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>>15421904

Pretty much. The only good part of DN3D was the build engine and how it led to the development of Blood 1.

Duke 1 and 2 were bad 2d platformers that 3D realms was shitting out by the dozens back in the day,

>>15421912

>The only good part of DN3D was the build engine and how it led to the development of Blood 1.

I completely agree. The engine is an only good part that came out of this.

>No mentions of possible reboot

Good, nobody deserves it anyway, both fags who would play it and those who would develop it.

>>15421818

Had it took the Doom Eternal approach with a Demolition Man style setting it could have been something but instead we got a mediocre fps trying too hard to stay relevant among superior shooters.

>>15421912

There's a certain appeal to playing a blatant Arnold Schwarzenegger knockoff, who plagiarises quotes from action moves, and has shoot outs in strip clubs and fast food restaurants.

Generally, Duke Nukem as a franchise is nothing incredible though.

its time to chew ass and kick bubblegum

A Duke Nukem game that parodies the current state of the action genre (i.e everything is a no fun gritty reboot, a cinematic universe, or recast with women) could have some potential. That's about the only place to go with the franchise now. Making fun of macho movies from thirty years ago has kind of run it's course.

>>15422032

In my mind, you'd be playing an older Duke, fighting off his various replacements like Megaman bosses.

>Gritty Duke

>Black Duke

>Woman Duke

>Awkward Quips Duke

>Calarts Duke

>CGI Young Duke

>Final Boss: Duke Cinematic Universe. Everything is Duke.

Duke Nukem is the video game franchise equivalent of Sega. Prove me wrong.

>>15421818

>After years of wasted money and fucking around it finally gets released.

>Everybody hates it.

Duke Nukem Forever was an early case of SJW demonization, before anons realized that politics got into gaming. It was bashed for toxic masculinity first, and for bad gaming second.

Don't be ashamed and admit you were too young to realize: it happens. No mediocre game ever got the same bad press as Duke Forever did: it was to celebrate the death of the macho hero.

>>15422049

>Duke Nukem Forever was an early case of SJW demonization

>2011

>early case

which rock were you living under back then?

>>15422049

It was an okay game. But that was the problem, it was just an okay game. If you wanted to play HL2 again, but not as good, and with modern FPS conventions shoehorned in, then it was the game for you.

DNF is still way better than a lot of games that get a pass, to be fair. Bioshock Infinite…

>>15421912

>teen who wasn't born when Duke 3D came out doesn't get why it's celebrated

You retrokids don't get shit about gaming history, because in your head it all happens at the same time. Otherwise you couldn't possibly say with a straight face that Blood succeeded where Duke didn't, since Blood was shunned for a late to the party, stale, derivative Duke knock-off when everybody else had already moved onto Quake.

>>15422058

Blood also isn't as well designed as Duke. It's just cool because horror movies.

>>15422058

>You retrokids don't get shit about gaming history

Just because you couldn't eat anything except frosted feces doesn't make it a tasty dish

>>15422060

>Blood also isn't as well designed as Duke

Blood is both better designed and made than DN3D

>>15422065

>step around a corner and get riddled with hitscan tommy gun fire

>>15422066

Crouching exists for a reason shitter.

>>15422067

Does that do something?

>>15422073

>does reducing your profile make you a harder target

Gee I don't know

>>15422074

Does it?

>>15422058

I'd rather judge these games on their own merit than "in historical context". By your logic, COD is better than Doom because more people overall liked it in its time of release, and were celebrating how it was more realistic than the science fiction plot of HL or the tech-fantasy setting of Doom.

The times you're describing were ones characteristic for their immensely fast technological development where it came to videogames, and it was normal that people were crazy about how new game engines would have polygonal models instead of sprites and so on. Just like today's craze seems to be cinematic experiences.

So I'd rather have someone who has never played these two games play them today and listen to their opinion, because then their opinion won't be skewed by the biases that they already had. If a game can stand on its own, you don't need any historical validation - for example, I first played Super Mario 64 around 4 years ago because, having owned the Playstation back then, I didn't get to play any N64 games. But still I considered it a very fun and engaging game by its own right. In fact, it must have been the most fun game I've played that year.

