you configure all the commands it's about to run.
48e186 No.15459123
>>15459074
Honestly they give almost no fucks about user training. The issue is all the gov/business development is done by pajeet sweatshops that pick Windows because it's all they know.
000000 No.15459194
>>15459086
I can't tell if this is bait or not.
35399f No.15459196
>>15459086
there is another holding back linux from taking over
normalfags knowing about it
270538 No.15459198
>>15459194
>no argument
Typical.
>>15459196
Knowing about it isn't going to make them use it because it's so terrible for low to mid-tier computer users to use.
000000 No.15459207
>>15455218
>As windows is moving toward more of a service rapidly, what's the future regarding linux?
Linux will remain irrelevant, because its community will refuse to fix or even acknowledge the issues that keep it irrelevant.
000000 No.15459318
>>15458122
I gotta chat with your sister somewhere, don't I?
>>15459056
Talk about dating yourself, boomer. You get a pass for correctly hating systemd.
>>15457758
Of course you've never had this problem. You're not a luser that doesn't understand how to configure their desktop. I'm foisting locked-down gentoo hardened installs on people that don't realize/care that LibreOffice isn't Microsoft Office. These people have stupid issues like this. GNOME sadly wins for this because they dictated where things are, but I stopped using GNOME back when they kicked Rasterman from GNOME/GTK+ development. XFCE doesn't allow you to lock the desktop like Plasma does, so XFCE lost the competition (also, it sucks compared to even Enlightenment 0.13).
>>15458036
Couldn't tell you. I'm a self-respecting Gentoo user, whose only installed Poetterware is a crippled (slave to JACK, can't talk to alsa) PulseAudio so Steam games don't complain. If someone asks me to install linux for them, they get Calculate Linux, because I'm a snob when I have to maintain/upgrade, which defaults to KDE. However, if it were a system I would never have root access on, and would never be seeing again (90% of customers), I'd throw Mint on it. They just want to surf the web, play (Steam) games, and watch porn/youtube. Mint's plenty good for those that view their computer as a means to an end.
1006f8 No.15460530
>>15455218
>>15455674
>>15455711
>>15455800
I know it's just a pipe dream at this point. But my wishful thinking would really love if BeOS / Haiku became the mainstream alternative for Windows, and eventually even replacing it if Microsoft goes full retard with the SaaS thing.
It definitely has the potential of becoming a much more capable and powerful desktop OS than Linux and even Windows itself, if it only had better support.
9f8e15 No.15460539
>>15455218
>Windows is moving forward
lel no
be5be5 No.15461691
>>15459086
The only thing that's keeping Lunix from taking over is baby duck syndrome. People have become complacent with the shit they grew up with.
>philosophy of installing and managing software
debatable. repositories are made to defer the task of having to MANUALLY MANAGE your software and dependencies. Maintainers coordinate things so everything will use the same package versions. Only drawback Lunix's model has is it's quite hard impossible to install bleeding-edge software while not updating everything else, which is bad for gaymen. Then again, no one's preventing you from going full gentoo, or even installing shit in /usr/local and managing dependencies yourself.
Shitdows sidestepped the issue by letting every program bloat up your storage with its custom version of the same DLLs you already have 2384723 copies of so shit will continue to run. Lunix is going down a similar path by copying Mac's self-contained .app files with appimage, flatpak, etc. Sure, it will lower the barrier to entry, but it will come with numerous undesirable issues which aren't immediately apparent to the average computer-illiterate user (e.g. running vulnerable, outdated libraries).
>using the command line
>bad
it's a powerful tool that allows you to save a fuckton of time by processing shit in batches instead of repeating the same action a zillion times, or writing a script once instead of instead of going through the same inefficient shit GUI every fucking time. It's also great at keeping out the lazy faggots who demand constant handholding, can't read fucking instructions and want everything to just werk by pressing 1 button. if becoming popular means dumbing everything down and alienating the core audience, to cater to retarded faggots who don't care and/or can't read, then it's not worth it (for an apt analogy, see casualization of video games)
>when you click "download" it runs the required command line commands (yada yada update repository yada apt-get yada). Also it has an advanced panel that shows and lets you configure all the commands it's about to run.
