/v/ - Video Games

>>15435530

VTMB makes a bad first impression. Some of the voices have this weird echo, the combat is clunky and there is a bunch of forced camera scenes. But then once you get into it for a bit in santa monica you realize how amazing it is.

>>15435537

>VTMB

Sorry, anon. I never played that game, so I can't comment on it.

>starts off like pretty much any JRPG

>every anon who recommends it keeps mentioning Nightmare difficulty

>the first 30 minutes are a complete and utter bore, just bumping into the same three enemies until I get enough gold to progress the story while the same shitty 30 second loop plays in the background

>Stats are so fucked the jump from level 1 to level 2 is absurdly insane, Level 1 you get one shot by certain enemies and take 10 bumps to kill, level 2 feels like the game dropped 6 difficulty levels

>Get told to go to some shrine

>Hey this music isn't bad at all

>Get to the first boss

And then I got the appeal of the Ys series.

>>15435807

I assume you mean either Ys 1 or 2

>>15435836

Yeah. I had the same misgivings with Felghana but Origins and Dawn of Ys(the PCE version of 4) started off really good.

Still haven't tried the ones with the party system though.

>>15435857

Why DID they get rid of the perfectly functional estus system?

>>15435891

I have absolutely no clue. And even after having beaten the game, I can't see why the change was made at all. Maybe it's because Bloodborne was originally going to be a Demons Souls' sequel. And it was so the game would be more like Demons instead of Dark Souls. But the system in Demons Souls sucked too so…

>>15435771

>It's shocking how companies can get away with designing games for controllers.

Nothing wrong with it.

The game may be designed for whatever they want it to be designed for, be it controllers, touchscreens, typing, etc. The only problem is when they port it over and don't make a good job adapting the controls.

Dark souls controls CAN work on KB+M, even if it's still better on controllers, they just made the keyboard controls poorly.

>>15435908

I disagree.

Keyboard controls are always binary. Button pressed or button not pressed. Of course there are modifyers, like ALT+button pressed or SHIFT+button pressed, but due to human anatomy and sometimes technical restrains (some keyboards won't register more than 3 buttons pressed at the same time) you can not achieve the same level of fine control as with a stick. At the same time you won't ever be able to move as precisely with a stick as with a keyboard, simply because the keyboard's binary nature of a keyboard.

It's always a tradeoff.

>>15435771

>The game map is so packed full of shit that it feels more like one of these city-carpets that everyone used to have in their bedroom.

This is why I honestly don't take much criticism of BOTW seriously, especially the complaints about "vast empty areas" since those have a purpose as well.

The sense of scale of a truly large world comes from the distance between locations. If you can walk a few steps and be at the next landmark, the whole place feels tiny and cramped.

I liked BotW specifically because going from one location to another felt like an actual journey, planning the route you'd take and enjoying the view from horseback while you went there.

The incredibly huge mountains (that I knew I could scale if I wanted) the large valleys and forets, the long rivers, all of it made traveling around a very relaxing and fun experience without having to constantly drop landmarks with quests and unique stuff to find.

If anything, the game needed even more content for that kind of experience, like bedrools to camp out and fishing rods.

And even then, there's plenty of things to find around and switch you from walking to exploration\combat if you keep an eye for it.

Rain World.

Get past the obtuse controls and finish the game you fucking niggers. Once you get used to the procedural animation, everything becomes extremely fluid and you can do some amazing shit.

>>15435979

Also, play with a god damn controller. Every complaint I've heard about the controls are because you guys are elitists who NEED to use your keyboard to play the game. It is not meant to be played with a keyboard, just use a controller and get over it.

>>15435807

Imagine my absolute fucking surprise when I started playing the first Etrian Odyssey and I got dumped right into this dungeon after creating my party, no hour long intros or or handholding or forced tutorials or anything, except for the initial mapping task which comes naturally when you start out anyways

I can't tell your how much of a breath of fresh air it was when I was five minutes in and actually playing the game

>>15435923

>Keyboard controls are always binary.

