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According to bethesda the whole war in mojave was work of aliens. So maybe Yes Man is an alien.

House,he has the best intentions to keep things running at least.

>>15424221

Going by the epilogue of each ending, the upgraded Yesman private army ending was the best thing to ever happen to Vegas and the Mojave.

>>15424242

Legion is homosexual.

>>15424240

>according to retards

Fixed that for you.

>>15424242

>the faction based on the decrepit, decadent, degenerate Romans is Mongolian tier

How about no? The Great Khan ending is the best ending.

House is the best for humanity in the big picture. He doesn't give a fuck about the common man, but the common man is going to get dragged along his path of progress regardless of House's intentions anyway. (friendly reminder that the Brotherhood deserved it)

NCR is as bad as the modern U.S. in most respects. It's the perfect option for those who don't pay much attention.

Legion is doomed to die within 50 years of the events in NV in addition to being morally atrocious.

Independent Vegas likely won't last after the courier dies. The lack of a central figure, true to its namesake really is a wildcard. I think that this option is the second best after House.

>>15424221

>Yes Man

It's in the fucking name, he'll just tell you whatever you want to hear, even if that means you'll turn the Mojave into an even bigger shitshow than it already is.

>House

The problem with House is that we don't know whether or not he'll actually keep his word, though I think it's fair to say that every bit of evidence supports the idea that he has noble intentions. He's the most sensible option, even if he does turn out to be a mad king at some point.

>NCR

On the one hand, they're entrenched in the "politics" of a hierarchy that doesn't necessarily reward the most intelligent or capable people, and instead rewards seniority. On the other hand, they've got the power, resources, and the desire to make the Mojave a better place for the average citizen. Even though they're not perfect, they're probably the better choice over the Legion

>Legion

They're a bunch of radicalized, nigger tier bandits who revolve around a cult of personality. They justify their brutality and dubious behavior by veiling it under the guise of "enlightened culture". At best, they're great warriors with a sense of conviction and purpose; at worst, they're a cult with a blood lust that was mobilized by a megalomaniac, and all to fulfill some vague delusions of grandeur.

House > NCR > Legion > Yes Man

>>15424221

House is objectively the best ending for the mojave and for the ncr.

why couldn't they make the romans not stupid? romans are based

>>15424345

the yes man ending implies yes man takes over

>>15424350

>Yes-Man, it's in the name!

It's just a nick-name provided by Benny. He offers a lot of advice in an overly friendly, yet sarcastic manner. Implying that he has an ulterior motive himself. In fact, Yes-Man is the worst ending because he implies he is taking over Vegas for himself with his reprogramming. The "wild card" ending is called it, not because you will be in charge but Yes-man. A complete unknown.

>>15424389

>>15424388

Avellone, and the obsidian team refuted this, saying it was meant that he could run vegas in your stead while you continued to explore but were in charge. It was a holdover for when they were still trying to let you explore fnv after the main quest like fallout 3 let you do.

>>15424350

>They're a bunch of radicalized, nigger tier bandits who revolve around a cult of personality. They justify their brutality and dubious behavior by veiling it under the guise of "enlightened culture". At best, they're great warriors with a sense of conviction and purpose; at worst, they're a cult with a blood lust that was mobilized by a megalomaniac, and all to fulfill some vague delusions of grandeur.

And the scary part is that they are a better option than the petty tribal bullshit in the post nuclear wastes. But as it was said, the trade routes are clear and your life is far better off than it was before, so long as you don't get in their way. Problem is that it is very easy to get in their way. But that's not much different than living on a piece of land that the Brahmin Ranchers in California want and they don't feel all too generous toward you.

>>15424389

>He offers a lot of advice in an overly friendly, yet sarcastic manner. Implying that he has an ulterior motive himself

Maybe I'm just thick, but I got the impression that he was a bit of a retard, and that he'd be absolutely incapable of doing anything meaningful with House's legion of robots. Granted, I acknowledge the possibility that his "personality", as was presented in this way, may have been an intentional stylistic choice, to try and emphasize the point that a sophisticated AI could still don the persona of a retard and maintain itself in an intelligible way.

Even so, given how resourceful the player character is, I doubt it'd be outside the realm of possibility to find a way to stop Yes Man, in the event that he goes rogue, so it never occurred to me that he'd even necessarily be a threat.

>>15424434

I think it was implied that he's set to evolve and will gradually just become a simulation of Mr. House's own brainwaves, or something to that effect. It's been awhile since I last played and it was real subtle in the outro.

>>15424428

The one thing I wish Fallout NV had the most was a legion controlled town/settlement, just to see how they’d run things and how the quality of life was.

>>15424221

> inb4 /pol/ comes in and says Legion is best because REMEMBER THE ROMANS? THAT SALUTE IS PRETTY NEAT

Fuck that dude in Primm or whatever, with the crosses? Get fucking blown apart, dog bitch.

>>15424428

>But as it was said, the trade routes are clear and your life is far better off than it was before, so long as you don't get in their way. Problem is that it is very easy to get in their way. But that's not much different than living on a piece of land that the Brahmin Ranchers in California want and they don't feel all too generous toward you.

I'd rather take my chances with the brahmin ranchers, at least with them everything is clear and you know their true intentions; they're no better off than bandits. With the Legion, as they were written in the final game, you're getting a communist-esque community whose adherence to the given culture is born partially out of a fear of retribution. I know some people like to equate it to Hitler's Nazi Germany, but in my eyes it's more of a Kim Jong Un's North Korea situation, with the exception being that some of Cesar's militarized forces actually agree with his philosophies on things. Although, I'm sure that some of Kim Jong's people genuinely believe, through their stockholm syndrome, that he's a great leader.

>I think it was implied that he's set to evolve and will gradually just become a simulation of Mr. House's own brainwaves

If this was implied, then I must've missed it, too.

>>15424434

There is a lot of dialogue that hints at him being extremely vindictive or resentful. The only piec of evidence that he is stupid comes from the whole "I was the courier who was killed". Everything else is steeped in sarcasm.

>>15424485

To quote

>I found some code snippets in one of Mr. House's databanks that will let me, um, reprogram my personality! to be a little more assertive, basically!

I always took that to mean he was going to integrate some kind of House backup into his own. Likely becoming like Mr. House in the process. Because the House always wins in the end.

>>15424221

what's the best group gameplay/fun wise though?

>>15424517

Female legionary

>>15424541

>Due to the time restraint put on New Vegas's development

how did that happen anyways? from what I've searched either bethesda forced obsidian to do it in 18 months or obsidian just said 'we can make the game in 18 months' and bethesda agreed

>>15424528

BREEDING TIME

>>15424552

>because of time restraints

You have to admit that they have the absolute time management. They wasted tons of time on trying to make different playable races like Mutant or Ghoul.

>>15424568

That idea was shot down in the very early stages of development.

For a year and a half they accomplished a lot.

>>15424558

holy fuck no way. I'm reverse image searching this shit. If this is real, everything makes sense now.

>>15424557

I believe it was bethesda being assholes like usual and telling them they only had 18 months to finish the game because of console support bullshit. There's probably more claims as to what really went on, but I think that was it.

>>15424571

Atleast they specified at some point in the game that Legion territory is the safest for caravans since there are no bandits on the roads because they're terrified of the Legion. We have that bit of information to hold dear as we speculate what it's like in the Legion territory.

>>15424642

Le oldfags Fame Gained!

>>15424571

>Child suicide bombers are ok because there's a surplus of kids

>Graham was killed 'due to incompetence' despite that it's explicitly stated he was made an example of because he lost a major battle

>The fact that legion has a spy completely removes the fact that the legion always makes sure the enemy 'knows they're knocking' on the battlefield

>Other leaders are hypocrites so it's ok

>Letting degenerates live is ok if they can spread fear and warn other degenerates

>Doesn't have an excuse for the soldiers

>Just prostitution so it's ok :^)

This is the mindset of a legionfag

>>15424812

>Just prostitution

No, sorry

>just rape so it's okay :^)

Wew lad

>>15424831

>just sodomy so it's okay :^)

ftfy

House is best, obviously.

Anyone else is better than the NCR, though. Even the game realizes this and cucks you during the NCR ending.

>>15424492

The Legion is very slightly better than the NCR due to getting shit done. One decent example is the Fiends.

>do nothing in the Fiend related quests and get the NCR, House, or Wild Card ending

>they remain a threat to New Vegas as fuckall is done

>do nothing about them with Legion

>they all get crucified

The Legion does get shit done, they're fucking assholes but they deliver on making sure the roads are safe. Still say House with a very driven Courier is the best ending though.

>>15424941

meant for >>15424541

>>15424923

>I never said it was okay

Drop the bullshit, you're bending over backwards to make excuses. The fact there might be a surplus of children is not a decent explanation for making them suicide bombers. They are innocent, and they are more likely than not white.

>es, a major battle he never should have lost

Right, so after winning multiple battles, he had a humiliating failure, and then he was thrown into the canyon by Caesar to show, quote: "failure is unacceptable regardless of rank".

>marxist

Epic my dude. If you want to try this; House sets a standard. Caesar is below that standard. If anything you're the one trying to push leftist bullshit, him being a hypocritical shit undermining his entire ideology does not need a frame of reference.

>I said it was to spread fear

Yes, and then go on to warn other degenerates. When you make excuses you are trying to twist it into a favorable light, you are trying to make it look ok.

>Housefag

Sure, so why're you playing mental limbo and bending over backwards to defend the Legion?

>Yes Man is supposedly canon

Weakest part of the DLC in my opinion. Nobody ever wants to explain exactly how anarchy works best for the Mojave. House has legion of bots, NCR their trade network and the Legion has their slaves.

What good would some unhinged AI with access to a robot army do to the Mojave?

Legion, House > Yes man > NCR

It is implied that Yes man murders you shortly after the hoover dam battle, but at least you can die without turning the land over to the commie beaurocrat fucks of the NCR. Legion is obviously based and redpilled but it's also implied caesar will die shortly after the battle and the tribes will splinter, inevitably stagnating any real progress towards some great wasteland civilization. Mr House is a degenerate fag like Michael Bloomberg, but at least you're his right hand man, and being his deputy, you wield the power while House is merely the figurehead. If all goes well, you the courier could even become quasi-immortal like him, possibly with even better technology, and live indefinitely through securitrons, or sexbots. Imagine all the power of having your consciousness in thousands of upright wheel-tanks (securitrons). The possibilites are endless. You could institute whatever type of regime you wanted, as long as it was autocratic, you could surpass the Bogdanoffs.