but that'd be terrible
>distro ships version v1.1 of shitlib
>program informs user it requires shitlib v1.2
>user is warned important package(s) will break with v1.2 (maintainers haven't made adapted package(s) yet or w/e)
>user blindly following guide ignores warning and forces installation anyway
>system breaks
70aa65 No.15461701
Well. What says the /v/irgins now that Linux has fallen to the SJW hoards?
b259cc No.15461967
>>15458417
>gamer gate tweet statistics show only 10% of tweets are harassing
HARASSMENT
541970 No.15462221
>>15461967
>Disagree with someone
>Ask them to kindly do their job properly because you feel it is misrepresenting the product etc
>Screeched at for harassment
270538 No.15462577
>>15461691
>wah wah windows fags are dumb because they don't want to change!
>let me just ignore your points for a moment and tell you that Linux is perfect and doesn't need to change even though the old method of doing things still exists!
2ec077 No.15462599
>>15455218
Why not just stay on wangblows 7 forever?
9e1e09 No.15463018
>>15462599
The more time goes on, the harder it becomes to find drivers for hardware and run games that use new technologies.
You can keep using Win7 for many more years but it's not eternal.
ffad30 No.15463106
>>15463018
Win 10 is so bad that the majority of people who haven't picked it up probably never will but as you say win 7 won't last forever. I'm hoping an OS "Pirate" Windows will become a thing and make the rounds, react OS is in the best position to be that but it'll take a lot of work. Angry former Windows users might bring a lot of man hours to react OS or other projects.
a8056c No.15463117
I actually moved to Linux a few months ago for my secondary laptop, I now use windows almost exclusively for Unity.
Linux has done some really giant steps towards becoming a more accessible OS, and with Valve now pushing Proton/Wine full time I see it having a pretty bright future.
The only thing that really pisses me off is Adobe refusing to move the adobe suite of programs to linux. As of now the only way to run those programs is to install them on windows and then move the full folder to Linux and launch it via wine, which is just kind of bullshit.
Everything considered I think Linux is doing pretty well, although I seriously doubt anyone will move to Redhat or ReactOs, even if it ever gets to a point where it works.
56b26e No.15463132
>>15457096
>>15457113
>>15457602
>>15457614
>>15458802
>literally everybody says Ubuntu or one of its variants
With a consensus like that it's settled. Thank you for the suggestions.
974143 No.15463155
9e1e09 No.15463198
>>15463132
Ubuntu itself is botnet, use anything else.
9e1e09 No.15463202
>>15463198
Didn't meant to imply that anything based on Ubuntu is botnet, the alternatives mentioned are fine.
974143 No.15463209
>>15463202
Mint has been botnetted too
56b26e No.15463216
>>15463202
>>15463209
Do you mean a literal botnet that uses your PC for DDoS attacks or /tech/'s autistic definition of a botnet?
9e1e09 No.15463218
>>15463216
The kind of botnet that sends your local search terms to Amazon.
92eb93 No.15463425
>>15455218
why has no one made this god awful joke yet
be5be5 No.15466756
>>15462577
>how dare you not bend back and change the way shit works to cater to me reee
>let me just ignore your points and refute a deliberately biased interpretation I've made
No one said Lunix is perfect. It's pretty shit when it comes to installing bleeding-edge software as I've already said. That's why you can either use self-contained applications or compile and link shit yourself. However, dumbing things down and removing features because you don't like them is bad. There's plenty of shit not you can't do with GUI tools, and there always will be, so you can't just get rid of CLI.
One example is firewall rules. You can use gufw (gui front-end) for basic shit like allow/deny rules, but the moment you need to do something a bit more complex, like limiting per-port/per-ip connections or marking packets (for VLANs, QoS, routing, etc.), ufw falls very short. You need to use iptables for that, which is CLI only.
000000 No.15468377
>>15463117
>The only thing that really pisses me off is Adobe refusing to move the adobe suite of programs to linux. As of now the only way to run those programs is to install them on windows and then move the full folder to Linux and launch it via wine, which is just kind of bullshit.
There are open source alternatives to a lot them, although GIMP still leaves a lot to be desired.
