650567 No.15408789
>alright let's bring back CRPGs
>okay but you gotta make all the writing really boring and unnecessarily long
>deal
8a79b3 No.15408796
>>15408789
Original Sin 2 and Shadowrun Dragonfall were really fucking good, though.
4dcfa4 No.15408803
650567 No.15408804
>>15408796
Yet to try Shadowrun, these two borefests killed any interest I had in playing an rpg for a while
ba35a4 No.15408811
>>15408789
>let's bring back cRPGs
>look! fans gave us a shitload of shekels! we can make any game we want!
>let's make an inferior copy of Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, Fallout et al
>and pozz it up
>and make sure to deliberately alienate white, heterosexual men, our primary demographic
>and fuck up the gameplay with retarded "balancing" mechanics
>why is nobody buying our games?
10301b No.15408820
Yeah Original Sin 1 is a slog but 2 has much better writing
650567 No.15408826
>>15408811
sjw shit is the last of the problems of these trash games
>>15408820
Do I need to finish Os1 to play the sequel?
3cdcc1 No.15408837
cRPGs aren't even good though.
ba35a4 No.15408842
>>15408826
>sjw shit is the last of the problems of these trash games
It's the core issue though, primarily because leftists are incompetent and hire equally incompetent and likeminded fuckwits, but also because letting them run amok poisons the writing. What you end up is a badly written game, with moronic choices (or lack thereof), that is equal parts buggy and horrible to play, simply because the work environment leftists create drives away anyone with talent and ensures internal criticism is suppressed.
Compare the relatively nuanced writing of New Vegas to Pillars of Equality or Tyranny, or the wonderful writing and world-building of PST compared to Torment. Just like injecting Marxism into the economy leads to mass starvation, injecting Marxism into the creative process retards every aspect of a game.
3d88ce No.15408851
>WRPGS
Trash. Codex niggers get out
650567 No.15408862
>>15408842
The team that made New Vegas is just as liberal as the team that made PoE.
I see where you're coming from, and I agree that liberal writers are usually pretty bad, but a writer being liberal doesn't necessarily mean the end product is going to be shit for sure.
316ea7 No.15408881
>>15408796
>dragonfall
You mean Hong Kong.
d86f96 No.15408883
>Divinity Original Sin
>Pillars of Eternity
The first Original Sin game was pretty shitty to be honest. Don't remember what's wrong about Pillars of Eternity aside from the writing, I keep hearing it's trash and I remember a post from a while ago going into detail why it was trash. Didn't screencap it though. Don't know anything about the sequel. I have a pirated copy lying around but haven't bothered to play it yet.
Original Sin 2 is a lot better, though the dialogue is still LOLSORANDUMB tier far too often. Larian has a habit of writing this kind of dialogue unfortunately. Especially for the party members, which is why you go Lone Wolf and torch the fag city that comes later in the game. At least, if what /v/ says is correct about it. Haven't made it that far yet.
On a sidenote, I'd recommend you pirate Underrail. It's the closest thing you'll come to Fallout 1 and 2. It also has an expansion in the works and I do believe they made quite a bit of progress, but who knows when it'll be released
650567 No.15408889
>>15408883
I think I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and play Underrail, I didn't want to play it cause I just couldn't stand ANOTHER generic post apocalypse rpg but there's really nothing else to play
18dee3 No.15408893
>"holy shit we're indie now and we can make our own unique universe"
>it's just Sword Coast D&D again with an even bigger helping of tumblr
ba35a4 No.15408895
>>15408862
>but a writer being liberal doesn't necessarily mean the end product is going to be shit for sure.
It does. Fuck liberals, every last one of them.
d86f96 No.15408957
>>15408889
Just a heads up, if you're gonna play Underrail I recommend you restart the game a few times to figure out what kind of character you want to play. It's easy to make character, realize you fucked up and then have to restart the game. Playing a stealth + sniper is easy mode. Especially if you know what you are doing with the crafting
8a79b3 No.15409101
>>15408804
>Yet to try Shadowrun, these two borefests killed any interest I had in playing an rpg for a while
I honestly don't blame you. DOS1 wasn't bad, but its writing was fuckawful. Felt more like a conceptual work than a game. but completely breaking the game through bullshit that the game allows you to do was pretty fun.
PoE was word salad for the sake of words. Tyranny was just as bad, both were contrived purple-prose garbage.
I definitely do recommend giving DOS2 and Shadowrun a go though. Dragonfall and Hong Kong especially. Returns isn't bad, but fell into the same conceptual traps that DOS1 did.