>>15424974

>>15424405

E-begging for downloads for Fallout 1&2

>>15424988

I don't think the dev canon matters in an RPG

>>15425001

The intention of the dialogue was not to imply that Yes Man would kill you.

>>15424941

>why the hell they didnt rolled in cars and brought heavy firepower into new vegas?

NCR is divided over whether to annex the Mojave, so they haven't authorized the full force of their military to take the region. They do have water pumps and modern medicine in New Vegas, though. They don't build their own power plant in the Mojave because they have the Dam and Helios One (even if both are causing them problems).

What's that game in your image? Looks fun.

>>15425018

I'm pretty sure that's one of the Hearts of Iron games with a Fallout mod.

>>15425018

Darkest Hour - Fallout Doomsday

>>15425018

be warned, the campaing script is broken, also it's fun how you can have planes and power armour in the 2260 but after fallout 2 its like the world never makes progress.

>>15425010

Power consolidation brother, learn about it. It would be very convenient for yes man to arrange for the courier to get involved in an accident out in the wasteland.

>>15425038

Except hes physically incapable of doing that. Did you even play the game?

>>15425044

Avellone didn't write the Legion.

Ceasar said that the intention of the Legion is not be a permanent nation, but is to conquer the NCR and create a synthesis of both nations.

>>15425044

just think how any society in fallout where there is only power and wealth is always turns to be a society full of criminals and drugs, like New Reno, and other were order is a priority tends to be a distopia, like Vault City, you can see how are the political beliefs of the writters comparing each town in Fallout 2.

>>15425048

*except for Legate Lanius, who he did write.

>>15425043

the end implication is he becomes able to do that. did you even play the game?

>>15425079

Which has been confirmed by word of god to be false. It's never even fucking implied, it's just everyone expects AI to turn on you in videogames because thats what always happens.

>>15425079

https://archive.is/1SQs5

>>15425090

>>15425091

the idea he fucks you over was confined false.

though yes man straight up says at the ending he is going to instal software to make himself more "assertive"

>>15424381

Romans were degenerates who were too busy with crucifying people and brazen bulls. Don't forget, the steam engine was invented in the 4th century by Romans, but the ignorant fucks thought if it as "just a toy".

We'd have an interplanetary civilization by now if the common Roman wasn't a complete moron. Their empire was shit and deserved to collapse.

>>15425098

fuck off retard

Legion are a bunch of niggers, and deserved to be nuked in the divide. Raping a pillaging isn't going to create a better society out of the ashes, they're just larping raiders.

>>15424476

Outside of the Mojave, apparently Legion controlled regions have a relatively good quality of life. As long as they abide by their policies, and you're not a woman anyways. Then you're just target practice or a sex slave.

>>15425101

Says the faggot who won't even take the time to use capitalization or punctuation. Did I strike a nerve, Cassius?

>>15425089

The leader of a fascist nation has the ability to install those he believes will be most loyal, who would find and eliminate corruption. If the entire leader became corrupt, a well educated populace, including the lower military, would revolt against them.

>>15425097

https://archive.is/1SQs5 addresses the meaning of that.

>>15425098

>>15425117

>We'd have an interplanetary civilization

so why shitposters are so active in late night?

>>15425120

*leadership

>>15425016

>"Yeah, I'm a housefag" the legionfag says, insulting House and saying child suicide bombers are tactically sound ergo making them ok. "Just playing devil's advocate."

>His fuckup was astronomical

I completely agree. Except he was the first legate, killed hundreds in Caesar's name, won many battles, and then had a singular albeit big fuckup. And then was disposed of. None of this changes Caesar's quote.

>You were outright engaging in strawmanning

<He says, while strawmanning

>Yes

Okay, you agree. It was a complete forewarning, telling the NCR exactly how far they can penetrate their territory and allowing them to station more troops, as shown when you tell the Mojave Outpost. Villianesqe removal and not 'tactically sound'.

The funniest thing here is that you actually think you have arguments.

>>15425120

Just like the citizens of the USSR did right?

>>15425123

If the industrial revolution happened in the 5th century, you don't think we'd be much further along in our technological development?

Legion is the best as it provides stability and a future for the legion under a strong leader and can take care of raider gangs unlike muh ncr

The legion will ultimately win regardless of the second battle of the Hoover dam due to superior supply lines, low NCR morale, instability throughout NCR lands and the legions ruthless leadership.

>>15425133

The USSR was not fascist and did not have a well educated populace. Both are evident in their adoption of communism.

The problem with Ceasar is that he only plays dirty when it fits him. He should play dirty on all fronts to gain the upper hand. You not only have to destroy your enemy, you have to wipe him off the map, and make the former members of that very society hate the old system, meanwhile any big leader has been publicly executed at the same day. No waddling through the Mojave, but embracing the full way of the old world.

He should rather be feared then loved. Even moreso in his own ranks. His thinking of losing respect when he changes combat tactics and modernizes are stupid. The ones who show respect should have their heads cut off, and the rest will follow like sheeps.

The Romans borrowed the helmet, shield and sword types from various other tribes. That is why they succeded. They were dynamic. He has to play dirty to win, simply as that.

>>15425135

not since they havent developed calculus and roman numbers are difficult to work whit, also they didnt even had a great supply of coal, it doesnt work like that.

>>15425133

>all authorianisms are the same

>>15425139

I don't think you need to be particularly well educated to realize that living in the USSR was horrible, even with the rampant censorship.

>>15425147

And when did I say that?

>>15425120

>If the entire leader became corrupt, a well educated populace, including the lower military, would revolt against them.

thats a too perfect society, if that would happen then democracy would be justified

>>15425152

>Just like the citizens of the USSR did right?

>>15425138

What leadership? If you kill Lanius and don't save Caesar, the Legion has no one to follow.

>>15425146

I'm aware it doesn't necessarily work like that but if they realized the potential of the aforementioned "toy", maybe things would have gone differently. Also, charcoal is a good substitute for small-scale use. They could have built up slowly, instead of completely disregarding the idea and rediscovering it over a millenia later in another part of the world.

>>15425000

bump

>>15425156

Are you retarded. the legion is just an army of bandits held together by their war of conquest. war economy. ideaology doesn't matter if you have wealth and weapons. figureheads as well.

>>15425155

I said that because the anon in question said that the populace and military would revolt against a corrupt leadership, and I can't think of anyone more corrupt than the Soviets.

>>15425164

But the Soviets kept their population stupid. The Fascist state won’t allow somthing like that.

>>15424250

House doesn't care about the quality of life though, the NCR even does charity work, House straight up murders the Kings for no good reason and doesn't even let you try to subvert the BoS before nuking them.

>>15424345

>It's the perfect option for those who don't pay much attention.

More like it's the perfect option for those who understand that trying to subvert everything or trying a proven-to-not-work-system rather than using a tried-and-true system is just too risky.

NCR=independent>House>Garbage>Legion.

>>15424389

Avellone explained he meant that Yes Man was becoming more Assertive in the sense that he wasn't going to just obey everyone who told him to do anything and would follow you exclusively.

>>15424476

This, I kept waiting to hear about how he tried to revive Roman civilian culture after he mentioned he got towns in Arizona but he kept talking about military.

>>15424496

It was a joke on the fact that he's fully sentient yet cannot question anybody. You'd be a dick too, like Muggy.

This is a bit off topic but anyone got a VorpeX copy they can upload somewhere? I'm not paying 40 usd to try something that might not even work

>>15425170

>House straight up murders the Kings for no good reason

The kings were rivals to house. Rather have them out of your way in the beginning, than having to fight a stronger version in the future.

>>15424965

Keep civilian order, facilitate interstate commerce, take nationwide decisions and establish some very basic constitution for the city states to follow. kinda like USA government

>>15425180

The Kings were only relevant to Freeside, but I see what you mean - peasant uprising and all.

The Strip had a hell of a lot more muscle though, so they'd be nearly suicidal to try anything.

>>15425170

>>House straight up murders the Kings for no good reason

Only if you get the kings to side with the NCR. If you keep them hostile then they get to stay. The Brotherhood stuff was a decision made to give the player any reason not to side with House as he was too easy/obvious a choice otherwise. There's a dummied out diplomacy option for keeping the Brotherhood around in the code, but it fucks up the ending.

>>15425154

Democracy does not provide strong leadership. A 'democratic' government cannot function without representatives and/or slow votes for decisions. A fascist government can make and enforce decisions quickly and without resistance.

Giving the option to choose against the truth results in some people believing lies. This progresses until people have become subverted, which is apparent today.

House is the best long-term solution for the Mojave, NCR is the best short-tern solution for the Mojave, but Yes Man is my personal favourite option because the struggle of the wasteland is what makes the world so worthwhile.

Has anyone else here played the someguy2000 questlines? I thought they were actually alright. I couldn't help but picture the author as the crying Wojak face when Marko got bopped and the writer kept trying to make Marko seem like a big man who managed to get the upper hand even in death.

Now I'm gonna start the A World Of Pain stuff.

any anons have that Screencap where some NO MUTANTS ALLOWED user talks about what is it like living in Caesar's Territory?

>>15425217

>He's avatarfagging with Umaru

Mark?

>It adds context

Yeah, context which directly supports what my point is.

>Never did it,

Screaming 'strawman' at everything is a strawman within itself.

>On the contrary, it was a good plan

"Eroded trust" is extremely vague and undefinable when compared to the simple fact that they showed their entire hand of metaphorical cards and got more enemy troops stationed everywhere making all other raids and attacks harder.

>>15425215

>Giving the option to choose against the truth results in some people believing lies. This progresses until people have become subverted, which is apparent today.

except if you actually looked at reality it becomes pretty apparent it is REALLY hard for a fascist government to believe truth in every aspect of reality and there's always something they do wrong and impose that wrongness in the whole nation, which is catastrophic (see Hitler's military incompetence, socialist economic incompetence, communism's social and economic incompetence, and North Korea's social, economic, military and overall incompetence), in contrast with democracy, where widespread but not enforced idiocy is mostly harmless (see flatearthers)

>>15425223

>House is the best long-term solution for the Mojave, NCR is the best short-tern solution for the Mojave, but Yes Man is my personal favourite option because the struggle of the wasteland is what makes the world so worthwhile.

I do not share this opinion but I agree with it very much.

Just installed bounties 1/2 so I'm also interested in an answer.

>I couldn't help but picture the author as the crying Wojak face when Marko got bopped and the writer kept trying to make Marko seem like a big man who managed to get the upper hand even in death.

what? context?