>Everything considered I think Linux is doing pretty well, although I seriously doubt anyone will move to Redhat or ReactOs, even if it ever gets to a point where it works.
If ReactOS ever becomes fully functional, it will overtake Windows with a quickness, simply because it's a 100% free Windows that is highly customizable. But MS will do everything in their power to stay a moving target from ReacttOS for that precise reason.
c724a2 No.15468396
>>15466756
>adding features = removing features
>posting schizo meme man as a serious argument
db6910 No.15468416
>>15455827
Are you a human? Can you learn? Then you aren't fucked.
>>15455866
Steam is directly supporting games with Wine and Proton now. Their motives are not pure (they don't want Microsoft to continue to have a monopoly on most PC games) but I'm not going to pretend that the biggest gaming software distributor supporting Linux compatibility isn't going to help.
000000 No.15468435
>>15468416
>they don't want Microsoft to continue to have a monopoly on most PC games
That's not exactly their motive. Their motive is to ensure that Microsoft cannot use their vendor lock on the Windows platform to displace Steam with their own Windows store, so they encourage Linux development as a means to compete. Basically they don't want Steam vs Windows Store to go down like Netscape vs Internet Explorer, so they are deliberately shoring up alternatives to Windows. They already made moves to this effect before (steamboxes and shit), but they toned it down for several years when the Windows Store ended up being a dumpster fire. It's picking up traction now though, and Valve is not inclined to wait around for it to become a serious rival to their business. You want to head off disaster, not scramble to react once it strikes.
If the Windows Store went down in flames though, Valve would not be so concerned with Linux development.
d5ad46 No.15468436
i hope we move back to real life
c724a2 No.15468472
>>15468436
This except unironically
e726a3 No.15468522
>>15468435
They would be retarded to sit on their hands while Windows exists at all. Microsoft can do anything they want to their operating system, including say that Steam is a virus and banned from Windows 10. Would that move be necessary intelligent? No, but neither is Microsoft. Almost every PC game exists because a software company based out of Seattle says it's OK with us. Relying on a single company for your entire business model is not a good idea, as YouTube partnership has shown us.
e726a3 No.15468524
52dee1 No.15468529
>>15458252
You didn't understand his point. All the ethnicities he mentioned except for Bantu are brown people, and not black. In some African countries, blacks and browns live side by side, which means that the chart is highly inaccurate.
>>15458330
Enlighten us more on how this will affect gayman. Personally I wouldn't mind having a strictly free gaming-oriented Linux distro with high compatibility with Windows programs instead of having to get everyone to use Linux.
e726a3 No.15468547
>>15468529
>Personally I wouldn't mind having a strictly free gaming-oriented Linux distro with high compatibility with Windows programs instead of having to get everyone to use Linux.
Microsoft is a software company with tons of resources. They're just intelligent enough to realize that the only true way to maintain a monopoly or at least a leading market share on software is to continue changing it after you have a majority user base, that way it's unlikely anyone could keep up with you. Unfortunately there's virtually no way open source software can match their pace, especially because the business of "making software compatible with Microsoft software" requires that you wait for MS to make the first move. It's a game in which you are gaurenteed to lose. Businesses will continue to use MS software because why wouldn't you use the original software with professional support and managers are retarded anyway. All they have to do is keep updating DirectX, really. Vulkan has helped but not every game uses it and Microsoft can easily pay studios not to.
000000 No.15468567
>>15455218
>As windows is moving toward more of a service rapidly
But it's not, the subscription plan is for hardware+software updates.
52dee1 No.15468575
>>15468547
Fair point. What if the open source community restricts itself to emulate features of Windows up to certain features, say Win8.1? It's not like /v/ would touch games until they turn 7+ years old anyway.
e726a3 No.15468660
>>15468575
>Win8.1
There is literally no point in bothering, you'd only need Win7.
The exercise you're describing is already being performed by Wine. In fact Wine can run current gen games with limited success.
dd4d40 No.15468700
>>15468660
>There is literally no point
But there is at least one.
Xenia runs only on Win8 and above and it's our only hope in emulating the 360 on PC.
270538 No.15468727
>>15466756
>dumbing things down
>removing features
Learn to read you absolute retard.
