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Without being a cinematic game?

>>15448569

I think you could do it without being a cinematic game. I know Red Orchestra 2 is hated, and rightfully so, but it does create moments of horror using visuals and sound. I'd just like to see that done in a more refined (and fucking optimized ) way.

Because people conflate "Gore" with "Shock Value" and don't actually think about blood and guts in any meaningful way except to get a cheap gawk.

>>15448565

>why don’t games make people sick to their stomachs to play them

Seek neurological help.

>>15448661

I'm sorry you don't like horror games.

>>15448676

>can’t even reply to what was said

Seek neurological help.

>>15448661

>>15448691

>neurological help

Just call it like it is, (((psychiatry))).

Starcraft Broodwar kind of did this.

>>15448565

Remember Spec Ops The Whine? because that unleashed more pretentious fucking leeches to this industry.

Final fantasy type 0?

The big problem with this is that games, by necessity, compress time. But in reality, one of the things that makes death horrible is that it's SLOW. In a video game, if the guy next to you gets shot in the stomach and runs out of HP, he just crumples over and dies. But in reality, if a guy on a battlefield gets shot in the stomach, it will likely take HOURS for him to die. Slowly bleeding to death while going into shock and sepsis. Most of that in screaming agony and existential horror, and then later into disjointed babbling and drifting in and out of consciousness. At some point before the final moment he'll probably lose control of his bladder and bowels. And the whole time you'll be there, trying to comfort him while knowing you can't save him, that help won't arrive in time, and knowing that you may very well be next because the gunfire and explosions keep getting closer…

No. No video game can replicate this outside of fully immersive VR where, most importantly, YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S A GAME.

Add in some permadeath aspect to party members, deny savescummers.

>>15448676

You don't seem to understand how horror as a genre works.

agreed OP

>>15448715

Reported.

>>15448721

I’m explicitly calling for actual help. If I wanted him NOT to get better, I would have said psychiatry.

In Red Orchestra 2 you used to be able to hear the players who had been fatally shot screaming in agony and terror, crying for their mothers and such, until they finally bled to death. They patched that out for some reason.

>>15448944

>I'm unironically shitposting

okay kid

>>15448869

>dude we shouldn't even try because it isn't real haha!

Fucking kill yourself. You don't need to make it absolutely 1:1 to real life retard. Just add proper realistic gore, wounds, death rattle, screams and animations. You don't need to make NPCs bleed for hours. 60 seconds maimum is enough. The player shouldn't need to feel immersed by looking at the dying NPC directly, he just needs to listen to it's screams and later on look at the result of the battle with soldiers missing their jaw, half their face, arms, legs, guts spilled all over the place and brains splattered all over.

>>15449065

Was there a reason given for that? That seemed like one of the positives to the game

>>15448565

you have a point with sounds, not just sounds but animation as well

the issue is you will inevitably be hearing these sounds over and over, not only that but gore is video games is considered comical as opposed to serious and scary, it'd be challenging to get it right

>>15449065

rising storm 2 has that. honestly i wish they would shut up if you put a bullet in them so they stop screaming in agony

Verdun has gurgling, screaming, sobbing and an extremely low time-to-kill

>>15449812

It's funny, because 99% of the GI dying lines in Rising Storm 2 were lifted straight out of Rising Storm 1. But they only lifted the shitty and overly long ones.

>>15448565

>muh gore

Psycho

I mean, you could say Spec Ops: The Line, but that game was pretentious trash that gives you no choice fuck off with the "you could've stopped playing horseshit but then blames you, the player, specifically like as if you made the wrong choice. Originally the devs even had the idea of making a second route if you decided not the use the willy pete, but in the end they chose to scrap it because they wanted to hamfist their "you're not supposed to be having fun with this game" bullshit. smug cunts, if I spent half an hour downloading that garbage fire, I'm not buying your bullshit about quitting halfway through or I'm a bad person

>>15449873

Spec Ops The Line wasn't talking directly to YOU, the player. Every warning it gave out was for Walker.