>>15425239

Hitler should not have overriden his military officers' suggestions. I agree that fascist governments can be wrong, but democracies, with their current level of technology, can be subverted easily. 'Widespread but not enfored idiocy' is widespread in democracies. Examples are opinions on gun control, homosexuals, the mentally ill, immigration, and the tolerance of subhumans.

>>15425279

>Hitler should not have overriden his military officers' suggestions

Which is exactly my point, if you give someone absolute power they're gonna fuck up sooner or later and while it is true that change in a democracy is slow and unreliable, at least it is theoretically possible

If any of those are really wrong change through a democratic process is at least theoretically possible, unlike a fascist one personally I think having any opinion on gun control is ill advised because too few neutral studies on it's effects have been made, faggots are mostly harmless, if by the mentally ill you mean xhe trannies then I also believe self destruction is a constitutional right, and the tolerance of subhumans is just /pol/ memes, there are no subhumans, only inferior cultures. let's keep it at that though before the thread descends into /pol/ shit

>>15425305

Alright not gonna read that, actually I didn't even know there was a bounties 3, is the bounties series self contained or do I have to play the entire SomeGuy series to get the full story?

>>15425170

>This is a bit off topic but anyone got a VorpX copy they can upload somewhere? I'm not paying 40 usd to try something that might not even work

bumping this

>>15425301

>And what was your point

That they dispose of experienced and fanatically loyal commanders over one fuckup.

>you seem to like strawmanning

Strawman.

>Not really. It's a basic concept.

No shit it's a basic concept you braindamaged chimpanzee, but slightly eroded trust means nothing compared to the very real and quantifiable strategic changed the NCR makes in response.

>They didn't show any of their cards

They showed their ability to penetrate past the river. That's a deck of cards by itself.

>n game events contradict your statement

In game events explicitly state that they're bringing in as many troops as possible to the front. In game events also state that the Brotherhood chapter was so retardedly outnumbered by the NCR that they lost the majority of their manpower.

>wo pics is not avatarfagging

Give it up Mark, as soon as you admit you are who you are I automatically win.

>>15425318

The Bounties series is self-contained, but it does include some references to other someguy quests, and you can get special dialogue options depending on what other quests you've started/completed. You can also get special dialogue options depending on vanilla content, like things you've done, perks you have, etc.

It actually takes advantage of them in ways the main game never did. When someone asks if you're tough enough to take on some outlaw and you can respond with "I walked into Caesar's Fort and killed him in front of his guards", or you can say you have the fastest hands in the west if you have the Quick Draw perk, it has a bit more impact than just saying "Yeah."

New Vegas Bounties has two sequels but they're mutually exclusive. Bounties 2 is the "good ending" sequel and New Vegas Killer is the "bad ending" sequel. Install them both and you'll know which ending you get when it happens. Bounties 3 is a direct sequel to Bounties 2 but you can actually start it before finishing Bounties 2 (which does create some awkward moments where people talk about some guy you killed despite the fact you never met him) but it might be necessary because Bounties 2 has a bad glitch where trying to enter a certain building causes everything to turn into a singularity. It fixes itself eventually but if it's frustrating trying to get it to unfuck itself, just go straight into Bounties 3.

>>15425318

I believe that homosexual marriage and other public displays should not be allowed. I also believe that people should not be allowed to harm themselves. The encouragement of both homosexuality and 'transsexuals' have become a pathway to other changes such as pedophilia and the belief that 'transsexuals' are their desired and not biological sex.

Even though wer may disagree on these subjects, their acceptance displays how democracies can become subverted.

The Someguy series contains content that is referenced in the Bounties series and vice versa, so they are best experienced together.

>>15425344

>that second image

top fucking kek

Is there even a coherent theory about what the guys in 4 were trying to do? replace humanity with synths?

>>15425382

“The betterment of humanity” aka “we couldn’t think of an interesting motive for our generic villains, buy our mods.”

>>15425394

yeah I understand the canon explanation makes no sense but is there even a single working theory of what they are trying to do?

>>15425466

Based on the fact that they were making synthetic plants and synthetic animals alongside their fake humans, I got the vibe their plan was to just build a giant fake ecosystem and pretend that's fixing anything.

>>15425318

Just like communism is theoretically possible amirite

>There are no subhumans, only inferior cultures

Yeah genetics are a /pol/ meme, I agree, we shouldn't discuss IQ either, right /trannypol/?

>>15425170

>Subvert the BoS before nuking them

Honestly I don't think there's any way to redeem the BoS, as far as making them good guys instead of high-tech bandits goes. If they survive, their only purpose, at least for the Mojave chapter, is guarding a couple of main roads, but they steal any valuable goods off of caravans. The alternative to BoS security is just hiring mercenaries like every trader already does, and the relatively slight overhead of a couple hired guards is much smaller than losing thousands of caps to a BoS confiscation. Nuking them was always the way to go.

>>15424242

NCR is just a bunch of SJWs. Fuck NCR.

>>15425554

At the very least we could let Veronica hand pick people to let them survive, Sodom and Gomorrah style.

>>15425525

lower IQ people can have superior cultures.

white IQ is lower than asian IQ

>>15424941

>Also the fact that they wanted to fully annex new vegas and not make somesort of puppet state or satellite state like they did in Fallout 2 is stupid

They're divided about that. And since they're still fighting the BoS, most of the heavy gear is absent (when the general visit he comes with a vertibird and his guards have power armor).

IIRC there was a mention that the NCR winning (and they did won the previous war with the legion) is actually exacerbating the corrupt power structure of the NCR, annexing the Mojave over-extant the NCR way too much.

So NCR is probably the worst choice since annexing the Mojave might actually lead to the whole NCR to collapse.

>>15425573

I agree anon, Black "culture" has nothing to do with genetics. It's just because of reasons. Genetics are bullshit and completely separate from culture afterall, and no authoritarian or fascist nation has ever changed in any way.

Jesus, I can't even guess at how hard it must be for you to get out of bed if you're this retarded.

>>15424345

>NCR is as bad as the modern U.S.

So the NCR is the best government on earth?

>>15425609

It sucks when you have a 10GB meme folder with nothing but hashes as names… so… ImageForAnts.jpeg

>>15425672

Dont you have some shithole country to die in for your masters at tel aviv?

>>15425751

Don't you have some shithole country to be killed by americans in?

For me its House>Legion>NCR>Yes Meme

Everyone know why House but for the Legion is because of Ceaser's plan. He didn't plan for the Legion to exist as its own body, after overtaking the NCR he planned a merge between it and the Legion effectively forcing all tribals under the legion to integrate or get fucked to the new stronger society. The Legion is cartooneshly evil though. NCR are there because of their sheer incompetence and corruption. Basically the Legion was suppose to be the thing to get their shit together. Yes Man is direction less and it lives and dies by the courier.

>>15425573

>Yes Man is direction less and it lives and dies by the courier.

>Implying this is a bad thing

The Courier is the single most destructive and capable force in the entire wasteland, and a far more capable leader than the romaboo with a brain tumor or the ancient cripple who can't even keep watch over his own securitrons.

Any other leader would be worthless in comparison.

>>15426424

The courier has no interest in governing. Infact, he packs his things and leaves the mojave in anarchy.

That's why yes man is a non-ending. The mojave stays the way you find it, and that means it is still an easy prey for both ncr and caesar.

Yesman is a gimmick put there so you can't fuck up your playthrough and it's not to be considered an actual ending.

>>15426468

Objectively incorrect. The courier ensures New Vegas's superiority and independence and that neither the Legion or the NCR are able to fuck with it.

Yes-man's ending is not a non-ending, it is the best ending, both from a player's perspective and an objective one. As the most intelligent, well-read, well-spoken, and dangerous man in the wasteland, the Courier is the ideal leader.

Further, it is the best from a player's perspective because all of your efforts, trials, and tribulations bear the fruit you wanted them to, and the results are left solely in your hands. House, the NCR, and Caesar's legion endings owe everything solely to the courier, with their own input being practically null and void since the Courier could probably wipe out all three of them with nothing but a couple stimpaks and a war club.

And after years of the Courier's perfect rule over the Mojave, whose to say that a robot like Yes man can't figure out how he ticks and begin to emulate that behaviour almost perfectly? The only hope of nigh-eternal stability and fully realized leadership is only present if the Courier is the one who runs the show, and that is more than the other factions could even hope to have in their wildest dreams.

>>15424314

>implying legion has anything of what made the roman empire what it was

Its an unorganized mob of barbarians cosplaying as romans while detroying everything that could improve the mojave without building anything, mongolians tier.

>>15425558

How the fuck is the NCR sjws you fuck?

Real life california is not the same a a post nuclear californian republic in a world where the 50s never ended.

>>15425882

>Sorry if you didn't rike it, I was trying to make it better. Thanks for the OC. Here's the original.

I deliberately removed the top line because it sounded stupid. I didn't include President Eden because it was redundant and it ruins the punchline. However, you did fix the grammar in the FO4 one. What I did was just a low effort OC so no biggie. The edit that I liked was the one declared House to be an exception and relabeled the innocents to "necessary sacrifices".

>>15424492

That last point is really just MUH TRIBAL PURITY CAESAR WOULDN'T LET ME FUCK MY MOTHER

Caesar forcing intermixing among tribes is basically what every civilisation did in it's early period to establish itself as a Nation rather than a tribe.

Fucking Rome was founded by stealing women and cucking an entire town of betamales

>>15425038

What fucking accident can happen to the Courier that could kill him? After campaign and all DLCs there's barely anything that can hurt him.

>>15425135

First steam engine is older than that. Ancient steam punk never ever.

>>15425163

But they don't have wealth or weapons either

Legion troops don't have sufficient armor or firearms to deal with a few guys with power armor and lasers, as seen in Enclave ending with Lanius where 4 or so elderly waste something like a whole battalion while fleeing

If the brotherhood really wanted the dam, they could take it from the legion. All they'd need to do is send in a force bigger than the Mojave branch. They could just walk in and those faggots with skirts and rusty knives couldn't do shit

>>15425344

ED-E's got a nice body.

>>15426803

Hardly, given that tribes wouldn't have the same genetics barring niggers and such living in Murka before the nuclear winter

While most nations didn't force intermixing, it happened naturally soon enough once they were a nation rather than a bunch of tribes living on the same land. The difference is that Jews bring niggers from half the world away instead of similar people from close by, and that results usually in outbreeding depression and all manner of abominations.

>>15428514

*wouldn't have overly-distant genetics

>>15426759

>he's never played fallout 1

Aradesh ain't white and Shady Sands is the Multi-Culti paradise. The whole '50's thing was emphasized post-Bethesda. Before, you got things like Tactics and BoS for a reason.