>There's plenty of shit you can't do with GUI tools
If this is such a critical problem then explain how the vast majority of desktop users are content with Windows and have never had to touch the command prompt in their lives.
>get rid of CLI
I swear your post gets more retarded the more I read it. The proposed feature was a GUI program that EXECUTES CLI COMMANDS for you and AS STATED LETS YOU SEE AND CONFIGURE THEM.
>per-port/per-ip connections
>marking packets
>VLANs, QoS, routing
Did you even read what the topic was AT ALL? These are things that 99.999% of people will not need to ever hear a word about, let alone manually configure, so they are utterly irrelevant to the topic of making Linux popular. People are not going to learn CLI when they can just keep using Windows instead, and even if they do they're going to be too retarded to do anything that makes use of it's power. Give them a GUI with buttons that they can see and read, they'll be able to do way more with that than they ever could with a command line.
0d5a31 No.15468961
Pirate Enterprise LTSB. Or learn Linux, I'm too stupid.
e726a3 No.15469180
>>15468700
Seriously? I had no idea there was such a thing as software which only runs on Windows 8, barring that tile UI shit and UWP apps. Why the fuck would they do that? The kernel hasn't changed in ages, it's not like they needed it.
270538 No.15469193
>>15469180
For Microsoft, it's so they can convince people that it's worth "updating". For developers, it's because Microsoft tipped them under the table.
000000 No.15469195
>>15469180
Support for more libraries, bugfixes, new system APIs…
e726a3 No.15469221
>>15469195
>>15469193
By they I meant the devs of Xenia. Microsoft's motives are obvious.
9a5d96 No.15469351
>>15469180
The developers themselves stated that Xenia requires APIs and libraries that are only available in Win8. They don't mind other people porting the emulator for any other OSes, even Linux and Mac. However, the current reality is that no one has really stepped up to contribute regularly for the porting process (since the emulator project itself is unpopular) and the currently active developers don't consider it a higher priority over getting games to run on the emulator in the first place.
It really helps to do your own research before making a wide generalization.
http://xenia.jp/faq/
https://www.reddit.com/r/xenia/comments/8ym62g/when_is_this_emulator_getting_windows_7_support/
https://www.reddit.com/r/xenia/comments/4ceu1w/why_does_this_emulator_not_support_windows_7/
9a5d96 No.15469364
e726a3 No.15469369
>>15469351
I asked a question you smarmy fuck, there was literally no generalization in my post. At least give yourself an enema before you jump on my dick.
6c4033 No.15469419
>>15469193
It's the MS modus operandi™. Pay businesses, governments and organizations to exclusively use your products and then hike prices once people have become used to using your products.
9a5d96 No.15469437
>>15469369
I wrote the wrong word, sorry. ESL here.
>>15469419
Why do that for 360 emulation? They already have XB1 for that, and they can just sue them for trying to be an illegitimate competitor.
92ccc8 No.15469441
>what's the future regarding linux?
>Linus is taking time off to "learn about emotions" or whatever
>Chodes of Conducts are an increasingly prominent part of open-source projects, as well as politics
>The whole "Post-Meritocracy Manifesto" is a good example of where things are going with open-source
>systemd, and a whole bunch of other bloatware daemons like udev and all sorts of other boatware shit is invading the Linux userspace
>you're just an angry NERD if you give people critique about this
You know, I'd be okay with bloatware if it all just worked nicely, but it rarely does. freedesktop.org doesn't fucking work
Meanwhile:
>hardware hacking is "adafruit-tier" pozzed
>everyone involved with plan9 is a memelord and it's the entire thing is just hipster faggotry with no future
Don't get me wrong. plan9 has some amazingly well designed stuff. There's nothing wrong with plan9 the OS, the community is the problem
>minix3 has practically zero userland and hardware compatibility
>Windows is absolutely, beyond-pajeet levels pozzed and slowly becoming a monolithic buggy-ass CIA virus
>even only using it to run your broker's trading software on it, you have to deal with more bugs than Win ME, more backdoors than even the shadiest Russian torrent-sites and less features than a fitgirl repack.