>you can not achieve the same level of fine control as with a stick

That's precisely why the games need to be designed for different input methods.

Depending on what the game features or requires, one input method will be better than others, so it's better that the game is primarily designed with that best fitting control-scheme in mind.

>>15436016

My main problem with that one was the absolute lack of direction.

I like figuring stuff by myself, but the game's design makes it so unclear where you need to go and gives you so many options, that it's very easy to get stuck in a place you really shouldn't be.

The yellow thing "guiding" you is dumb as shit, too. You've no reason to believe it's guiding you towards your goal, and nothing you see along the way points to it being the case. After I reached where it was telling me to go, I did the only thing I could do there and when I left it told me to Fuck off and disappeared. I finally gave in after this bizarre event and looked it up on google what happened, and apparently I was supposed to just reach the place, and then leave without doing anything there to actually progress in a meme sub-quest. Fucking retarded game design. Later I decided to just ignore that and go wherever I felt like going, then got stuck in a place I couldn't progress because I couldn't reach high enough (throwing a spears at a wall didn't help, too) and would have to backtrack like an idiot and then it was byebye to that game for me.

>>15436045

There is no real clear way to go, the game is centered around exploration. The best advice I can give is to explore the areas you haven't been yet and keep moving upwards. Things pick up the further along you ago and you eventually get uplifted and understand the language of the old civilization.

>>15436027

And is it a good game? I'd really be into more JRPGs if they played good(like Ys or Lufia).

>>15435639

By the sounds of things you were about to give up on a game without even having the patience for the opening cutscene.

>>15435639

ASAMU is pretty fun. Once you beat the game you can look up how speedrunners break it.

>>15435963

>I liked BotW specifically because going from one location to another felt like an actual journey, planning the route you'd take and enjoying the view from horseback while you went there.

This is the reason why I think many people install survival mods for Skyrim and fuck off into the woods in the south or to the far northern ice sheets. There is less stuff to invade into your immersion into a wide and open world than the entire central tundra.

That area is the worst offender. You can't walk for more than a hundred meters along a path without coming across a bandit hideout, giant camp, an abandoned fortress, a dungeon, or something else. And the worst part is that you can see everything from miles away. So you know what is awaiting you. It's not even hidden. It's not even exploration. You can fucking see it.

Any other area in that map at least pretends that the locations are hidden behind a bend in the road, or some "thick" vegetation, or on a less traveled path forking from the main roads.

>with quests and unique stuff to find.

>unique

If it at least was unique stuff. The random encounters with wolves add nothing but boring combat, bandits become a chore after level 5, and stormcloaks/imperials/elves are just different flavors of bandits tbh.

What else is there? Dungeons that lead into Blackreach. How unique. Caves with trolls and bears. How challenging. A couple Dwemer ruins on the way. Why not?

At this point they could have made the dungeons randomly generated and I wouldn't even notice.

>>15435530

There's games I've played because people insist they're classics and I give them more than a fair shot, but they're total garbage. I think people get blinded by nostalgia.

>>15435979

>>15435985

>>15436016

You could have just said "it's obtuse but worth it, controller recommended". No need for this fucking triple post sperg out.

>>15435738

I know what you mean. The "theme park" effect, where it feels like everything in the world was designed for your character (not you as a player, but the internal logic of the game setting ends up like this). Lack of difficulty doesn't help either. If it lacks difficulty then at least make your character seem like a demigod, so it makes sense when you're the first person to loot a dungeon. In Skyrim no one else has looted those thousand year old tombs even though all it took was spamming fireballs to get to the loot.

>>15436048

The problem is that the game encourages exploration and experimenting but also punishes you for it.