>>15426577

>>15426579

In a sense, starting over from the very beginning when the basis for modern society has been eradicated sounds like a good plan, but that kind of thinking has to evolve at some point. It seems to me like Obsidian were planning to maybe implement something akin to this kind of philosophy for Legion, with the downside that their immediate society would be ruthless and uncompromising.

There is the fact that NCR and House existed and they built functioning societies nonetheless, and they worked without having to descend to tribalism or bare-faced ruthlesness. The NCR had to win back lands little-by-little, much like the Legion. They went through the exact same struggle as Legion did. Legion seems to be a good idea, since they are still in their formation period. The NCR also seemed like a good idea during their own formation period in FO2.

The NCR is technically a working and humane societal system, even with it's flaws. The Legion would nonetheless meet their own problems, like all societies do when their formative years end and the stability of their society would be tested. The Legion would have eventually come to the same stagnating state as the NCR, but with a good amount of technological and philosophical shortcomings, when that kind of knowledge was already readily available to NCR. A good society needs to emphasize humanity, technology, healthcare and justice, and NCR already does that more or less. The Legion on the other hand would have to make some radical changes when the looting, raping and LARPing lose their functions. The NCR already have a good basis for society and are most likely to rebuild a functioning and humane society. The risk with Legion seems to be that they won't bother evolving from those Roman ideals, because they are at the very center of what it means to be Legion. I think that those Roman ideals are also a subtle hint from Obsidian with what to eventually expect from Legion

Thinking long-term, NCR as a society would outlast Legion.

>>15424221

None of the choices will last long enough to make a difference. NCR is just pre-war America all over again, and if you wanna know the true fate of democracy, look out the windows as House put it so simply. The Legion is also another human experiment that has already been tried and failed. Yes Man is an unstable choice as it leaves control to an unstable AI, and House, again autocracy is another human experiment that has already been tried and failed.

>>15425120

>Then what is the implication? That seems to be what everyone reads into it– Yes Man reprogramming himself to be more 'assertive' is kind of ominous!

>That he will not just roll over for the next person to walk up to him in the Courier's absence. I.e. he will become a somewhat-independent steward instead of a powerful tool for any random person to use for nefarious purposes.

>meet Yes Man in Benny's suite

>find out he will obey what anybody says to him

>leave for the Fort to get the chip and install it at the weather station

>came back to Vegas, check Benny's suite, Yes Man's gone

>find this robot that will never lie and will answer anybody's questions and obey anybody's orders standing right outside the Casino's entrance, in full view of every tourist, NCR soldier, Securitron and Three Families thug

>I didn't side with him so he spent the rest of the game there

>>15428623

I fail to see how that makes it SJW, people from shadysands were vaultdwellers that got out at an appropiate time.

>>15428722

Ceasar's plan is to conquer the NCR and create a synthesis of both cultures. This is explained in his dialogue.

just because we moved to other systems it doesnt mean what we had before failed

you fucking culture warrior

>>15428824

Upgraded Yesman ending

>The Courier, with the aid of Yes Man, drove both the Legion and the NCR from Hoover Dam, securing New Vegas' independence from both factions. With Mr. House out of the picture, part of the Securitron army was diverted to The Strip to keep order. Any chaos on the streets was ended, quickly. Chaos became uncertainty, then acceptance, with minimal loss of life. New Vegas assumed its position as an independent power in the Mojave

All the other endings have the NCR or Legion killing a bunch of people, but establishing some kind of stability. Mr House only really keeps the place running as a dinky casino so he can keep living his pre-war fantasy while changing nothing.

>>15427077

Legionnaire patrols are known for killing entire super mutant patrols by themselves. They can probably handle a bunch of dopey BOS paladindus.

>>15429614

I was born with that

>tfw no VorpX crack

help

>>15429591

are you playing with Jsawyer's mod? it's got a bunch of difficulty tweaks and extra options for hardcore mode.

>>15429612

Meant to back that up with a video. "Battle cattle" refers to legionnaires.

pardon me while I post cp

Caesar. Anyone who says anything else is a faggot

>>15425305

When you put it that way you make it sound like overhyped trash. Is Bounties that or is Marko just the Gary-Stu turd in the punch bowl?

>>15429798

Legion is gay, you know, right?

>>15428842

The vault was a made as an experiment in multi-culturalism. It produces two of the most long lasting groups; Great Khans and NCR. There's also the whole female "president" thing.

>>15425751

Better than living in one like you

>>15430213

>Vault 15 was a multicultural experiment

>People from all over the world were put into Vault 15, speaking different languages and having all different cultures

>It unsurprisingly ended in a race war

Did Interplay unintentionally slip a redpill in Fallout 1?

i liked and hated the legion because of the quests. it's really a travesty that more wasn't done with them. there was so much potential with the sleeper cell and espionage angle and we only got a small taste of it. i felt unfulfilled and wanting more

>>15430335

Except it didn't. It split into the violent groups and the peaceful group. The violent group being the drug abusing mongolian LARPers, and the Vipers and Jackals, and the peaceful group adopting the Buddhist/Hindu religion, hence why all the cows are called Brahmin. If it's a redpill on multi-culti, the conclusion is tainted by multi-culti.

>>15429983

It may not be the best writing in the world but other NV quest mods are even worse. Someguy series is servicable at best and it stands out precisely because everything else is even more shit. Not to mention without jsawyer ultimate to balance it all out weapons, armor and equipment found in his mods are usually overpowered as fuck.

>>15425038

The Courier can punch Deathclaws to death (pun not intended). Yes Man would have to drop a mountain on him or engineer the annihilation of Big MT to take him down.

>>15430444

>the conclusion is tainted by multi-culti.

The conclusion is the redpill not the writer's intent, all those cultures homogenized into 4 separate groups being an amalgam of white washed factoids of those cultures then split off as soon as the enclosed environment they were trapped in opened up. All of that happened in 2-2.5 generations depending on if you go for 25 years or 20 years as the measurement. 2 more generations and there wouldn't have been any splitoff they would have fully homogenized into one group in the vault.

In fact the 3 groups that would become raiders were so similar to each other before they left they didn't truly come into their own until after they left the vault.

>>15425339

>Give it up Mark, as soon as you admit you are who you are I automatically win.

Trying to use a persona to discredit and disregard an argument? What is this, a fucking forum?

>>15428722

In general a very good post, but I take issue with the following:

>There is the fact that NCR and House existed and they built functioning societies nonetheless, and they worked without having to descend to tribalism or bare-faced ruthlesness.

The societies built around the NCR and House are radically different from the Legion in the sense that they are wholly reliant on a few individuals and always will be. Ironically enough the game portrays Caesar's Legion as a cult of personality based around Caesar, but the truth of the matter is that Caesar has given his followers the ability to survive and function on their own, he has trained their minds and bodies and should he fall - he would be able to be replaced relatively easily, though likely with much bloodshed. This seems disastrous initially but it is integral for the advancement of society as a whole; the Legion would be on a steady ladder of progression which would, hopefully, outlast our own civilisation. Contrast this with the huge populations of sheep (or vermin) that the NCR and House deal with; sure there are a few members who are worth something, but the vast majority are not and will never be. They are not being uplifted; they are instead dependent on others and on technology that they themselves do not understand. If the NCR outlasts the Legion then it does so to the overall detriment of humanity; because the individual humans that make up the majority of their population will forever be cogs in the machine with no ability to forge their own destiny. The Legion, on the other hand, is ultimately creating Men with the power to make their own fate and who are not beholden to a comparatively supreme power that requires its followers obeisance for it to provide them with (very limited and often completely absent) benefits like protection, technology and medicine.

>>15430554

The citizens of NCR and Vegas are absolutely not sheep as you call them. The fact that they are dependent on each other for goods and services the nature of an advanced capitalist society. The Legion on the other hand is still a hunter gather society, albeit one pressed into a highly regimented slave army. They do not have agriculture and have to supply themselves through foraging, just as they did when they were tribals. They have no leisure and no culture aside from what Caesar picks from his old books. Their fearlessness and occasional ability to defeat technologically superior opponents are virtuous by themselves but they don't make the violent and miserable life in the Legion more moral then the free and productive citizens of Vegas and NCR.

>>15430657

>If those were bad enough to prevent a system from succeeding, then pretty much every democratic system in our world would have failed

Do you actually read what you say before you hit the post button?

>>15430949

The NCR doesn't seem notably more corrupt than a lot of western democracies and democracies don't collapse very often. What's the issue?

>>15430825

Doesn't seem to align with how they are represented in the game, nor with how their ideological parallels in real life act. The vast majority of people in a democratic society are no longer able to fend or provide for themselves; in the game the vast majority of people say they joined the NCR because of what it could provide for them; be it protection, food, trade or anything. They are not able to survive on their own without the protection of another. You talk about offering goods and services to one-another as if it is advanced; in reality there is such a disconnect between the people today and our ancestors in the past who decided to divide themselves and provide different conveniences that I see it as an evil to compare the two. People today do not have the luxury of specialising; they have no skills or talents or anything worth-while to give except for a very select few who bear the burden of all society. So it is in the NCR.

The Legion is made to do everything themselves. They are forced to reconnect with the world, to re-discover what is necessary for survival; and due to this they will adapt and find new methods and technologies appropriate to the new, post-apocalyptic world that they are inhabit. Trying to continue the 'old ways' which are completely misunderstood is a fool's errand and destined for failure; and if it does manage to endure, it will only do so with the vast majority of the populace living as sheep who are dependent upon the few (which is what the West, for the most part, is today). There will be no advancement for such a society, only stagnation or death - and should they die they will either end up as drug-abusing bandit filth, or else discover a functional society in the vein of the Legion.

But the Legion are already at that point. The Legion are advancing and there is hope for them.

>>15430968

>Democracies don't collapse very often

Yes they do. Austria, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Ecuador, Estonia, Fiji, Gambia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Italy, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Pakistan, Peru, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Uruguay, Venezuela. In the last hundred years these countries democratic systems experienced a complete collapse, often within decades or less of having adopted the democratic process in the first place. Out of any political system, the democratic one is the least stable, the most corruptible, and the least efficient while still managing to teem with useless parasitism called "bureaucracy". The NCR's system differs from the modern democratic government in that they use violence far more readily and act less as a proper government and more as moralizing bandits, providing little protection or aid to their subjects while demanding their produce and lives so that they can continue staying in power. The instability and weaknesses are still the same, and this is proven once they came into contact with Caesar's Legion they've been having extreme difficulty dealing with the Legion, who are truly nothing greater than a rabble of tribals being led by a few extremely skilled and brutal men, to the point where the majority of the NCRs manpower is concentrated in the Mojave.