>Win 10 ENTERPRISE with anti-rebooting literally decides to reboot at night, wipe all your work and install updates as well as "apps" you never asked for EVEN THOUGH IT'S SET NOT TO REBOOT WHEN THERE'S A LOGGED IN USER.
>It's FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to even guarantee the ABSOLUTE BASIC STABILITY AND SETTINGS of windows 10 when you need to use it
The only way to fix this shit is to mass-migrate to Minix3, everyone wrote/ported drivers and started demanding the absolute simplest software that works
THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THIS, IS TO DEMAND SIMPLER SOFTWARE. UNIX KNEW THIS, WHICH IS WHY THOSE DESIGN PATTERNS CAN STILL BE FOUND
PIC FUCKING RELATED, BUT IT NEEDS A UPDATE
718231 No.15469459
>>15469441
>>Win 10 ENTERPRISE with anti-rebooting literally decides to reboot at night, wipe all your work and install updates as well as "apps" you never asked for EVEN THOUGH IT'S SET NOT TO REBOOT WHEN THERE'S A LOGGED IN USER.
Wait if that's real, that is some lawsuit or a mister I.M Seeayeeh having a talk with MS in a black site somewhere. Because even MS can't be that fucking stupid right, remember the lead free solder shit? There is an exemption if it's for medical or military. Enterprise \ LTSB was supposed to be that type exemption version of win10. It's not sold in retail that I know of, and is supposed to be the version for the (((chosen))) clients, as well as medical machines, education, institutions, remote shit or offline thin clients, and or military.
b2bd40 No.15469471
>>15469441
>Minix
Fuck that, let's move to a plan 9 fork
also wait are you saying unix design patters can be found in systemd? are you high?
ad81e6 No.15469476
If altimit OS ever gets made I'll use it all day all night
ccd0b0 No.15469492
>>15469476
>make Altimit OS
>make Pluto's Kiss Incident
>wipe out Winblows and Crapble forever
d5ce0b No.15469509
>>15469441
>minix
>mfw Tanenbaum was right
>the fucking dutch jew OS is the sole remaining unfucked OS left
What in the unholy fuck
471f5a No.15469625
>linus was removed from kernel development because (((they))) couldn't wait until his death
HAHA ITS OVER, LINUX IS DEAD!
92ccc8 No.15469675
>>15469441
>boatware shit
You heard me. Boatware. Docker is a prime example Boatware shit. (hue)
Everyone's web developer and their auntie are so caught up over Docker and other flashy new languages that promise "scaling" and all sorts of insignificant junk that they forget to build proper tooling. Webdev tooling is absolute dogshit. DONT GO INTO WEB DEV, EVER. THERE'S NOTHING BUT AWFUL SHIT AND LOW WAGES!
>Just like $(wget | bash -), bro! It'll install fine, bro
Literally, what 99% of web frameworks tell you to do on their installation page with a completely absent manual because "manuals date too fast, we don't write them, we just make better software!"
God help you if it doesn't work. Figuring out what went wrong and validating a system actually works? Better restore that backup you made! XXDDDDD
Webdevs are such fucking hacks. Case in point: Josh, who finally got fired by hotwheels remember him?, but not before everyone on 8ch got their panties in a bunch over Infinity Next (the board software) having performance issues on 8ch. After that couple day stint of shit performance and overhauling the website, Josh got fired by Hotwheels but not before everyone got angry with Hotwheels and started blaming him.
You faggots, with your fucking whining, got Hotwheels to resign. Who was the ONLY ONE that made 8ch good
And all over some failed switch to new board software because web devs (Josh) can't into computational complexity. Holy shit, do you guys remember that at all? Even Hotwheels HIMSELF complained that "Josh thought he didn't think computational complexity applied to him".
You faggots with your whining made hotwheels leave! It's your fucking fault this site went to shit, but enough about 8ch.
Enough about 8ch, wanna know how bad things are?
Some guy spent weeks, if not months trying to add a "drop-down box" to the new Windows 10 control panel.
Spent Herculean amounts of time just trying to figure out how it works to the point that his coworker said "I have no idea how this works, just edit this file and it seems to work so we just ship it."