It's not you who're given no choice to stop playing; it's Walker who didn't want to stop. There was never any choice for you to make to begin with. You, the player, are just tagging along for the ride, witnessing what Walker did.

Only when you realize you're just spectating the story, rather than being an active party, does it make sense.

>>15449937

The game specifically talks to you, and the devs even said that it was the intended point. Go circlejerk about "muh 2deep4u not just another shitty brown shooter" somewhere else.

http://archive.is/hOqkD

>>15450002

>Molycuck posting

What next? You're going to post Jordan Peterson?

>>15450013

anon, have you played Tannenburg and does it still retain the same feeling as Verdun?

>>15449065

>They patched that out for some reason.

No they didn't you retard

>>15450064

Yes they did faggot. The majority of the screams were removed, you rarely hear any screaming now, and it's usually the same ones. There used to be dozens of different ones and were much more common

>>15450106

>The majority of the screams were removed, you rarely hear any screaming now, and it's usually the same ones. There used to be dozens of different ones and were much more common

They still do

Same in Rising Storm 1/2

>>15450032

I haven't tried it so I couldn't say.

>>15450180

>OOGA BOOGA WE IS LIBATOR AN SHEIT TIME FO ME TO GO MERC DAT KAIZER SON OOK OOK

>>15449095

Reported for spam. You have nothing to add.

>>15450345

Anon stop beign retarded, the french did field and use african colonial troops in ww1 on the western front, thats a fact.

What makes it more petty is that hes only one of the 5 playable characters.

>>15450462

Deep down you know that if the current year pozz hasn't set in they wouldn't have bothered to include the colonial African soldiers. But then again the French is and has always been known as nigger fetishists so their inclusion in game says a lot more about France than about the devs.

>>15448565

>wanting post modernist garbage that tries to make you feel bad instead of letting you have fun

How about you fuck off back to reddit?

>>15451387

>>Beniggered France in 100 years

*The niggering/nigrification of France in 100 years

>>15451387

>Realism in art is distinctly the opposite of post modernist

Post modernism is all about evoking disgust and shame in audiences. Our ancestors used to glorify war and those that participated in it. It's the leftists that want to make war a bad thing, mostly because they want white populations to stay docile and not resist their replacement.

>>15451405

Seeing war in all of its terror IS glorifying it. To sanitize it and make it worthless like in CoD strips it of its beauty, as pomos like to. A game like Red Orchestra that portrays how horrifying, loud, and disorienting combat has more respect for the soldiers who fought the wars it depicts than something like CoD or other basic military shooters, where guns feel anemic and people just gently fall over when shot or blown up. The fact that people face war bravely DESPITE it being terrifying is what all military glory is derived from.

>>15451405

If anything then "YEAH BRO GIMME THAT ROCKETLAUNCHER" games are what shits on said ancestors sacrifices. Being honest about war does not mean that you are producing crybaby anti-war propaganda.

>>15449873

The game should've given the player multiple routes kind of like VNs if it wanted to make a point. Even one route were the protag could have followed his orders to the letter and just turn back and leave Dubai once he found out there were survivors (even if this would give a very early ending).

>>15451428

>A game like Red Orchestra

That fails to do what you claim it does. Sure, the guns are realistic, and it's loud, but it's still a game. Same with Arma and any other military "simulator".

Also, you calling Call of Duty "worthless" just goes to show how clueless you actually are. My guess is you're too young to even have played CoD 1 or 2, let alone any of the other considering you're sprouting memes you picked up somewhere.

>>15451440

>Being honest about war does not mean that you are producing crybaby anti-war propaganda.

Yet it's usually what happens.

>>15449989

>>15449866

Fucking christcuck moralfags

>>15451466

> My guess is you're too young to even have played CoD 1 or 2

Played them both, both generic linear coridor shooters based on action films

>>15451479

Yeah, sure. Go pretend someplace else.