As Caesar himself points out, they're nothing more than a corrupt bunch of holdovers from the old world that are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, and their greatest accomplishments and expansions were made under Tandi, who was a dictator in every way except name alone. After her time was done, the weak took over and the system began to rot.

>>15431079

99% of dictatorship experienced downfalls also, including all but two monarchies and even then - monarchs are only symbolic. Worse track record than democracy.

>>15431110

I honestly wish to know which are these dictatorships.

>>15431057

>The Legion is made to do everything themselves.

That's basically the point. Behind all the ornaments they're still a primitive group of hunter-gatherers. They have no agriculture and have to support themselves through scavenging and violence. Their existence is made worse by their restricted lives. It is not more moral or uplifted than what they were before. Caesar has vague plans to change this, but ironically he will soon die without complex medical intervention. After that, he will be replaced by whoever has the greatest capacity for violence and cruelty, since that's the type of person his system promotes.

The Mojave citizens, despite crime and hardship, are productive in agriculture and enterprise and more importantly have some humanity and happiness in their lives. They are able to live as nomadic hunter gatherers like the the Legion, . but this is ultimately unimportant since the lifestyle is largely miserable and short, all romantic images notwithstanding. We see that they are not stagnating or degenerating, except for some squatters in Vegas. Bandits in the fallout lore are tribals who refused to join the more advanced societies and are more like the Legion than any other faction.

>>15431153

Many of the same countries on that list, actually.

>>15431194

they are unable*

Jesus Christ feel like everyone is ignoring this.

>>15431153

Good luck with that. "Muh 99%" is bullshit that retards who don't understand what a system collapse is spout. They'll sing the praises of Democratic systems that haven't even lasted a century before experiencing utter failure under the collective weight of their own ineptitudes and corruption, and balk at governments which managed to stay securely in place for centuries even with all the difficulties and tribulations of the primitive world assaulting them each and every day.

>>15431194

>The legion has no agriculture

Blatantly false. There is no insight given into how the Legion's ordinary citizens manage and provide for themselves, but the Legion itself has no trouble utilizing the husbandry of animals, and it stands to reason that they understand and use agriculture as well.

>and have to support themselves through scavenging and violence

Also untrue. It is stated in the game that the lives of the citizens in the Legion's territory are largely boring and safe thanks to the extreme pressure put on any would-be raiders or bandits by the legion itself.

>We see that they are not stagnating or degenerating, except for some squatters in Vegas

This is also untrue. Most of the families in the strip are completely degenerating, the white glove society in particular. Considering that they're all caught between the NCR and the Legion and the only ones making any attempt at resisting being taken over by foreigners, really, are the Kings and House, both of whom are incapable and failures, I'd say they're indeed stagnate as well. In the end, the families of New Vegas are tribals like those conquered by Caesar. The only difference is that they have suits, and rather than having been conquered by another, they merely parasite off someone more successful than themselves.

>>15431110

Monarchism was the primary mode of government, and the most stable civilizations which ever graced the earth were, unsurprisingly, cut from that same cloth, with such a list being completely dominated by Kingdoms and Empires which cared not for democracy. Democracy's "track record" is barely lasting for a hundred years before experiencing repeated collapse and failure, with the systems having resulted in completely dissatisfied populations that are currently being genocided by foreigners. Find me any monarch who would even try to replace his own with foreigners, and I'll find you 20 Democracies that are doing the same even today.

>>15431261

Ah, a fellow Monarchist, a rare kind of enlightened individuals on the whole site stopping by on /v/ of all boards.

Just dropping by to greet and tip my hat to you.

Blessings to you, and praises be to the King.

>>15424221

>Which group is best for the Mojave?

You. Take command of House's robot army and rule New Vegas with an velvet fist.

>>15424240

>According to bethesda the whole war in mojave was work of aliens

yes, but where are those broofs?

>>15431310

If I may deliver an answer in place of my fellow monarchist:

Breed a better king through other Houses in the aristocracy, and ensure that they're getting access to lifelong education for leadership properly.

A bad king is never worse than a decadent democracy, and the impacts of the former likely last less longer than the latter, anyhow.

serious question (assuming this is still a FC general)

FC4 Far Harbor

I was given to understand that if I tell DiMA in the dialogue tree that I had no intention of using the nuke against the CoA nor of using the kill switch against the town, I wouldn't be forced to.

So, why won't the mission "Cleansing the Land" disappear from my quest list?

>>15431328

UGH

*FO not FC … fug …

>>15431194

How can you advance when you do not understand what you already possess? How can you innovate when you rely on others to do everything for you?

As said there are some worthy people in the NCR, but at the end of the day they end up serving the others and bearing all the burdens; the rest simply leech of them, and should they fall everyone will suffer as no one will be able to replace them. It's the culture that is at fault, the idea of trying to reclaim something that is lost and not truly understood. The only ending is either collapse that will eventually become something (at best) reminiscent of the Legion. In that sense the Legion are already ahead of them, and they have geared themselves to survive and prosper in a harsh new world. Their laws are rigid and enforced with much viciousness to maintain purity. It is something that has already differentiated them from mere bandits and drug-abusers. They are stripped of technology and given only the most basic of equipment to force them to innovate; this encourages them to understand their environment and adapt to it, to create tools that are suited to it and that are useful within it.

>>15431310

Bad Kings are killed. Good Kings either seize control due to their superiority or are voted in due to their wisdom and diplomatic ability. The Monarchic Dynasty then is encouraged to maintain stability and prosperity (and not engage in all consuming wars like every democracy and republic does) because it sustains their position of privilege as the common man for the most part desires very little besides the basics to survive and prosper.

>>15425344

>that second pic

hilarious. Well done.

>>15424381

>based

Fugging based!

>t. boomer

>>15431599

English not your first language?

>>15431261

>>15431337

Monarchy is reliant on the inertia of nobility (which can be pretty big), while king also chooses who's a noble and who's not. This means that nobility will reflect kings in the long run, mainly because it's the king who chooses nobility and he will most likely choose people like him. Little consolation is that, in the long run, inept and stupid nobles ought to lose power and perhaps status.

>Bad Kings are killed.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA! No, they are not, unless you intend to delegitimise monarchy entirely. It's a signal that it's ok to kill kings, why not just do it every time you don't like the current one? You can send faulty kings away or strip them of power, but you do not kill them, unless they committed crime so heinous that nobody doubts the kingslayer in his decision.

>>15431325

The funny thing about bad monarchs is that there's a chance the king will be bad, while with democracy you're 100% guaranteed it'll turn mediocre (and mediocre is not enough to rule a state).

>>15431729

>please ignore all the wars that resulted from people not liking their current king

>>15431682

Knowing how to speak English is no excuse to type like a faggot.

>not being an NCR black ops agent and assassinating Mr house and ceasar

>not securing alliances to secure the interests of the NCR

>>15425750

>nothing but hashes as names

Save As all images with the (u) instead and it will save as a unix timestamp which is a readable number.

You just confirmed you came here after Codemonkey became admin, he changed it to the new format. Yes most people from around then know about it because the change broke the site and required a fix so nobody has an excuse to not know about it.

>>15431729

>Monarchy is reliant on the inertia of nobility

This isn't really true, it's more reliant on hereditary lines than anything else.

>while king also chooses who's a noble and who's not

Wut? The King's absolute authority means he could do this in theory in most cases but that isn't what happens.

>Little consolation is that, in the long run, inept and stupid nobles ought to lose power and perhaps status.

They usually do, since being inept and stupid will get you cucked.

>AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA! No, they are not

You're right anon, angrily laughing in text proves this to be true. Besides, we've allheard of those terrible kings who lived so long like Caligula and Nero, who certainly didn't die at a young age since they were incompetent retards at all.

>It's a signal that it's ok to kill kings

Incorrect. It is a signal that it is okay to get rid of incompetent rulers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, and the competitive nature of both proving oneself to be a good ruler, lest you suffer betrayal from disgruntled and angry subjects, while having the motivation to secure ones own livelihood as well as your family's is a strong one. It has resulted in many competent and powerful Kings. The same can be said of many dictators who were motivated by an undying love for their own people. And if you ask me I'd rather have a dictator whose sole drive was serving the state and making sure his nation was prosperous, but those sorts of people are rare

>You can send faulty kings away or strip them of power, but you do not kill them, unless they committed crime so heinous that nobody doubts the kingslayer in his decision.

Sure you do. There is no chance of nobody ever not doubting someone who toppled the current regime for a lack of competency, but such things happened anyways and worked reasonably well. When the current regime is incompetent, it is in the bests interests of everyone that they be removed from power. Merely murdering a king because 'I didn't like him' is hardly strong enough reason for anyone but the insane to risk life and limb to try and murder one.

>>15431223

Me too anon, me too.

How do I stop my saves from corrupting on F1?

I downloaded that big ass mod that has a bunch of patches and added contentet, but after some time playing it won't ley me save anymore.

>>15424616

What was the image. The post no linger exists

>>15429623

> "Battle cattle" refers to legionnaires.

I feel so fucking stupid, but in my defense, on a nearby Novac farm, a nightkin was killing actual Brahmin because he was hearing Brahmin mooing in his sleep that kept him awake. I assumed it was some mass delusion shit.

>>15425223

His new Vegas bounties series was honestly amazing. The objectives were a bit generic at times but the overarching plot touched me so deeply and allowed me to immerse myself so far that I buried Randall's gun with him in his grave after I finally killed Marko, because it felt too heavy in my hand after everything that happened, despite Randall specifically requesting the PC not to do that and to use it to bring justice to the frontier.

And then when I came back to the mojave I went up to the new vegas steel and dumped Marko's cursed revolver into the vat of molten metal to make sure his legacy stays dead and forgotten. Call me a fag if you want, but the writing was that good. He can do comedy pretty well too.

>>15431776

So you're a glow in the dark CIA nigger?

>>15433734

>glow in the dark NCR nigger

ftfy

>>15431261

monarchists get the rope too you fucking peasant. you advocate for monarchy yet the current problems of today's government is because too much power is in the hands of a few select elites. your solution to the problem is… adding more of the same problem?

>Monarchism was the primary mode of government, and the most stable civilizations

objectively wrong. the two most notable civilizations in yurop's history was greece, a democracy and rome, a republic. after the greatest civilizations fell the barbarian peasants reverted to monarchies

>>15434706

>the current problems of today's government is because too much power is in the hands of a few select international jewish families who want to eradicate white people because they hate their host nation's people, culture, language and hertiage?