That same guy (not the co-worker) got reprimanded for fixing a bug in that same component he was working on. Apparently, they don't have the resources for that and it's not in the mission statement, or something. :^) God, I'd share the image right now if I could find it.
The whole story behind it is: Microsoft has tons of absolute trash coders and no quality control because they think it'll get them cheaper software. Nothing gets fixed, ever.
What I still don't understand is: Why hasn't Microsoft made Win 10 ultra-modular and set up a freelance market to develop subcomponents for additional features.
That way, they can milk that freelance market, develop that OS at practically 1/100th of the cost because modularity and simplicity while keeping critical features stable.
They can then charge for Win 10 on a quarterly or yearly fee because updates and they take 95% of the incoming cashflow.
tl;dr: Webdevs, Microsoft and everyone in computers is retarded, don't go into computers.
Linux isn't any fucking better because boatware is also invading the desktop space. Pulseaudio has been around since 2004, got popular around 2006-2008, and it still sucks. We're a decade later and pic STILL related.
PA is still the best we got, because, once again: Linux is too complex!
The nail in the coffin:
What feature do you use in your OS that didn't exist in Windows 95?
THIS, is why computers are fucking garbage.
>>15469459
System in question wasn't LTSB but mainline 10 Enterprise. I'm trying LTSB next. I have zero fucking hopes, though.
The 'fix' that didn't work in question was group policy
>>15469471
UNIX design patterns can be found everywhere you look, because it fucking works. Simple shit WORKS.
Here's something that'll blow your mind: UNIX has monads. The one-liners you write? Are literally monads. Look it the fuck up.
>>15469625
Can't wait for the inevitable switch to Minix3. Perhaps the kernel and reincarnated will rub off on devs and cause them to think.
718231 No.15469923
>>15469675
>System in question wasn't LTSB but mainline 10 Enterprise. I'm trying LTSB next. I have zero fucking hopes, though.
>The 'fix' that didn't work in question was group policy
MS has gone full pajeet poo in the fucking punch bowl retarded then. IIRC Enterprise was supposed to be in the same exemption class as LTSB when w10 officially rolled out. I know they've backtracked on many other things before in order to shoot themselves in the foot better, but that is just fucking subsaharan retardation level.
808ad0 No.15470046
>>15455218
I dont think "the age of linux" will finally arrive
In theory is a nice system but it is far from practical, having to constantly and manually update everything is not comfortable for everyone normalfags sure Also Micro$hit has compatibility with all the stuff
So i think W10 may get reverse engineered to tame it or there will be some sort of unofficial update for W7 to keep it alive
If the creation of an OS was so simple it would already be done but adaptation of an already existing product seems more feasible
But companies that need to keep with actualized structures will surely drop W10, increasing costs is a sin, they could go to Linux or other alternatives
It WILL be interesting to watch
6c4033 No.15470083
>>15470046
>Having to constantly and manually update everything is not comfortable for everyone
If you were a linux user, you'd know that it's all completely automated and takes literally less than 2 seconds + dl time. Linux is the superior OS, that's not even debatable.
85c07d No.15470099
>>15470046
>In theory is a nice system but it is far from practical
t. person who booted up ubuntu 10 years ago and played around with it for a few minutes.
8aed39 No.15470104
>>15469492
>you will never become one of those crazed autists insane enough to make a computer virus that hijacks a computer and make everyone who watches the screen suffer from a visual subliminal flash pattern that instills a hypnotic state that forces you to go comatose
>you'll never create the ultimate virus that hijacks all the nuclear weapons platforms of the world and then pin the blame on some 14 year old pun
A man can dream, I suppose.
8aed39 No.15470109
>>15470104
>pun
That should read punk but I didn't notice it until after I re-read the post.
Commence bullying.
7e18da No.15470381
>>15469675
>What feature do you use in your OS that didn't exist in Windows 95?
LAN networking, journaled filesystems, utf8, pre-emptive multitasking and protection of kernel memory?