>dude war is brutal and sad lmao

war is actually fun

t.been in one

>>15451466

Not him, but I remember playing CoD 2 on PS2 at a friend's house many years ago and not liking it. I thought it was boring.

I think too many people are just blinded by nostalgia for the games. They were never anything special.

>>15451458

On how many levels of footfagotry is this on?

You guys remember a few years ago when Kojima kept saying he wanted to try pulling this off? I wonder what happened to that.

>>15451495

It's more ryonafaggotry. She shot that hole through her foot so it could be fucked and cut a hole in her thigh to be fucked before that.

>>15451487

Hiding behind cover while waiting for air support to bomb 4 sandnigged hiding in some bushes is not war, atleast not for you.

>>15451493

You do realize CoD 2 for PC and the PS2 were completely different games, right? Oh, but I forget, I'm dealing with underage cretins that get all their talking points from YouTube, that have never played an early Medal of Honor game, that have never played an MP match of Call of Duty and don't know the games were highly respected when they came out, for the gameplay, the multiplayer and the attempt to depict war in a less sterile and moralizing way.

>>15451506

In all likelihood he and Konami had creative differences over it. You can feel the corporate arguments while playing certain parts of MGSV.

>>15451522

Do you expect an army made up of spics, niggers and women to actually pose a challenge to Ahmed and his herd of goats? It's a miracle they don't bomb themselves 9 out of 10 times when they do call an artillery barrage.

>>15451531

MGSV had great core gameplay, and pretty much fails at everything else. Kojima was outed as a complete cuck with it. Instead of a story of a man's fall from grace we get a medic LARPing and saving niglets.

>>15451539

Hispanics are not bad at war mate, i will accept what you said about women and niggers though.

>>15451577

>Hispanics are not bad at war mate

Is that why a 100 Moors smashed their empire to pieces?

>>15451602

The fuck are you even talking about?

That didnt happen.

If youre talking about the muslim conquest of hispania, there werent any hispanics yet, and that wasnt an empire, it was a bunch of visigoths taxing old roman cities and fighting each other.

>>15451577

Mexicans have never won a war. Spics suck at everything.

>>15451642

Mexico is a single country amongst many different hispanic countries, and they have won wars, 2 against the french at that.

>>15451653

>Beating the French

>An accomplishment

I guess the Vietnamese must be fucking fantastic at war then.

>>15451661

Keep moving that goalpost anon, im sure that makes you feel smarter.

>>15451524

>getting this upset that people don't like the same games you do

Are you alright, anon? Some people just don't like the CoD games, you don't have to be an underage or some shit to dislike them.

>>15451653

Mexicans are exactly like every other spic in the world. Spaniards are not spics though.

>>15451674

That is completely false.

>>15451466

>>15451484

>>15451524

>an actual CoD fanboy in 2018

>on /v/ of all places

>getting extremely butthurt over the series being denied the "rightful praise" he believes it deserves

o I am laffin, Quake and Half-Life were better and those came out years beforehand

>>15451687

>CoD 1 and 2 are bad games

You cretins aren't even trying anymore.

>>15451694

No, but they were extremely generic even for the time. They were Medal of Honor clones, and even MoH itself wasn't a great series.

>>15451682

>survive the occasional firefight the remaining 10%

More like 1% all of my friends that deployed had to begrudgingly eventually admit that their kill count was 0

Modern armed conflict just makes soldiers into glorified badge niggers but they pretend to be heroes. Or worse the ammo boy in the chair force thinks he's a hero now.

>>15451666

>Keep moving that goalpost anon, im sure that makes you feel smarter.

A shitskin that is bragging about beating the French then being too much of a nigger to check IDs shouldn't cast a shadow on someone else.

>>15451699

nah COD 2 was mindblowing when it came out in comparison to medal of honor don't fucking rewrite history.