This is why we need a nationalistic rule.

>>15434706

>the two most notable civilizations in yurop's history was greece, a democracy and rome, a republic

They're most notable for the decadence and incompetence dominating the populace after practicing democracy.

>>15434737

He doesn't necessarily refer only to Jews. To be fair, there are some incompetent leaders with overwhelming executive power within some government who deserve to be replaced with better people e.g. Idi Amin and the current South Africa leader.

Come on, anon.

And no, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with nationalistic rule.

>>15432973

that voice acting is painful to listen to

>>15431223

In another story the Enclave would have been the good guys. That's what made the original two fallout games so good.

Chosen One never destroyed the Enclave. He rescued his people, took his geck and blew up the Oil Rig. Most of the Enclave were on the mainland when the explosion occurred.

A friend and me were talking about starting the Enclave in Fallout 76 to grief and raid people whiles restoring America.

>>15424923

>I wonder if you know you're in engaging in marxist theory or if it's just been ingrained into you since childhood.

Well he's espousing traditionalism that only existed after the 12 century because it was ingrain in him since childhood, so would it be all surprisingly he was doing it with another?

>>15434706

>Monarchists get the rope too

I'm not a Monarchist, but I see the idea of an actually effective government has somebody pissed off.

>yet the current problems of today's government is because too much power is in the hands of a few select elites

Incorrect. The problem is that the elites are permanently in their positions, safely supporting eachother while fooling the populations of their respective nations by giving them the guise of freedom under Democracy, by making them believe they have any power or choice, when this is not true at all, and in addition, these elites are strictly non-loyal, self serving, and often foreign ones who care nothing for the nations they piggy-back off of. This is the natural product of such a system you see in modern countries.

>your solution to the problem is

Gas the fucking kikes and send the foreigners back home, either voluntarily or through bodybags. You will not achieve this with a weak government, and it is the only solution to the deep, deep problems that are now present in western society.

>objectively wrong.

Nope. The majority of governments throughout European History have been strictly monarchist. More accurately, they have all been authoritarian to a great degree.

> the two most notable civilizations in yurop's history was greece, a democracy

Greece was not a democracy. Some city states had adopted constitutions and democracies which, for the most part, required all citizens to be armed and trained, prevented the voting of much of the subjects of the city state, and handed all power to older males. This is not a 'Democracy' as it is called today. Other city states were Monarchies, or Oligarchies, both of which are strictly authoritarian. You also had tyrannical governments which were ruled by men who had seized power through unlawful means, but I don't consider that to be comparable.

>and rome, a republic

Rome was, for the vast majority of its existence, an Empire, and it began its existence as a Monarchy. As a Republic, which is not at all like any republic we have ever seen since and should, quite honestly, be classified as its own entirely unique system, the voting power belonged to the elites, and to a lesser extent the citizens. The vast majority of romans and roman subjects had no true say in such matters of politics, unlike with a modern republic such as the USA. Likewise, the Roman Republic's greatest conquests and feats were often headed by single, driven men who had seized power. Cicero, when he was given complete and total power over the Senate. Caesar, when he had been off to conquer Gaul under his own rule and directions, and later Caesar who had transformed the weak and corrupt republic into an Empire that stood for over 900 years before they atlast fell after being beset by enemies on all sides and in every direction.

It was the fall of the great Roman Empire which led to the proper creation, not 'Reversion' to Feudalism, not Monarchism, which had been their ruling form of government for hundreds of years before the fall of the Empire.

FUN FACTS

>Courier is depicted as negroid only in NCR ending slides

>for all Courier's accomplishments for NCR he gets rewarded with a golden branch medal, a figurative fucking twig

for comparison's sake

>Legion mints courier's face on their national currency

>House gives courier all the luxury and comfort he can ever desire

>Yes Man gives courier ancap memes

>>15424941

> why the hell they didnt rolled in cars and brought heavy firepower into new vegas?

>No gasoline or powercells

>They lost spectacularly war with brotherhoodrats of steal who also irradiated their gold reserves making the money worthless fiat toilet paper,

>Peace treaty with BoS stripped them of all advanced tech

nigger gangs rove around california brutalizing and raping everything, but at least there are taxes and sensible gun control (^:

>They have demographic problems so bad, they need to draft women who mostly get raped or murdered making demographics even worse,

>incompetence and nepotism in every aspect of political and military life

>not enough troops to secure mainland NCR, secure mojave & hoover dam, and beat Legion, in fact they don't have troops for any of those 3

>>15425170

>House straight up murders the Kings for no good reason

Only when you make Kings seek a truce with NCR, otherwise he lets them have freeside.

>and doesn't even let you try to subvert the BoS before nuking them.

They're too much of niggers to be subverted, literally powerarmored goons that "we wuz us guvmint and shieeeet" while murdering people for having a plasma glock for self defense.

>>15428623

>>15428842

>Shady Sands is the Multi-Culti paradise

Shady sands was built by a mystery meat 56%-er from Vault 15, the other thing vault 15 dwellers created were three of the most savage and brutal gangs after the war.

>>15435714

> why the hell they didnt rolled in cars and brought heavy firepower into new vegas?

>No gasoline or powercells

>They lost spectacularly war with brotherhoodrats of steal who also irradiated their gold reserves making the money worthless fiat toilet paper,

>Peace treaty with BoS stripped them of all advanced tech

>nigger gangs rove around california brutalizing and raping everything, but at least there are taxes and sensible gun control (^:

>They have demographic problems so bad, they need to draft women who mostly get raped or murdered making demographics even worse,

>incompetence and nepotism in every aspect of political and military life

>not enough troops to secure mainland NCR, secure mojave & hoover dam, and beat Legion, in fact they don't have troops for any of those 3

[Citation needed]

>>15434696

Source?

>>15435880

Mizugi de Obenkyou | Swimsuit Study! by Fuyuno Mikan

So what mods would anons recommend? I ask every thread.

>>15436042 Mean to >>15435990

tranks for the source, dude.

>>15424221

You all are a bunch of cucks. If you fight for the Mojave, why wouldn't you be the one most fit to rule it? Especially if you cheat and you turn yourself into a living god.

>>15436250

Rulers are a target. I'd much rather be a shadow ruler. That, or take caps and run.

nm I just want to take Dala's brain and install it into a suitable body and live happily with her ever after.

>>15436250

Because my courier doesnt care about ruling, he just wants to get paid for a jobwell done and move on.

>>15436268

>>15436302

I just don't see it appealing being just a minion of a faction much inferior in power than you. If House was so clever he wouldn't let Benny shoot you and unleash such a beast into the Mojave.

>>15436329

Because why rule when you can just retire to some comfy place to live off the gains with hookers and blow?

>>15436382

Because the waste is full of dust and hookers with radioactive enharced STDs. Ruling can secure you some nice spot instead of searching for another habitable spot for vacations.

>>15436393

More like

>If your enemy fails to kill you, he loses, badly

>>15424240

wait what

>>15424381

they were rushed thanks to bethesda so they became the de facto retard option.

>>15431255

People seem to ignore the actual purpose of the Legion, which could make them justifiable.

>>15431255

I liken the NCR and Legion to the good-times-bad-times loop.

Bad people make bad times.

Bad times make good people.

Good people make good times.

Good times make bad people.

The world of Fallout as it exists is a perpetual state of bad people and bad times. People are out for themselves and the world suffers as a result of selfishness and a lack of cooperation, forced or otherwise.

The NCR effectively wants to ignore the bad times, institutionalizing itself as good people making good times. Unfortunately that jump isn't possible, so the NCR's highest positions are bad people, and the good times they spread aren't really good at all and can result in bad times being even worse.

The Legion, on the other hand, embraces the bad times. However, they make the people strong. Self-sufficient. Most importantly, they have the people working together towards common goals, effectively creating good times. This is why Legion territory is peaceful and well-managed without threat of raiders, because the people behind it are capable and willing whereas the people of the NCR are capable but unwilling. The difference between good people and bad people.

The biggest problem with the Legion is their military stance. Copying the Romans is actually a genius decision. The Romans are a well-catalogued people who would thrive given the same equipment that the legion has access to. The problem here lies in that the NCR has guns, and guns completely revolutionized warfare and made all forms of combat before them (including the Romans) obsolete.

Mind you, this is a universe where you can wrap some tape around your fists and punch a robot until it explodes, so applying real-world logic to it is only viable to an extent. Still, this is a pretty good explanation for why the Legion suffers in regards to its popularity as a viable option for the wasteland. I know that some legionnaires use guns, but refusing to properly arm the lowest tiers of the military is nothing more than an effective way to funnel yourself into being picked off and eventually slaughtered.

>>15425223

>A World Of Pain

I wish there was a AWOP version that just added the new content and not the bullet sponge level 30 bandits in the starting area shit.

>>15431599

>probably a man

Anon there is no probably about it.

>>15431255

Legionfags wouldn't shut up about it. People are forgetting that this isn't different from the pre-war conflict what is worse is neither sides are above using nukes. After Caesar dies, the world would remain fractured as ever. Look at all of the different sects of Muslims fighting each other after Mohammed died.

>>15426803

Actually, the Caliphate hardly bred with any people they conquered, as they saw them as inferior beings, the Spanish were forced into Islam, their idea of unity.

>>15438583

even with soy the whites are still better than the browns

>>15425751

>>15424345

>Another person butthurt over the best country that has ever existed

>>15438632

When the FONV fan remake is done.

>>15438008

>>15425223

I tried World of Pain and it seemed like tryhard edgy bullshit that had you rely on luck for anything.

>>15443336

He was right though, romance in games is for cucks and deter from the game most of the time.

>>15443352

More like it's always half baked and "oh, you gave me two gifts and a favor, I love you for ever".

I just got to the part where you can fuck the Vault 21 manager and it feels really forced, all you did was give her 30 vault suits, I thought I would have to help her with her fobias but apparently not.

Same for most waifu mods, Vanessa's introduction was so bad, "Hello, you want to be my companion?" "Yes but bring me Vodka(2) Whiskey(3) and Wine(2)"

Willow was more developed but was somehow even worse. "Bring me things that give me love points slave, and don't make me mad or I'll disappear from your game forever" I uninstalled both and kept Delilah, she was better written but her voice acting was so muffled I decided to put a space helmet on her so she wouldn't sound horribly out of place she breaks the game if you use her services however.

>>15425214

>>not the fact that he didn't care for the common man

which literally everyone who isnt from reddit fucking despises with passion

>>15437994

the horse made iron age warfare obsolete you know-nothing faggot, how the fuck do you skip military history from 750 AD to the 1300s

>>15444499

>not negotiating a truce between the brotherhood and ncr

>>15424345

>House is the best for humanity in the big picture.

He's too much of a narcissist to be trusted, and his planning skills leave a lot to be desired: look at how pitiful his defense against an hostile player is, the man actually thinks a handful of bots and a couple mid tier terminals are enough to stop a man that bulldozed his way through the wasteland.

>>15424381

Bringing a sword to a gun fight is inherently retarded.

On a meta level, because they were clearly designed to be yet another enemy and not an actual serious presence in the Mojave, just look at the map: they even placed the fort in a separate worldspace, and their other important location is locked behind the final quest to prevent you from killing the big baddy too soon.

>>15424428

>And the scary part is that they are a better option than the petty tribal bullshit in the post nuclear wastes.

Even the pettiest raider group has realized everyone of theirs needs a firearm.

If the legion was to win, they would be annihilated the second a half competent Enclave team decided to go after them, let's not even talk about Boomers and anyone else with any form of air superiority.

>>15424476

I wish the conflict in NV was more of a cold war, with things getting progressively more heated as the player does his thing.

Giving the legion more settlements without reworking the story only means more generic enemy spawn points.

>>15424965

>What good would some unhinged AI with access to a robot army do to the Mojave?

Ideally, create something new.

It's been centuries since the bombs, and humans are barely carrying on: they prey on old world spoils, but they build little on their own and they can't even clear out the rubble in their homes.

>>15425016

>Not at all. Their decision is tactically sound. They have a lot of children, they make a lot of kids.

Driving away potential allies and your own population is not a tactically sound decision.

>His fuckup was astronomical, there's no diminishing that.

That's what demotions are for.

Killing highly valuable personnel at the first fuckup scares away potentially valuable individuals.

>House wantonly pushed out innocents from his city for not "joining" him, despite never owning the territory

House de facto owns the Strip, given his military is the strongest in the area.

>You were outright engaging in strawmanning, a popular sjw tactic as well as critical theory, a founding sjw theory.

Imagine being this bad at formal logic.

>which was why the legion was kicking the ncrs ass.

The legion is almost pushed off the game map and it's the group that requires the most help getting rid of potential rivals (the ncr can strike a deal w the brotherhood), wouldn't call that winning.

>>15425120

>no true fascism

>problems don't exist if I assume them away

>>15425279

> I agree that fascist governments can be wrong, but democracies, with their current level of technology, can be subverted easily.

At then end of the day, democracies throw out the government often and peacefully, so it takes some serious bad luck or malicious influence to fuck up in the same direction for a long time.

For a fascist government, all it takes is a single government that is bad at a single thing (for example demographic planning) to risk destruction, because you're getting 20+ years of the same mistakes in a row.

>>15425382

>>15425466

They're basically Wakanda, but in fallout.

Their entire in-game motivation is a vague "muh greater good", if you want to speculate you could say they plan on popularizing cybernetics given the whole synth deal, or as

>>15425497

says the whole thing is just a desperate attempt at building a little corner of heaven.

>>15425554

The BoS is the only faction in the whole wasteland that has a chance at rebuilding decent tech.

>>15431057

>The vast majority of people in a democratic society are no longer able to fend or provide for themselves;

That applies to any sufficiently complex society, not just democracies.

It's impossible for most individual to be decent farmers, woodcutters, tailors, warriors, medics, and so on, you need specialization to deal with an ever increasing amount of knowledge.

>>15445294

Man up and play vanilla.

>>15445361

i'd probably still enjoy it but honestly i've played it to death

>>15445310

>On a meta level, because they were clearly designed to be yet another enemy and not an actual serious presence in the Mojave

What the fuck are you on about? They were going to flesh them out even more. In a universe where you need to dump a magazine of 5.56 into someone to kill them, being able to fight in melee makes sense. The rest of what you said just seems like you're incredibly assblasted about the Legion even existing and ignoring how the world works.

>At then end of the day, democracies throw out the government often and peacefully

What? They almost never 'throw out the government'. Democracies are one of the most static and slow to change forms of governance there is.

>For a fascist government, all it takes is a single government that is bad at a single thing (for example demographic planning) to risk destruction, because you're getting 20+ years of the same mistakes in a row.

There are no historical examples of this nor does this make any sense in a theoretical aspect. Are you some leftist faggot who thinks being right wing automatically makes you a retard who can't recognize problems? Because there's no reason you'd repeat the same mistake over and over again, especially with a government system that was literally born from a political system made to deal with serious problems effectively and quickly when it was necessary.

>The BoS is the only faction in the whole wasteland that has a chance at rebuilding decent tech.

Not really. They've had a long, long time to get their shit together and create a coherent society that would actually get shit done, but they got utterly decimated by the NCR, of all factions, and forced back into their cucksheds that they call "bunkers". They dominate things in terms of technology, but for no reason other than hoarding it wherever they can, and this has so far been ineffective.

>That applies to any sufficiently complex society, not just democracies.

Not really. It is entirely possible to be self sufficient and to provide for yourself in a complex society, but it is democracies which provide the system and environment that allows this behavior to fall out of practice and for people to become increasingly dependent on the state for everything.

>>15445310

In defense of House, had you not been an unfeeling, unflinching ubermensch that the abstraction of vidya lets you be, the group of bots in his penthouse are overkill.

>>15445310

>He's too much of a narcissist to be trusted, and his planning skills leave a lot to be desired: look at how pitiful his defense against an hostile player is, the man actually thinks a handful of bots and a couple mid tier terminals are enough to stop a man that bulldozed his way through the wasteland.

You forget that the player is basically god. Technically the Courier could just up and wipe out every faction since they're a max SPECIAL cyborg that survived the Divide, broke into and out of the Sierra Madre, and fought off an army for some mormon. Nobody could stand up against such a mad, robot fucking, unstoppable, overwhelming killing machine.

As for House, he has 200 years of experience as well as the relentless autism that only an ancap could achieve.

>>15447187

>They were going to flesh them out even more.

If they had been given more time.

But that did not happen, so the devs went for plan B and wrote the legion as C-tier villains.

>In a universe where you need to dump a magazine of 5.56 into someone to kill them, being able to fight in melee makes sense.

If you're using low DPS weapons without support perks and adequate skills, sure.

But at any point you can easily down the legion hitmen in way less than a mag, and even the AI manages to do that.

>What? They almost never 'throw out the government'.

What are elections? What arer term limits?

>There are no historical examples of this nor does this make any sense in a theoretical aspect.

WW2.

>Are you some leftist faggot who thinks being right wing automatically makes you a retard who can't recognize problems?

Implying left wing authoritatirans don't fail for the same reasons.

>Because there's no reason you'd repeat the same mistake over and over again

That's backwards logic and how you end up chucking spears at machine guns for the rest of your existence.

>They dominate things in terms of technology, but for no reason other than hoarding it wherever they can, and this has so far been ineffective.

Sure, it's a faint hope, but they are still one of the best options for the long term, together with the dude from Dead Money.

>It is entirely possible to be self sufficient and to provide for yourself in a complex society

For a bare-bones idea of self-sufficiency and at a great efficiency cost.

There's a reason everyone now has professional soldiers instead of drafting peasants only when at war, and that reason is the incredible efficienct of specialization.

>>15447565

>>15447560

>had you not been an unfeeling, unflinching ubermensch

>You forget that the player is basically god.

But House knows that, he wouldn't ally with you if you weren't an extraordinary individual capable of overcoming the odds.

And yet he chooses to protect himself behind just the right amount of challenge to tempt you, without any clever plan to test your loyalty before letting you so close, and without any backup or dead man's switch to strike back.

>>15449384

>If they had been given more time.

Yes, and this completely demolishes your meta-level bullshit.

>But at any point you can easily down the legion hitmen in way less than a mag, and even the AI manages to do that.

What are you on, fucking easy difficulty? Get that pussy shit out of here.

>What are elections? What arer term limits?

You think Elections are 'throwing out' the government? What the fuck are you smoking?

>WW2.

Ah yes, WW2 lasted 20 years where they made the same mistake repeatedly.

>Implying left wing authoritatirans don't fail for the same reasons.

They usually fail due to an implosion from internal infighting and splintering ideologies and constantly needing to purge themselves of wrongthink, as well as their ideological goals being impossible to implement.

>That's backwards logic and how you end up chucking spears at machine guns for the rest of your existence.

There's nothing backwards at all. You don't often find people repeating a mistake unless they're retarded, even commies don't make the exact same mistake within the same state. Across separate states, yes, but Mao didn't order people to meltdown their tools into pig iron twice.

>Sure, it's a faint hope, but they are still one of the best options for the long term, together with the dude from Dead Money.

I disagree, as stated. They've had 200 years to do something and they've done fuck all, and got obliterated by the NCR. They're a foot in the grave and with no way out.

There's also the issue that Elijah is fucking dead.

>For a bare-bones idea of self-sufficiency and at a great efficiency cost.

Not really. It's not at all hard to make it a point of education to teach people how to provide for themselves and be independent.

>There's a reason everyone now has professional soldiers instead of drafting peasants only when at war, and that reason is the incredible efficienct of specialization.

No, that's mostly to do with the fact that governments can afford to do this. The Romans were doing it long before serf drafts were a thing. It also has nothing to do with what you're saying. Do you think soldiers can't be self sufficient and able to provide for themselves?

>>15449510

>Yes, and this completely demolishes your meta-level bullshit.

What is is not the same thing as what could have been.

The legion could have been an interesting faction, but it's not.

>What are you on, fucking easy difficulty? Get that pussy shit out of here.

No, that's called "using the superior 5mm caliber against high DR opponents".

It's an advanced strat, the only harder ones are aiming for the head and positioning out of melee range when fighting guys with swords.

Truly the pinnacle of tactical plays, those techniques will help you best the fearsome opponents that get confused everytime you jump off a rock.

>>15449533

>What is is not the same thing as what could have been.

That has nothing to do with it. The intention was never for the Legion to just be 'Another enemy' and not 'A serious presence in the mojave'. Time constraints did not allow them to be fleshed out, they did not change their entire background or anything of the sort.

>The legion could have been an interesting faction, but it's not.

Objectively untrue. They could have had far more to them, but what is there is fairly decent in and of itself.

>No, that's called "using the superior 5mm caliber against high DR opponents".

Using uncommon weapons against basic legionnaires that NPCs don't have? Gee, it's almost like what you said was just bullshit.