At least pick a better target: what do you need that couldn't have been done in XP
db6910 No.15471009
>>15470046
In Linux, any software worth half a soggy shit is distributed from a package repo. These repos are updated as soon as the dev has a new version. The only bitch is when a dev leaves and someone has to fork his code to a new repo.
be5be5 No.15471058
>>15468727
>GUI program that EXECUTES CLI COMMANDS for you
it's effectively the same as pasting stuff into a terminal or double-clicking a script/exe, you dip. The user can't just blindly run it and still needs to pay attention to dependencies. That's why self-contained package formats are gaining traction. If you weren't a brainlet you'd probably have gotten it the first time around.
the core issue preventing mass exodus from Shitdows (apart from vendor lock-in) is people just want to be able to run shit blindly and offload maintenance and knowing shit to someone else. when people say they want GUIs, they want retard-friendly stripped-down, one-size-fits-all, one-click solutions with pointless eyecandy, and they want it to be the main, primary way of doing things; front and center. usually to the detriment and exclusion of everything else (because if you need to reach for the more 'advanced controls' to accomplish something, it's worthless). that's what I was saying.
Not that it matters anyomre now that even the kernel is getting seized by SJWs and their CoCs.
>99.999% of people will not need to ever hear a word about QoS
yeah then explain why the fuck searching for QoS yields countless results pointing to leddit with complaints about 'torrents', 'netflix', and 'meanie roommates' hogging the internet.
and unsurprisingly, 99% of QoS on stock router firmware super simplified controls, hardly any features, and does jack shit against latency (on top of only affecting uploads). what truly works? CFW router with CLI tools (iptables+tc), what a shocker. with some tinkering I was able to achieve 0-80 added ms. still 20x more usable than 3000+ ms. i'm sure someone more knowledgeable could do even better
ccd0b0 No.15475295
>>15470109
Bullying commenced!
f2209f No.15475828
I've been happily mostly windows free for years now. What little windows-specific stuff I need I run in a VM. Games aren't even a problem any more. If you're a total brainlet try Mint. Works out of the box and it's very solid.
91b297 No.15476170
GNU/Linux has actually seen a substantial uptick in ports the last several years. I don't appreciate that most of them are lazy fucking Mono "ports", but at least it's something.
91b297 No.15476182
>>15455866
Too bad recent games mostly suck ass. Wine still has a lot of compatibility for older games it needs to work out. In some cases they've even broken older games that once worked flawlessly and never went back to fix the problem.
270538 No.15476668
>>15471058
>it's effectively the same as pasting stuff into a terminal
If you really think this then you're completely blind to the concept of user friendliness.
>double-clicking a script/exe
Yes, that's effectively what it is. A way to download software by clicking it from the website. It's even better however since it combines the downloading and installation process into one.
>people just want to be able to run shit blindly and offload maintenance and knowing shit to someone else
Wow, it's like you're so close to seeing why Linux needs this kind of stuff to become popular. People just want to drive their car and offload maintenance and knowing shit to someone else, surprisingly not everyone wants to be a car mechanic.
>The user can't just blindly run it and still needs to pay attention to dependencies
This whole argument is basically implying that Linux is broken deep inside. If you can't install software without breaking completely unrelated software, then Linux itself is fundamentally broken. If I use library X version 1.4 in my software, the computer better use that exact version of that exact fucking library because my software was MADE TO USE IT. If it should be updated then the software should be updated to use the new version.
>when people say they want GUIs, they want retard-friendly stripped-down, one-size-fits-all, one-click solutions with pointless eyecandy, and they want it to be the main, primary way of doing things; front and center
That's your autistic imagination and a way to justify your fear of change. Just because sanfran hipsters jerk each other off about their dumbed down flat design bullshit doesn't mean you can't have something that's more flexible and accommodates more options. Even if you add a GUI to literally everything, that does not imply removing anything from the Terminal.
b259cc No.15477008
>>15469675
>Boatware
The main problem with Docker is people are getting more and more invested in it, while its main problems are still being solved. It's one giant mess that will eventually be replaced by something that answers all of its problems in a better way.
3a87ba No.15477081
>>15470046
> having to constantly and manually update everything
Is what Windows users need to do, since on Windows automatically updating 3rd party software is impossible for the most part. Meanwhile on Linux you can have basically everything updated automatically since most software you use should come from repositories(either the distro's own or third-party).