You reach that lady with stuck with the floaty things and if you try to do anything at all you're wrong, specially if you do the only thing you seem to be of impact, that is eating one of the things. You're supposed to just go to where it tells you to, and then leave. WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO GO THERE TO DO NOTHING, JUST TO LEAVE? There's a person there, there's something she wats us to do, that's one of the few places where some sort of communication would be acceptable and welcome in the game but she just stays there and says nothing and you're supposed to realize that you reached there for nothing, just to leave so the thing would give you a new destination for no reason. That's just retarded.

Also, about exploring new places, if you just go somewhere "you're not supposed to go" you're just fucked. I reached a sjungle like place underground that was very deep and far away from the starting point, just to realise I couldn't progress further because I lacked something.

That wouldn't be so much of a problem if not for the "fast travel" mechanic being broken. I got it, saved it until after I reached that shit brain girl, then used it without knowing what it was bacause the only way to know what it is is by using it, tried choosing the starting area in case it was a travel thing to check stuff I didn't back then, and then surprise surprise, it was a one time use only thing, have fun losing all that progress.

After all this shit happened in sequence I just didn't feel like backtracking trough all that lost progess anyomore, by that point I felt it was best just to start a new save file, and after hours of gameplay, having a "negative gain" from all your exploration really kills your motivation. Shame, I enjoyed playing it.

>>15436045

He's my rules for determing what a game should be played with. Does the game require precise, instant controls? Keyboard and/or mouse.

Does the game utilize momentum and you cannot change directions easily? Use a controller.

Controllers simulate the feeling of "shifting weight" around like if you're playing AssCreed or Darksouls, but fail at instant precise inputs needed for things like shooters. meanwhile with mouse and keyboard, you can try your hardest to put in specific commands, but because the game is momentum based, it won't matter that you've done the inputs super fast.

>>15435857

>not noticing that the big dumb brick guys drop at least 2 vials almost every time

Nigga what do you do with your existence

>>15436128

Here's how I do it.

Does it constantly require point coordinate precision (point&clicking, aiming a croshair) or tons of mappings(hotkeys, weapon swapping) or straight out typing: KB+Mouse

Anything else: Controller.

There are some exceptions, though.

Games like some Resident Evils feature prominent aiming, but are simply designed around controllers slower aiming, so it's just best to use them as the devs intended as a better game experience.

Some games that feature lots of hotkeys I also prefer to avoid using them or make complicated custom mappings just for the comfort of using a controller.

We basically do the opposite. I prefer controllers so I use it whenever I can, but sometimes a KB+M is really needed for the games to play well. Vice Versa I guess.

>>15436045

>That's precisely why the games need to be designed for different input methods.

That's usually not possible, depending on the game. It's like adapting a book to a movie. You can get a very good and serviceable approximation, but if you want to play the game the way the creator intentioned (which is usually the most enjoyable way) then you need to go to the source.

Flight sims with keyboard and mouse are a good example. I have played combat flightsims where mouse controls were serviceable. But a joystick+keyboard player who knows how the flight model works will win every time because they are manipulating the virtual control surfaces of the aircraft on a 1 to 1 basis.

>>15436178

I meant that different games need different input methods, not that a single game needs to have various input methods in mind from the start.

The first Splatterhouse gave me a bad first impression from looking at some gameplay of it. Then I actually played it and it became one of my favorite games.

Devil Survivor 2's early game is miserable.

>Battle soundtrack is eh

>These demon race skills are underwhelming

>SP shortage 4-5 turns in

>Companions are walking stereotypes

>My companion is always a point short of being able to equip this skill and won't get it for another 3 levels

>What's the point of 'Survivor' when we have food and shelter each night

Then around day 3 you've experienced the other half of the soundtrack which is somewhat better, the attrition issues are reduced, you actually have enough macca to take advantage of auction special offers when they come up, Auto skills become available, Joint Crack makes fights more flexible, demon race skills may begin to evolve into the superior versions, and your companions develop a bit. The ending goes way into the Power Of Friendship deal and even then you won't get the absolute best without following a guide to know who to see and what to say each day, but is still good gameplay.

>gotta make it absolutely clear I'm pirating and the game isn't new so my fellow anons know I'm cool