>>15449384

No really. The way house is killed is absurd, from start to finish. He controls all terminals in the casino. He controls the elevators. Even if you dealt with that many securitrons (that once upgraded are thougher than somebody with power armor and gatling gun), the courier shouldn't have been able to do shit.

But that is what obsidian wanted. You see, house is the devs choice. They could have easly found a believable way to kill house, afterall they did just that with all other bosses and factions, even the demons.

But they didn't want you to kill house.

And so the way you deal with him is thrown out there.

>>15449560

>The intention was never for the Legion to just be 'Another enemy' and not 'A serious presence in the mojave'.

Towards the end, the intention was exactly that.

The background was mostly cut or never finished, look at the quest count for them ffs.

>Objectively untrue.

That's not what objectively means.

>Using uncommon weapons against basic legionnaires that NPCs don't have?

Implying the assault carbine is uncommon, and implying the 5mm isn't one of the most common calibers in the entire wasteland.

It's also in the AI leveled lists for the NCR rangers and even for the legionary assassins!

I know these are advanced tactics, but they're not so difficult to understand.

>>15449601

>Towards the end, the intention was exactly that.

Proofs?

>The background was mostly cut or never finished, look at the quest count for them ffs.

I agree it was mostly unfinished. This has nothing to do with the intention being that nobody take the legion seriously or that they be "Just another enemy". The fact that you can side with them at all is rather indicative of this being false.

>That's not what objectively means.

Are you going to argue that it's merely your opinion now that the legion is uninteresting? Because I don't care for just your opinion.

>Implying the assault carbine is uncommon, and implying the 5mm isn't one of the most common calibers in the entire wasteland.

Considering it's something that, in the NCR, only veteran rangers and legionary assassins have, yeah, it's fairly fucking uncommon. Do you not understand what that means?

Yes man only, im the motherfucker who can kill everything. One man weapon. The harbringer of destruction, i can go kill whole legion or shitty ncr if i please and destroy anything that dares to oppose me.

Don't be a pussy, dominate everything and let it die when you get bored of it. Fuck new vegas - rule it with iron fist and only relinquish the ruling after someone stronger beats you or you die. Law of the strong motherfuckers. Fucking house cucks everywhere

>>15445310

>planning skills leave a lot to be desired

You're talking about the man who knew roughly when the nuclear exchanges would start, when to put himself on ice, and had the foresight to shoot down most of the nukes headed for the Vegas area

>>15449620

>almost a dozen guaranteed drops plus several guarenteed sales is "uncommon"

Git gud

>This question

>230 posts, all over 400 words long written by pure autists with extremely well thought out opinions of the plot of FNV

Jesus Christ this has to be the best bait I have ever seen, period

>>15449684

>H-heh so what if only NCR veterans and trained assassins in the legion have them

>Obviously that's common

Amazing that out of all the possible things you could've continued to argue on, your only fallback is claiming that weapons only veterans and assassins get are clearly the most common and can be found everywhere.

>>15424941

The NCR has all of that in New Vegas, but it's blown up or crippled before the game starts. Case in point: the Powder Gangers rebelling and blowing up the bridge over Crescent Canyon, causing the NCR's primary supply line (trains) to be totally unusable. This causes the NCR to abandon their positions around the train line, which cut off Sloan, Vault 3, and the house full of NCR troopers outside Vegas. House couldn't do anything because the Fiends still inhabited the railyard west of Vegas, and then the deathclaws moved in.

Also you can see the heavy firepower if you're high level which will cause most random NCR troopers to spawn as power armor units with miniguns, missile launchers, or sniper rifles. Same for the Vertibird that lands during Kimball's visit.

>>15449733

Nigger there is a dozen guaranteed drops besides AI leveled lists, git gud.

>>15449786

Well, they are an oppressive technocracy in that they carelessly oppress everyone else and their own apostates, and they use synths for "slave" labor since apparently synths are people more than they are advanced toasters.

Their depiction in f4 is still laughably bad, the only thing they do better than the legion is that they actually have a significant amount of content.

>>15450129

>But muh drops

I don't care about those. Of the NCR and the Legion, only NCR Veterans and the Legion Assassins are equipped with them, and even then, it's not something they all have. You were saying that it made 'no sense' for the Legionary to be armed to fight mostly in melee since they could be gunned down very quickly with such weaponry, but that's retarded since such weaponry is rare and not something the average recruit will have to deal with. Ergo, you're a fucking retard.

>>15450186

>I don't care about those.

>"I don't care about scavenging in a post-apocalyptic game"

Git gud.

>>15450192

We're not discussing scavenging or anything of the sort, what are you on about you barely lucid retard?

>>15449644

You should try doing a Legion playthrough sometime. I think you'd like it.

>>15450212

SInce apparently your reading comprehension is nigger tier, the entire point you're ignoring is that there are at minimum a dozen assault carabines to scavenge around the wasteland, and a few more for sale.

Those are guaranteed drops, so they will always be found there regardless of luck or RNG (unlike most drops in the game).

Learn to read or kys.

I probably know the answer already, but have modders done anything yet to make fallout 4 playable. Fallout 3 and New Vegas's engine instability is the only thing keeping me from playing for 6-8 hours straight. Even on vanilla.

>>15450366

>SInce apparently your reading comprehension is nigger tier, the entire point you're ignoring is that there are at minimum a dozen assault carabines to scavenge around the wasteland, and a few more for sale.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. This is true, I accept it, and I don't care because it's irrelevant.

>Those are guaranteed drops, so they will always be found there regardless of luck or RNG (unlike most drops in the game).

See the above.

>>15450386

>engine instability

I haven't had more than a handful of lockups after installing new vegas anti crash and stutter remover, you have that installed do you?

On the topic of FO4, I haven't heard anything interesting, the game seems to be much less mod friendly.

>>15459334

>caravan shotgun doesn't have the screw

That was my favorite thing about it, though. What's next? Fixing the sights on the Survivalist's Rifle?

>>15459800

That would be

ILLEGAL

My dear goyim. Have to revoice EVERY CHARACTER in NV mod by yourself, or get sued.

>>15459800

1. it's illegal to redistribute the audio files

2. the FO4 audio is formatted differently to NV so you can't just slot in the user's audio files like in OpenMW and TTW, someone would have to write a program to do that

some lore-friendly mods i'm using

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/52344/?

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/47676?

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/54609/

what else do you recommend?

>>15459800

It's pretty fucking good for not being the original,they're still looking for voice actors apparently so i imagine they want genuine quality control instead of "whatever gets it done faster"

>>15424941

Fallout 2 is a fucking mess, but that gets overlooked because of the bigger messes Fallout 3 and 4 are.

The Mojave is full of retarded niggers that couldn't form a civilization if they tried. Legion puts an end to their niggershines.

>>15435990

The fix for lever action shotguns so they don't freeze up when reloading is my number one recomendation

>>15459890

Use YUP and Jsawyer Ultimate

>>15424221

Fuck, I just locked myself into the final battle in New Vegas with almost no ammo. Is there a crafting bench in hoover dam at all? I've been picking up loads of scrap metal to make bullets with but so far haven't found a crafting bench! Any help?

>>15484041

On xbox

>>15484060

Well, then you deserve everything bad that happens to you in life.

>>15484077

The Lady Killer perk is a must. You'll need to join The Kings of course.

>>15484135

Right on, consider it done.

>>15484077

Doesn't Dandy have low in-universe charisma, though? I seem to recall that everyone dislikes him.

>>15484240

They way I remember it even though everybody disliked him he was still able smooth talk his way through trouble. I could be wrong though, I haven't watched the show since it first released.

>>15484240

Most everyone acts like they don't give a shit about him but he's too much of a loveable dope so they actually like him. If anything that means his charisma is so high it overcomes how shit all of his other stats are.

>>15484264

>>15484300

Well, regardless of his charisma he should have high agility. The guy runs and dodges a whole lot. Though I have a vague recollection of him being a complete shit shot with his gun.

>>15484320

That's how you should be playing the game normally, CHA is the worst SPECIAL in the game.

>>15484309

>Though I have a vague recollection of him being a complete shit shot with his gun.

Yeah he's completely worthless with his gun, that I do remember. So maybe setting agility to 4 would be the best, what do you think?

>>15484320

>1 CHA

>100 Speech

Is this even possible? If so I'll give it a shot.

I just hated that we could never get House a real body and out of that corroded piece of beef jerky.

>>15484370

Low charisma but high speech, high agility but low gun stats. That affected aim in NV, right? Or was it just damage? I can't remember. High luck because he always manages in the end and mostly through dumb luck. Average or slightly above strength because he's a fairly big guy. Fuckall intelligence.

>>15484409

Fair enough, I'm still missing one starting skill (already chose to go with speech and energy weapons) and one starting trait (wild wasteland is mandatory).

>>15484442

I think the Alien Blaster is more appropriate for Dandy so I'll bite the bullet.

They were all terrible factions and you know it. Psycho ending is the only true ending. Everyone dies.

>>15487405

Go to the Boneyard, go to the part of town that's infested with deathclaws (the warehouse), kill all the deathclaws on the surface, DO NOT go underground, DO NOT kill the deathclaw mother, go Downtown, wait an hour, return to the warehouse and the deathclaws should have respawned. If you kill the deathclaw mother (in the warehouse basement) they will stop respawning. Just keep killing the ones on the surface until you reach the level you want, then go to the basement to kill the mother.

>I've already killed the deathclaw mother

You are shit outta luck, son. Try traveling around Mariposa Base hoping to find mutant patrols as random encounters.

>>15487592

I checked the wiki and apparently the mutant patrols stop spawing if you've destroyed the Mariposa base. So… maybe try to find floaters near The Glow? That'd likely take a LONG time.

>>15487405

>cuckout 1

Why do you torture yourself like that with such a shitty game?

>>15487934

>Reminder the Legion promotes homosexuality

They don't. The male prostitute in West Side even tells you that when he was a centurion's buttboi he was always afraid they'd be found out and crucified.

The Legion does force blanda upping and that's even worse, though.

>>15489055

>>15489144

>blanda upping

What the hell kind of nigger slang is this? Do you mean race mixing?

>>15489230

>What the hell kind of nigger slang is this?

The worst kind. Swedish.

>Do you mean race mixing?

Of course.

>>15489144

They ban people from reproducing with other members of their original tribe in order to make 56%ers (actually 50%ers) who are less likely to identify with the tribe of either of their parents. You just have to hope your daughter doesn't get assigned to a newly integrated legionary from the Ebony Anacondas tribe.