>>15451685

Prove it, every spic I have ever seen is the same smelling of feces and rotten flesh subhuman regardless of their origin nation.

would there be rape?

>>15451723

Im not bragging, neither am i mexican, im stating a fact.

And i know youre a different poster, but youre moving the goalpost of the conversation like a total asshat.

>>15451734

How can i even know youve seen a fucking mexican in the first place and not someone from central america?

How the fuck would i even prove to you that the countries are different?

>>15451749

>How can i even know youve seen a fucking mexican in the first place and not someone from central america?

By talking to them. Also Mexicans won't shut the fuck up about tacos or how Texas belongs to them and such. Spics are worse than niggers.

>>15451762

> Also Mexicans won't shut the fuck up about tacos or how Texas belongs to them and such

Anon fuck right off, even speedy gonzales is a more accurate depiction of them that your mental caricature.

>>15448586

They actually managed to break that mechanic with a patch most of the longer death screams either don't play or get cut off they also turned down the death spasm after some people complained or they also broke that i can't remember on that one

The stress doesn't come from killing people, it comes from not being able to kill people. Reminder that the US army gives support to Afghans, and that soldiers are prohibited from interfering with the traditional Afghan practice of Bacha Bazi, otherwise known as boy-loving.

>>15451634

That's what living in the most "cultured" nation in all Europe does to you: you become utterly arrogant as all the faggot nobles are. Frogs beheaded their own nobility just to become them. French is the second worst language in the world after Mandarin.

>>15451772

>speedy gonzales

>accurate

You mean Slowpoke Rodriguez. There is nothing speedy about mexicans.

>>15451682

My time in Ukraine was fun as fuck, never a dull moment.

>>15451922

Not a fan but then, I don't particularly enjoy guro lewds

>>15448565

>depict the utter brutality of war?

Because it's not, in the immediate moment, which is when everything that happens in a war shooter happens. There's no even that much gore - if you look at pics of soldier corpses online, you'll see most of them don't have really "gory" injuries – their heads and bodies don't explode into viscera when hit. The really disgusting part comes afterwards, when their bodies become bloated, their uniform stretching and nearly bursting from the swollen meat underneath, and generally look as though the tiniest prickle will send them bursting into a cloud of rotting meat and maggots. I think the most disturbing ones are those whose eyes bulge out of their sockets due to the swelling, becoming morbidly large while also slowly rotting. Now imagine coming to such a body and being asked to pat it down and loot anything of worth, due to the nature of guerilla warfare where you can't afford to waste ammunition and weapons just because it's disgusting.

Of course, in a shooter, you usually mow down fifty dudes in like five minutes, loot them all in another two, and move on, and never have to see any of this, since why the hell would you sit around and wait for corpses to rot?

>>15451955

I've been mostly looking at casualties in Yemen – not much close quarters combat, but shitloads of corpses left rotting in the sun.

>>15448565

>utter brutality of war

>comically infantilized animu head

I'm not a perfect realism autist, but come on.

>>15451963

Fighting in the summer/hot places is just nasty.

>>15448565

also, the idea that gore would actually add much to this is a mistake. First, it'd be controversial. Then it'd either be a failure and not be repeated, or it'd be a success, be replicated everywhere, and the public at large would become desentivised to it and just not care. If you want to actually capture the terror, you need to make it clear to the player that one mistake will cost them their life, that it can happen in a moment, and that they only have that one life – that's the terror. I can't very well imagine a way of how to make the player mortified that his NPC allies can also get their heads blown off in a moment, but with a permadeath system (or at least very, very few and far between checkpoints), he can at the very least be mortified of his character dying, as it'd mean starting over. There's a very different way to how you play a game where you can save at any moment, and where you cannot.

>>15448565

Fire Emblem is kind of like this.

>>15451475

You forgot

>It's easy to implement but devs are lazy faggots.