Back to Douk and Blood, I liked Blood more because of its setting and the music (CD music, not midi versions). I'd say they're very close contenders, although I found Blood to have very interesting pacing, basically with very short but dynamic and intense fights breaking out whenever you enter the next room, and then a bit of silence to let you collect yourself before the next fight.

>>15422077

Hitscan enemies traditionally have bullet spreads so I'd imagine so

>>15422090

Okay. I didn't know that did something. I bet it doesn't make the imps much less annoying.

>>15422092

>I bet it doesn't make the imps much less annoying

What imps?

Have you even played Blood?

>>15422094

The cloaked guys, based on the imps from the Phantasm movies.

>>15422096

>The cloaked guys, based on the imps from the Phantasm movies.

You really shouldn't talk about games you haven't played

>>15422100

>he hasn't seen Phantasm

>>15422101

You certainly haven't

>>15422105

Are we going to argue over whether the brown cloaked figures in Morningside Cemetery are a Phantasm reference now?

>>15422110

>generic cultist which can speak and shoot guns

<this is exactly like the dwarf zombies from Phantasm

What else can I expect from a retard who loves DNF.

>>15422113

It's not a direct adaptation.

>>15422688

The build engine game? Yeah.

The top down game? Absolutely not.

>>15422044

Sega is good and innovated frequently unlike duke or helll, most pc platformers of the time.

>make a duke game

>don't include a jetpack

How do you fuck up this badly?

>>15422777

>make a duke game

>can carry 2 weapons at most

Thanks consoles.

>>15422780

That has nothing to do with consoles and anyone telling you otherwise either doesn't know what a weapon wheel is or is deliberately misleading you to cover their asses.

>>15422785

Explain how a weapon wheel is normal for a pc release.

>>15422812

It's possible for the PC and console versions of games to have different control layouts and HUDs you know.

>>15422817

Yet they didn't in the case of DNF, which we are talking about.

>>15422765

>The top down game

You mean Bombshell? Yeah, I heard it shat the bed, but if at least Ion Maiden is good like you say, I might check it out.

But seriously, a fucking power armor, I bet her personality is bland, too.

>>15422060

Blood was a terrible, edgy game. The only people who tend to be fans of it now are trannies. Seriously, their community and wiki were full of them the last time I checked.

>>15422049

Some of the hate it got was SJW demonization, but it was mostly a crap game. It had crap gun limits, crap gameplay, crap level design, crap puzzle sections, crap platforming sections, crap interactive elements, crap graphics, crap everything, and even some literal crap.

Go play the DNF 2013 mod. Even with that rusty old Build engine, it's much closer to what we were promised back in the 90s!

>https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-forever

>>15422032

I'm so fucking sick of this shit.

WHY DOES EVERY FUCKING CYBERPUNK GAME HAVE TO HAVE A FEMALE PROTAGONIST?!

I thought this was simply a shitty pixel-art, glorified flash-game meme, but recently more upcoming games are doing it. I guess the video from that furfag about the leftist's attempted takeover of the genre was legit.

>>15424640

It had to be a nigger huh.

>>15424826

tl;dr Because it's progressive.

ts;dr Having a hero who's actually a man these days is problematic because that teaches kids how to be men, and men — actual men unpozzed by soy — are anathema to leftism and juden. Being that they are the ones writing games these days because nepotism, this is obviously a rather large problem in vidya.

>>15425037

nice image for ants, contrarian bro

>>15421818

>Spend all the money you made on the series trying to make the hookers take the donkey to the hilt

Fixed that for ya buddy

>>15422042

Funded!

>>15424826

Because cyberpunk was the most pozzed genre from its beginning.

>>15422049

Yeah, DNF as a game wasn't complete shit. It was mediocre, but certainly not terrible. All the game journos seemed to bitch about was "muh soggy knees".

>>15425406

>DNF

>mediocre

No, it was an objectively bad game. It took everything that made generic FPS games shit and piled them on top of each other.

>>15425449

>The communist undertones in that series basically infected the entire genre

what a scattershot mess of a post, all held together with a tagline like it's some sort of commercial. Are you a bot?

>>15425485

Is anything I said wrong? A nation basically formed out of Commiefornia "saved the day" in Stand Alone Complex. The intro to the comics basically has the same gist. Although they kind of redeemed themselves at the end of SAC by spinning it into deepstate CIANiggers being the real bad guys. I also love how you focus on that single part of my post, and ignore the other factual statements.

>>15425524

Is anything you say coherent? Try working on that first.

>>15425556

>While I'm a bit plastered everything I'm saying is correct

Clearly that or you're ESL or mentally deficient.

>Ghost in the Shell had communist undertones

no it didn't

>Masamune Shirow was a fucking buttblasted commie cuck.

lol, even in his latest works he has jabs at commies and foreigners

>There is a segment in burning chrome about an American diplomat's daughter sucking off a Russian diplomat's son in a limo.

ok

>The genre is older than William Gibson and Bruce Sterling.

ok

>Cyberpunk is chiefly about overcoming powerful enigmatic enemies in a nigh hopeless environment in a high-tech low-life setting.

it can be

>posting a tagline again

>What about anything that I'm saying is incoherent?

none of it adds up to be anything meaningful, tie together all these loose meandering thoughts you're spewing in drunken stupor or stop posting

>>15425037

>duke nukem was never good

Duke Nukem II was pretty good.

The best duke nuke game was bulletstorm and the parody cod demo

>>15425571

The anon in >>15425299 stated that Cyberpunk was pozzed from the beginning, I was stating that this was a recent occurrence and not something that was intrinsic to the genre.

>Masamune Shirow isn't a butthurt commie

So are you saying the he had nothing to do with the "Russo-American Alliance" saving the day from the "ebil Imperial America" in Stand Alone Complex?

>>15425616

Huh, so he wasn't involved at all with Stand Alone Complex, still doesn't disprove anything I said. Most normalfags who got into the genre were introduced through Stand Alone Complex, thus the constant use of female protagonists. It caters to a marginal audience that isn't part of the actual audience of the genre. It's the equivalent of Marvel making Captain Marvel a woman to appeal to all 20 females who read comics.

>>15424826

Cyberpunk fucking sucks and always has. It's a genre for nihilistic shitheads. It's in the name too: cyber punk. Punk, as in the dumb assholes that shaved half their hair off and then dyed it stupid colours. Punks, as in the stupid motherfuckers who bought into a subculture which, like every other subculture/"counter"-culture, was corporate conceived, designed and manufactured. Cyberpunk, like most speculative fiction, is utter garbage for people who have no taste and no historical, philosophical, religious or scientific knowledge.

>>15425675

Cyberpunk cultures are about "overcoming powerful engimatic enemies in a nigh hopeless high-tech low-life environment." Corporations only co-opt these movements when they stand to gain from them, as in everything else they co-opt.

>>15425449

>As much as I love it Ghost in the Shell was the beginning of the poz.

That's bullshit.

Cyberpunk was pozzed as fuck from almost the very beginning.

Just look at Neuromancer, it's not like Gibson only just became an SJW in the past few years.

Leftists hate Masamune's works for being "fascist" because of its nationalistic and authoritarian elements.

Are there any actual pro-communist themes that you can think of in any of Masamune's stuff?

>>15425716

I watched SAC before reading the comics, it's been a while since I read the comics, but I seem to remember the first chapter of the comics having the same undertones SAC did, I could be wrong. I don't remember any SJW tones from Neuromancer though. I haven't read the other two books in the trilogy though. >>15425733 (check'd)

The point is the normalfags see it that way. If Stand Alone Complex had never been made do you really think we would be inundated with Cyberpunk media with female protagonists?

>>15425704

>actually defending punk

The whole subculture was defined by a board of directors looking to boost record and merchandise sales among the young, working class audience. It was never, ever about the music: the music sucked ass and continues to suck ass, having never gotten better after the countles hundreds of sub-genres, fusions and mutations that punk rock has went through. It was an image of aimless, and notably angst-laden rebellion that these dumbass teenagers were sold. The image itself was left multi-interpretable: it could have gone the direction of Oi! or RAC, or the way of Crust Punk and Anarcho-Punk. This allowed for rivalries to develop, therefore generating even more revenue as the left and right punks had to of course adorn their Levi's denim jackets with images of Che Guevara, the hammer and sickle, the swastika or Hitler. This is of course very, very simplified: I haven't even covered riot girl trash, the fad/short term business strategy that was gothic rock, and the modern profit-generating powerhouse that is heavy metal music.

>>15425299

Well, the original cyberpunk stories were supposed to be cautionary tales. You weren't supposed to find a world of rampant crime, degeneracy, and social decay attractive.

>>15425420

>way better designs

>a tongue in cheek love letter to the genre, just like Duke himself

<how embarrassing

>>15426296

SJWs complained about that and 3D Realms cucked out to them.

They went from making games featuring the most un-PC characters ever like Duke and Lo Wang, to kissing the ass of landwhales that won't ever buy their games I the first place.

Are we in Hell?

>>15426618

>Are we in Hell?

Anon, you will learn that man will fail you every time. Look to you for the inspiration you want to be.

>>15426618

>the most un-PC characters ever

Pretty sure it was only ever satirical though

>>15426789

Doesn't matter. As long as we can have satire, the SJWs will be laughed at and not allowed to gain a foothold like this, but if they can complain and get things changed, then we're in trouble.

Let's be honest here

Duke Nukem > Doom

>>15429837

Who got the better reboot anon?

>>15429876

I don't remember Duke ever getting rebooted.

>>15429837

When Duke 3d came out several people thought so. Most of magazine reviews were in favour of Duke nukem, it had a really 90 design, a lot of injokes and strange (albeit useless) weapons. Also jetpacks and destructible scenarios.

Playing Duke anyway wasn't like playing doom. It just didn't feel the same. Also since 3d realms never released the code, it didn't spawn as doom did. Everything had a doom port at a point in time. Duke ports? Never heard of them. It was without a doubt, technically superior from a point of view, but not so much on the gameplay side.

Last but not least, it was released in 1996 when doom released in 1993. I'd was already finishing the next level fps with quake, that also came out in 1996. Duke had a brief lifespan. Everyone forgot it when Id built the road to the new technologies.

3d realms tried to innovate, but they had no Carmack. At the time, Id was leading and everyone following. Only 2 years after epic game was able to challenge idtech with unreal engine.

3 years of doom dominance, from 1993 to 1996, is something no one can cancel. Doom was a turning point in pc gaming and will always be remembered. It spawned countless clones, adaptations, built a modding and mapmaking community still active after more than 20 years (this year it will be the 25th doom anniversary). This is a feat unmatched by any game.

>>15430151

Duke has been ported to a fair amount of shit. Playstation, N64, there's a crappy phone version. I'm betting there's a shitload of ports I'm not aware of.

Wow. This looks terrible.

>>15431183

Shit no wonder I don't remember any Duke ports.

>>15434532

He aint eating that ass in a sexual way, faggot

Duke 3D was great and revolutionary. The 2D platformers are irrelevant. Then of course DNF fucked it up. There was never a Duke Nukem franchise, just Duke 3D.

For mods, check out the High Resolution Pack which, among other things, replaces the enemies with 3D models.

>>15431305

they like to say "folks" and "gaslighting" a lot too. actually, using the word "folks" is the best indicator you're dealing with a cuck. it's something they aren't even conscious of

>>15434544

You're the one who mentioned eating ass sexually, you double-faggot.

Besides, regardless of the ass-eating purpose, isn't it better to do it to a female ass?

>>15434552

What about volk?

>>15426677

I suppose you are right. It's true what they say: "Never meet your heroes."

>>15434552

Every time some someone comes out of nowhere to talk down to others while peppering in some lazy "southern speak" like that you can guarantee it's someone trying desperately to fit in like a politician.

>>15434555

trips for iron maiden

>>15443066

They're actually not bad, if a little unconventional. They solidified Duke's character and the general theme of the franchise. A number of them weren't able to avoid censorship, namely Zero Hour because it's an N64 game, but they still got away with some things anyway. I played Zero Hour a lot as a kid.

Also, the N64 port of DN3D is legitimately worth playing as it has a number of differences including different weapons and new levels.

>>15443066

Also I should mention that all of these games play kind of like Tomb Raider clones. They're 3rd person shooters with platforming.

>>15443082

N64 port was the best console port at the time (Even if it was censored.)

>>15422032

>>15422688

literally just commander sheperd mass effect 3

>>15442998

I wish /mu/ wasn't dead so I could tell you that Iron Maiden is shit.

>>15421818

It had decent boss fights you CIA nigger

>>15421818

Don't forget how it was censored by nu-Gearbox in 2 parts. (a 3d rerelease)

Dear fellow anon who is reading this thread,

I would just like to point out to you that ID:26b283 is a retard with retard opinions, and you'd do well to ignore his nonsensical diatribes.

Sincerely, Anonymous

>>15443314

>cyberpunk is nihilist

Jesus Christ, he's almost as bad as the guy in the other thread that said Nietzsche was nihilist.

>>15443314

Maiden fucking sucks. It's pussy rock, just like most heavy metal and all punk rock. Hard psyche and hard prog are better.

>>15443381

It's in the name dumbass. Punks were inherently nihilistic corporate cuckolds.

>>15422765

>The build engine game

It's a nu-retro game made in an old engine.

>"Dude with gun" type enemies

>Levels large for the sake of being large, assets reused all over the place

>Engine can barely handle the levels and effects, heavy framedrops on even high-end systems

>Shitty emotionless oneliners without character

>No items other than medpacks (not that I used them all that much, but they could've just expanded on the idea instead of throwing it away)

It's really generic. Better than DUSK, worse than Amid Evil.

>>15431305

This infographic's really weak, other than 2nd from the right, they're all wearing normal glasses, Helper's don't even have frames.

>>15443412

Right, but porting Duke to a system that just can't handle it at all, and has to basically turn it into Wolfenstein.

>>15444229

It's still impressive that they were even able to get it working on the Genesis without the 32X add-on. That little console was full of surprises!

>>15443397

Cyberpunk is an exploration of a certain kind of nihilism, but you aren't necessarily supposed to identify with it. When you look at the overcrowded, over-polluted, crime ridden hell holes, where people are losing touch with their own humanity, your first response is not supposed to be "I want to live there", even if some people do respond that way, mostly due to a shallow understanding of the genre, based on a cool aesthetic.

>>15422049

>dnf

>mediocre

is this some epic new meme i am not aware of?

>>15444308

That's what it is. It's a completely middle of the road fps, that couldn't stand up to 12 years of hype. It's not actually THAT bad.

>>15444313

Fuck off Randy.

>>15444313

>It's a completely middle of the road fps

Maybe if you have shit taste

Its a fucking awful game

>>15444325

>implying Randy made the game

He just scooped it off the floor. It's better than anything Gearbox has done past Opposing Force.

>>15425420

>a bit embarrassing

"I'M A GOOD ALLY I SWEAR"

>>15443397

>It's in the name dumbass. Punks were inherently nihilistic corporate cuckolds.

Man, you really are a fucking moron, aren't you? I can't help but sit here and just be in awe of how dumb you are. And George Orwell was pro-authoritarian right? It's in the name, that's how he thought 1984 would be. Obviously that's what he wanted to happen!

>>15444333

>past Opposing Force

Nah, the Halo PC port was way better than DNF.

>>15443082

Zero Hour was pretty good, used to rent that from block buster and play it at our buddies house on the weekends back when it came out.

>>15447202

the halo pc port was a disaster at its time, it's only grown into something usable because hardware got a lot better.

>>15453681

Did Duke Nukem have a stroke?

>>15424826

*cough* gay ass sex *cough*

Fun fact: Duke Nukem was shit until 1996.

>>15454731

He's always had that sneer.

>>15457345

>Battleborn shirt

>tranny

Of course, only a mentally ill faggot could enjoy that game.

>>15426677

I want to cry.

>>15443066

Time to Kill had some good multiplayer maps. The controls weren't that great and it was flawed but it was still fun. The graphics look terrible now on a large monitor so a remaster would be nice.. and I'm usually against remasters.

Also eduke32 is a good port and worth checking out.