>>15408881
HK was damn good, but Dragonfall resonated with me far more.
2acdbf No.15409233
>>15408883
>Pillars of eternity
>Boring boring boring
>99% of the NPCs are actually coldsteel the hedgehog SIs from the kickstarter that have absolutely no impact on the story.
>combat sucks
>all the story is told through flashbacks
>story is forgettable, something about an evil druid and some rocks
>bonus dungeon is fucking tiny
059893 No.15409449
>>15408796
>Shadowrun Dragonfall
I haven't played a game that leftist in a long while
dac7d3 No.15409484
>>15409449
You haven't played many games for a long while then. At least in Dragonfall you can tell the anarchists where to shove their pipe bomb.
>But they made fun of muh skinheads.
Everyone except skinheads make fun of skinheads; they exist solely to make anyone even slightly right wing look bad, their chimping out is part of the problem not part of the solution.
059893 No.15409490
>>15408883
OS2 is trash. The combat is literally just ridiculous sponges and shit mechanics (only thing that matters is armor, once that's gone it's just stunlock until death), and the writing is generic at best.
>Haven't made it that far yet.
That explains it. You'll probably see what I mean when you get that far, seeing the sponges quadruple in sponginess and the combat become repetitive as fuck and ridiculously boring.
>Underrail
Now there's a fine suggestion. I'm only waiting for the expansion to come out before giving it another replay.
df4499 No.15409515
>>15408826
>Do I need to finish Os1 to play the sequel?
No, and I even thing DOS2 is a prequel.
059893 No.15409524
>>15409484
>skinhead
>implying
it's an "evil right-wing racist bigot" strawman and you damn well know it. All your options are just different ways of saying "I hate u, now we fight", since you cannot actually NOT be a leftist in this game that wishes to get buttfucked by an orc. There's ridiculous amounts of lgbt-pushing as well as "muh racism" EVERYWHERE. The only thing that fantasy races seem to ever talk about is race-baiting and complaining about "dem evil humies opressin' us". When you FINALLY get to the end and get the possibility to join the villain (who actually makes a lot of sense), the game goes into "fuck you" mode and suddenly tells you that some random thing nobody ever heard of suddenly started happening after you made this choice and essentially the world is over, and basically fuck you. What part of this isn't ridiculously leftist?
e7e21e No.15409791
>>15408789
DOS and its sequel are actually quite light on writing compared to other CRPGs, the entire game is pretty much an excuse for the combat. Have you played anything other than Bioware games?
I agree on Pillars of Eternity though, boring as shit.
67c564 No.15409883
>>15408883
From my experince..it fails to keep your attention. I can't put my finger on it, I think it might be that the setting put me off, but about half way trough the game I just stopped.
It wasn't bad, it was just..missing something.
18dee3 No.15409943
>>15409927
It's less nostalgia trip and more hipster revisionism but same principle I suppose.
d1479d No.15409991
>>15409927
>tfw VtM is so cucked the chances of another good game based on the ip is 0.000001%
223209 No.15410029
>>15408796
Eiger best grill
44db42 No.15411066
Are Arcanum and Planescape worth playing through? I've only recently gotten into this genre, and so far Fallout 1 has been my best experience with it.
18dee3 No.15411084
>>15411066
If you could stomach Fallout then you shouldn't have any problem with either of those two.
44db42 No.15411115
>>15411084
what's wrong with fallout?
18dee3 No.15411119
>>15411115
It's way slower and buggier than the others.
44db42 No.15411135
>>15411119
How? Fallout 2 is an eternal fetch quest, and takes a while to get geared up in, where as with the first game I can just raid Killian's shack and go straight to the necropolis. New Vegas is on the same pace as the first game though.
18dee3 No.15411142
>>15411135
I'm talking about compared to Arcanum and Planetescape.
f4d21c No.15411157
>>15409524
>The only thing that fantasy races seem to ever talk about is race-baiting and complaining about "dem evil humies opressin' us"
thats been a thing for decades, youre only noticing it now because of memes
18dee3 No.15411201
>>15411157
He never said it was a recent thing.
7f129c No.15411216
Why cant they make game based on gameplay instead of story?
>Divinity original sin 2 words words words
>Pillar of eternity words words words i want to suck pii pii words even more words
>Neverwinter Nights words words lmao ur warrior fag? bad times ahead words
Just let me play fucking game if there would be skip all dialogues button in options i would have it perma on in every CRPG ever.
837dfa No.15411249
Speaking of CRPGs, does anyone know if Inquisitor was any good? The screenshots looked nice enough and I really dig the concept, but I've never been big on the genre but I think the concept of being able to torture heretics would be enough of a motivation to really make me want to commit, and if I like the rest of hte gameplay I may actually commit to other games I know are supposed to be good like Arcanum or Planescape
7f129c No.15411256
>>15411249
Why do you want to play old games? Are you boomer? You old shit?
44db42 No.15411276
>>15411216
>why does a role playing game focus on role playing? I don't get it.
7f129c No.15411298
>>15411276
Listen here you little nigger. I really like gameplay of those games i find it attractive to me. I like to read the skill description and then proceed to make insane builds. That's good i like it but then i go to npc and he's like
>howdy nigger you killed those 2 snails i asked you for?
>words words 3 options words words 2 options words words words
>okay nigger bye
>gets 300 exp and 1 gold
Nom im sayin? I dont mind reading boring shit but the guy who gives quests or anyone are just talking shit literally.
>HEY DEM 2 SAILS ABOUT TO FINNA DAB ON DIS VILLAGE GO AND PRESUADE THEM TO STOP AY?
>does it
>AY THANKS FOR HELP LEMME TELL YOU SOME MORE SHIT BECASUE IM NIGGER LMAO BYE WHITE CUCKOLD
Every single CRPG
322275 No.15411347
>>15411276
Are you implying that there is no difference between a good script and a bad script?
9c79d1 No.15411395
>>15411276
I mean, Baldur's Gate, especially Shadow of Amn, managed to do that without requiring you get bored out of your mind.
It's a role playing GAME, the gameplay is an important part as the "role playing".
If you put too much "role playing" you get bored, especially if the role playing is nothing but reading text and picking options.
Baldur's Gate managed to throw a demon that could only defeated by healing it, tricking golems into obeying you, unraveling the plot of a dragon who wanted to take revenge on your adoptive father but by having learned that your adoptive father is dead it decided to do the next best thing and take revenge on you.
Now Divinity OS2?
Sure, it has things like pigs being afflicted by an incurable strain of "being set on fire" and it has a spider thing that wants to kiss you which then causes you to want to kiss a different spider but all those things end up being surrounded by so much text that it becomes a chore to read it all.
0dfe9e No.15411448
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15411066
I recently played through Arcanum and fucking loved it, and I say this as someone who could never get into Fallout. In particular the soundtrack is one of the best I've heard, it really does a great job of setting the tone for the whole game. There's also a ton of shit to discover, in my playthrough I probably didn't see even half of the locations.
73e763 No.15411567
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15411249
I think I'm one of the only people that's played this game. It's actually quite interesting, you solve mystery's and burn heretics. Atmosphere and music are top notch, really fitting of the world. I overlooked it but the combat is bad and it gets ridiculously stupidly hard, you need to fill your inventory with health potions. I got to act 2 and stopped playing, I don't remember why though. If the gameplay was revamped it'd be a really good game. Try it out for yourself.
a08c0a No.15411579
>>15411395
D:OS2? A chore to read? It has voice acting, you ADD-riddled mutt. Read a fucking book.
d7d0f3 No.15411804
>>15411216
So you don't want a CRPG but a Diablo-esque ARPG or a Soulsborne clone? Got it.
cdb824 No.15411815
>>15411804
I think he just wants an entertaining game instead of a "C"rpg (wrpg for pretentious teens)
47be21 No.15412390
>>15411395
>If you put too much "role playing" you get bored, especially if the role playing is nothing but reading text and picking options.
>
>Baldur's Gate managed to throw a demon that could only defeated by healing it, tricking golems into obeying you, unraveling the plot of a dragon who wanted to take revenge on your adoptive father but by having learned that your adoptive father is dead it decided to do the next best thing and take revenge on you.
Aside from healing , all of the rest are text talk options. I'm not sure what you expect.
there are only 2 things you can do in a game to advance - use character abilities (clicking on options) or talking (clicking on text options)
0e1210 No.15412410
>>15409490
I never finished D:OS2 because I kept getting fucked by the final stage of the final boss because I had to fight on two fronts because the rogue was betrayed by the king and wanted revenge, even though he was right all along
c3fbb0 No.15412483
>>15411249
The game came out in 09 lol
73e763 No.15412504
I just started Pillars wanted to see for myself if it's good or not. I got to the city and am wondering if it's worht investing 80+ hours in the game.
<voice acting is bad and a waste of resources
<way too many fucking words, uselss dialogue that adds nothing
<reach out for the soul
I actually looked into it, supposedly it's kickstarter backer stories, that's gotta be a gold mine of cringe
<writing's bad
<companions are some of the worst in any RPG I've played, don't remember a single one
<combat somehow manages to be more slow and boring than BG and IWD
>questlines seem to be actually decent
I can ignore a lot on that list if the games somewhat decent, I've had some fun up until the city but BG and Ice wind dale are much more fun to play, how is that?
650567 No.15412552
>>15412504
A tranny friend of mine and his autistic lgbt friends love it, I think you just need to have the right assburgers to like it
73e763 No.15412560
>>15412552
Wew say no more. Although you might want to rethink your friends.
650567 No.15412565
>>15412560
I use friend in a very loose sense
73e763 No.15412573
>>15412565
Gotcha. Curious to know, co-worker?
f86dd5 No.15412615
>>15410029
That bitch is why I quit the game, or rather how the dialog of the protag was written when conversing with her. I always talk with new party members so when I first got her and talked about her past, she was telling a story where she was being an asshole. I only had three different ways of agreeing with her and one option to say nothing. It was impossible to disagree or even say something neutral. Shadowrun games are shit if you at all care about being respected as a player.
>>15409524
>All your options are just different ways of saying "I hate u, now we fight"
This is the most patronizing and infuriating thing a "roleplaying" game can do to you and Shadowrun does this constantly.
97d03b No.15412672
>>15408881
>Hong Kong
The game where you have such completely unsympathetic or otherwise boring characters, only the guy who dramatically drops a comparison of psychopathy with autism is the best character.
650567 No.15412677
Currently playing Dragonfall, writing isn't as fucking boring but goddamn there's so much of it right off the bat
Why would someone think that doing an intro mission and then 45 minutes of non-voiced dialogue would work
>>15412573
Someone I met in uni
ec4076 No.15412780
>>15411249
Sadly, its not that good. The combat is made of cheese and the interaction with the world is no where near promised. Youre not an Inquisitor from the holy church going after heretics. Youre some random dude getting a badge and go slay the big bad demons.
In every town, which are few, there are 2-3 crimes to solve and those are crystal clear from the beginning but burried under dialog triggers and fetch quests. The world itself is built to industry standard and suffers heavily from being high fantasy.
As it is, its 100% mediocre in every way which is sad as fuck since the potential was amazing. Game would have needed more funds and time, especially for the dialog and story scripts.
8825ee No.15412795
>>15409883
Too little worldbuilding, iow background fluff, in my opinion. And totally forgettable quests that can't manage to involve you on the emotional level.
adb58f No.15412933
>>15412677
I turned out the voiced dialogue just because of this. It's improved the game since you wasn't forced to listen to the melodramatic bitching and screeching.
adb58f No.15412935
>>15412933
I meant turned off*, fuck. Im not even on phone!
d7d0f3 No.15413255
>>15409883
Same. Dunno what is, I don't think it's a bad game or anything but one day I simply stopped playing and never felt compelled to return. Even though I replayed FO1&2 to oblivion I can't get myself to finish Underrail.
3c77fa No.15413291
>>15412795
same reason i dropped wasteland, theoretically good games but i just couldn't get into them
18dee3 No.15413331
>>15412504
> how is that?
Because Tom Sawyer is the definition of no fun allowed. He's essentially the entire Blizzard class balance and bug report team rolled up into one person.
0604d7 No.15413379
>>15408789
>Crpgs
>2 images of shit tier crpgs
Pillars was a garbage game full of boredom and stupid game rules by Sawyer.
The devs of Divinity seem utterly incapable of making a serious story or decently done charactes, which ruined an otherwise fun game and made their previous games virtually unplayable.
875587 No.15413990
>>15411216
Switch to adventure/action games
d7d0f3 No.15414019
>>15411815
>classic rpg's appeal mostly to older gamers that grew up with BG & IWD
>some retarded 21 yo calls them teens
Don't worry, you still have until 25 before your brain stops developing. Hopefully one day you'll look back and think "man, I did say some embarrasing things when I was a kid".
47be21 No.15414025
>>15413255
Could i be that we're just getting old?
I'm finishing less games now than before.
d7d0f3 No.15414046
>>15414025
Nah, I still complete new games and replay autistic stuff, although I have less tolerance towards unnecesary padding. I heard the devs added some convenient stuff like a map. Probably should check out it one of these days, maybe I'll regain my interest.