Not war, but I found GTA IV to give you that kind of experience in a lot of small arms gunfights. If you don't get headshots you can unload an entire magazine of a SMG into an enemy's chest and he twitches and yelps with every bullet, then collapses to the floor and screams, sometimes crawling towards his friends while crying in pain. If that game had gore it'd be some top tier PTSD material.

>>15448565

>why isn't gore used more often

Coz we're not 12 year olds in the 1990s freaking out over mortal kombat.

The trick to showing the brutality of war is to go into how it effects people not just while it's happening but after it's done. Doing that requires skilled writers though, and the industry has hardly any of those.

>>15450013

I have a short story that made me do a double take at what happened. Probably the first time I was spooked by a game that wasn't horror related. I was in a bunker holding down the line with some guy in my squad when I heard a sniper round fly right past my head. I turned to run out of the bunker but stopped dead in my tracks as the guy next to me had his fucking jaw shot off, gurgling up blood. Really surreal if you ask me.

>>15448565

Gore isn't the utter brutality of war. War crimes are. I want to shoot a family of six into a ditch because they won't tell me where a weapons cache is. Now THAT would be interesting.

>>15452514

War crimes are just a jewish trick to cripple white militaries vs shitskins. If it works anything is a valid military tactic, not a crime.

>>15452543

Enjoy valid asymmetrical warfare that follows such valid military tactics.

>>15452543

>fire bombing and nuking civilians is ok

>>>/britpol/

>>15452543

I bet you love the current "migrant crisis".

100% legal, 100% effective genocide.

Nothing like a good sick to your stomach as watching cute anime girls getting blown apart. Wish someone made a game so sick you wouldnt want to play it anymore because it makes you sick. Shame.

>>15452775

>wahhh, i didn't think of if first

you deserve to go extinct. smh tbh fam

>>15451699

>even for the time

Confirmed for contrarian newfag

>>15452543

That's why I posted that. I did 3 deployments to Afghanistan. If higher had let us make the locals hurt, we could've won. Instead, we built them irrigation canals and guarded their poppy fields. God, I can't wait to kill leftists and conservatards. I think it's the only thing that willl extinguish my hate, at this point.

>>15450113

Ever since they patched it out I haven't heard anything. You must be a new player to RO2 if you think what they have now is anything like what they had: loud and unnerving screaming/blood gurgling/crying.

>utter brutality of war

but muh harder times make stronger men

>>15451682

>The middle east represents the reality of war

I smell a burger

>>15452543

The only war crime is losing

>>15455804

Correction: the only war crime is winning for an ungrateful people or losing

>>15452543

>>15452576

War crimes are nothing but a political pretext to make propaganda. They have no effect on the ground. USA violated international treaties and commited countless war crimes In Iraq and Afghanistan. Sauds are doing them right now in Yemen. Nobody cares. But when it comes to bad goys like Assad in Syria, they happily make up some imaginary war crimes so as to try and justify US presense in Syria.

War crimes are nonsense that should be abolished, since they cannot work in their current state. In order to work, there would have to be a court that is impartial and pro-active enough to actually prosecute EVERY war crime justly, and which would have the necessary power to ensure the punishment gets carried out. No such institution exists.

>>15455345

>>15455323

>>15455651

Hard times don't make strong men.

Hard times kill off the weak men that created the hard times, so strong men can destroy the hard times, thus allowing weak men to return.

>>15457217

That sounded pretty homo tbh.

>>15457217

That's pretty inaccurate as well anon, hard times kill off both types of men. The ones to survive are those who hold power and created the hard times, using both strong and weak men as meat shields against the storm. Just so that the cycle can repeat itself.

>>15457339

Thats not the point, the point is that war in the middle east isnt an actual war for the US because the muslims cant barely hit back.

>>15457354

It's asymmetrical war, but still war. It's not measured by the military prowess or power of either side, it has people killing each other either way.

>>15455286

I own it on physical and have so since 2011.

A dissapointing shitpile but said gurgling and screaming after death are still there after all this time.

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking